No changes made to top coaching staff? Lower level changes, though.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

To everyone wishing they would have fired the OC's... can you tell me who you wanted instead?

Because if said guy is hoping for a HC job, would you have been willing to wait until all the HC vacancies had been filled to conduct interviews, and then if said candidate(s) dont get a HC job, then also have to contend with all the job opps with new staffs being filled, and other OC holes being filled? Because in this event, Marty is going to interview elsewhere as well. He's not going to wait until we decide if we want him or not, because if we find someone else then he's screwed.

So, would you have been ok if Marty got hired elsewhere and we didnt McCoy, Norv, or (really idk what other candidates ppl are even interested in over Marty at this point, that are actually realistic) whoever else? 

 

Its fun to complain that we dont want Marty back... but whats practical is identifying a real solution to the problem, and then evaluating the potential repercussions,. risk vs reward of that scenario. And, to be honest, i dont know how with the current landscape you could prefer the devil you dont know with that process over the devil you do with Marty.... unless you're truly of the mindset that anything  was better than him.

[Ravensdoordie]

26 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

To everyone wishing they would have fired the OC's... can you tell me who you wanted instead?

Because if said guy is hoping for a HC job, would you have been willing to wait until all the HC vacancies had been filled to conduct interviews, and then if said candidate(s) dont get a HC job, then also have to contend with all the job opps with new staffs being filled, and other OC holes being filled? Because in this event, Marty is going to interview elsewhere as well. He's not going to wait until we decide if we want him or not, because if we find someone else then he's screwed.

So, would you have been ok if Marty got hired elsewhere and we didnt McCoy, Norv, or (really idk what other candidates ppl are even interested in over Marty at this point, that are actually realistic) whoever else? 

 

Its fun to complain that we dont want Marty back... but whats practical is identifying a real solution to the problem, and then evaluating the potential repercussions,. risk vs reward of that scenario. And, to be honest, i dont know how with the current landscape you could prefer the devil you dont know with that process over the devil you do with Marty.... unless you're truly of the mindset that anything  was better than him.

...and to keep him proves what?... He is no better then the ones that came before him... Flacco needs someone that plays to his

strengths and designs plays that make him perform at his best..... So to just keep someone again and say give them a chance one more year is ridiculous.... I would like them to take a chance on ANYBODY ... what harm can it do... We already know the results 

for next year... Same crap and same losses.... Biscotti needs to clean the entire house and start fresh... Hopefully with someone

that thinks outside the box and would take us in another direction....  And at this point I could care less if he got a high school coaching staff..... It wouldn't be any worse then it is now....

 

all of you that keep saying one more year...that has been going on now for how many years?.... And still the same results...

same as with the bengals with Marvin Lewis... They keep him and what good does it do the bengals... They should be the division champs but because of his poor coaching and leadership skills they seldom make the playoffs and when they do it is one and done..... 

 

 

[Moderator 3]

1 hour ago, Ravensdoordie said:

.. They should be the division champs but because of his poor coaching and leadership skills they seldom make the playoffs and when they do it is one and done..... 

Well that's half right.

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, Ravensdoordie said:

...and to keep him proves what?... He is no better then the ones that came before him... Flacco needs someone that plays to his

strengths and designs plays that make him perform at his best..... So to just keep someone again and say give them a chance one more year is ridiculous.... I would like them to take a chance on ANYBODY ... what harm can it do... We already know the results 

for next year... Same crap and same losses.... Biscotti needs to clean the entire house and start fresh... Hopefully with someone

that thinks outside the box and would take us in another direction....  And at this point I could care less if he got a high school coaching staff..... It wouldn't be any worse then it is now....

 

all of you that keep saying one more year...that has been going on now for how many years?.... And still the same results...

same as with the bengals with Marvin Lewis... They keep him and what good does it do the bengals... They should be the division champs but because of his poor coaching and leadership skills they seldom make the playoffs and when they do it is one and done..... 

 

 

I think is general Joe Flacco needs to play better and I think he knows that. I think him and Marty M need to be on the same page and that of course  starts with getting  a good   quarterback coach to do so and Flacco himself working towards becoming a better player than he was last year. I think Flacco in general can be too impatient at times  which in general can lead to him throwing the ball off to a receiver running  shorter route which leads to us Ravens fans believing that  Marty M is only calling a  dink n dunk offense especially if we watching the game from our television, 

[usmccharles]

Sounds like Wade Phillips wont be staying in Denver, I would love to have him here, said it before he went to Denver. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 1/9/2017 at 11:29 AM, Ravensdoordie said:

...and to keep him proves what?... He is no better then the ones that came before him... Flacco needs someone that plays to his

strengths and designs plays that make him perform at his best..... So to just keep someone again and say give them a chance one more year is ridiculous.... I would like them to take a chance on ANYBODY ... what harm can it do... We already know the results 

for next year... Same crap and same losses.... Biscotti needs to clean the entire house and start fresh... Hopefully with someone

that thinks outside the box and would take us in another direction....  And at this point I could care less if he got a high school coaching staff..... It wouldn't be any worse then it is now....

 

all of you that keep saying one more year...that has been going on now for how many years?.... And still the same results...

same as with the bengals with Marvin Lewis... They keep him and what good does it do the bengals... They should be the division champs but because of his poor coaching and leadership skills they seldom make the playoffs and when they do it is one and done..... 

 

 

What OC have we kept for more than a year since Cam Cameron? Who have all these people been saying to give one more year to? No ones stayed much longer than a year since 2012.

Nice try though. Unless you mean Harbs.... in which case, sorry but youre wrong. Youre not going to get much better by hand picking any coach you want from any team in the league, let alone the actual available candidates. Cant get much worse??? Uh, yea it can. Youre whining, and dont have solutions. So, please leave it to the grown ups and professionals to solve.

 

On Marvin Lewis, i probably agree. But what has it done for them??? Taken them from a laughing stock of a franchise to multiple time division champ and annual playoff contender. Which... as most like to forget.... isnt the usual in the NFL. Not many teams can go back to back in the playoffs... let alone 5 years in a row.

Not going to discuss the Bengals though.

 

You dont know what a Marty Mornhinweg Ravens offense looks like. You have no idea. With a full offseason to build it, we're going to find out. The run game will be an emphasis. And it will look much different. I cant guarantee its going to be an amazing offense, but i can guarantee it will be very different. So your same old same old crap doesnt fly.

[allblackraven]

13 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Sounds like Wade Phillips wont be staying in Denver, I would love to have him here, said it before he went to Denver. 

Most likely new Rams DC

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Most likely new Rams DC

That's what I was thinking

[allblackraven]

16 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

That's what I was thinking

There was actually news about McVay getting 2nd interview in LA and apparently his top DC candidate is Phillips.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

That's what I was thinking

Why would he go to that dumpster fire?

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

Why would he go to that dumpster fire?

That defense can be pretty good in Wade's hands

[GrimCoconut]

I'd love to bring in Wade Phillips to be our DC because he's a clear upgrade over Pees imo but I think what saves Pees is that despite his unit's late meltdowns the defense outperformed imo. He has aging pass rushers and is working with an offense that fails to make it easy on the defense and his defense looked bad really when it didn't have #1 CB Jimmy Smith. I think most defenses would struggle without their top CB especially when you consider the depth behind him. Young was good but still a rookie and has both questionable and legitimate penalties called on him while Powers and Wright showed they're best as rotational depth. Not sure how much better Phillips would be but I'd still love him over Pees. Problem is Ravens said they were keeping all their coordinators so it would look bad if we changed our mind and while that's trivial to some it would reflect poorly on us for potential future hirings on our coaching staff that we'd fire someone after publicly endorsing them. 

I think the petitions for another DC should stop for this year unless you're a glutton for disappointment 

[ellicottraven]

15 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Sounds like Wade Phillips wont be staying in Denver, I would love to have him here, said it before he went to Denver. 

Make him a defensive consultant or something ( like we did Al Saunders on offense) like that. Bisciotti isn't shy to allow John to hire as many coaches as he wants and to amass talent on the coaching staff and God knows John Harbaugh definitely needs them.

Edited January 12 by ellicottraven

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'd love to bring in Wade Phillips to be our DC because he's a clear upgrade over Pees imo but I think what saves Pees is that despite his unit's late meltdowns the defense outperformed imo. He has aging pass rushers and is working with an offense that fails to make it easy on the defense and his defense looked bad really when it didn't have #1 CB Jimmy Smith. I think most defenses would struggle without their top CB especially when you consider the depth behind him. Young was good but still a rookie and has both questionable and legitimate penalties called on him while Powers and Wright showed they're best as rotational depth. Not sure how much better Phillips would be but I'd still love him over Pees. Problem is Ravens said they were keeping all their coordinators so it would look bad if we changed our mind and while that's trivial to some it would reflect poorly on us for potential future hirings on our coaching staff that we'd fire someone after publicly endorsing them. 

I think the petitions for another DC should stop for this year unless you're a glutton for disappointment 

Yea... I like Wade Phillips, and wouldnt mind him. I have some issues with Pees, but generally approve of the work hes done especially this year.

I mean, give Pees Talib, Harris Jr, and Roby and then Ware, Von Miller, etc.. im sure no one is complaining and we dont see late game collapses bc they would get home with 4 man rushes and could cover in zone.

Personnel does wonders for a DC

[Moderator 3]

Looks like everyone's favorite guy to hate, Juan Castillo, is moving on to the Bills.  Never understood all the hate on this guy.  He took at least 9 different combinations and coached them into an almost-competent line this year.

[GrimCoconut]

BTW, does anyone else find it strange Kyle Shanahan wasn't hired for any of the open coaching positions yet but other guys got the job before him?   I have to admit that has surprised me so far with how much people wanted him here to replace Harbaugh.  Did he bomb his interviews or something?

[Dubs]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

BTW, does anyone else find it strange Kyle Shanahan wasn't hired for any of the open coaching positions yet but other guys got the job before him?   I have to admit that has surprised me so far with how much people wanted him here to replace Harbaugh.  Did he bomb his interviews or something?

Not overly, think once that first hiring starts teams get antsy and the ones in the playoffs naturally get left behind by teams and owners/GMs who are not overly patient. I was surprised he didn't get the Broncos HC job but it seems more because they just love Vance Joseph, if he wasn't on the market I expect they would have waited for him as they seem like a solid run franchise...As for the team left SF not sure I would place them as a really solidly run franchises right now, but I expect either Shanahan or McDaniels gets the SF job

Edited January 12 by Dubs

[jazz1988]

3 minutes ago, Dubs said:

Not overly, think once that first hiring starts teams get antsy and the ones in the playoffs naturally get left behind by teams and owners/GMs who are not overly patient. I was surprised he didn't get the Broncos HC job but it seems more because they just love Vance Joseph, if he wasn't on the market I expect they would have waited for him as they seem like a solid run franchise...As for the team left SF not sure I would place them as a really solidly run franchises right now, but I expect either Shanahan or McDaniels gets the SF job

From what I read it seem like Kyle really wanted The Broncos head coach job and he was suppose to be the front runner but all of a sudden The Broncos fell in love with Vance Joseph. I don't think The Dolphins defense was all that great last season so It probably hurts alot for Kyle to lose out to a guy that's not only  was a first time coordinator but didn't even establish himself as a top  coordinator  but as you said it's between Shanahan and McDaniels most likely for the  49ers head coaching job.

[JO_75]

Juan Castillo... off to Buffalo. Now Leslie Frazier is being linked to the Bills as being their new Defensive Coordinator. Man, now our assistant coaches are getting poached. Might be good as coaching has been our issue so it might be a good thing but then again maybe not.

[rossihunter2]

22 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

From what I read it seem like Kyle really wanted The Broncos head coach job and he was suppose to be the front runner but all of a sudden The Broncos fell in love with Vance Joseph. I don't think The Dolphins defense was all that great last season so It probably hurts alot for Kyle to lose out to a guy that's not only  was a first time coordinator but didn't even establish himself as a top  coordinator  but as you said it's between Shanahan and McDaniels most likely for the  49ers head coaching job.

Vance Joseph nearly got the broncos job until kubiak became a possibility so I'm not surprised he took over this time - im not surprised shanahan hasn't been signed yet because his team is still in the playoffs

[hn68wb4]

23 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Why would he go to that dumpster fire?

Their defense sure isn't a dumpster fire, lots of young talent on that side of the ball. With a good DC like Phillips and get some new pieces in the secondary that unit can be one of the best in the league. I'll tell ya, if they fix their oline and get Gurley going, give Goff a little bit of help out there then they can be a pretty darn good team.

Edited January 12 by hn68wb4

[allblackraven]

14 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Vance Joseph nearly got the broncos job until kubiak became a possibility so I'm not surprised he took over this time - im not surprised shanahan hasn't been signed yet because his team is still in the playoffs

He's done 3 interviews during wild card weekend (Rams, Denver, Jaguars) and clearly lost all of those. Maybe 49ers interview didn't take place yet because he was busy later on?

59 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

BTW, does anyone else find it strange Kyle Shanahan wasn't hired for any of the open coaching positions yet but other guys got the job before him?   I have to admit that has surprised me so far with how much people wanted him here to replace Harbaugh.  Did he bomb his interviews or something?

Yeah, I touched on it in another thread, wondering whether it's really abrasive personality in question. Or maybe he's just asking too much?

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

He's done 3 interviews during wild card weekend (Rams, Denver, Jaguars) and clearly lost all of those. Maybe 49ers interview didn't take place yet because he was busy later on?

Yeah, I touched on it in another thread, wondering whether it's really abrasive personality in question. Or maybe he's just asking too much?

That is weird but some good head coaches don't interview well - I remember Ron Rivera and Bruce arians reportedly interviewing terribly because of their abrasive and straight-talking ways but they've become two of the best head coaches

[Rebel Raven]

Anyone hear of any potential coaches the Ravens are looking at for the vacancies at QB/OL? Any guesses on when we might pick someone up?  After the Jupiter meeting? 

[jazz1988]

7 minutes ago, Rebel Raven said:

Anyone hear of any potential coaches the Ravens are looking at for the vacancies at QB/OL? Any guesses on when we might pick someone up?  After the Jupiter meeting? 

Not really . The only coach that has been tied to The Ravens as a possible candidate for their offensive linemen coach job has been Rick Dennison. They may  promote Craig Ver Steeg or Andy Bischoff to quarterback coach.Offensive line coach Mike Tice is a interesting guy that The Ravens may be able to get especially since him and Assistant offensive line coach  Richard Angulo have history together.

[RavensFanMania]

On 1/12/2017 at 6:03 PM, GrimCoconut said:

BTW, does anyone else find it strange Kyle Shanahan wasn't hired for any of the open coaching positions yet but other guys got the job before him?   I have to admit that has surprised me so far with how much people wanted him here to replace Harbaugh.  Did he bomb his interviews or something?

Yes, rumors have it that he isn't good in the interview.