[News] Ravens' Offseason Roster Wish List

[sizzlingdoom]

I got an easy one Get Smarter and all else gets easier. In 2017 Jimmy Smith will be the second highest player on the team. Base salary more than Joe. That's not good negotiating. I guess he is getting compensated for 2012 too.
- Casey Hayward signed a 3 year, $15,300,000 contract with the San Diego Chargers---Jimmy Smith signed a 4 year, $41,102,000 contract with the Baltimore Ravens. Now go compare the stats.

hindsight is 20/20. give me a break. A lot of bad contracts on this team but pointing it out years later is kinda lame.

[PsychoRaven52]

  1 hour ago, PsychoRaven52 said:

  2 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I agree with every position need mentioned in this article except the 3rd running back position. We don't give our 1st and 2nd options enough carries as it is, so why worry about the 3rd option at this point. Draft picks will be better used at the other mentioned positions as one player selected at each is not enough. The only way I would spend a selection on a RB is if that player is Jamal Lewis reincarnated.

THIS! SO MUCH THIS! The whole "running back by committee" approach has never really worked, less the Falcons situation with 2 premiere backs. Every back needs consecutive/consistent carries to get hot and make these explosive plays. The more touches they get, the more comfortable they get with the ebb and flow of the game. Sure depth is necessary and rest/subs are needed. But we need 1 starting RB, and I think Dixon could be it next season. West would be a great back up/sub/short yardage back, while Dixon has 3 down RB potential.

Pair that with an improved O-Line and dedication to run the ball 30-40 times a game (better play calling/scheme), and improvements to the pass rush and secondary, and we'd be playoff bound.

Oh, and please do not let Aiken hit the FA. If he was actually used as a starter this season, rather than an occasional piece, we'd have been a lot more productive. I love SSS as much as the next fan, but Aiken's season 2 years ago, when he was the primary WR, sold me on his ability. Offset him with the speed we now have and he's the next Q... Just sayin'...

I agree about Dixon. Need to make him our work horse, he is amazing. He needs to work on his blitz pick ups though, which is a big deal but can be worked on.
However, AIKEN?!?!?
The guy is awful. He is a terrible special teamer. Terrible. And I'm all but sure anyone that watched every this year would completely agree with that.
And he is without a doubt a below average wr at best. he does not have one trait that stands out and his hands aren't reliable. I can't even count how many times/ways Aiken cost us the Washington game. You mention his stats from 2 years ago. He had no choice but to put up numbers, our entire team was injured and we had to throw the ball to someone, esp considering we were almost always down. Plus he put 59 yards a game??? Just curious how that sold you. Not to mention he had 127 targets. Clearly we disagree. But if we rely on Aiken to catch any passes next year, our offense will be much worse than it was this year

944 yards as the only target available means was able to be a workhorse WR. He's no all star player, but he's a reliable, solid, physical WR. I watched every game this year, he hardly played. He was only targeted 3 times against WAS, so I wouldn't put that loss on him.

If you put Aikens 2015 season up against the 3 seasons SSS played for us, Aiken is equal to or better that SSS, and SSS was the primary target for the first 7 games of Aikens 2015 campaign.

Aiken 2015 (14 GS)= 944yds / 127 targets / 75 catches / 59% catch%
SSS 2014 (16 GS)= 1065yds / 137 targets / 79 catches / 59% catch%
SSS 2015 (7 GS)= 670yds / 73 targets / 46 catches / 63% catch%
SSS 2016 (14 GS)= 799yds / 101 targets / 70 catches / 69% catch%

I dunno, being the ONLY target and still producing like SSS when SSS played opposite other weapons? Albeit mediocre deep threats, and Pitta, it's still a lot more for a Defense to account for than Aiken had in 2015.

I'm not saying Aiken's the second coming of Jerry Rice, I'm saying he's a solid, affordable possession WR that very closely resembles Boldin. He needs an opportunity to play to get the numbers though. Is he a terrible special teams player? Maybe... but he's a WR by trade. I never suggested he should be playing special teams and I don;t think that has any bearing on his WR ability.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

Hmmmmm, Piss poor coaching Harbs!! We went in to the off-season last year with the same "NEEDS" and didn't address them then and here we are again with the same "NEEDS" watching the post-season from our sofas.

[sizzlingdoom]

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  2 hours ago, PsychoRaven52 said:

  2 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I agree with every position need mentioned in this article except the 3rd running back position. We don't give our 1st and 2nd options enough carries as it is, so why worry about the 3rd option at this point. Draft picks will be better used at the other mentioned positions as one player selected at each is not enough. The only way I would spend a selection on a RB is if that player is Jamal Lewis reincarnated.

THIS! SO MUCH THIS! The whole "running back by committee" approach has never really worked, less the Falcons situation with 2 premiere backs. Every back needs consecutive/consistent carries to get hot and make these explosive plays. The more touches they get, the more comfortable they get with the ebb and flow of the game. Sure depth is necessary and rest/subs are needed. But we need 1 starting RB, and I think Dixon could be it next season. West would be a great back up/sub/short yardage back, while Dixon has 3 down RB potential.

Pair that with an improved O-Line and dedication to run the ball 30-40 times a game (better play calling/scheme), and improvements to the pass rush and secondary, and we'd be playoff bound.

Oh, and please do not let Aiken hit the FA. If he was actually used as a starter this season, rather than an occasional piece, we'd have been a lot more productive. I love SSS as much as the next fan, but Aiken's season 2 years ago, when he was the primary WR, sold me on his ability. Offset him with the speed we now have and he's the next Q... Just sayin'...

I agree about Dixon. Need to make him our work horse, he is amazing. He needs to work on his blitz pick ups though, which is a big deal but can be worked on.
However, AIKEN?!?!?
The guy is awful. He is a terrible special teamer. Terrible. And I'm all but sure anyone that watched every this year would completely agree with that.
And he is without a doubt a below average wr at best. he does not have one trait that stands out and his hands aren't reliable. I can't even count how many times/ways Aiken cost us the Washington game. You mention his stats from 2 years ago. He had no choice but to put up numbers, our entire team was injured and we had to throw the ball to someone, esp considering we were almost always down. Plus he put 59 yards a game??? Just curious how that sold you. Not to mention he had 127 targets. Clearly we disagree. But if we rely on Aiken to catch any passes next year, our offense will be much worse than it was this year

944 yards as the only target available means was able to be a workhorse WR. He's no all star player, but he's a reliable, solid, physical WR. I watched every game this year, he hardly played. He was only targeted 3 times against WAS, so I wouldn't put that loss on him.

If you put Aikens 2015 season up against the 3 seasons SSS played for us, Aiken is equal to or better that SSS, and SSS was the primary target for the first 7 games of Aikens 2015 campaign.

Aiken 2015 (14 GS)= 944yds / 127 targets / 75 catches / 59% catch%
SSS 2014 (16 GS)= 1065yds / 137 targets / 79 catches / 59% catch%
SSS 2015 (7 GS)= 670yds / 73 targets / 46 catches / 63% catch%
SSS 2016 (14 GS)= 799yds / 101 targets / 70 catches / 69% catch%

I dunno, being the ONLY target and still producing like SSS when SSS played opposite other weapons? Albeit mediocre deep threats, and Pitta, it's still a lot more for a Defense to account for than Aiken had in 2015.

I'm not saying Aiken's the second coming of Jerry Rice, I'm saying he's a solid, affordable possession WR that very closely resembles Boldin. He needs an opportunity to play to get the numbers though. Is he a terrible special teams player? Maybe... but he's a WR by trade. I never suggested he should be playing special teams and I don;t think that has any bearing on his WR ability.

If he's on the team he'll be playing special teams. Which hurts our team. And did you really just compare him to Q????REALLY. LOL I do not think he is a solid wr in any way shape or form

[sizzlingdoom]

  8 minutes ago, PsychoRaven52 said:

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  2 hours ago, PsychoRaven52 said:

  2 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I agree with every position need mentioned in this article except the 3rd running back position. We don't give our 1st and 2nd options enough carries as it is, so why worry about the 3rd option at this point. Draft picks will be better used at the other mentioned positions as one player selected at each is not enough. The only way I would spend a selection on a RB is if that player is Jamal Lewis reincarnated.

THIS! SO MUCH THIS! The whole "running back by committee" approach has never really worked, less the Falcons situation with 2 premiere backs. Every back needs consecutive/consistent carries to get hot and make these explosive plays. The more touches they get, the more comfortable they get with the ebb and flow of the game. Sure depth is necessary and rest/subs are needed. But we need 1 starting RB, and I think Dixon could be it next season. West would be a great back up/sub/short yardage back, while Dixon has 3 down RB potential.

Pair that with an improved O-Line and dedication to run the ball 30-40 times a game (better play calling/scheme), and improvements to the pass rush and secondary, and we'd be playoff bound.

Oh, and please do not let Aiken hit the FA. If he was actually used as a starter this season, rather than an occasional piece, we'd have been a lot more productive. I love SSS as much as the next fan, but Aiken's season 2 years ago, when he was the primary WR, sold me on his ability. Offset him with the speed we now have and he's the next Q... Just sayin'...

I agree about Dixon. Need to make him our work horse, he is amazing. He needs to work on his blitz pick ups though, which is a big deal but can be worked on.
However, AIKEN?!?!?
The guy is awful. He is a terrible special teamer. Terrible. And I'm all but sure anyone that watched every this year would completely agree with that.
And he is without a doubt a below average wr at best. he does not have one trait that stands out and his hands aren't reliable. I can't even count how many times/ways Aiken cost us the Washington game. You mention his stats from 2 years ago. He had no choice but to put up numbers, our entire team was injured and we had to throw the ball to someone, esp considering we were almost always down. Plus he put 59 yards a game??? Just curious how that sold you. Not to mention he had 127 targets. Clearly we disagree. But if we rely on Aiken to catch any passes next year, our offense will be much worse than it was this year

944 yards as the only target available means was able to be a workhorse WR. He's no all star player, but he's a reliable, solid, physical WR. I watched every game this year, he hardly played. He was only targeted 3 times against WAS, so I wouldn't put that loss on him.

If you put Aikens 2015 season up against the 3 seasons SSS played for us, Aiken is equal to or better that SSS, and SSS was the primary target for the first 7 games of Aikens 2015 campaign.

Aiken 2015 (14 GS)= 944yds / 127 targets / 75 catches / 59% catch%
SSS 2014 (16 GS)= 1065yds / 137 targets / 79 catches / 59% catch%
SSS 2015 (7 GS)= 670yds / 73 targets / 46 catches / 63% catch%
SSS 2016 (14 GS)= 799yds / 101 targets / 70 catches / 69% catch%

I dunno, being the ONLY target and still producing like SSS when SSS played opposite other weapons? Albeit mediocre deep threats, and Pitta, it's still a lot more for a Defense to account for than Aiken had in 2015.

I'm not saying Aiken's the second coming of Jerry Rice, I'm saying he's a solid, affordable possession WR that very closely resembles Boldin. He needs an opportunity to play to get the numbers though. Is he a terrible special teams player? Maybe... but he's a WR by trade. I never suggested he should be playing special teams and I don;t think that has any bearing on his WR ability.

If he's on the team he'll be playing special teams. Which hurts our team. And did you really just compare him to Q????REALLY. LOL I do not think he is a solid wr in any way shape or form

I would put a huge response but I'm at work and just got off. The last pass in that game bounced so hard off his chest. Plus he killed on special teams multiple times that game. I just really hope he's not on our team next year

[The Greek]

  5 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  17 hours ago, R@venFan808 said:

  17 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

"Make our scouts great again"

after having one of the best drafts in Ravens history last year can you elaborate on that?

I'll elaborate on that, no problem.
NFL teams are built through the draft. I don't think a single knowledgeable football fan would argue that. Some teams do well and get lucky, and hit on players in rounds 4-7 every so often, which is a serious boost to the team. But the foundations of great teams are built in rounds 1-3. This is obvious and simple. Here is a list of 1rst-3rd round picks over the past 7 years.
Elam
Perriman
Arthur Brown
Maxx Williams
Cody
Kindle
KC
Kufasi
Carl Davis
Brooks
Jah Reid
Upshaw

Not only are none of these players even close to sniffing any kind of pro bowl talent, but a lot of them already have or are going to end up not even being able to play in the league what so ever. Because they are not any good. 1rst, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. That aren't even good enough to play in the league.....hmmmm. Drafting is driving the Ravens into the ground. Someone has to answer for that.

This year. Stanley is awesome. At 6 overall, you better get an awesome player. After that, let's talk about this "one of the best drafts in Ravens history".
We draft KC in the second round. Doom and Mosely are out for big sections of the year and KC isn't even good enough to play. at ll really. But he's a "hustle" player. Whatever that means. So we waste a pick on a guy that might never be good enough to play, instead of players that made an impact the entire year, and will be foundations of their franchises going forward- Sterling, Spence, and Michael Thomas are just a couple. All positions we need too.
Then Kufasi. Yeah he got hurt, but bottom line, another high pick with zero production or experience after year 1. Not to mention he was another "hustle" player that didn't have any outstanding traits at all and was someone that "needs time to develop".
Our 4th round was good. Finally. But Young is the only sure thing.
Chris Moore didn't contribute this year, except for a costly drop.
Alex Lewis got a lot of hype, but he was only average when he was on the field.
Henry didn't play at all this year.
And I am a fan of Dixon.
Then Judon looks good but is raw and completely unproven.

So this draft was ok, but the only reason it looks good is cuz we're comparing it to our GARBAGE drafts of the past several years. We drafted about 2 pro bowl players in the past 5 years. And one of those was a kicker. It's pathetic and very sad and helpless for the fans. If we don't hit on rounds 1-3 in the next several years, we'll be sitting in 3rd or 4th in the division for years to come.

Note that the general downturn in drafted talent in the higher rounds coincides with the Harbaugh era. Could be a coincidence, or it could be his influence to find "high character, high football IQ" guys who were team captains, etc. The result is a lack of playmakers, pro-bowlers, and (unfortunately) no decrease in penalties. This might be doable in New England, where you have elite coaching and QB play, but not here.

I would love to know what Ozzie's board would have looked like over the past 5 years without the coach's influence.

i have posted several times that it is time to pkg those 4th-7th rd. picks these next 2-3 years and move up and grab playmakers. sure there is no guarantee they will pan out but the fo needs to try because they have missed a lot. stop restructuring contracts with older players because it bites us in the end.

[Crusader]

  1 hour ago, Crusader said:

I got an easy one Get Smarter and all else gets easier. In 2017 Jimmy Smith will be the second highest player on the team. Base salary more than Joe. That's not good negotiating. I guess he is getting compensated for 2012 too.
- Casey Hayward signed a 3 year, $15,300,000 contract with the San Diego Chargers---Jimmy Smith signed a 4 year, $41,102,000 contract with the Baltimore Ravens. Now go compare the stats.

hindsight is 20/20. give me a break. A lot of bad contracts on this team but pointing it out years later is kinda lame.

Jimmy signed it in 2016.

[whobilly]

  12 hours ago, jdynamite said:

Ozzie, Decosta and Harbaugh all need to do much better jobs of addessing these needs. After all, these are the same re-occurring needs for 3 straight years now. 

They said we needed to improve the secondary 2 years ago but didn't make any moves outside of Kyle Arrington, Kendrick Lewis both terrible signings and wrote a million fluff pieces about how Rashaan Melvin looked strong and would be an excellent starter opposite Jimmy after an offense of improving.  

Fast-Forward one year the narrative becomes Shareece Wright is the bookend opposite of Jimmy he's had the strongest camp of anyone has ultra confidence himself and he's poised for a breakout year. 

Webb is the answer at safety - Webb did play very well second half of the season. 

Tavon Young was a pleasant surprise, the kid play great. 

No one knows what was the deal with Correa I'm sure this guy didn't even play 10% of the defensive snaps. Even with Mosley and Dummervil both out this kid didn't see action. 

 

I like correa but I thought it was a wasted second round pick. We should've drafted the best available corner an then grabbed an iLB later

What is there to like about KC? CP (Can't Play) I don't get overly excited about a #2 pick that can't get on the field except for Special Teams where he was nothing special.

[b93333]

If the Oz continues to whiff in the early draft rounds it will be impossible to fill all the voids. Free agents will think twice before signing with a mediocre team with a lame duck coaching staff.

[rmcjacket23]

If the Oz continues to whiff in the early draft rounds it will be impossible to fill all the voids. Free agents will think twice before signing with a mediocre team with a lame duck coaching staff.

No they won't. FAs sign where the money is. Always have, always will. Why do you think a lot of the bad teams always end up signing the best FA players?

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  1 hour ago, Crusader said:

I got an easy one Get Smarter and all else gets easier. In 2017 Jimmy Smith will be the second highest player on the team. Base salary more than Joe. That's not good negotiating. I guess he is getting compensated for 2012 too.
- Casey Hayward signed a 3 year, $15,300,000 contract with the San Diego Chargers---Jimmy Smith signed a 4 year, $41,102,000 contract with the Baltimore Ravens. Now go compare the stats.

hindsight is 20/20. give me a break. A lot of bad contracts on this team but pointing it out years later is kinda lame.

Jimmy signed it in 2016.

Jimmy Smith? That was April, 2015 bud.

[rmcjacket23]

  5 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  6 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  17 hours ago, R@venFan808 said:

  17 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

"Make our scouts great again"

after having one of the best drafts in Ravens history last year can you elaborate on that?

I'll elaborate on that, no problem.
NFL teams are built through the draft. I don't think a single knowledgeable football fan would argue that. Some teams do well and get lucky, and hit on players in rounds 4-7 every so often, which is a serious boost to the team. But the foundations of great teams are built in rounds 1-3. This is obvious and simple. Here is a list of 1rst-3rd round picks over the past 7 years.
Elam
Perriman
Arthur Brown
Maxx Williams
Cody
Kindle
KC
Kufasi
Carl Davis
Brooks
Jah Reid
Upshaw

Not only are none of these players even close to sniffing any kind of pro bowl talent, but a lot of them already have or are going to end up not even being able to play in the league what so ever. Because they are not any good. 1rst, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. That aren't even good enough to play in the league.....hmmmm. Drafting is driving the Ravens into the ground. Someone has to answer for that.

This year. Stanley is awesome. At 6 overall, you better get an awesome player. After that, let's talk about this "one of the best drafts in Ravens history".
We draft KC in the second round. Doom and Mosely are out for big sections of the year and KC isn't even good enough to play. at ll really. But he's a "hustle" player. Whatever that means. So we waste a pick on a guy that might never be good enough to play, instead of players that made an impact the entire year, and will be foundations of their franchises going forward- Sterling, Spence, and Michael Thomas are just a couple. All positions we need too.
Then Kufasi. Yeah he got hurt, but bottom line, another high pick with zero production or experience after year 1. Not to mention he was another "hustle" player that didn't have any outstanding traits at all and was someone that "needs time to develop".
Our 4th round was good. Finally. But Young is the only sure thing.
Chris Moore didn't contribute this year, except for a costly drop.
Alex Lewis got a lot of hype, but he was only average when he was on the field.
Henry didn't play at all this year.
And I am a fan of Dixon.
Then Judon looks good but is raw and completely unproven.

So this draft was ok, but the only reason it looks good is cuz we're comparing it to our GARBAGE drafts of the past several years. We drafted about 2 pro bowl players in the past 5 years. And one of those was a kicker. It's pathetic and very sad and helpless for the fans. If we don't hit on rounds 1-3 in the next several years, we'll be sitting in 3rd or 4th in the division for years to come.

Note that the general downturn in drafted talent in the higher rounds coincides with the Harbaugh era. Could be a coincidence, or it could be his influence to find "high character, high football IQ" guys who were team captains, etc. The result is a lack of playmakers, pro-bowlers, and (unfortunately) no decrease in penalties. This might be doable in New England, where you have elite coaching and QB play, but not here.

I would love to know what Ozzie's board would have looked like over the past 5 years without the coach's influence.

i have posted several times that it is time to pkg those 4th-7th rd. picks these next 2-3 years and move up and grab playmakers. sure there is no guarantee they will pan out but the fo needs to try because they have missed a lot. stop restructuring contracts with older players because it bites us in the end.

The type of playmakers you are looking for are likely to be picked in the first couple rounds most of the time. You aren't just moving a couple 4-7th rounders for those kinds of picks.

[rmcjacket23]

... and all this in a season where the Ravens will be rather tight against the cap - as usual.

It's like when the child in a poor family writes a Christmas wish list that fits a solid middle class family...

Not necessarily. If they're planning to make personnel changes (namely cutting some significant veterans) as they are expected to do, you'll see them with more cap space than you typically remember seeing them with. Could easily be north of $20M by the time FA starts.

How and where they spend it remains to be seen. If we don't retain Wagner or Williams, I'd expect to see some significant spending. Not blockbuster, but significant.

[purpledown]

would the Ravens draft Fournette or Cook if they slide to 16? West and Dixon can do the job if they are given the chance and stay healthy. But a Fournette in the backfield would make running the ball a must.

[purpledown]

Dixon has a higher upside than West.

[rmcjacket23]

  13 hours ago, designermaryland said:

The front office cannot evaluate/draft a wide receiver. They may as well just stop drafting them and wasting the picks. I count 10 in the last 6 years, with only Torrey being productive one out of them all to date. Seek a low cost free agent who is not over 30. I would put that low on the list, because Flacco will just ignore them to check down regardless. You can stick anyone at WR to not get thrown to.

They have passed on solid and productive CB's the past 3 years at least and would rather stock pile a 7th DT to ride the bench than a starting CB. Dont ask me the wisdom on that philosophy. I think they have needed at least 1 or more because the pass rush is non existent. I would frankly go multiple OLB who can rush (not defensive ends), CB and interior OL. Draft at least 2 of each or acquire a quality starter via free agency.

We do not need RB, TE, ILB, DT, DE, WR. No need to have 9 guys at one position when others are thin. For that reason, I never enjoy the draft selections made by the ravens and the "best player" idea.

Ravens haven't taken the "Best Player Available" in almost 10 years. Don't let them set you up for the trap. Ravens need Pass Rushers and O-line help. Those should be the priorities this year.

Well, they have based on how they evaluate players and how their draft board fell.

They just don't have the convenience of waiting a few years and then being like fans and saying "bad pick... told you so".

They assemble a draft board based on several positions they wish to address, and take the best player available from that board.

Not a difficult concept. I think fans just assume that taking the BPA on your board means you automatically get a good player all the time. Not how it works for any NFL team.

[rmcjacket23]

The reason the Ravens don't have playmakers is that they don't draft any. There's a tremendous drop-off in talent between the first and fourth rounds, yet amassing fourth round picks seems more important. They had the same needs before the last draft. What happened?

Not really.

1. The biggest concern after last season was the secondary. They used one of your dreaded 4th round picks on a corner who played very well, and signed a quality safety.

Secondary is still an issue, because that's only two players. And you need like 5-6 guys. That takes time. You can't rebuild a secondary in 3 months unless you have like $50M to spend.

2. Basically same thing at WR. Used a 1st rounder on somebody who was injured, drafted another guy, signed a FA. Now we got a guy retiring and you need more than just 1-2 decent WRs. Again, not a single year solve.

3. Issue with pass rush is age and injuries mostly. Correa didn't pan out, though Judon appears to be good, and Suggs and Dumervil are injured and old.

Pressing needs last offseason were also offensive line, where we appear to have added two pretty good players there.

[ngatathroughstreet]

would the Ravens draft Fournette or Cook if they slide to 16? West and Dixon can do the job if they are given the chance and stay healthy. But a Fournette in the backfield would make running the ball a must.

They should, I still believe this season was about points. Our secondary wasn't great at all points but our D was good enough to win games. Joe is a play-action QB and he has not looked nearly as good since Rice left. We need a true bell-cow, Dixon will be great for spells.

I'd prefer Cook.

[steelcityraven]

RB.... Dalvin Cook FSU or Saqwan Barkley PSU- (if he goes pro)....Trey Edmunds -MD-Fournette-LSU, C McCaffery -Stanf, WGaulman-Clem

WR...Mike WIliams-Clem- Curtis Samuel Ohio St. - Corey Davis- WMICH

CB...Marlon Humphrey-Bamma, Sid Jones-Wash, C.Tankersly-Clem.

Tees Tabor-Fla, Cam Suton Tenn, Jordan Lewis- Mich and David Rives Youngstown St

C... Ethan Pocic-LSU, Kyle Fuller-Baylor, Tobijah Hughley-Louisville, Riley Sorenson Washington State

OLB... Jabril Peppers-Mich, TJ Watt-Wisc, Jordan Willis-Kansas State, Vince Beigel -Wisc

[steelcityraven]

  1 hour ago, purpledown said:

would the Ravens draft Fournette or Cook if they slide to 16? West and Dixon can do the job if they are given the chance and stay healthy. But a Fournette in the backfield would make running the ball a must.

They should, I still believe this season was about points. Our secondary wasn't great at all points but our D was good enough to win games. Joe is a play-action QB and he has not looked nearly as good since Rice left. We need a true bell-cow, Dixon will be great for spells.

I'd prefer Cook.

I'd prefer cook also!

[steelcityraven]

Jimmy and Joe are just two of may examples of why more of these big contracts should be incentive laden. When you are paying top $ for someone -you have to get production out of them... In the salary cap era... teams cannot afford to get inconsistent play for the players on the top of their pay scale. (regardless of the reason for inconsistency...inj, not on the field, etc).

[mrc724]

If Wright is a big drop off from Jimmy Smith, why is he playing? Give one of the rookies a chance, can't do any worse. The Ravens may find another "hidden gem" we won't know unless they are given a chance. I'm beginning to question Leslie Frazier's capabilities to develop talent.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

would the Ravens draft Fournette or Cook if they slide to 16? West and Dixon can do the job if they are given the chance and stay healthy. But a Fournette in the backfield would make running the ball a must.

It was a must this year but the stupid coach didn't call run plays if he did we would be in the playoffs

[mrc724]

Why can't the Ravens develop their own players, instead of taking other team's castoffs.

[BallsoHard622]

  13 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

  15 hours ago, jdynamite said:

Ozzie, Decosta and Harbaugh all need to do much better jobs of addessing these needs. After all, these are the same re-occurring needs for 3 straight years now. 

They said we needed to improve the secondary 2 years ago but didn't make any moves outside of Kyle Arrington, Kendrick Lewis both terrible signings and wrote a million fluff pieces about how Rashaan Melvin looked strong and would be an excellent starter opposite Jimmy after an offense of improving.  

Fast-Forward one year the narrative becomes Shareece Wright is the bookend opposite of Jimmy he's had the strongest camp of anyone has ultra confidence himself and he's poised for a breakout year. 

Webb is the answer at safety - Webb did play very well second half of the season. 

Tavon Young was a pleasant surprise, the kid play great. 

No one knows what was the deal with Correa I'm sure this guy didn't even play 10% of the defensive snaps. Even with Mosley and Dummervil both out this kid didn't see action. 

 

I like correa but I thought it was a wasted second round pick. We should've drafted the best available corner an then grabbed an iLB later

What is there to like about KC? CP (Can't Play) I don't get overly excited about a #2 pick that can't get on the field except for Special Teams where he was nothing special.

I hear but I think he can develop into a decent ILB. Your second round pick should contribute right away but he wasn't ready. I think we could've got him in the later rounds an used that pick on a position like db which we really needed

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Hmmmmm, Piss poor coaching Harbs!! We went in to the off-season last year with the same "NEEDS" and didn't address them then and here we are again with the same "NEEDS" watching the post-season from our sofas.

Don't worry buddy that's all taken care of now harbaugh just fired juan's assistant

[jdynamite]

12 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

I wish we would've paid KO to be our left tackle. He proved that he could play the position. If we did that we could've dropped back from the number six pick in the draft to the 8 or 9 spot an snatched up Eli apple an a second round pick. That would made a big difference this season.

When did KO prove he could be a LT? He played what 3 or 4 games at the position during a meaningless stretch of a 5-11 season.  He got paid LT money but he's still a LG even in Oakland.  

 

Now I've got nothing against Eli Apple I liked him as a prospect last year but when the Giant drafted him that high it was a bit of a reach since he was thought to be a mid to late 1st round prospect.  If your scenario plays out and KO was the future LT then I would have expected a more aggressive attempt to get Ramsey as the pick rather than trading back. 

 

 

[jdynamite]

18 hours ago, whobilly said:

A 6 million dollar contract will be the end of Doom. What has Kamalei Correa done other then be invisible? Kafusi a BIG question. And what happened to that dynamic burner #1 pick Breshad Perriman? I could live with his very average numbers if he was a 5th round pick NOT a #1 pick.

Again relating to B.Perriman please tell me what your expectations were for him statistically considering this man never even had a training camp to prepare for an NFL season...  

Did you really expect a man that has barely had practice time to walk onto an NFL field and catch 80 balls for 1300 yds? 

Perriman actually put up better numbers than Funchess, S.Coates, N.Agholor, Green-Beckham from his draft class and others from this current draft class and perriman wasn't even getting snaps the first couple of weeks.  

 

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