[News] Ravens Considering Candidates For Offensive Coaching Staff

[BR News]

The Ravens currently have an opening at quarterbacks coach, and they could also add additional members to the staff.

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[CQ1]

Yeah- that will fix everything....especially a 10 year rookie QB.
Re our 'philosophy':
Perhaps that will change. Yes, the philosophy of just keep it close until the last drive, keep checking down to avoid running the ball/ to pad Joes passing yards, pass to stop the clock when you should be running it (while throwing interceptions), pass on first down intro double teams when you are inside the 10- also on first down, have a head coach and a quarterback that know when this is wrong- but do not try to stop it, keep blowing smoke on knaive fans. Yes. A great philosophy.
Blow smoke like a Raven
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[ravens4life86]

Nobody believes in this organization right now. Slowly eroding fan trust

[Maryland]

Harbaugh's insistence on sticking with his guys reminds me of Billick sticking with Boller to the bitter end.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Harbaughs not going to surround hmiself with the best coaches or he would have got rid of Marty and Pees and quit he wants to be the smartest guy in the room that's why he fired jim Zorn as QB coach because flacco liked him and he knows X's and O's

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Harbaugh's insistence on sticking with his guys reminds me of Billick sticking with Boller to the bitter end.

You hit the nail on the head

[The Greek]

hope it works out

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Why was this article even written? It is basically a cut and paste portion from another article. Here I thought I was going to get some sort of information about WHO these people actually are supposed to be. Instead I get a repeat of what I read on this site yesterday.

[BiggMack91]

it sucks to be a ravens fan next year will be 8-8

[EdTheMythicalOne]

10 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

it sucks to be a ravens fan next year will be 8-8

I used to give this team the benefit of the doubt and buy into what we're being told about our draft picks.

Not so much coming into next season. With the absolute lack of attention to detail, repeated mistakes on offense, defense, and with the time management, the striking out on our top two picks over the last few seasons...I am in a wait and prove it to me on the field mode.

Keeping the same coaches on staff that have been responsible for these mistakes is the first spoke in the wheel to leave me doubting next season will be much different.

If the problem isn't the coaching staff, then the problem is the players. Are the players just not talented enough? Are they too stupid to get it? Are they smart emough and talented enough but they just don't fit the scheme? And if it is the players, then who is responsible for drafting them?

The first step to correcting a problem is admitting you have one. The Ravens front office and coaching staff seems to be stating rather blatantly it isn't them.

[Grapple Raven]

As for changes to the coaching staff, I may be in the minority here but:

The rushing stats since Castillo was brought in in his first full season in 2013-2014:

2013-0214:  30th in rushing yards, 30th in rushing yards per game, 32nd in rushing yards per attempt.

2015-2016:  26th in rushing yards and 26th in rushing yards per game, 24th in rushing yards per attempt.

2016-2017:  28th in rushing yards, 28th in rushing yards per game, 21st in rushing yards per attempt.

 

The one outlier was 2014-2015 when Kubiak was here with Dennison helping installing Kubiak's strategies with the offensive line:

2014-2015:  8th in rushing yards, 8th in rushing yards per game, 7th in rushing yards per attempt.

 

You have to ask the question is this why we aren't running the ball more?  Because we can't run it with any success?  We had lesser backs than probably what Castillo had in all those years, especially since Kubiak's year was without Ray Rice and he did much better.   What is Harbs seeing in those stats or is he blinded by loyalty?  Castillo might can coach fundamentals and technique, but he has no business being in charge of a run game, offensive line or whatever the hell title Harbs gives him to justify his job.  The common denominator in the stats above is Castillo.  This is beyond ridiculous.

These stats don't point to personnel so much as they do to coaching.  If Harbs is being honest about running the ball more, these stats just can not be ignored.  We need a fresh new face for an offensive line coach who is not Castillo.

[The Greek]

As for changes to the coaching staff, I may be in the minority here but:

The rushing stats since Castillo was brought in in his first full season in 2013-2014:

2013-0214:  30th in rushing yards, 30th in rushing yards per game, 32nd in rushing yards per attempt.

2015-2016:  26th in rushing yards and 26th in rushing yards per game, 24th in rushing yards per attempt.

2016-2017:  28th in rushing yards, 28th in rushing yards per game, 21st in rushing yards per attempt.

 

The one outlier was 2014-2015 when Kubiak was here with Dennison helping installing Kubiak's strategies with the offensive line:

2014-2015:  8th in rushing yards, 8th in rushing yards per game, 7th in rushing yards per attempt.

 

You have to ask the question is this why we aren't running the ball more?  Because we can't run it with any success?  We had lesser backs than probably what Castillo had in all those years, especially since Kubiak's year was without Ray Rice and he did much better.   What is Harbs seeing in those stats or is he blinded by loyalty?  Castillo might can coach fundamentals and technique, but he has no business being in charge of a run game, offensive line or whatever the hell title Harbs gives him to justify his job.  The common denominator in the stats above is Castillo.  This is beyond ridiculous.

These stats don't point to personnel so much as they do to coaching.  If Harbs is being honest about running the ball more, these stats just can not be ignored.  We need a fresh new face for an offensive line coach who is not Castillo.

i agree with you but harbs has stated he will stick with him. we can only hope it gets better

[EdTheMythicalOne]

1 minute ago, The Greek said:

i agree with you but harbs has stated he will stick with him. we can only hope it gets better

 

15 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

As for changes to the coaching staff, I may be in the minority here but:

The rushing stats since Castillo was brought in in his first full season in 2013-2014:

2013-0214:  30th in rushing yards, 30th in rushing yards per game, 32nd in rushing yards per attempt.

2015-2016:  26th in rushing yards and 26th in rushing yards per game, 24th in rushing yards per attempt.

2016-2017:  28th in rushing yards, 28th in rushing yards per game, 21st in rushing yards per attempt.

 

The one outlier was 2014-2015 when Kubiak was here with Dennison helping installing Kubiak's strategies with the offensive line:

2014-2015:  8th in rushing yards, 8th in rushing yards per game, 7th in rushing yards per attempt.

 

You have to ask the question is this why we aren't running the ball more?  Because we can't run it with any success?  We had lesser backs than probably what Castillo had in all those years, especially since Kubiak's year was without Ray Rice and he did much better.   What is Harbs seeing in those stats or is he blinded by loyalty?  Castillo might can coach fundamentals and technique, but he has no business being in charge of a run game, offensive line or whatever the hell title Harbs gives him to justify his job.  The common denominator in the stats above is Castillo.  This is beyond ridiculous.

These stats don't point to personnel so much as they do to coaching.  If Harbs is being honest about running the ball more, these stats just can not be ignored.  We need a fresh new face for an offensive line coach who is not Castillo.

I'd make the same case about Bobby Engram. The only talent we have from the WR's is the talent we import, not the talent we draft or develop. None of our outside receivers seem to be capable of getting open at all against zone coverage or press coverage. It is almost as if our guys run their pattern and if they're not open because the defense is playing zone, they just stop. "I'm not open so I guess the play is over. I'm not going to try to work back to my QB or anything."

So again what is the issue here? Are the plays the issue? Is the coaching the issue? Are the players the issue? All I know is this is the same problem I've seen with our receivers for years now and nothing changes at the WR coaching position.

[Grapple Raven]

Just now, EdTheMythicalOne said:

 

I'd make the same case about Bobby Engram. The only talent we have from the WR's is the talent we import, not the talent we draft or develop. None of our outside receivers seem to be capable of getting open at all against zone coverage or press coverage. It is almost as if our guys run their pattern and if they're not open because the defense is playing zone, they just stop. "I'm not open so I guess the play is over. I'm not going to try to work back to my QB or anything."

So again what is the issue here? Are the plays the issue? Is the coaching the issue? Are the players the issue? All I know is this is the same problem I've seen with our receivers for years now and nothing changes at the WR coaching position.

I agree, he would be the other offensive coach I would replace.

[bluehen]

Please no one from the Eagles!

[mrc724]

Finally, Harbaugh is looking to upgrade the offensive coaching staff. Looking into college coaches is a real very good idea. Please stay away from the Good Old Boy Network, your friends who haven't done good jobs elsewhere. A strong Quarterback coach is a necessity.

[Crusader]

Harbaugh's insistence on sticking with his guys reminds me of Billick sticking with Boller to the bitter end.

Both won two North Division Titles and one Superbowl.

[mrc724]

  19 minutes ago, The Greek said:

i agree with you but harbs has stated he will stick with him. we can only hope it gets better

 

  33 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

As for changes to the coaching staff, I may be in the minority here but:

The rushing stats since Castillo was brought in in his first full season in 2013-2014:

2013-0214:  30th in rushing yards, 30th in rushing yards per game, 32nd in rushing yards per attempt.

2015-2016:  26th in rushing yards and 26th in rushing yards per game, 24th in rushing yards per attempt.

2016-2017:  28th in rushing yards, 28th in rushing yards per game, 21st in rushing yards per attempt.

 

The one outlier was 2014-2015 when Kubiak was here with Dennison helping installing Kubiak's strategies with the offensive line:

2014-2015:  8th in rushing yards, 8th in rushing yards per game, 7th in rushing yards per attempt.

 

You have to ask the question is this why we aren't running the ball more?  Because we can't run it with any success?  We had lesser backs than probably what Castillo had in all those years, especially since Kubiak's year was without Ray Rice and he did much better.   What is Harbs seeing in those stats or is he blinded by loyalty?  Castillo might can coach fundamentals and technique, but he has no business being in charge of a run game, offensive line or whatever the hell title Harbs gives him to justify his job.  The common denominator in the stats above is Castillo.  This is beyond ridiculous.

These stats don't point to personnel so much as they do to coaching.  If Harbs is being honest about running the ball more, these stats just can not be ignored.  We need a fresh new face for an offensive line coach who is not Castillo.

I'd make the same case about Bobby Engram. The only talent we have from the WR's is the talent we import, not the talent we draft or develop. None of our outside receivers seem to be capable of getting open at all against zone coverage or press coverage. It is almost as if our guys run their pattern and if they're not open because the defense is playing zone, they just stop. "I'm not open so I guess the play is over. I'm not going to try to work back to my QB or anything."

So again what is the issue here? Are the plays the issue? Is the coaching the issue? Are the players the issue? All I know is this is the same problem I've seen with our receivers for years now and nothing changes at the WR coaching position.

Good point that the receiver don't work hard enough to get open. Look at other running backs in the league, when there's initial contact they stop. They don't keep their legs moving, they just collapse. The journeymen receivers don't seem motivated. Other receivers lay out to make catches, if the ball doesn't hit them in the hands, it's like oh well. Even when the ball hits them in the hands they don't catch the ball. We need a coach that can teach the receivers to work free. Watch the Steelers and Patriots, receivers who can get open. How does Julian Edelman get open so often, he's a tough guy.

[mrc724]

  19 minutes ago, The Greek said:

i agree with you but harbs has stated he will stick with him. we can only hope it gets better

 

  33 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

As for changes to the coaching staff, I may be in the minority here but:

The rushing stats since Castillo was brought in in his first full season in 2013-2014:

2013-0214:  30th in rushing yards, 30th in rushing yards per game, 32nd in rushing yards per attempt.

2015-2016:  26th in rushing yards and 26th in rushing yards per game, 24th in rushing yards per attempt.

2016-2017:  28th in rushing yards, 28th in rushing yards per game, 21st in rushing yards per attempt.

 

The one outlier was 2014-2015 when Kubiak was here with Dennison helping installing Kubiak's strategies with the offensive line:

2014-2015:  8th in rushing yards, 8th in rushing yards per game, 7th in rushing yards per attempt.

 

You have to ask the question is this why we aren't running the ball more?  Because we can't run it with any success?  We had lesser backs than probably what Castillo had in all those years, especially since Kubiak's year was without Ray Rice and he did much better.   What is Harbs seeing in those stats or is he blinded by loyalty?  Castillo might can coach fundamentals and technique, but he has no business being in charge of a run game, offensive line or whatever the hell title Harbs gives him to justify his job.  The common denominator in the stats above is Castillo.  This is beyond ridiculous.

These stats don't point to personnel so much as they do to coaching.  If Harbs is being honest about running the ball more, these stats just can not be ignored.  We need a fresh new face for an offensive line coach who is not Castillo.

I'd make the same case about Bobby Engram. The only talent we have from the WR's is the talent we import, not the talent we draft or develop. None of our outside receivers seem to be capable of getting open at all against zone coverage or press coverage. It is almost as if our guys run their pattern and if they're not open because the defense is playing zone, they just stop. "I'm not open so I guess the play is over. I'm not going to try to work back to my QB or anything."

So again what is the issue here? Are the plays the issue? Is the coaching the issue? Are the players the issue? All I know is this is the same problem I've seen with our receivers for years now and nothing changes at the WR coaching position.

Too many old school coaches on the staff, it's a new era, get some young coaching talent in here.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  4 hours ago, Maryland said:

Harbaugh's insistence on sticking with his guys reminds me of Billick sticking with Boller to the bitter end.

Both won two North Division Titles and one Superbowl.

not bad for 19 years between the two sarcastic

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  1 hour ago, Grapple Raven said:

As for changes to the coaching staff, I may be in the minority here but:

The rushing stats since Castillo was brought in in his first full season in 2013-2014:

2013-0214:  30th in rushing yards, 30th in rushing yards per game, 32nd in rushing yards per attempt.

2015-2016:  26th in rushing yards and 26th in rushing yards per game, 24th in rushing yards per attempt.

2016-2017:  28th in rushing yards, 28th in rushing yards per game, 21st in rushing yards per attempt.

 

The one outlier was 2014-2015 when Kubiak was here with Dennison helping installing Kubiak's strategies with the offensive line:

2014-2015:  8th in rushing yards, 8th in rushing yards per game, 7th in rushing yards per attempt.

 

You have to ask the question is this why we aren't running the ball more?  Because we can't run it with any success?  We had lesser backs than probably what Castillo had in all those years, especially since Kubiak's year was without Ray Rice and he did much better.   What is Harbs seeing in those stats or is he blinded by loyalty?  Castillo might can coach fundamentals and technique, but he has no business being in charge of a run game, offensive line or whatever the hell title Harbs gives him to justify his job.  The common denominator in the stats above is Castillo.  This is beyond ridiculous.

These stats don't point to personnel so much as they do to coaching.  If Harbs is being honest about running the ball more, these stats just can not be ignored.  We need a fresh new face for an offensive line coach who is not Castillo.

i agree with you but harbs has stated he will stick with him. we can only hope it gets better

juan should have been fired

[metalraven]

  1 hour ago, Crusader said:

  5 hours ago, Maryland said:

Harbaugh's insistence on sticking with his guys reminds me of Billick sticking with Boller to the bitter end.

Both won two North Division Titles and one Superbowl.

not bad for 19 years between the two sarcastic

It actually isn't bad. Look at the Jets, Browns, Bills, Eagles, Redskins, Raiders, Chargers, Bengals (a case can be made), Rams, Jags, Titans, Lions, Vikings, Bears. Other than the Jags, the rest of this groups has been around a lot longer than the Ravens franchise. They have all had a revolving door of coaches and QBs. Hire, fire, hire, fire, bench, start, bench, start - repeat...and they have nothing to show for it. The Ravens on the other hand, are always in the mix. With very few exceptions, this team always has a legitimate shot. There's a reason for that. It's called continuity. The Ravens and other regularly successful franchise share that commonality.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  2 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  3 hours ago, Crusader said:

  7 hours ago, Maryland said:

Harbaugh's insistence on sticking with his guys reminds me of Billick sticking with Boller to the bitter end.

Both won two North Division Titles and one Superbowl.

not bad for 19 years between the two sarcastic

It actually isn't bad. Look at the Jets, Browns, Bills, Eagles, Redskins, Raiders, Chargers, Bengals (a case can be made), Rams, Jags, Titans, Lions, Vikings, Bears. Other than the Jags, the rest of this groups has been around a lot longer than the Ravens franchise. They have all had a revolving door of coaches and QBs. Hire, fire, hire, fire, bench, start, bench, start - repeat...and they have nothing to show for it. The Ravens on the other hand, are always in the mix. With very few exceptions, this team always has a legitimate shot. There's a reason for that. It's called continuity. The Ravens and other regularly successful franchise share that commonality.

I would rather look at what the patriots coaches have done love or hate BB he is a great coach he has a great QB and a bunch plug in guys nobodys ever heard of and win year after year

[bnyce52]

At this point, I have no idea where the problem is. Front office? Harbs? Coaching staff? Players? Grounds crew? Everybody? Nobody?

Here's what I know. We aren't going to get where we're trying to go if we routinely take guys off our draft board due to character concerns just because we're in a post Ray Rice paranoia, or if we suspect that a player may at some point be disobedient to Harbaugh down the line. Nor do I think that Joe should have every offensive weapon known to man in order to be a half decent QB. I also don't think that it makes sense to surround yourself with a coaching staff that has routinely been blowing it in big moments solely because you have a relationship with them.

For god sake, we were beat by the Jets who played two quarterbacks in the game. Get our defense pumping and get our running game going. Cut, draft, fire, hire... do whatever you need to in order to fix those two problems because right now it looks like our biggest problem is that overall our players just aren't that good.

[metalraven]

  1 hour ago, metalraven said:

  2 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  3 hours ago, Crusader said:

  7 hours ago, Maryland said:

Harbaugh's insistence on sticking with his guys reminds me of Billick sticking with Boller to the bitter end.

Both won two North Division Titles and one Superbowl.

not bad for 19 years between the two sarcastic

It actually isn't bad. Look at the Jets, Browns, Bills, Eagles, Redskins, Raiders, Chargers, Bengals (a case can be made), Rams, Jags, Titans, Lions, Vikings, Bears. Other than the Jags, the rest of this groups has been around a lot longer than the Ravens franchise. They have all had a revolving door of coaches and QBs. Hire, fire, hire, fire, bench, start, bench, start - repeat...and they have nothing to show for it. The Ravens on the other hand, are always in the mix. With very few exceptions, this team always has a legitimate shot. There's a reason for that. It's called continuity. The Ravens and other regularly successful franchise share that commonality.

I would rather look at what the patriots coaches have done love or hate BB he is a great coach he has a great QB and a bunch plug in guys nobodys ever heard of and win year after year

I agree. Patriots have it together; albeit with questionable methods. But their day will end, like everyone else. It won't continue forever. Granted, I'm not happy with the Ravens now; but we have to admit that it's a great organization. Far from perfect, of course; but still a well run franchise that most fans would love to have.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  2 hours ago, metalraven said:

  3 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  4 hours ago, Crusader said:

  7 hours ago, Maryland said:

Harbaugh's insistence on sticking with his guys reminds me of Billick sticking with Boller to the bitter end.

Both won two North Division Titles and one Superbowl.

not bad for 19 years between the two sarcastic

It actually isn't bad. Look at the Jets, Browns, Bills, Eagles, Redskins, Raiders, Chargers, Bengals (a case can be made), Rams, Jags, Titans, Lions, Vikings, Bears. Other than the Jags, the rest of this groups has been around a lot longer than the Ravens franchise. They have all had a revolving door of coaches and QBs. Hire, fire, hire, fire, bench, start, bench, start - repeat...and they have nothing to show for it. The Ravens on the other hand, are always in the mix. With very few exceptions, this team always has a legitimate shot. There's a reason for that. It's called continuity. The Ravens and other regularly successful franchise share that commonality.

I would rather look at what the patriots coaches have done love or hate BB he is a great coach he has a great QB and a bunch plug in guys nobodys ever heard of and win year after year

Good point. I'll also point out BB never reached the same level of success without Brady. Doesn't mean he couldn't but just that he never proved himself without a HoF QB. Winning a few games, when he's sitting due to suspension, does not count either. Great players elevate others around them.

I'm sure any coach's record would be much better with Brady as their QB, just as Harbaugh befitted from players like Lewis and Reed.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  4 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

  4 hours ago, The Greek said:

i agree with you but harbs has stated he will stick with him. we can only hope it gets better

 

  5 hours ago, Grapple Raven said:

As for changes to the coaching staff, I may be in the minority here but:

The rushing stats since Castillo was brought in in his first full season in 2013-2014:

2013-0214:  30th in rushing yards, 30th in rushing yards per game, 32nd in rushing yards per attempt.

2015-2016:  26th in rushing yards and 26th in rushing yards per game, 24th in rushing yards per attempt.

2016-2017:  28th in rushing yards, 28th in rushing yards per game, 21st in rushing yards per attempt.

 

The one outlier was 2014-2015 when Kubiak was here with Dennison helping installing Kubiak's strategies with the offensive line:

2014-2015:  8th in rushing yards, 8th in rushing yards per game, 7th in rushing yards per attempt.

 

You have to ask the question is this why we aren't running the ball more?  Because we can't run it with any success?  We had lesser backs than probably what Castillo had in all those years, especially since Kubiak's year was without Ray Rice and he did much better.   What is Harbs seeing in those stats or is he blinded by loyalty?  Castillo might can coach fundamentals and technique, but he has no business being in charge of a run game, offensive line or whatever the hell title Harbs gives him to justify his job.  The common denominator in the stats above is Castillo.  This is beyond ridiculous.

These stats don't point to personnel so much as they do to coaching.  If Harbs is being honest about running the ball more, these stats just can not be ignored.  We need a fresh new face for an offensive line coach who is not Castillo.

I'd make the same case about Bobby Engram. The only talent we have from the WR's is the talent we import, not the talent we draft or develop. None of our outside receivers seem to be capable of getting open at all against zone coverage or press coverage. It is almost as if our guys run their pattern and if they're not open because the defense is playing zone, they just stop. "I'm not open so I guess the play is over. I'm not going to try to work back to my QB or anything."

So again what is the issue here? Are the plays the issue? Is the coaching the issue? Are the players the issue? All I know is this is the same problem I've seen with our receivers for years now and nothing changes at the WR coaching position.

Good point that the receiver don't work hard enough to get open. Look at other running backs in the league, when there's initial contact they stop. They don't keep their legs moving, they just collapse. The journeymen receivers don't seem motivated. Other receivers lay out to make catches, if the ball doesn't hit them in the hands, it's like oh well. Even when the ball hits them in the hands they don't catch the ball. We need a coach that can teach the receivers to work free. Watch the Steelers and Patriots, receivers who can get open. How does Julian Edelman get open so often, he's a tough guy.

Mostly it's timing and that knowing the ball is coming whether your are there or not. If you are not there it's your fault. If it's your fault too often, you don't get snaps or as many.

Kubiak's system was the same and was tied to footwork (3 step, 5 step or 7 step draw) so the ball always was coming at the right time. Defenders cannot defend the timing only try to disrupt it. Not a hard concept really, yet it seems too allusive to the Ravens offensive scheme. MARTY if you reading or hear about this fix it. I know you can.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Harbaugh's insistence on sticking with his guys reminds me of Billick sticking with Boller to the bitter end.

It's not the bitter end until Harbaugh's balding. This year was growing pains. The fact no one called these last few seasons a rebuild mode doesn't erase the fact there are growing pains to be expected.

Compared to last season, this season was much better overall. Yes there is room for improvement, but overall there is more to be content with that dissatisfied.

1. Address the CB need this offseason, no excuses.
2.Address the offense and get it locked before training camp opens, or it will be a repeat of last season going into a season just guessing what will happen.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Nobody believes in this organization right now. Slowly eroding fan trust

I believe. I am also never satisfied, which drives me to become better than I was. Being tough on yourself to realize your potential is necessary to see growth. If you think otherwise you are fooling yourself.

[Deeks]

Adding more staff to promote one of them to OC after Marty is canned a few weeks into the 2017 season.