[News] Eisenberg: Regardless Of Who Is Coordinator, Ravens' Offensive Philosophy Needs A Makeover

[gooftroop]

They tried to make Joe a nine passes in a 13-play drive kind of qb, and it didn't work. He simply isn't consistent enough in his reads, and his throws. We need to get the ball down the field, and I don't mean a deep fly, and a prayer. Whatever happened to those deep outs and seam patterns we had so much success with in the past? Let's play to Joe's strengths, not his weaknesses.

[lowcountryraven]

Joe will have the whole off season being healthy to work with Perriman, Moore, Campanero, Wallace,Williams, Boyle, Pitta, Waller and Gillmore. I think we have some talent there but always could use more. I would like to see everyone be on the same page which was not the case this year. So many drives stalled because of it. I know there are so many other issues to make this team better but at least I have some optimism about knowing that with all the time, baring injuries, that Joe will have to develop his receiver relationships, quick reads, give what the defensive is giving you, and make the right routes, Besides Pitta, these relationships could blossom. Hope springs eternal! Having said that, We still need to run the ball effectively and at least be at 40% run to pass ratio to make the offense work. Let's see Joe be a leader this off season and demand his receivers on the roster to put the extra time in with him. How many times did we see Joe through to a spot and the receivers were clueless and drives stalled. I believe we lost at least two games because of it. Build those relationships Joe. Be a professional and hone your craft. There are no more excuses.

[Crusader]

Just think, Kubiak gave John's team one winning season. Many were saying Ray Ed, and Pollard was too old and could not play anymore an should have retired years ago but yet they managed to take the Ravens into the Superbowl but now for three years Ravens can't even get a winning record?

[gregob56]

watching the press conference they will hire a qb coach with off coord exp. to cover harbs butt if the offense is crappy again.

If Offense is crappy again, Harbs is out. As a businessman, would you keep a sales manager who had less than mediocre sales 4 out of 5 seasons? Don't see Steve doing it and he's a much smarter man than me.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I think part of the issue to try to make Flacco into something he isn't is self-inflicted.

Bisciotti wanted to go with Matt Ryan. Say what you want about Ryan's post season record, but if you look at the overall stats I think we can say that Matt might be a better pure passer than Flacco. If you put Matt Ryan on the Ravens, chances are he'd probably go to playoffs and win some as well, maybe even a superbowl. The Falcons never had a great defense. He wanted Ryan so badly he was telling his team to stop "coveting picks" (he used more colorful language) and to trade them to move up to get Ryan at #2.

The front office sold him on Flacco. They said he was the guy. Now, Flacco did a great job when they used him in the proper system. He could manage a game with a good ground game and he could make big plays with the right blend of targets to throw to. He wins a superbowl, he gets paid. Now the front office is trying to prove to their owner how right they were and turn Flacco into something he isn't. Flacco isn't Peyton Manning. Flacco isn't Tom Brady. I do not like Tom Brady on a personal level. But I can't knock what he gets done on the field and he gets it done because he works his butt off. He took the position of his draft and placed that big chip on his shoulder and said, "I'll show them." He studied, studied, studied and continues to study to this day until the day he went all ice in his veins and daggers in his eyes to Drew Bledsoe and was like, "You slipped. You let me play, now you're not getting this job back."

"Cool Joe" doesn't seem to have that same kind of blood. The other thing I don't see is coaches challenging or speaking to their players after an idiotic play. Where's the accountability? Flacco tosses a pick in the endzone in Cincinnati...the cardinal sin. What do you see after that? He's sitting on the sidelines with a tablet that looks like something my 3 year old nephew uses talking to some other player (wasn't even a receiver...think it was a RB) and he's not looking upset at all. In fact he's got a smirk on his face as they talk about something. Where's the OC? Where's the QB coach? Where's the receiver he missed the connection with?

[BallsoHard622]

  7 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

  11 hours ago, mrc724 said:

  15 hours ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

  15 hours ago, metalraven said:

haha - I know, right? The opponent's offense is on their own 25 and the Ravens CBs are in the tunnel, behind the FG posts.

How many times have we seen it? I mean if its 3rd and 6 our CB's are playing off at least 8-10 yards

 

We have to jam their receivers. It's better than giving them a 5 to 10 yard head start. Our receivers can't off the line because they are jammed.

You can't jam the wr with the corners we have. They are undersized an not talented enough to do that. So that's why pees has them playing a mile away from the line of scrimmage. Until we get better corners you will always see them playing off.

No its not they are big enough to jam J Smith 6-2 and he doesn't jam a midget can jam its pees coaching style and they make the same excuses each year different players same results also this 10 yards off stuff is pees philosophy its been that way since he got hear he doesn't want guys to get beat deep and has them playing scared if they were 10 yards off the ball and weren't supposed to be you would see coaches yelling to them to more up and they would get benched

I understand what your saying but what I'm saying is size does matter in a lot of cases when wr are 6 foot an over 200 pounds. Not all the time but sometimes. A lot of coaches use the off man concept but the difference is those corners are better man an zone corners an can make plays on the ball. Our corners outside of jimmy smith aren't good enough to jam or play zone or off man, ( tavon is good but he's a rookie an will be better down the road).

[CQ1]

Yes- the philosophy of just keep it close until the last drive, keep checking down to avoid running the ball/ to pad Joes passing yards, pass to stop the clock when you should be running it (while throwing interceptions), pass on first down intro double teams when you are inside the 10- also on first down, have a head coach and a quarterback that know when this is wrong- but do not try to stop it, keep blowing smoke on knaive fans. Yes. A great philosophy.
Blow smoke like a Raven

[BallsoHard622]

I think part of the issue to try to make Flacco into something he isn't is self-inflicted.

Bisciotti wanted to go with Matt Ryan. Say what you want about Ryan's post season record, but if you look at the overall stats I think we can say that Matt might be a better pure passer than Flacco. If you put Matt Ryan on the Ravens, chances are he'd probably go to playoffs and win some as well, maybe even a superbowl. The Falcons never had a great defense. He wanted Ryan so badly he was telling his team to stop "coveting picks" (he used more colorful language) and to trade them to move up to get Ryan at #2.

The front office sold him on Flacco. They said he was the guy. Now, Flacco did a great job when they used him in the proper system. He could manage a game with a good ground game and he could make big plays with the right blend of targets to throw to. He wins a superbowl, he gets paid. Now the front office is trying to prove to their owner how right they were and turn Flacco into something he isn't. Flacco isn't Peyton Manning. Flacco isn't Tom Brady. I do not like Tom Brady on a personal level. But I can't knock what he gets done on the field and he gets it done because he works his butt off. He took the position of his draft and placed that big chip on his shoulder and said, "I'll show them." He studied, studied, studied and continues to study to this day until the day he went all ice in his veins and daggers in his eyes to Drew Bledsoe and was like, "You slipped. You let me play, now you're not getting this job back."

"Cool Joe" doesn't seem to have that same kind of blood. The other thing I don't see is coaches challenging or speaking to their players after an idiotic play. Where's the accountability? Flacco tosses a pick in the endzone in Cincinnati...the cardinal sin. What do you see after that? He's sitting on the sidelines with a tablet that looks like something my 3 year old nephew uses talking to some other player (wasn't even a receiver...think it was a RB) and he's not looking upset at all. In fact he's got a smirk on his face as they talk about something. Where's the OC? Where's the QB coach? Where's the receiver he missed the connection with?

I'm with you with Ryan we would be bananas. He's a way better passer than flacco an I believe flacco benifited from a talented team with some HOf on it an some real good pieces around him to win the Super Bowl. No really good running game an no talent at wr an flacco looks crap...period.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

51 minutes ago, BallsoHard622 said:

I'm with you with Ryan we would be bananas. He's a way better passer than flacco an I believe flacco benifited from a talented team with some HOf on it an some real good pieces around him to win the Super Bowl. No really good running game an no talent at wr an flacco looks crap...period.

Most QB's would look like crud with no running game and no talent at WR.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  6 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  8 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

  12 hours ago, mrc724 said:

  16 hours ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

  16 hours ago, metalraven said:

haha - I know, right? The opponent's offense is on their own 25 and the Ravens CBs are in the tunnel, behind the FG posts.

How many times have we seen it? I mean if its 3rd and 6 our CB's are playing off at least 8-10 yards

 

We have to jam their receivers. It's better than giving them a 5 to 10 yard head start. Our receivers can't off the line because they are jammed.

You can't jam the wr with the corners we have. They are undersized an not talented enough to do that. So that's why pees has them playing a mile away from the line of scrimmage. Until we get better corners you will always see them playing off.

No its not they are big enough to jam J Smith 6-2 and he doesn't jam a midget can jam its pees coaching style and they make the same excuses each year different players same results also this 10 yards off stuff is pees philosophy its been that way since he got hear he doesn't want guys to get beat deep and has them playing scared if they were 10 yards off the ball and weren't supposed to be you would see coaches yelling to them to more up and they would get benched

I understand what your saying but what I'm saying is size does matter in a lot of cases when wr are 6 foot an over 200 pounds. Not all the time but sometimes. A lot of coaches use the off man concept but the difference is those corners are better man an zone corners an can make plays on the ball. Our corners outside of jimmy smith aren't good enough to jam or play zone or off man, ( tavon is good but he's a rookie an will be better down the road).

When you have smaller CB's they actually have 1 advantage over tall receivers jam 1 hand into sternum and it slows them down you just need to knock the timing off a fraction of a second .and you are right about off coverage it is good to mix things up and depends on situation but when the CB is outside the stadium it doesn't work they should be 3 to 5 yards off max to allow time to drive on the ball and recover with pees SOFT and OFF coverage he gives up to much ground for a player to contest a catch 10 yards is just to much you only see it in pees coached defense

[sami]

we had plenty of talent at WR and at TE. The problem is Joe. Now I love Joe, I really do but hes not the kind of QB that can carry a team. Hes in that bad spot of being too good to let go but not good enough to be great. It puts the Ravens in a bind. They don't help him with the stupid routes they have the receivers run (all receivers at the same depth on the field) and the blocking schemes aint helping either but Joe doesn't see the open man and he doesn't move around real good and contrary to a lot of people, hes not real accurate on a lot of deep throws. Maybe if Marty can simplify our offense and change the scheme we can win some games.

[sami]

The bottom line is Flacco's mechanics sucked.
1.We didn't replace KO who was a big part of the run game.
2.Our coaching was up an down all year on both sides of the ball.
3.We didn't do nearly enough for years when it came to bringing in quality corners.
4.We've missed on draft picks, Elam max Williams an our second and third round picks this year were a waste. We should've drafted an offensive lineman an a corner instead of the inside lb an def end.

Maxx Williams was hurt and he set rookie records for TEs. Lets not be too hasty to call someone a bust

[crazyboutravens]

After watching our offense vs. Bengals I am not sure we even have a philosophy for our offense.

[crazyboutravens]

Everyone seems to think we are borderline on talent at WR. My point is they are
talented but we do not use them enough. Wallace should get 8 to 10 targets per
game. VS. Bengals he had 4 catches for 30 plus yards. That is just plain stupid.
That is not why we signed him.

[mrc724]

Get some nasty road graders in here, get back to smash mouth football. Maybe Zues would be interesting, finesse isn't working, no more Mister nice guy. Get back to the Mantra, "we'll eat your lunch"'

[mrc724]

How can the Ravens look so good against Miami, the season looked promising, then el-floppo. Did the Ravens get too cocky?

[mrc724]

Our late game defensive strategy has to change. We had leads late in the game. Teams make adjustments to what the Ravens are doing. We don't take any counter measures. If we don't generate much of pass rush with four linemen. What makes you think, we can do it with three, simple math, DAH. Stop playing to lose, yet we give away the game. Too much old school.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

20 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Zone coverage calls for CB to be 8-10 yards off the line - Cover 2, Cover 3, Cover 4, Cover 6. It's standard with every team in the NFL and college. Unless you're playing press coverage, that's exactly where they should be. And we don't have the corners to play press. That's like saying why does the RB line up behind the QB, 5 yards from the LOS on 3rd & 1. Line up under center would be way better that way, he only has to gain 2 yards instead of 6.

I understand that. My point was we watch them get consistently burned for 1st downs all the time. I guess it might be time to get guys who can earn their money and press cover.

[BallsoHard622]

  19 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

The bottom line is Flacco's mechanics sucked.
1.We didn't replace KO who was a big part of the run game.
2.Our coaching was up an down all year on both sides of the ball.
3.We didn't do nearly enough for years when it came to bringing in quality corners.
4.We've missed on draft picks, Elam max Williams an our second and third round picks this year were a waste. We should've drafted an offensive lineman an a corner instead of the inside lb an def end.

Maxx Williams was hurt and he set rookie records for TEs. Lets not be too hasty to call someone a bust

Not calling him a bust but he hasn't beat out other tight ends on the roster. I didn't think we needed to draft a te at that spot when corner an oline was more important. Especially corner!

[BallsoHard622]

  11 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

  17 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  19 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

  23 hours ago, mrc724 said:

  On January 3, 2017 at 5:23 PM, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

  On January 3, 2017 at 5:21 PM, metalraven said:

haha - I know, right? The opponent's offense is on their own 25 and the Ravens CBs are in the tunnel, behind the FG posts.

How many times have we seen it? I mean if its 3rd and 6 our CB's are playing off at least 8-10 yards

 

We have to jam their receivers. It's better than giving them a 5 to 10 yard head start. Our receivers can't off the line because they are jammed.

You can't jam the wr with the corners we have. They are undersized an not talented enough to do that. So that's why pees has them playing a mile away from the line of scrimmage. Until we get better corners you will always see them playing off.

No its not they are big enough to jam J Smith 6-2 and he doesn't jam a midget can jam its pees coaching style and they make the same excuses each year different players same results also this 10 yards off stuff is pees philosophy its been that way since he got hear he doesn't want guys to get beat deep and has them playing scared if they were 10 yards off the ball and weren't supposed to be you would see coaches yelling to them to more up and they would get benched

I understand what your saying but what I'm saying is size does matter in a lot of cases when wr are 6 foot an over 200 pounds. Not all the time but sometimes. A lot of coaches use the off man concept but the difference is those corners are better man an zone corners an can make plays on the ball. Our corners outside of jimmy smith aren't good enough to jam or play zone or off man, ( tavon is good but he's a rookie an will be better down the road).

When you have smaller CB's they actually have 1 advantage over tall receivers jam 1 hand into sternum and it slows them down you just need to knock the timing off a fraction of a second .and you are right about off coverage it is good to mix things up and depends on situation but when the CB is outside the stadium it doesn't work they should be 3 to 5 yards off max to allow time to drive on the ball and recover with pees SOFT and OFF coverage he gives up to much ground for a player to contest a catch 10 yards is just to much you only see it in pees coached defense

Outside the stadium...lmao!! I'm with you but our corners outside of jimmy aren't good with that or anything else.pees has them play off the ball to keep everything in front them so they don't get beat deep. He'd rather them rally up an tackle then get cooked. We need to invest heavily in corners this offseason. Good cover corners will really help our pass rush as well.

[BallsoHard622]

  11 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

I'm with you with Ryan we would be bananas. He's a way better passer than flacco an I believe flacco benifited from a talented team with some HOf on it an some real good pieces around him to win the Super Bowl. No really good running game an no talent at wr an flacco looks crap...period.

Most QB's would look like crud with no running game and no talent at WR.

Your right most would but some can improvise an make up for some of it. Flacco needs it all to perform well.

[sizzlingdoom]

  12 hours ago, sami said:

  21 hours ago, BallsoHard622 said:

The bottom line is Flacco's mechanics sucked.
1.We didn't replace KO who was a big part of the run game.
2.Our coaching was up an down all year on both sides of the ball.
3.We didn't do nearly enough for years when it came to bringing in quality corners.
4.We've missed on draft picks, Elam max Williams an our second and third round picks this year were a waste. We should've drafted an offensive lineman an a corner instead of the inside lb an def end.

Maxx Williams was hurt and he set rookie records for TEs. Lets not be too hasty to call someone a bust

Not calling him a bust but he hasn't beat out other tight ends on the roster. I didn't think we needed to draft a te at that spot when corner an oline was more important. Especially corner!

He is most definitely approaching bust territory. No doubt about it

[sizzlingdoom]

Worst coached season in franchise history. Here's an idea, let's bring them all back though even though they cost us a legitimate chance at another ring. Wake up Steve

[OzzieBisciotti]

maxx Williams = matt elam

[J.O.14]

  18 hours ago, sami said:

  On ‎1‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 4:24 AM, BallsoHard622 said:

The bottom line is Flacco's mechanics sucked.
1.We didn't replace KO who was a big part of the run game.
2.Our coaching was up an down all year on both sides of the ball.
3.We didn't do nearly enough for years when it came to bringing in quality corners.
4.We've missed on draft picks, Elam max Williams an our second and third round picks this year were a waste. We should've drafted an offensive lineman an a corner instead of the inside lb an def end.

Maxx Williams was hurt and he set rookie records for TEs. Lets not be too hasty to call someone a bust

Not calling him a bust but he hasn't beat out other tight ends on the roster. I didn't think we needed to draft a te at that spot when corner an oline was more important. Especially corner!

At the time, Gilmore was the only TE that was worth anything on our roster. Pitta's future was very much up in the air when we drafted Maxx Williams. TE was a need that draft, and he was the best available. And for goodness sake, the kid was hurt this year. How can he be a bust when he was hurt? He set the franchise record for catches by a rookie TE, and possibly yards. Talk about writing people off....

[J.O.14]

I think part of the issue to try to make Flacco into something he isn't is self-inflicted.

Bisciotti wanted to go with Matt Ryan. Say what you want about Ryan's post season record, but if you look at the overall stats I think we can say that Matt might be a better pure passer than Flacco. If you put Matt Ryan on the Ravens, chances are he'd probably go to playoffs and win some as well, maybe even a superbowl. The Falcons never had a great defense. He wanted Ryan so badly he was telling his team to stop "coveting picks" (he used more colorful language) and to trade them to move up to get Ryan at #2.

The front office sold him on Flacco. They said he was the guy. Now, Flacco did a great job when they used him in the proper system. He could manage a game with a good ground game and he could make big plays with the right blend of targets to throw to. He wins a superbowl, he gets paid. Now the front office is trying to prove to their owner how right they were and turn Flacco into something he isn't. Flacco isn't Peyton Manning. Flacco isn't Tom Brady. I do not like Tom Brady on a personal level. But I can't knock what he gets done on the field and he gets it done because he works his butt off. He took the position of his draft and placed that big chip on his shoulder and said, "I'll show them." He studied, studied, studied and continues to study to this day until the day he went all ice in his veins and daggers in his eyes to Drew Bledsoe and was like, "You slipped. You let me play, now you're not getting this job back."

"Cool Joe" doesn't seem to have that same kind of blood. The other thing I don't see is coaches challenging or speaking to their players after an idiotic play. Where's the accountability? Flacco tosses a pick in the endzone in Cincinnati...the cardinal sin. What do you see after that? He's sitting on the sidelines with a tablet that looks like something my 3 year old nephew uses talking to some other player (wasn't even a receiver...think it was a RB) and he's not looking upset at all. In fact he's got a smirk on his face as they talk about something. Where's the OC? Where's the QB coach? Where's the receiver he missed the connection with?

I actually agree with a majority of this. I do believe we are trying to make Flacco something he is not, or trying to put to much on his shoulders. We have gotten away from Ravens football since 2012 (exception is 2014 season). We throw way to much. I want to see us get back to having a balanced attack and still be able to mix it up. When you become one dimensional on the offensive side of the ball, you're not going to be successful. Dree Brees is arguably the best pure passer in football, but how much success has he had lately with no running game? Now I don't really care about the Matt Ryan and Flacco argument. We got Flacco, he had one of the best post seasons ever, and won a SB. Ryan has had some great teams in Atlanta, and still didn't succeed. He could change that this year for sure, but I'm not going to say I'd take him over Flacco. I appreciate what Flacco has done for us.

Our coaching staff needs to get back to what got us to the post season the first 5 years of his career. And Flacco's contract doesn't prevent that.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

18 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

maxx Williams = matt elam

God I hope not! I am willing to give Williams a little more of a chance just like we did for Elam but Elam was a straight-up 1ST ROUND BUST!!!

Edited January 6 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[thegooddoc456]

Worst coached season in franchise history. Here's an idea, let's bring them all back though even though they cost us a legitimate chance at another ring. Wake up Steve

Steve is a business man, can't vouch for his football knowledge, given his lack of action as Harbaugh continues to wreck his once revered franchise.

[good_n_purple]

How can the Ravens look so good against Miami, the season looked promising, then el-floppo. Did the Ravens get too cocky?

Miami is a pretender. Their defensive backfield is worse than ours, and once you figure out Ajayi you have it made.

[good_n_purple]

  On ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 2:07 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

Worst coached season in franchise history. Here's an idea, let's bring them all back though even though they cost us a legitimate chance at another ring. Wake up Steve

Steve is a business man, can't vouch for his football knowledge, given his lack of action as Harbaugh continues to wreck his once revered franchise.

All I can say is his patience is far greater than mine. Harbs and his "we have to get better" would be gone. Get better somewhere else.