No changes made to top coaching staff? Lower level changes, though.

[redrum52]

5 hours ago, ravensdfan said:

So your argument then is that Ozzie & company have sucked it up then. Because it is either one or the other. Our scouting department and our GM(s) have been garbage or our defensive coaches don't know how to develop talent.

I mean, let's be honest. The defense has seen stability and the bulk of the top draft picks since 2013. Yet, they have the same issues.

The offense, on the other hand, has had no stability and seen only this last draft of top picks. Which is why it isn't fair to put the blame at the feet of the offense for not performing & flat out ignore the defense's failings.

Offense puts up 30 pts - defense gives up 33pts - it's the offenses fault we lost because they had the ball the last minute and didn't score

Offense craps the bed the first half but takes the lead the 2nd half. defense pisses away a 4th quarter lead. It's the offenses fault for only showing up for one half.

offense goes into halftime or 4th with a 2 score lead. defense pisses it away not forcing one punt the entire 2nd half. It's the offense fault for not scoring more TDs.

It's really quite absurd. The offense with all its turnover and turmoil is expected to perform an entire game ALL the time AND always score but the defense is allowed to take the entire 4th quarter off (sometimes the half & even the game. I recall a Pitt game where they forced not one single punt that everyone blamed on the offense) and it's a-okay and Pees is awesome.

I figure either a few coordinators change up their game or get fired sometime during the season. Otherwise, Harbs is probably out of a job.

Again, standing pat and expecting different results is truly the definition of insanity.

 It's not one or the other.  Could be bad players and bad development but can you sit her and say Brown, Elam and Simon have really contributed?  

 

The offense saw the least turnover after the sb, so MAYBE, that had something to do with seeing more attention.  After the 07 season, take a wild guess where most of the draft attention was spent and then tell me how many top 10 units we ever had?

 

Defense shouldn't be giving up a td in end of game situations.  Offense shouldn't be throwing picks on its last possession of a playoff game.   That also doesn't mean you cant say offense should show up or defense shouldn't be giving up 14 points leads.  It doesn't always have to be 1 way or the other.

 

Most people dont care if Pees is fired from what I've seen, but I've seen games where he does exactly what fans beg for, and they still complain when we lose.  That or the style of play being asked for is used and HUGE chunks are given up.  

[usmccharles]

45 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

 Most people dont care if Pees is fired from what I've seen, but I've seen games where he does exactly what fans beg for, and they still complain when we lose.  That or the style of play being asked for is used and HUGE chunks are given up.  

We have fans that complain about winning....

[redrum52]

11 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

We have fans that complain about winning....

I would have been in that crowd if we beat the Bengals...  but I've seen someone say they'd still want Harbaugh fired if we won another SB.

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I would have been in that crowd if we beat the Bengals...  but I've seen someone say they'd still want Harbaugh fired if we won another SB.

Yea....that guy takes the cake.  cant remember who

[Grapple Raven]

7 hours ago, The Raven said:

Well, I'll own that.

But... question... If Castillo was really the one with universal say over schemes, why has our blocking scheme changed so much, while he remains the constant? Hmm.

Regardless of that point, I'm not blaming Castillo when we've had such terrible players on the line. He turned a rookie into a top five left tackle and made Alex Lewis good enough to hold his own at LT. He turned Ryan Jensen from a small school nobody to one of the best run blockers on the team. Rick Wagner has also developed into a top three right tackle. KO went from RT, to LG, to LT under Castillo and then got paid and is a top five overall lineman.

When you look at the facts, it doesn't make logical sense to blame Castillo.

The Raven, I understand your point of view.  In my original post I even stated that Castillo maybe great with fundamentals and technique, that helps make great players excel, but with those stats it would seem reasonable to conclude that since he has been in charge our run game has declined and hasn't been up to the Ravens' standard.  I would in fact say that in all the years Castillo has been here he probably had more talent to work with than Kubiak/Dennison had in the year they implemented their schemes, as it was new to the players and was the first year w/o RR, and they managed to turn things around.   You listed a lot of our better players in your list above, that no doubt Castillo worked with in relation to technique, but the scheme production didn't produce the results wanted when he was lead offensive line coach.  That is what I question.

As to coaching, players also have great coaches that are noted for developing players at the college level, so that they are NFL ready, case in point Heistand at ND who worked with Ronnie Stanley...http://www.ndinsider.com/football/notebook-harry-hiestand-s-influence-pays-draft-dividends/article_f86a17c2-0e81-11e6-b260-a3f63e6e91f8.html    Yes Castillo is great discovering talent and developing technique, but he isn't the only one.

Then there are the questions of Castillo's methodology of actually how he teaches, and there have been a lot of opinions and issues there as well such as the complaints and meeting that took place in 2014 to which Bisciotti even commented that: "He got the natural resistance from guys who don't want to make changes. I have to admit that he did come on too strong and ruffled some feathers."  One of those guys was Yanda and several other offensive lineman who wanted to go back to the style of physical play that they won the SB with, and you kind of wonder why you would fix something that isn't broken, lol.  I think that is what the players were trying to say in that they felt Castillo was too regimented in not considering making adjustments to his techniques inline with the type of players we staff and how they learn best.  Other players have been equally as vocal about Castillo, including McKinney, Monroe, Leach, Rice, K.O., etc.   With Yanda being a player than never vocalizes anything, you have to admit that was at the very least troubling when referencing Castillo.  Sure players have been helped by Castillo, like Rick Wagner that praised Castillo for his coaching in relation to his technique improvements.  Coaching fundamentals and techniques seems to be were he excels, but maybe that is where his attributes end?  I don't know, I guess we will have to see what the future brings.  I have nothing personal against Castillo, lol, in fact of all that I've ever read about the man he seems to be a solid individual with good character, but perhaps scheming runs and pass protections maybe just isn't his forte' as evidenced by the record he has had since being the lead offensive line coach.  The results so far just don't match the rationalization to keep him here is all that I'm saying.  But since the last home grown vestige of the coaching line is now gone with Todd Washington's release today I guess we will find out if Castillo is up to the task now, lol.

[allblackraven]

10 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

The Raven, I understand your point of view.  In my original post I even stated that Castillo maybe great with fundamentals and technique, that helps make great players excel, but with those stats it would seem reasonable to conclude that since he has been in charge our run game has declined and hasn't been up to the Ravens' standard.  I would in fact say that in all the years Castillo has been here he probably had more t.......

I won't get into Castillo's core O line coaching, since I have no idea how it's done and how good or bad he is but it doesn't make much sense that he can't at least coach players up to play in his scheme. Harbaugh is giving him a lot of latitude with the Ravens run game. He was our official Running Game Coordinator in 2013, we all know how that went, then Kubiak showed he can do it with pretty much the same O line, now that we're back to Castillo we suck again.

Replacing OL assistant coach and conditioning coach isn't bound to deliver changes and improvement this team needs. Harbaugh has been given one year too many and that year will cost the organisation.

[The Raven]

49 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

The Raven, I understand your point of view.  In my original post I even stated that Castillo maybe great with fundamentals and technique, that helps make great players excel, but with those stats it would seem reasonable to conclude that since he has been in charge our run game has declined and hasn't been up to the Ravens' standard.  I would in fact say that in all the years Castillo has been here he probably had more talent to work with than Kubiak/D.....

I'll just say that it says a lot that we let Kubiak do whatever he wanted with the staff, and he chose not to fire Castillo. 

[The Raven]

27 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I won't get into Castillo's core O line coaching, since I have no idea how it's done and how good or bad he is but it doesn't make much sense that he can't at least coach players up to play in his scheme. Harbaugh is giving him a lot of latitude with the Ravens run game. He was our official Running Game Coordinator in 2013, we all know how that went, then Kubiak showed he can do it with pretty much the same O line, now that we're back to Castillo we suck again.

Replacing OL assistant coach and conditioning coach isn't bound to deliver changes and improvement this team needs. Harbaugh has been given one year too many and that year will cost the organisation.

It may. We have struggled with conditioning if you ask me, especially on the dline. Changing asst. ol probably won't change much, and it sounds like a scapegoat, but let's see.

[ravensdfan]

9 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

The same could be said for constantly firing people and not addressing the bigger issues, such as talent evaluation and development. Firing coaches consistently and expecting different results without addressing the core problems would be the definition of insanity as well.

If there's one positive that came out of this season, its that fans finally learned that canning a coordinator you don't like mid-season or even at all doesn't, in fact, lead to the promise land. Finally the Cam Cameron theory is dead and buried.

Agreed which is why I am pointing out there could be issues there beyond the WR issue. But is it scouting or development?

4 hours ago, redrum52 said:

 It's not one or the other.  Could be bad players and bad development but can you sit her and say Brown, Elam and Simon have really contributed?  

 

The offense saw the least turnover after the sb, so MAYBE, that had something to do with seeing more attention.  After the 07 season, take a wild guess where most of the draft attention was spent and then tell me how many top 10 units we ever had?

 

Defense shouldn't be giving up a td in end of game situations.  Offense shouldn't be throwing picks on its last possession of a playoff game.   That also doesn't mean you cant say offense should show up or defense shouldn't be giving up 14 points leads.  It doesn't always have to be 1 way or the other.

 

Most people dont care if Pees is fired from what I've seen, but I've seen games where he does exactly what fans beg for, and they still complain when we lose.  That or the style of play being asked for is used and HUGE chunks are given up.  

A situation the offense shouldn't be in if the defense doesn't squander 2 14 pt leads right? I mean, you are one who argues the defense can't be expected to hold after an offensive TO so then you can't hold the offense to a different standard when they are put behind the 8 ball because of the defense right?

The same thing happens offensively though too. RUN THE BALL! RUN THE BALL! Then we do and we wind up in 3rd and long situations because we only gain 2 yds.

Truly I don't think either unit performed so I'm not arguing that point. Merely pointing out that one has had 5 years of consistency at coordinator - and one has not. And the consistent one has the same issues.

Every year I get the same arguments from the same people - oh Pees just needs this or that position addressed - we address it and here we sit again with a defense that collapses in the 4th.

So to me, we need to focus on offense because a high powered offense is the only remedy to a Pees' led 4th quarter D.

 

Edited January 5 by ravensdfan

[rossihunter2]

59 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I won't get into Castillo's core O line coaching, since I have no idea how it's done and how good or bad he is but it doesn't make much sense that he can't at least coach players up to play in his scheme. Harbaugh is giving him a lot of latitude with the Ravens run game. He was our official Running Game Coordinator in 2013, we all know how that went, then Kubiak showed he can do it with pretty much the same O line, now that we're back to Castillo we suck again.

Replacing OL assistant coach and conditioning coach isn't bound to deliver changes and improvement this team needs. Harbaugh has been given one year too many and that year will cost the organisation.

castillo doesn't come up with the scheme - he literally teaches the OL how to play within the scheme that the OC wants to use - so the only way to judge Castillo is how well the linemen play not how well the running game goes - and it certainly wasnt rick dennison and kubiak teaching the linemen how to do their job - they were teaching the scheme - if they had been teaching fundamentals and techniques to the linemen then they would never have got round to actually designing the offense

there is a lot of heat headed in castillo's direction when he has coached stanley into a top left tackle already even though there is normally a steep curve for rookie linemen, not only that but he turned alex lewis into a starter and a serviceable backup left tackle, wagner under his tutelage has become a top 25 tackle in the nfl and reserve lineman like urschel and jensen have come in and played well - in fact jensen's run blocking has been phenomenal at times (albeit inconsistent)

given the fact that of those players only 1 was drafted in the first 3 rounds of the draft, I'd say he should be congratulated on the way he has cultivated a lot of talent on the line in a short space of time

now whether the run game works is not really down to him - he's coaching the line, not the run game

[redrum52]

14 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Agreed which is why I am pointing out there could be issues there beyond the WR issue. But is it scouting or development?

A situation the offense shouldn't be in if the defense doesn't squander 2 14 pt leads right? I mean, you are one who argues the defense can't be expected to hold after an offensive TO so then you can't hold the offense to a different standard when they are put behind the 8 ball because of the defense right?

The same thing happens offensively though too. RUN THE BALL! RUN THE BALL! Then we do and we wind up in 3rd and long situations because we only gain 2 yds.

Truly I don't think either unit performed so I'm not arguing that point. Merely pointing out that one has had 5 years of consistency at coordinator - and one has not. And the consistent one has the same issues.

Every year I get the same arguments from the same people - oh Pees just needs this or that position addressed - we address it and here we sit again with a defense that collapses in the 4th.

So to me, we need to focus on offense because a high powered offense is the only remedy to a Pees' led 4th quarter D.

 

Has pass rush and cb really been addressed?  Thats like saying OL and wr are addressed because we have Wallace, Perriman and Lewis.  Just cause there are bodies there, doesn't mean they are good.

[allblackraven]

28 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

castillo doesn't come up with the scheme - he literally teaches the OL how to play within the scheme that the OC wants to use - so the only way to judge Castillo is how well the linemen play not how well the running game goes - and it certainly wasnt rick dennison and kubiak teaching the linemen how to do their job - they were teaching the scheme - if they had been teaching fundamentals and techniques to the linemen then they would never have got round to actually designing the offense

there is a lot of heat headed in castillo's direction when he has coached stanley into a top left tackle already even though there is normally a steep curve for rookie linemen, not only that but he turned alex lewis into a starter and a serviceable backup left tackle, wagner under his tutelage has become a top 25 tackle in the nfl and reserve lineman like urschel and jensen have come in and played well - in fact jensen's run blocking has been phenomenal at times (albeit inconsistent)

given the fact that of those players only 1 was drafted in the first 3 rounds of the draft, I'd say he should be congratulated on the way he has cultivated a lot of talent on the line in a short space of time

now whether the run game works is not really down to him - he's coaching the line, not the run game

Yeah, I get that but it's pretty curious at least.

Also, Stanley can't be used really as an example of great coaching because he is the top 2 takcle prospect in last 10 years. Wagner would be much better example here but for every Wagner there's one James Hurst or Gradkowski.

We tend to give too much credit to coaches all the time but when stuff doesn't work it's allways "players suck".

[rmcjacket23]

41 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Agreed which is why I am pointing out there could be issues there beyond the WR issue. But is it scouting or development?

 

 

Probably a combination of both. Just like when there's consistent production deficiencies on the defensive side of the ball, the problem is almost always a combination of poor execution, poor talent, and poor coaching. Addressing one area by itself is rarely going to be enough to address the whole problem enough to warrant significant change.

[jazz1988]

13 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

castillo doesn't come up with the scheme - he literally teaches the OL how to play within the scheme that the OC wants to use - so the only way to judge Castillo is how well the linemen play not how well the running game goes - and it certainly wasnt rick dennison and kubiak teaching the linemen how to do their job - they were teaching the scheme - if they had been teaching fundamentals and techniques to the linemen then they would never have got round to actually designing the offense

there is a lot of heat headed in castillo's direction when he has coached stanley into a top left tackle already even though there is normally a steep curve for rookie linemen, not only that but he turned alex lewis into a starter and a serviceable backup left tackle, wagner under his tutelage has become a top 25 tackle in the nfl and reserve lineman like urschel and jensen have come in and played well - in fact jensen's run blocking has been phenomenal at times (albeit inconsistent)

given the fact that of those players only 1 was drafted in the first 3 rounds of the draft, I'd say he should be congratulated on the way he has cultivated a lot of talent on the line in a short space of time

now whether the run game works is not really down to him - he's coaching the line, not the run game

    Some position coaches have more influence  than you think .When Rob  Chudzinski was  The Colts tight end coach it was mentioned how he was  involved with  The Colt  passing game especially with their two tight end sets. The same can be said about Jim Caldwell when he was The Ravens quarterback coach and was allowed to add some wrinkles and etc to The Ravens passing attack with the sugar huddle. Some position coaches are actually allowed to implement their own ideas/scheme especially if they are very good  at what they do and are well respected in the league. I believe  It   helps the head coach evaluate his position coaches potentials especially  in the future  if he has to consider a new coordinator and  what better  way to do that than keeping it in house .

   Juan Castillo was once called  the run game coordinator before being name the offensive line coach which isn't really something new in the league. The Saints had a run game coordinator and Marc Trestman had a run game coordinator when he was The Bears head coach . Ultimately the title tells me that these coaches are entrusted to come up with the blocking scheme or atleast the game plan concerning the rushing attack. Castillo has never been a expert with teaching the zone blocking scheme and he has mostly been a power blocking offensive line coach. I think it speaks quite well of him to embrace Gary Kubiak zone blocking scheme and teach it to the offensive line especially since it really isn't his preferred scheme to teach but ever since Kubiak left The Ravens have been getting away from the zone blocking scheme. Maybe that's due to the offensive coordinator preference but even in 2013 when  Castillo was considered to be the run game coordinator the blocking scheme seem different but I know Marty M loves the zone blocking scheme so maybe  The Ravens are looking for expert  to assist  Castillo with that.

 

 

 

 

[gtalk12]

On ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 9:50 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

In fairness, by NFL standards, we were quite healthy, particularly towards the end of the year. 

As is typical, I think it depends on WHO is healthy more than HOW MANY are healthy. If Joe's not healthy, nothing matters, and guys like Weddle and Smith are vital to the defense.

But at the end of the day, injuries to stars happen to most teams during the year, and its important to have quality depth to make up for it. And we are lacking in certain areas there.

When Jimmy went down a couple times it was glaring just how weak our pass rush really was.

 

I agree with you though, we have been much healthier this season

[The Raven]

4 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

    Some position coaches have more influence  than you think .When Rob  Chudzinski was  The Colts tight end coach it was mentioned how he was  involved with  The Colt  passing game especially with their two tight end sets. The same can be said about Jim Caldwell when he was The Ravens quarterback coach and was allowed to add some wrinkles and etc to The Ravens passing attack with the sugar huddle. Some position coaches are actually allowed to implement their own ideas/scheme especially if they are very good  at what they do and are well respected in the league. I believe  It   helps the head coach evaluate his position coaches potentials especially  in the future  if he has to consider a new coordinator and  what better  way to do that than keeping it in house .

   Juan Castillo was once called  the run game coordinator before being name the offensive line coach which isn't really something new in the league. The Saints had a run game coordinator and Marc Trestman had a run game coordinator when he was The Bears head coach . Ultimately the title tells me that these coaches are entrusted to come up with the blocking scheme or atleast the game plan concerning the rushing attack. Castillo has never been a expert with teaching the zone blocking scheme and he has mostly been a power blocking offensive line coach. I think it speaks quite well of him to embrace Gary Kubiak zone blocking scheme and teach it to the offensive line especially since it really isn't his preferred scheme to teach but ever since Kubiak left The Ravens have been getting away from the zone blocking scheme. Maybe that's due to the offensive coordinator preference but even in 2013 when  Castillo was considered to be the run game coordinator the blocking scheme seem different but I know Marty M loves the zone blocking scheme so maybe  The Ravens are looking for expert  to assist  Castillo with that.

 

 

 

 

This is outright false. 

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

This is outright false. 

This is probably your second time saying this and the last time I believe I provided sources to prove my case you didn't reply with anything . If you going to say this is false then I  wouldn't mind to seeing your   sources to prove other wise. I have shared it before but here's the link again to prove my case  which is talked about by Ross Tucker link and the conversation about Castillo starts at  the 19:43 mark.

 

Edited January 6 by jazz1988

[The Raven]

14 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

This is probably your second time saying this and the last time when I believe I provided sources to prove my case you didn't reply with anything . If you going to say this is false then I would definitely wouldn't mind to see you  share some sources to prove other wise. I have shared it before but here's the link again to prove my case  which is talked about by Ross Tucker link and the conversation about Castillo starts at  the 19:43 mark.

 

If Juan Castillo doesn't run a zone blocking scheme, why have we run zone blocking every year he's been here?

I'll wait.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Inside-The-Game-With-Juan-Castillo/ddf63da5-cbb2-4565-86d9-ac4d6985979a

There's Castillo teaching zone blocking on the team's website.

Another source: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-zone-blocking-1108-20131107-story.html

The reporter writes, "The zone-blocking scheme hasn't changed drastically since Castillo took charge of the running game this offseason, but there have been tweaks. The Ravens have used more outside stretch runs, but the backs have been bottled up and the gains minimal."

In Nov. 2013, after Castillo arrived, Harbaugh is quoted as saying, "We've been an inside and outside zone team since we got here."

Also, the guy speaking in the radio clip you shared, Ross Tucker. While he was a longtime offensive lineman, he never once played for Castillo.

Edited January 6 by The Raven

[jazz1988]

31 minutes ago, The Raven said:

If Juan Castillo doesn't run a zone blocking scheme, why have we run zone blocking every year he's been here?

I'll wait.

The Ravens have been using the zone blocking scheme since  2010 or 11 which is around the same time Vonta Leach was  signed. I believe it was mentioned that Leach himself help former offensive line coach Andy Moeller and former assistant offensive line coach Todd Washington understand some zone blocking concepts and The Ravens offensive line started moving in that direction..Of course The Ravens were still running the zone blocking scheme at times when Juan Castillo was introduced as The Ravens run game coordinator in 2013 but keep in mind Andy Moeller and Todd Washington were  still on the staff. When Gary Kubiak was hired The Ravens offensive line definitively ran the zone blocking scheme alot more than in years past and when he left it wasn't used as much like in 2014. 

Marshal Yanda himself has said they still run the zone blocking scheme but they don't run it as heavy like they did when Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator.  I don't think Castilo is a idiot so I think he's smart enough to learn from  Gary Kubiak about the zone blocking scheme but I doubt he's expert in it and to really answer your question why The Ravens have ran the zone blocking scheme in every year Castillo been here it's simple and it's because of  John Harbaugh. The head coach has the finally say on what he likes and don't like but I believe John Harbaugh  been  a major fan of Gary Kubiak offense for quite awhile.  

Edited January 6 by jazz1988

[Ravenseconbeast]

On 1/3/2017 at 4:35 PM, mg90 said:

Fire Morty if Kubiak wants the job. Fire Pees if Rex wants the job. That's it.  

Rex old scheme doesn't work in modern NFL defense.  Smash mouth football is illegal and his new schemes is too complicated and it stinks

Kubiak has health issues.  He said he wants to retire from football for good.

Edited January 6 by Ravenseconbeast

[Grapple Raven]

On ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 6:16 PM, The Raven said:

I'll just say that it says a lot that we let Kubiak do whatever he wanted with the staff, and he chose not to fire Castillo. 

That didn't surprise me at all, first because Castillo is good teaching technique, and secondly because, " in doing whatever he wanted with the staff" I think was meant and carried out when he brought in his own guys.  Thirdly, Kubiak was smart enough to realize that firing someone was the head coaches job and Kubiak wasn't going to ruffle feathers with Harbaugh at the outset.

[Steve0x]

On January 3, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Jonah DeVito said:

How do you feel? 

I feel with the majority of the fans here

[JoeyFlex5]

On 1/4/2017 at 11:23 PM, Grapple Raven said:

Take it from John Harbaugh who addressed this in the 2013 State of the Ravens address. This was directly from the transcript of the 2013 State of the Ravens presser, and I don't think Harbaugh could have made it any clearer:

Question:

"John, you kind of mentioned last week how we are the conduit for the fans. There has been no greater name since the end of the season than Juan Castillo. Would you be willing to shed some light on what exactly he did this year, how his job was different than Andy Moeller's, and if you will come back next year with the same structure of what most people perceive to be two offensive line coaches – the same structure of him as run game coordinator and Andy Moeller?" (Steve Davis)

Response:

(JOHN HARBAUGH) "That's a good question, thanks. I can understand why Juan [Castillo] is a lightning rod right now because of the way that was set up and structured. Then, we go into the season, and we have our worst year ever running the ball, and he's got that [run game coordinator] title. So, that's on me. When we hired Juan, and we added Juan and had a chance to add Juan last year, the idea was to add another great coach into our mix. Juan functioned as the lead offensive line coach last year; that was his job. The title was a way to have three great offensive line coaches in our mix right there. Andy [Moeller] had a big contribution last year, was a little bit different than he had the year before. It wasn't the same as he had when he was with John Matsko. So, we had three guys working together, and I thought it was going to be a really good mix. And, I thought those guys did a really good job of coaching together. We didn't get the result we wanted to get. But, Juan was the offensive line coach. And the titles going forward – and that's one of the things that Ozzie and I talked a lot about, and I talked a lot with Juan about this and talked with Andy about this – Juan's title is going to be the ‘offensive line coach.' That's the way he worked last year; he worked as an offensive line coach. The offensive line coach works the run schemes and the pass protection schemes. He is pretty much out front and leads on that, but the offensive coordinator is in charge of the offense. He organizes the offense and decides exactly how we're going to do the details of that. Then, I'm on top of that, and I make all the final decisions as far as what direction we go and how we do it. So, it really didn't function any differently last year than it had the year before or the four years before that, and that's the way it worked. Going forward, our plan right now is to improve, is to get better. There are a lot of things that we didn't do well as a coaching staff, and we look at ourselves first. We've got to do a better job of putting our players in a position to make plays – offense, defense and special teams. If we find a way to score another couple touchdowns in the red zone, we're in the playoffs. If we find a way to eliminate a couple turnovers, we're in the playoffs. If we find a way to get a stop in a critical situation at the end of a game – even right to the Cincinnati game – if we do just a little bit more of that, we're in the playoffs. But, that's the fine line of the National Football League. That's what makes the league so great – what we're talking about. That is why it's so exciting and so competitive. But, we've got to find a way as a coaching staff to get the very most out of the players that we have, and that's what I'm working on right now, along with Ozzie and Steve and Dick and our coaching staff. Let's set this thing up as well as we possibly can with our staff, working together, utilizing everybody's strengths, balancing our weaknesses with a lot of great coaches, and building schemes that are going to make us the best we can be next year. And that's what we're going to try to do. So, Juan will be the offensive line coach next year. The rest of it is a little bit in flux right now. We're two weeks earlier to this probably – two, three, four weeks even – than we have been in the past. We've been coaching football games at this point in time. So, as all this NFL coaching drama goes on, some of our guys are involved in that, and we'll just have to see how it shakes out. But, we're going to build a great coaching staff again this year."

 

that doesnt mean the OL coach is calling plays, he teaches the schemes, which is part of position coaching. if your OL is running an inside zone and all they know is stretch, you have to teach them the scheme. thats what hes referring to. 

what youre saying is that when the OC calls a play, juan steps in and says "run this play, but block it this way" thats not how it works. in 2013 juan was working with jim caldwell and would have heavy input on the rush game play calls, since then, he has been the OL coach, he doesnt have input or influence on play calls. he teaches and develops the players and makes sure they understand their assignments as much as he can. and i dont see anything in this quote that would suggest otherwise. 

[RavensRegime]

I have one word to describe our coaching staff: CLUELESS 

[Willbacker]

18 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

The Ravens have been using the zone blocking scheme since  2010 or 11 which is around the same time Vonta Leach was  signed. I believe it was mentioned that Leach himself help former offensive line coach Andy Moeller and former assistant offensive line coach Todd Washington understand some zone blocking concepts and The Ravens offensive line started moving in that direction..Of course The Ravens were still running the zone blocking scheme at times when Juan Castillo was introduced as The Ravens run game coordinator in 2013 but keep in mind Andy Moeller and Todd Washington were  still on the staff. When Gary Kubiak was hired The Ravens offensive line definitively ran the zone blocking scheme alot more than in years past and when he left it wasn't used as much like in 2014. 

Marshal Yanda himself has said they still run the zone blocking scheme but they don't run it as heavy like they did when Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator.  I don't think Castilo is a idiot so I think he's smart enough to learn from  Gary Kubiak about the zone blocking scheme but I doubt he's expert in it and to really answer your question why The Ravens have ran the zone blocking scheme in every year Castillo been here it's simple and it's because of  John Harbaugh. The head coach has the finally say on what he likes and don't like but I believe John Harbaugh  been  a major fan of Gary Kubiak offense for quite awhile.  

Castillo brought the zone blocking scheme to Baltimore period. Yanda was a big complainer of the change from power run scheme to zone block as were others.

http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/12104/castillo-confident-ravens-can-run-the-ball

http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/ravens-zone-blocking-scheme-whats-wrong/

While the Ravens may have used some sprinkles of the zone scheme during the beginning of Harbaughs years here when Castillo got here it became full blown out zone scheme all the time and our running game has suffered. When Kubiak came on he kept Castillo cuz of their same philosophies.

[K-Dog]

4 hours ago, RavensRegime said:

I have one word to describe our coaching staff: CLUELESS 

Ironic.

[The Raven]

3 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Castillo brought the zone blocking scheme to Baltimore period. Yanda was a big complainer of the change from power run scheme to zone block as were others.

http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/12104/castillo-confident-ravens-can-run-the-ball

http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/ravens-zone-blocking-scheme-whats-wrong/

While the Ravens may have used some sprinkles of the zone scheme during the beginning of Harbaughs years here when Castillo got here it became full blown out zone scheme all the time and our running game has suffered. When Kubiak came on he kept Castillo cuz of their same philosophies.

Unless you can source this, I'm calling BS. Yanda said Castillo ruffled feathers and added new wrinkles, but he never complained.

McKinnie and Oher complained, but that's what lazy players do.

[ellicottraven]

36 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Unless you can source this, I'm calling BS. Yanda said Castillo ruffled feathers and added new wrinkles, but he never complained.

McKinnie and Oher complained, but that's what lazy players do.

Oher was renowned for never complaining! He did whatever was asked of him regardless of how much it hurt him in his fundamentals when they kept playing merry go round with where he would line up. Don't pool McKinnie with Oher because they had totally different attitudes.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

The reason they got rid of lower level coaches, is because poop rolls down hill.  

-------> Its not my fault says the HC, I didnt call the plays,-------> the DC says its not my fault we couldnt close out the games,---->The DLine coach says its not my fault we couldnt get any pressure on the QB's, ---->the Linebackers coach says its not my fault, my guys are ProBowl alternates, ---->  The Secondary coach says its not my fault the guys give up deep plays, ------> the OC says, Its not my fault we usually outscore our Opponents until 2 minutes left in the game, ----> the Oline coach says, Its not my fault the QB never steps up in the pocket, -----> the RB coach said, its not my fault, my guys legs are still fresh cause they never hand off the ball,----> its not my fault the WR coach says, they didnt want to throw to my guys, thats what we have RB's for, ------>The ST coach goes to Tucker, says its not my fault you guys cant score in the RZ, and I have to do the scoring for you, ----->Joe says its not my fault, I just run the plays you call,.....its the guy who makes the helmets fault, he put a special brainfart chemical in them

 

There was probably a lot of CYA going on at the castle to ward off dismissal of these coaches

[ravensdfan]

4 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

The reason they got rid of lower level coaches, is because poop rolls down hill.  

-------> Its not my fault says the HC, I didnt call the plays,-------> the DC says its not my fault we couldnt close out the games,---->The DLine coach says its not my fault we couldnt get any pressure on the QB's, ---->the Linebackers coach says its not my fault, my guys are ProBowl alternates, ---->  The Secondary coach says its not my fault the guys give up deep plays, ------> the OC says, Its not my fault we usually outscore our Opponents until 2 minutes left in the game, ----> the Oline coach says, Its not my fault the QB never steps up in the pocket, -----> the RB coach said, its not my fault, my guys legs are still fresh cause they never hand off the ball,----> its not my fault the WR coach says, they didnt want to throw to my guys, thats what we have RB's for, ------>The ST coach goes to Tucker, says its not my fault you guys cant score in the RZ, and I have to do the scoring for you, ----->Joe says its not my fault, I just run the plays you call,.....its the guy who makes the helmets fault, he put a special brainfart chemical in them

 

There was probably a lot of CYA going on at the castle to ward off dismissal of these coaches

Well true in most cases but Harbs has come out and owned the decision to keep his coordinators. Which means he could well have just punched his ticket out the door at the end of next season. Time will tell.