[News] 'Everything On The Table' With Potential Salary-Cap Casualties

[purpledown]

And Ladarius Webb can go to. I don't care what his "cap hit" is.

agreed , the secondary is not as good as people try to make it out to be.Even with a healthy Jimmy Smith.

[TheConquerorWorm]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

3 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Surprised that Mike Wallace ($5.75 million savings), Ben Watson ($3 million) & Shareece Wright ($ 2.6 million) were not mentioned.

Left up to me, I cut

Wallace
Watson
Wright
Zuttah
Arrington
Dumerville
Lewis

Take that $23 million in cap space and resign BWill ($6-7 million) & Wagner ($5-6 million) and then sign a quality FA WR that can run routes and catch the ball like Garcon or Britt ($7-$8 million).

Restructure Pitta & Webb and sign CB Prince Akumara ($8 million)

Use your 1st Round pick on one of the top CB or DE Solomon Davis or WR Corey Davis.

Use your 2nd Round Pick on whichever top CB falls in the 2nd Round - King/Lewis/White or WR JuJu.

Use your 3rd Round on S Budda Baker or S Marcus Williams.

Rest of the picks use to upgrade C, RB, G, future QB.
 

Your math is a bit off. You wouldn't be able to sign all those players AND still have money left over to sign your draft picks.

Also not very easy to restructure Pitta's deal, given we just did that and his number will be even higher with more guarantees next season, since he achieved the incentives we asked him to take a paycut for.

Not to mention that you likely wouldn't be able to retain Williams or Wagner at those prices. Would need to be higher. Wagner's range is close to that, but I don't think you'll sign Williams for $6-7M a year.

I find this sort of ironic, since I believe you were the guy saying that he was going to sign for like Malik Jackson money at one point, which of course is way off also.

I said if he wants Malik Jackson money, then let him walk. $7 million would make him the highest paid NT in the NFL. $6 million would put Wagner into the Top 10 of RT and $5 million puts him into the Top 15. That's where I think he slots. Now any team can throw a bunch of money at BWill. Nobody thought KO would get Top 10 LT money either.

My math is right. The Ravens still will have salary cap space not counting the $23 million they save from those cuts. The rookie cap (the total amount the rookies count towards the cap) for the 16th pick is about $6.6 million for all draft picks. They also get to carry over the $2.5 million left over from this year. Those signings plus the rookies = $35 million. Minus the $23 million from the cuts and minus the $2.5 carryover, that means the Ravens need roughly $9.5 million in space not including the restructures of Pitta & Webb. I agree the restructure of Pitta could be dicey but Webb should knock off another $ 2-3 million. The cap is also expected to rise $13-15 million next year which should be more than enough to cover any RFA tenders and paybacks.

Edited January 6 by TheConquerorWorm

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Its just SAD they are willing to make the tough decisions when it's dealing with players who actually count against the cap but not coaches where there is absolutely no penalty for getting rid of them.

Edited January 6 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[GregRaven]

After the terrible coaching decisions this season and the vanilla play calling it is difficult to get excited about next year with this same staff. With predicted Free Agent loses we will probably be 8-8 again (at best). Major changes coming across the board in 2018. I hate to admit it, but the Steelers are better for a reason.

[whobilly]

What a coincidence. We are drafting #16 in 2017 and 2018.

[The Beak]

Webb needs to go, Wright needs to go, but the first release we need is Harbaugh and staff- until this is fixed it doesn't matter what our roster looks like...

[bigcatfrank1]

  4 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

While those do play a big part, the other part of the equation is what kinda depth do you have at the position. It's easy to look at Doom and say we will save $6 million. And yes, we have Judon/Z'Darius that can take his place (even though the jury is still out on if they will ever be on Doom's level). But the real question is, what do you do when Judon and/or Suggs gets hurt? $6 million is not enough to bring on a quality pass rusher in FA. That means you're drafting someone. So, with Doom gone, Judon or Suggs hurt, you're relying on a rookie to save your season (no pass rush = no play-offs). Suddenly, that $6 million doesn't look so good. Look at Boldin. At the time, we had an emerging #1 in Torrey, a stud pass catching TE in Pitta, so paying Boldin a bloated contract was not cap friendly, ergo the pay cut refusal and the trade. That one backfired. We all know that quality pass rushers are one of the hardest things to get in the NFL. Doom, while not exactly young and not exactly free from injury is still a pretty darn good pass rusher in spurts. That's useful.

And when Doom gets hurt (which he did) or doesn't come back from an Achilles tear well (which he hasn't so far), you're in the exact same boat, except with $6M in cap space less.

And $4-5M may be enough to get a replacement level player with less injury concerns, though I agree you're going to the draft for that. 

Any way you look at it, you're banking on young players. Even if Doom is back, if he's your best pass rusher and is playing anything more than a complimentary role, you're got big problems regardless. Judon will need to stop up, Correa will need to step up, Smith will need to step up, and anybody we draft will need to step up. Can't keep depending on aging veterans to bail us out. 

I agree with Jacket on this one, Doom should be fielded for trade, I would let Suggs test the Market too. The young bucks can handle it Judon and ZaSmith are ready, with Correa plus the draft and FA there are lots of options.

[bigcatfrank1]

It seems that the Ravens could move the veterans and probably do ok..
Use that cap space for Secondary or a smoking young pass rusher. We need to move now, because look where we were 2 years out , next year? we could be another 2 years. It would be smart to give one big shot at pulling together as much money as possible and making another run like last year...go for the 6 playmakers again- WR, RB, Guard, Pass Rusher, CB, S . Need big time #1 level playmakers

Balance, we need balance.
But we need to aquire 6 primary playmakers- WR, RB , Guard, PASS Rush (DE or LB), Corner and Safety. between FA and the Draft we need these 6 Pro Bowl - Playmaker #1's , We add them, the remaining team has the potential to back up that nucleus. So we need to free up enough space to get them, period.

I would give up the following in a trade, preferably- I'm gutsy-
Suggs, Doom, Arrington, Powers, Lewis-Harris, Wright, Zuttah, Gilmore, Talifarro, J (Buck) Allen, Elam = cap space $ ? maybe $20-30k
now we have to look at Draft picks and trade ability for premium players.
lastly we have to look at the 2017 Draft.
Lets go OZ....bring it home. Make deals with Williams and Wagner
as far as the rest of the FA let them ride it out and see where the chips fall.

make Jensen our Center or maybe we find a center in the Draft.

[Ugly Ball]

Everything on the table except switching out any of the real reason we didn't make the playoffs, the Coaches at the top level.
1.We were stacked on offense this year, yet couldn't run the ball at all !

(Juan Casteal)

2. Defense ranked at the top of the league and lost how many last minute games this year? Just like last year !

(Dean Pees)

3.We left too many points on the field through poor time management and bad coaching decisions. Not taking field goals, when we hsve the best kicker in the league. Twice losing games as a result !

(John Harbaugh )

On top of that, throwing specific players under the bus (Jernigan & Mosley) after the games, instead of taking any personal responsibility for the losses!

What ever happened to
The Team, The Team, The Team, Coach ?

Now to save his buddies and his own job, it's time to start trimming the fat?

I guess losing the fan base is on table too...

Edited January 6 by Ugly Ball

[sizzlingdoom]

Webb needs to go, Wright needs to go, but the first release we need is Harbaugh and staff- until this is fixed it doesn't matter what our roster looks like...

Wright should've been gone after week 4. There's a reason he couldn't even make the 49ers.....but you're right about Harbaugh and his staff. This is b.s. I still honestly believe without a doubt that we had the best team in the AFC this year, esp after Gronk went down. We should've been in the SB. I've never seen a season coached worse in all 3 phases in a season for any sport. It was honestly baffling. And it was certainly all lead by Harbaugh. I don't know what Steve is doing. I'm wondering if he's uneasy about bringing in a whole new staff because they've all been around for so long and it's like a family atmosphere. I don't know what it is. But looks like we're trying this all over again with the same staff next year...

[Rav'n Maniac]

I would first attempt a team friendly restructure with Doom & Webb. If that doesn't work it's adios along with Wright, Arrington, Lewis, Powers, Elam, Pitta, Watson, Aiken & Zuttah. I expect BWill will want to walk for a big pay day and that the team will really try to resign Wagner, Orr and Guy.

That should build enough cap space that they will be able to hit CB, OLB, WR, S & C hard in free agency and the draft.

[GENE2407]

I don't know why we kept Arrington in the first place. Garbage. Worse than what we have now. I was furious when I saw we didn't cut him and suddenly he went on IR (and thus was guaranteed to be paid about $2.5m for the whole season). GET RID OF HIM IMMEDIATELY!

[GENE2407]

  9 hours ago, The Beak said:

Webb needs to go, Wright needs to go, but the first release we need is Harbaugh and staff- until this is fixed it doesn't matter what our roster looks like...

Wright should've been gone after week 4. There's a reason he couldn't even make the 49ers.....but you're right about Harbaugh and his staff. This is b.s. I still honestly believe without a doubt that we had the best team in the AFC this year, esp after Gronk went down. We should've been in the SB. I've never seen a season coached worse in all 3 phases in a season for any sport. It was honestly baffling. And it was certainly all lead by Harbaugh. I don't know what Steve is doing. I'm wondering if he's uneasy about bringing in a whole new staff because they've all been around for so long and it's like a family atmosphere. I don't know what it is. But looks like we're trying this all over again with the same staff next year...

I think sometimes you have to wait for the right coach to come along. I'm inclined to see Harbaugh go...........but for who? Chip Kelly? Some college coach we never heard of? We might have to wait until someone great is available.

[VermontRaven]

13 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Surprised that Mike Wallace ($5.75 million savings), Ben Watson ($3 million) & Shareece Wright ($ 2.6 million) were not mentioned.

Left up to me, I cut

Wallace
Watson
Wright
Zuttah
Arrington
Dumerville
Lewis

Take that $23 million in cap space and resign BWill ($6-7 million) & Wagner ($5-6 million) and then sign a quality FA WR that can run routes and catch the ball like Garcon or Britt ($7-$8 million).

Restructure Pitta & Webb and sign CB Prince Akumara ($8 million)

Use your 1st Round pick on one of the top CB or DE Solomon Davis or WR Corey Davis.

Use your 2nd Round Pick on whichever top CB falls in the 2nd Round - King/Lewis/White or WR JuJu.

Use your 3rd Round on S Budda Baker or S Marcus Williams.

Rest of the picks use to upgrade C, RB, G, future QB.
 

For the most part, I agree with your cuts, with the exception of Wallace.  While 5.75 million is a nice savings, I think that would leave us too thin at WR, and we know our record with drafting WR.  I would like to see us sign a free agent possession WR, then retain Williams.  That would leave us with FA WR, Wallace, and Perriman most likely as the top 3 with Campanaro and Moore competing for backup roles and playing time.  Wouldn't mind adding a mid-round WR either and hoping for the best.  Bottom line is Wallace is a solid not great WR and I don't think we can afford to let him go with the depth or lack thereof that we currently have.

As far as the draft and free agents potentially available, I haven't studied specific names/projected rounds/projected costs for FA, etc.  I would like to see a potential impact pass rusher and corner either from draft and/or FA.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

17 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Solution is simple from my perspective.

A) If Dummervil is still playing at an acceptable level (according to coaches, etc) then re-structure his contract for a few more years and low his cap hit next year. ensure it is a result driven contract so he maintains motivation.

Zuttah IMHO while still good, it nearing that tipping point. I let him walk and draft a replacement. That leaves them with a starter and backup between drafted C and Urschel (having playing experience). Depths is always good, especially at C.

C) Arrington & Lewis status depends on how many secondary players Ozzie WILL draft. My gut says he does pull the trigger and fill the back end with much needed new talent (3-4 players CB/S) and these guys become cap casualties.

Just B and C could save some significant cap space.

Also Joe's contract is not all guaranteed. Not sure why everyone likes to claim it is handicapping them when clearly, his visible play would suggest he is not making 100% of his contract. Yes it impacts the cap but handicap it? Look at this roster and up and down and prove how they don't have a lot of good value talent despite Joe's contract.

I can prove it - 2 losing seasons in a row - 2 non playoff seasons in a row...on paper we have talent - on the field we have [don't call our guys that]!!!

Edited January 6 by Moderator 3
Inappropriate language

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

13 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Surprised that Mike Wallace ($5.75 million savings), Ben Watson ($3 million) & Shareece Wright ($ 2.6 million) were not mentioned.

Left up to me, I cut

Wallace
Watson
Wright
Zuttah
Arrington
Dumerville
Lewis

Take that $23 million in cap space and resign BWill ($6-7 million) & Wagner ($5-6 million) and then sign a quality FA WR that can run routes and catch the ball like Garcon or Britt ($7-$8 million).

Restructure Pitta & Webb and sign CB Prince Akumara ($8 million)

Use your 1st Round pick on one of the top CB or DE Solomon Davis or WR Corey Davis.

Use your 2nd Round Pick on whichever top CB falls in the 2nd Round - King/Lewis/White or WR JuJu.

Use your 3rd Round on S Budda Baker or S Marcus Williams.

Rest of the picks use to upgrade C, RB, G, future QB.
 

I know why you said to cut Wallace is strictly a financial reason - but you would really cut the second leading TD receiver on the team.  Wallace had over 1000 yards and 4 TD's.  Who do you replace him with?  You cut him and roster goes to Perriman and Aiken - how competitive do you expect to be with just them?  There is no way to cut Wallace without severely decimating the offense more than it currently is.  Feel like his second year with Flacco will be even more productive.  If anything I foresee his contract getting extended for a year and reducing his cap hit for 2017.

People need to recall and understand that in 2015 we had $20 Million in dead cap money for players who were either out of the NFL (Rice $9.5 mill to play xbox) or playing for another team (Ngata $7.5 mill to Lions) (Jones $2.6 mill to Chargers).  That's $20 million in 2015 that I have not seen a single person on here other than myself comment on.  Who did we miss out on in FA because this money was dead? 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco-4000/

Flacco's contract....was extremely TEAM friendly his first 3 years AFTER WINNING A SUPERBOWL!!!! 

Original Contract 

                Base          Signing Bonus                Option Bonus             Cap Hit

2013			$1,000,000	$5,800,000	-		$6,800,000
2014			$6,000,000	$5,800,000	$3,000,000		$14,800,000
2015			$4,000,000	$5,800,000	$4,750,000		$14,550,000
2016			$18,000,000	$5,800,000	$4,750,000		$28,550,000
2017			$20,600,000	$5,800,000	$4,750,000		$31,150,000
2018			$20,000,000	-	$4,750,000		$24,750,000

Restructured Contract 

2016	$4,000,000	$13,800,000	$4,750,000	$22,550,000
2017	$6,000,000	$13,800,000	$4,750,000	$24,550,000
2018	$12,000,000	$8,000,000	$4,750,000	$24,750,000
2019	$18,500,000	$8,000,000		$26,500,000
2020	$20,250,000	$8,000,000		$28,250,000

 

His restructured contract reduced his cap hit in 2016 by $6 Million and by $7 Million in 2017 WHICH HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO BUT HE DID BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO HELP THE TEAM!!!!        

 

 

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

1 hour ago, GENE2407 said:

I think sometimes you have to wait for the right coach to come along. I'm inclined to see Harbaugh go...........but for who? Chip Kelly? Some college coach we never heard of? We might have to wait until someone great is available.

If we are waiting for a "great" coach - why would they be available to coach the Ravens if they were "great?"  Great coaches aren't fired, they are kept  - Belichick

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

I said if he wants Malik Jackson money, then let him walk. $7 million would make him the highest paid NT in the NFL. $6 million would put Wagner into the Top 10 of RT and $5 million puts him into the Top 15. That's where I think he slots. Now any team can throw a bunch of money at BWill. Nobody thought KO would get Top 10 LT money either.

My math is right. The Ravens still will have salary cap space not counting the $23 million they save from those cuts. The rookie cap (the total amount the rookies count towards the cap) for the 16th pick is about $6.6 million for all draft picks. They also get to carry over the $2.5 million left over from this year. Those signings plus the rookies = $35 million. Minus the $23 million from the cuts and minus the $2.5 carryover, that means the Ravens need roughly $9.5 million in space not including the restructures of Pitta & Webb. I agree the restructure of Pitta could be dicey but Webb should knock off another $ 2-3 million. The cap is also expected to rise $13-15 million next year which should be more than enough to cover any RFA tenders and paybacks.

1. Sure, but NT is exclusively a 3-4 position. Damon Harrison got more because he became a 4-3 DT, of which $7M is a much, much, much lower number. I'm not saying he will get that, but there's a big difference there. 

2. Wagner is looking at Schraeder's deal from the Falcons that was signed in November. That's in that $7M a year range. I think he can easily get that from somebody. He can ask for top 5-10 type money, because he's a top 5-10 RT. 

3. The rising salary cap is already factored in there. At the current time they have $152M in contracts (with only 45 players, so they need 6 more just to make the rule of 51). Most project the cap to be right around $165M, so that puts us right around $13M at this point. Your tenders and rookie contracts will likely eat up a good chunk of that, probably at least $10M. So the amount you have remaining to spend will likely be solely coming from the cuts you make. So even if we cut $23M, you're advocating spending about $13-15M of that on two of our own guys, which is fine. That leaves us with probably $8-10M to spend on actual FAs. That's not enough to get a receiver and a good corner. It may be enough to get one or the other, but most likely it would be enough to sign 2-3 other cheaper veterans, since we did cut a lot of players for whom we don't have replacements for.

I agree with many of the cuts, though I don't see us cutting Wallace in order to spend more on a possession receiver. I don't think you'll be able to restructure Pitta, nor do I think you'll be able to convince Webb to take a paycut. The only way Webb gets restructured as I see it is if you extend him, which would seem to be an odd choice, given we are already quite old and slow at that position.

I would also point out that while $20-30M SEEMS like a lot for us, that would probably put us at below average in terms of cap space compared to other teams in the league. There will be probably at least 10-12 teams that will have over $50M in cap space if they choose to do so, and thus you will be competing with those teams for players.

 

[budman]

11 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

I agree with Jacket on this one, Doom should be fielded for trade, I would let Suggs test the Market too. The young bucks can handle it Judon and ZaSmith are ready, with Correa plus the draft and FA there are lots of options.
 

Really? With Correa? What have you seen from him in his NFL experience that makes you think he "can handle it"? He has shown nothing. If he could have handled it wouldn't he have made it to active roster more?

[TheConquerorWorm]

  12 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

I said if he wants Malik Jackson money, then let him walk. $7 million would make him the highest paid NT in the NFL. $6 million would put Wagner into the Top 10 of RT and $5 million puts him into the Top 15. That's where I think he slots. Now any team can throw a bunch of money at BWill. Nobody thought KO would get Top 10 LT money either.

My math is right. The Ravens still will have salary cap space not counting the $23 million they save from those cuts. The rookie cap (the total amount the rookies count towards the cap) for the 16th pick is about $6.6 million for all draft picks. They also get to carry over the $2.5 million left over from this year. Those signings plus the rookies = $35 million. Minus the $23 million from the cuts and minus the $2.5 carryover, that means the Ravens need roughly $9.5 million in space not including the restructures of Pitta & Webb. I agree the restructure of Pitta could be dicey but Webb should knock off another $ 2-3 million. The cap is also expected to rise $13-15 million next year which should be more than enough to cover any RFA tenders and paybacks.

1. Sure, but NT is exclusively a 3-4 position. Damon Harrison got more because he became a 4-3 DT, of which $7M is a much, much, much lower number. I'm not saying he will get that, but there's a big difference there. 

2. Wagner is looking at Schraeder's deal from the Falcons that was signed in November. That's in that $7M a year range. I think he can easily get that from somebody. He can ask for top 5-10 type money, because he's a top 5-10 RT. 

3. The rising salary cap is already factored in there. At the current time they have $152M in contracts (with only 45 players, so they need 6 more just to make the rule of 51). Most project the cap to be right around $165M, so that puts us right around $13M at this point. Your tenders and rookie contracts will likely eat up a good chunk of that, probably at least $10M. So the amount you have remaining to spend will likely be solely coming from the cuts you make. So even if we cut $23M, you're advocating spending about $13-15M of that on two of our own guys, which is fine. That leaves us with probably $8-10M to spend on actual FAs. That's not enough to get a receiver and a good corner. It may be enough to get one or the other, but most likely it would be enough to sign 2-3 other cheaper veterans, since we did cut a lot of players for whom we don't have replacements for.

I agree with many of the cuts, though I don't see us cutting Wallace in order to spend more on a possession receiver. I don't think you'll be able to restructure Pitta, nor do I think you'll be able to convince Webb to take a paycut. The only way Webb gets restructured as I see it is if you extend him, which would seem to be an odd choice, given we are already quite old and slow at that position.

I would also point out that while $20-30M SEEMS like a lot for us, that would probably put us at below average in terms of cap space compared to other teams in the league. There will be probably at least 10-12 teams that will have over $50M in cap space if they choose to do so, and thus you will be competing with those teams for players.

 

Ryan Schraeder got $6.6 million per year and was consistently graded out as the best RT in the NFL in 2015 (by PFF for what that's worth) and built upon that this year. I don't think Wagner is quite on that level.

That's old projections you're reading. In the last meetings with owners a few weeks ago, the NFL told the owners that the cap was projected to be between $166-$170 million. So that $8-10 million left over can become $13-15 million to spend on FA. Given how you can structure contracts and spread out guarantees to massage the cap, that can easily get you a WR & CB.

The Ravens currently have 152 players under contract for 2017 at a salary of $155 Million (Most sites don't list the guys the Ravens just signed to reserve/future contracts - Stephen Houston, Matt Skura, etc.)

Again, my post was just an off-season guideline. Maybe Bwill gets a $100 million deal. Maybe the interest is not really there for Garcon and you get him on a Mike Wallace deal for $5.5 million instead of $8 million. My point is that you can cut most of those unfriendly cap deals and replace most of those players fairly easy. Free Agency and the Draft Class are set up perfectly for our needs - mainly WR, CB, Pass Rushers.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  15 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Surprised that Mike Wallace ($5.75 million savings), Ben Watson ($3 million) & Shareece Wright ($ 2.6 million) were not mentioned.

Left up to me, I cut

Wallace
Watson
Wright
Zuttah
Arrington
Dumerville
Lewis

Take that $23 million in cap space and resign BWill ($6-7 million) & Wagner ($5-6 million) and then sign a quality FA WR that can run routes and catch the ball like Garcon or Britt ($7-$8 million).

Restructure Pitta & Webb and sign CB Prince Akumara ($8 million)

Use your 1st Round pick on one of the top CB or DE Solomon Davis or WR Corey Davis.

Use your 2nd Round Pick on whichever top CB falls in the 2nd Round - King/Lewis/White or WR JuJu.

Use your 3rd Round on S Budda Baker or S Marcus Williams.

Rest of the picks use to upgrade C, RB, G, future QB.
 

I know why you said to cut Wallace is strictly a financial reason - but you would really cut the second leading TD receiver on the team.  Wallace had over 1000 yards and 4 TD's.  Who do you replace him with?  You cut him and roster goes to Perriman and Aiken - how competitive do you expect to be with just them?  There is no way to cut Wallace without severely decimating the offense more than it currently is.  Feel like his second year with Flacco will be even more productive.  If anything I foresee his contract getting extended for a year and reducing his cap hit for 2017.

People need to recall and understand that in 2015 we had $20 Million in dead cap money for players who were either out of the NFL (Rice $9.5 mill to play xbox) or playing for another team (Ngata $7.5 mill to Lions) (Jones $2.6 mill to Chargers).  That's $20 million in 2015 that I have not seen a single person on here other than myself comment on.  Who did we miss out on in FA because this money was dead? 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco-4000/

Flacco's contract....was extremely TEAM friendly his first 3 years AFTER WINNING A SUPERBOWL!!!! 

Original Contract 

                Base          Signing Bonus                Option Bonus             Cap Hit

2013			$1,000,000	$5,800,000	-		$6,800,000
2014			$6,000,000	$5,800,000	$3,000,000		$14,800,000
2015			$4,000,000	$5,800,000	$4,750,000		$14,550,000
2016			$18,000,000	$5,800,000	$4,750,000		$28,550,000
2017			$20,600,000	$5,800,000	$4,750,000		$31,150,000
2018			$20,000,000	-	$4,750,000		$24,750,000

Restructured Contract 

2016	$4,000,000	$13,800,000	$4,750,000	$22,550,000
2017	$6,000,000	$13,800,000	$4,750,000	$24,550,000
2018	$12,000,000	$8,000,000	$4,750,000	$24,750,000
2019	$18,500,000	$8,000,000		$26,500,000
2020	$20,250,000	$8,000,000		$28,250,000

 

His restructured contract reduced his cap hit in 2016 by $6 Million and by $7 Million in 2017 WHICH HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO BUT HE DID BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO HELP THE TEAM!!!!        

 

 

No, you cut Wallace not just because of financial reasons but because of his on-field performance and locker room antics. He consistently disappears during games (after the long TD against the Squealers in the 1st game, he took himself out of the 1st half to "get his head right"). He consistently drops passes. And rumor has it that he sulks and pouts in the locker room and film room. He's a soft, one trick pony.

Aiken is a free agent and is all but gone.

I go into the season with Perriman, FA signing like Garcon/Britt, Chris Moore, Campanaro & draft pick like Corey Davis/JuJu.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

40 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

No, you cut Wallace not just because of financial reasons but because of his on-field performance and locker room antics. He consistently disappears during games (after the long TD against the Squealers in the 1st game, he took himself out of the 1st half to "get his head right"). He consistently drops passes. And rumor has it that he sulks and pouts in the locker room and film room. He's a soft, one trick pony.

Aiken is a free agent and is all but gone.

I go into the season with Perriman, FA signing like Garcon/Britt, Chris Moore, Campanaro & draft pick like Corey Davis/JuJu.

Great, so with your marvelous GM skills we go into the 2017 season with a 2nd year receiver who hasn't proven himself, Moore another 2nd year receiver who hasn't done anything, Campanaro who can't stay healthy and hasn't done anything relevant but 1 TD, hedging your bets on signing Garcon/Britt and then have another undeveloped unproven rookie.  Brilliant!!!! I can see us winning a SB with that line-up...

Every single one of our receivers consistently dropped passes - that was a major problem this season.  Wallace was the 2nd leading WR with TD's and you want to get release him, not happening.

Rumor has it - really, haven't heard that rumor

Edited January 6 by ibleedpurpleandblack

[BiggMack91]

fire coaching staff and ozzie please

[BiggMack91]

  4 hours ago, GENE2407 said:

I think sometimes you have to wait for the right coach to come along. I'm inclined to see Harbaugh go...........but for who? Chip Kelly? Some college coach we never heard of? We might have to wait until someone great is available.

If we are waiting for a "great" coach - why would they be available to coach the Ravens if they were "great?"  Great coaches aren't fired, they are kept  - Belichick

belichicks OC would be a great head coach

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

6 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I would first attempt a team friendly restructure with Doom & Webb. If that doesn't work it's adios along with Wright, Arrington, Lewis, Powers, Elam, Pitta, Watson, Aiken & Zuttah. I expect BWill will want to walk for a big pay day and that the team will really try to resign Wagner, Orr and Guy.

That should build enough cap space that they will be able to hit CB, OLB, WR, S & C hard in free agency and the draft.

Teams that win have continuity - seems you want to get rid of every one bring in new people and then expect to win - doesn't happen in the NFL

[steelcityraven]

Kendrick Lewis and Kyle Arrington are $5million who contributed nothing to the team this season. Dumervil is $8 million and Webb and Zuttah (while they contributed... seriously under performed).

Joe Flacco while he had a career year... in yards played more like an $11 million dollar QB then a $22 million dollar one.

No wonder we were 8-8 that is close to $30 million dollars in cap space that we didn't get a return on our investment from. SMH

[steelcityraven]

  18 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Surprised that Mike Wallace ($5.75 million savings), Ben Watson ($3 million) & Shareece Wright ($ 2.6 million) were not mentioned.

Left up to me, I cut

Wallace
Watson
Wright
Zuttah
Arrington
Dumerville
Lewis

Take that $23 million in cap space and resign BWill ($6-7 million) & Wagner ($5-6 million) and then sign a quality FA WR that can run routes and catch the ball like Garcon or Britt ($7-$8 million).

Restructure Pitta & Webb and sign CB Prince Akumara ($8 million)

Use your 1st Round pick on one of the top CB or DE Solomon Davis or WR Corey Davis.

Use your 2nd Round Pick on whichever top CB falls in the 2nd Round - King/Lewis/White or WR JuJu.

Use your 3rd Round on S Budda Baker or S Marcus Williams.

Rest of the picks use to upgrade C, RB, G, future QB.
 

I know why you said to cut Wallace is strictly a financial reason - but you would really cut the second leading TD receiver on the team.  Wallace had over 1000 yards and 4 TD's.  Who do you replace him with?  You cut him and roster goes to Perriman and Aiken - how competitive do you expect to be with just them?  There is no way to cut Wallace without severely decimating the offense more than it currently is.  Feel like his second year with Flacco will be even more productive.  If anything I foresee his contract getting extended for a year and reducing his cap hit for 2017.

People need to recall and understand that in 2015 we had $20 Million in dead cap money for players who were either out of the NFL (Rice $9.5 mill to play xbox) or playing for another team (Ngata $7.5 mill to Lions) (Jones $2.6 mill to Chargers).  That's $20 million in 2015 that I have not seen a single person on here other than myself comment on.  Who did we miss out on in FA because this money was dead? 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco-4000/

Flacco's contract....was extremely TEAM friendly his first 3 years AFTER WINNING A SUPERBOWL!!!! 

Original Contract 

                Base          Signing Bonus                Option Bonus             Cap Hit

2013			$1,000,000	$5,800,000	-		$6,800,000
2014			$6,000,000	$5,800,000	$3,000,000		$14,800,000
2015			$4,000,000	$5,800,000	$4,750,000		$14,550,000
2016			$18,000,000	$5,800,000	$4,750,000		$28,550,000
2017			$20,600,000	$5,800,000	$4,750,000		$31,150,000
2018			$20,000,000	-	$4,750,000		$24,750,000

Restructured Contract 

2016	$4,000,000	$13,800,000	$4,750,000	$22,550,000
2017	$6,000,000	$13,800,000	$4,750,000	$24,550,000
2018	$12,000,000	$8,000,000	$4,750,000	$24,750,000
2019	$18,500,000	$8,000,000		$26,500,000
2020	$20,250,000	$8,000,000		$28,250,000

 

His restructured contract reduced his cap hit in 2016 by $6 Million and by $7 Million in 2017 WHICH HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO BUT HE DID BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO HELP THE TEAM!!!!        

 

 

IDK.... "BC he was trying to help the team"? If Joe was trying to help the team ... you don't threaten the hold out and play the games that he and Mr. Litna played on his contract year. They knew that they broke the bank on that contract bc they had us stuck. Hands tied...

They knew from day 1 that down the road this contract would need to be re-negotiated... and Joe even said that.

But they also knew that if you get the giant numbers up front.... that would mean more guaranteed money down the road... via signing bonuses, etc. So did they do it to help the team?

If feel like there was a lot more self-preservation in that decision process then charity!

In fact I think in a lot of ways he handicapped the team...and made it impossible now with all of the dead money to trade of move him.

I get it... every player wants to get as much as they can... but when they do... and they re-structure to get more up front... and more guaranteed.... I don't see that as them being charitable and trying to help their team?

But that's just me!

[Ravenseconbeast]

So when do we have the cap to get back into contending for Lombardi again?

[Drew P]

18 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

I agree with Jacket on this one, Doom should be fielded for trade, I would let Suggs test the Market too. The young bucks can handle it Judon and ZaSmith are ready, with Correa plus the draft and FA there are lots of options.
 

Judon and Smith are ready for what? Judon has the potential to play 3 downs but Smith isn't anything other than a third down pass rusher if that.

Correa doesn't have a clearly defined role on defense in any way shape or form thus far.

Suggs is under contract and his cap hit is less than last year. probably be in uniform next year.

 

[Militant X 1]

22 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And when Doom gets hurt (which he did) or doesn't come back from an Achilles tear well (which he hasn't so far), you're in the exact same boat, except with $6M in cap space less.

And $4-5M may be enough to get a replacement level player with less injury concerns, though I agree you're going to the draft for that. 

Any way you look at it, you're banking on young players. Even if Doom is back, if he's your best pass rusher and is playing anything more than a complimentary role, you're got big problems regardless. Judon will need to stop up, Correa will need to step up, Smith will need to step up, and anybody we draft will need to step up. Can't keep depending on aging veterans to bail us out. 

I completely agree!