No changes made to top coaching staff? Lower level changes, though.

[Jonah DeVito]

How do you feel? 

[ravensdfan]

We all know that old definition of insanity right? But yeah, keep Pees and watch your defense fold consistently when it matters late in games. Please.

Better give the offense all the love because, as I stated before, this offense is going to have to put up 30 or better every game with Pees' brand of defense.

I kind of get retaining Marty, he did not have an entire season after all. But Pees has proven over his 5 seasons he is not the answer.

At least we're interviewing for a QB coach.

[Tru11]

just ate some tresor duo choco cornflakes so quite good actually.

also we can now throw all the starting over excuses out the window and have some consistency.

will be interesting to see what the results will be.

[Jonah DeVito]

27 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

We all know that old definition of insanity right? But yeah, keep Pees and watch your defense fold consistently when it matters late in games. Please.

Better give the offense all the love because, as I stated before, this offense is going to have to put up 30 or better every game with Pees' brand of defense.

I kind of get retaining Marty, he did not have an entire season after all. But Pees has proven over his 5 seasons he is not the answer.

At least we're interviewing for a QB coach.

I was hoping Pees would retire, as I knew John wouldn't make the move to get rid of Pees himself. 

[Sunday QB]

35 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

How do you feel? 

 Please forgive me if I'm not excited to hear this after last season.

[Tru11]

2 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

I was hoping Pees would retire, as I knew John wouldn't make the move to get rid of Pees himself. 

makes little sense to fire a DC who had a top 10 defense lol

[Jonah DeVito]

1 minute ago, Tru11 said:

makes little sense to fire a DC who had a top 10 defense lol

Being a top 10 defense means nothing if you can't finish games. 

[redrum52]

36 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

We all know that old definition of insanity right? But yeah, keep Pees and watch your defense fold consistently when it matters late in games. Please.

Better give the offense all the love because, as I stated before, this offense is going to have to put up 30 or better every game with Pees' brand of defense.

I kind of get retaining Marty, he did not have an entire season after all. But Pees has proven over his 5 seasons he is not the answer.

At least we're interviewing for a QB coach.

I can almost guarantee everytime the offense even sniffed 30 it was becuase the defense gave them extra possesions woth excellent field position, which is kind of ironic.. also, it seems a lot of the efforts recently have been made to help the offense yet again, they struggled.  Complain about the defense all you want, but offense has been atrocious 3 of the four years since Joe was re-signed.

 

[Prino61]

As much as I love Harbaugh I think its time for a change at the coaching position.

[redrum52]

19 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Being a top 10 defense means nothing if you can't finish games. 

You people seem to have no understanding of how ugly these games would be if the defense was as bad as the offense all season.  

 

Kool tho...

Edited January 3 by redrum52

[Purple_City39]

11 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

You people seem to have no understanding of how ugly these games would be if the defense was as bad as the offense all season.  

 

Kool tho...

This is what I don't get about the Pees hate.  We'd have likely been a 3-4 win team if the defense was as bad as many say.

Don't get me wrong, they collapsed a lot, especially the garbage they put out the last month, but the defense was primarily the only reason we were in most games

[redrum52]

1 minute ago, Purple_City39 said:

This is what I don't get about the Pees hate.  We'd have likely been a 3-4 win team if the defense was as bad as many say.

Don't get me wrong, they collapsed a lot, especially the garbage they put out the last month, but the defense was primarily the only reason we were in most games

Exactly.

 

I fully acknowledge yhey fell apart the last 4-6 weeks, but do people think he somehow told the DL to stop defending the run?  Without the defense we most likely start 0-6 against some very suspect competition.

Edited January 3 by redrum52

[mdrsharon]

Seriously? 

As a worker, I hate for anyone to be fired, but Marty is not the answer. We need someone to connect with Joe, big time. We need point s on the board, bottom line.

Pees is just ok, just have to find a way to close out fourth quarter collapses.

[Jonah DeVito]

7 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Exactly.

 

I fully acknowledge yhey fell apart the last 4-6 weeks, but do people think he somehow told the DL to stop defending the run?  Without the defense we most likely start 0-6 against some very suspect competition.

Please tell me why the defense performing well for the first half of the season has any relevancy right now. They did not show up at all for the most part the last month or so and that's inexcusable. I'm tired of Pees prevent us from winning defense. 

[ellicottraven]

Well the poll verdict says it all!

[redrum52]

9 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Please tell me why the defense performing well for the first half of the season has any relevancy right now. They did not show up at all for the most part the last month or so and that's inexcusable. I'm tired of Pees prevent us from winning defense. 

Yea that Pees prevent when he sent multiple heat and we got absolutely no pressure on those final drives against Pit. 

 

 

You want to see less collapses, how about the offense do their job as well and keep scoring.  Not one or 2 drives that are gifted, but sustain drives and get tds.  Also helpful if you do it for more than a quarter or quarter and a half.  But that seems to be crazy talk around here...  

And they didnt show up for the most part?  This convo done if you're spewing non sense like that.

Edited January 3 by redrum52

[OUravensfan]

1 minute ago, redrum52 said:

Yea that Pees prevent when he sent multiple heat and we got absolutely no pressure on those final drives against Pit. 

 

 

You want to see less collapses, how about the offense do their job as well and keep scoring.  Not one or 2 drives that are gifted, but sustain drives and get tds.  Also helpful if you do it for more than a quarter or quarter and a half.  But that seems to be crazy talk around here...

It's a little bit of both, and they both complement each other in terms of always being on the exact opposite page in a given game, it's maddening. In general, save from 2014 (and we did it then too) I'm so tired of debating scheme vs players, execution vs gameplan, offense vs defense, etc as to why we loose (I understand we have to and it's constructive, but you get the point I'm making). 

Normally, 27 points is enough on the road in Pittsburgh, they did falter as they did so often in the redzone, didn't take advantage of two illegal procedures and only got 3 on defensive INTs....If the offense has a slow start and the defense keeps the game within 2 scores, we usually witness an offensive rally leading to the go-ahead score with < 2-3 minutes left only to watch the defense give up the real game winning drive--I think everyone is tired of this dynamic. 

 

[redrum52]

12 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

It's a little bit of both, and they both complement each other in terms of always being on the exact opposite page in a given game, it's maddening. In general, save from 2014 (and we did it then too) I'm so tired of debating scheme vs players, execution vs gameplan, offense vs defense, etc as to why we loose (I understand we have to and it's constructive, but you get the point I'm making). 

Normally, 27 points is enough on the road in Pittsburgh, they did falter as they did so often in the redzone, didn't take advantage of two illegal procedures and only got 3 on defensive INTs....If the offense has a slow start and the defense keeps the game within 2 scores, we usually witness an offensive rally leading to the go-ahead score with < 2-3 minutes left only to watch the defense give up the real game winning drive--I think everyone is tired of this dynamic. 

 

Very understandable.  Nothing wring with what you just said, but many seem to only see things as black or white here.

[OUravensfan]

9 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Very understandable.  Nothing wring with what you just said, but many seem to only see things as black or white here.

Definitely agree there, with a game that involves 22 players on the field at once and many coaches, it's typically always more than one thing.

[mg90]

Fire Morty if Kubiak wants the job. Fire Pees if Rex wants the job. That's it.  

[Florida Ravens Fan]

The D fell flat in the most important stretch of the season. Gave up 400 yards a game and over 100 yards on the ground. Doesn't matter if we are ranked number 1 if we can't finish out games and get the L that rank means nothing. 

What has so many frustrated it's not that it happens every once in a while it has been happening for years. It is sad that I knew 10 points leading to the 4th quarter was not enough. 

Ofcourse it's not all on Pees duhhh. But it's a trend that has been happening with him and he is the Coordinator and is responsible for how his players perform. 

 Heck the 49ers came back in the SB and almost won after being blown out most of the game. 

The FO gets alot of the blame too for relying on CBs who are injury prone and having sucky depth. Gone too long with neglecting that and the WR position.

I still dont understand how we are ranked so high on D and are one of the best run stuffing teams and fall so flat the last quarter of the season. 

 

[K-Dog]

There needs to be a box for "indifferent ".

I am in the minority I guess in that I don't think any of the big three are  *terrible *.

I am giving them the benefit of that doubt that at some point in time between now and August they will sit down and analyze their strengths and weaknesses.  I think there will be more than a few brainstorming sessions over the summer. 

Bottom line is, John Harbaugh knows more about being a coach in the NFL than anybody here. He might not run things the way many of us would, but he has the right to run things the way he wants.  It seems he has earned it. 

[rossihunter2]

10 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

There needs to be a box for "indifferent ".

I am in the minority I guess in that I don't think any of the big three are  *terrible *.

I am giving them the benefit of that doubt that at some point in time between now and August they will sit down and analyze their strengths and weaknesses.  I think there will be more than a few brainstorming sessions over the summer. 

Bottom line is, John Harbaugh knows more about being a coach in the NFL than anybody here. He might not run things the way many of us would, but he has the right to run things the way he wants.  It seems he has earned it. 

what's promising is harbaugh seems to be looking for a specialist qb coach to work with flacco to add something to the staff

what's promising is we fixed or managed to get better at some of the things we sucked at last year - but new problems have emerged and others still arent fixed which bodes well to this organisation's ability to fix things threw self-analysis etc.

the thing im worried about is certain position groups' development of their young players beyond a certain point - see tight end, safety, wide receiver

[GrimCoconut]

Let's call Peyton and see if he doesn't mind doing us a solid and fixing our QB. Incentivize him with Papa Johns's pizza and chicken parmigiana subs

[Tru11]

4 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Being a top 10 defense means nothing if you can't finish games. 

that top 10 defense is the only reason we where in the position to finish games.

without that top 10 defense games would have been over before entering the 4th quarter....

[pitchblack_20]

At this point, I don't want to hear anything Harbaugh has to say. Same lines over and over with no change. Just prove whatever it is you want to do with this team, and get us back to Ravens football. 

[Moderator 3]

For the record, Harbaugh said there WILL be changes to the coaching staff, just not at the coordinator level.

[balfan23]

51 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

that top 10 defense is the only reason we where in the position to finish games.

without that top 10 defense games would have been over before entering the 4th quarter....

But why did we look like a bottom 5 defense for the last 4 games of the season? 

I'm sorry. I was really excited about our D through the early going, but even then, if we'd take a lead, we'd give it up or allow things to get really scary. Then they flat out disappeared. The defense in 2016 was a tease and then disappointed big time. It is valid to be asking questions as to why this is happening, because the late game issues have been with us for years. 

[Jonah DeVito]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

that top 10 defense is the only reason we where in the position to finish games.

without that top 10 defense games would have been over before entering the 4th quarter....

But after entering the 4th quarter is a whole other story 

[Jonah DeVito]

14 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

But why did we look like a bottom 5 defense for the last 4 games of the season? 

I'm sorry. I was really excited about our D through the early going, but even then, if we'd take a lead, we'd give it up or allow things to get really scary. Then they flat out disappeared. The defense in 2016 was a tease and then disappointed big time. It is valid to be asking questions as to why this is happening, because the late game issues have been with us for years. 

Exactly what I mean.