[News] Ravens Retain Offensive Coordinator Marty Mornhinweg

[Vitalvicious]

Aye yah yah, it'll be the same old stuff next season then. Vanilla offense, nothing exciting nor inventive. Gosh this is just amazing that there's so many talented, young, fresh offensive minds out there in college yet we stick the the same old boring stuff year after year, I couldn't tell you one play to where I was like "dang that's a nice lil wrinkle right there" or "man what a nicely designed play" Smh not a good start to the year!

[outkast1]

Marty Mornhinweg ! A long history of losing ! Happy New Year

[purpledown]

Well no changes. We can officially put the upcoming season on Harbaughs head. These are his people, absolutely no excuses.

[purpledown]

Aye yah yah, it'll be the same old stuff next season then. Vanilla offense, nothing exciting nor inventive. Gosh this is just amazing that there's so many talented, young, fresh offensive minds out there in college yet we stick the the same old boring stuff year after year, I couldn't tell you one play to where I was like "dang that's a nice lil wrinkle right there" or "man what a nicely designed play" Smh not a good start to the year!

the Ravens will be looking for a new HC this time next year.

[HoldingCall]

I am neither surprised nor disappointed. He deserves an off-season to get it together. However, he's capable of getting canned during the season just like the previous.

[Johnny-U]

  7 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

Players have made themselves pretty clear.  And I don't believe they want a change if you listen to Pitta and Joe.  The only people asking for that change are the fans.

What do the players know? Mike McCoy OC and Rex Ryan DC. The players would have a new motivation. McCoy ran a great offense in Denver. Injuries plagued him in SD. Rex is a motivator. The Ravens need motivation. We looked stale half the time. We were. The last game was a preview of next year. 

You seem to have forgotten the 2005 Ravens. The team was 5-11 (I believe), but just as importantly, the coaches (plural) had lost control of the team, both in the locker room and on the field. The defense was totally out of control, and a significant part of the blame goes to Rex Ryan. Rex did good at NY for two years, and has failed the next 5! Sorry, we don't need more of Rex.

[jhulax35]

Should have gone after Mike McCoy OC and Rex Ryan DC. I knew it wouldn't change. Ozzie better spend some money. Proven FA's in their first shot at it. Weddle cost us the Steelers game. We sure missed Daryl Smith. 

Really Weddle cost us the Steelers game lol a lot more cost us the steeler game and he Weddle was hell of pic up and he had good season

[Que3pi]

I often hate fans who adopt this mentality, but in all honesty, after all these years, I think Harbaugh's nonsense has finally worn completely thin. He AND his coordinators need to be gone. And Joe Flacco needs to either play like his job depends on it, or leave as well.

I totally agree..... Amen

[law215]

Ravens were a tipped passed away from being 7-9. Steelers, Bengals (with backup), and Patriots absent special teams errors dominated this team towards the end of the year. To think they are moving in the right direction proves they lost their minds.

17th in yards and 21st in points scored. In what world would someone think that you need consistency there. This team couldn't beat the Jets.

Add to that the guys the team will lose do to free agency.

I can't wait to hear the in of season press conference.

[smiley4660]

  2 hours ago, Ravens_Flock said:

I often hate fans who adopt this mentality, but in all honesty, after all these years, I think Harbaugh's nonsense has finally worn completely thin. He AND his coordinators need to be gone. And Joe Flacco needs to either play like his job depends on it, or leave as well.

I totally agree..... Amen

I also agree.

[smiley4660]

The real, perfect ending to this season will be a notification that our season ticket prices will increase for 2017! Go Ravens!

[The Mom Gene]

1 hour ago, Johnny-U said:

You seem to have forgotten the 2005 Ravens. The team was 5-11 (I believe), but just as importantly, the coaches (plural) had lost control of the team, both in the locker room and on the field. The defense was totally out of control, and a significant part of the blame goes to Rex Ryan. Rex did good at NY for two years, and has failed the next 5! Sorry, we don't need more of Rex.

Ravenpic made that comment.  I in no way want Rex back here.  I don't believe he is he answer at all. 

[BigUgly]

8 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Ravenpic made that comment.  I in no way want Rex back here.  I don't believe he is he answer at all. 

Rex inherited a Jim Schwartz #5 D in Buffalo, and promptly turned it around into a #25 D.  Adding his brother made it worse.  I agree, he would be a mistake.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

3 hours ago, Johnny-U said:

Defensive stats are meaningless if your defense does great in quarters 1-3, but can't hold a lead in the 4th, and this describes the Ravens 2016 defense.

Right, I think I said that in my post. People that don't actually follow the Ravens might wonder why the fans here in Baltimore are sick of Pees when he turns in a top ranked defense. Well, they'd have to watch the team to understand.

[sp3ctor]

Some of the mistakes made this year my Mornhinweg were typical of a coordinator who takes over mid-season, and some of the mistakes were to do with the lack of play-makers on the offensive side of the ball, but Mornhinweg still called some truly baffling games and mostly ran an imbalanced offense. That being said...who exactly is out there who can come in and be a guaranteed improvement to the guy? If Kubes wanted to come back or Rick Dennison becomes available, sure why not. But there isn't a whole lot floating around out there in the way of coaching talent. With that said, why not open it up to a few candidates, with Mornhinweg being a possible hire? Why not at least test the water? Where exactly was Mornhinweg going to disappear to?
Regardless, this off season we NEED to find an offensive weapon and take the time to slowly readjust the offense to suit Flacco's strengths. I've said it all season, Flacco has not lost a step. Flacco isn't going to Drew Brees his way to 5000 yards season after season. He needs a solid run game to open up single coverage and get teams biting on the boots and PA. So long as Mornhinweg can bring balance the offense and keep Joe from leading the league in attempts, and so long as Ozzie can get his hands on an actual offensive weapon, we'll be locking horns with the Steelers again next year for the AFC North title. But we need both of those things to happen in order to do that. Ozzie doesn't pick based off of need you say? & he doesn't trade away draft picks to chase players in high rounds you say? Well that's too bad for Ozzie. He should trade away everything, including his shirt to move up and get the top offensive prospect in this years draft. We cannot come away with a defensive player in the first round if we hope to right the ship in 2017.

[#Nevermore]

We all agree that the offense needs explosive plays. The only problem I have is putting our players in position to take the ball the length of the field. Also I like West and I like Dixon more, but neither one of them can break a long run and take it to the house. They will always be caught from behind. I like Pitta, but he can break one either. Guys who can make someone miss and take it to the house are what I call playmakers. Wallace and Camp both have shown they can do it given the opportunity, but who else? Perriman maybe, but where's the consistency? He may not even catch the ball. We have to get playmakers!

[mc_red23]

9 minutes ago, sp3ctor said:

Some of the mistakes made this year my Mornhinweg were typical of a coordinator who takes over mid-season, and some of the mistakes were to do with the lack of play-makers on the offensive side of the ball, but Mornhinweg still called some truly baffling games and mostly ran an imbalanced offense. That being said...who exactly is out there who can come in and be a guaranteed improvement to the guy? If Kubes wanted to come back or Rick Dennison becomes available, sure why not. But there isn't a whole lot floating around out there in the way of coaching talent. With that said, why not open it up to a few candidates, with Mornhinweg being a possible hire? Why not at least test the water? Where exactly was Mornhinweg going to disappear to?
Regardless, this off season we NEED to find an offensive weapon and take the time to slowly readjust the offense to suit Flacco's strengths. I've said it all season, Flacco has not lost a step. Flacco isn't going to Drew Brees his way to 5000 yards season after season. He needs a solid run game to open up single coverage and get teams biting on the boots and PA. So long as Mornhinweg can bring balance the offense and keep Joe from leading the league in attempts, and so long as Ozzie can get his hands on an actual offensive weapon, we'll be locking horns with the Steelers again next year for the AFC North title. But we need both of those things to happen in order to do that. Ozzie doesn't pick based off of need you say? & he doesn't trade away draft picks to chase players in high rounds you say? Well that's too bad for Ozzie. He should trade away everything, including his shirt to move up and get the top offensive prospect in this years draft. We cannot come away with a defensive player in the first round if we hope to right the ship in 2017.

So there's next to nobody out there but we should test the water anyway? How do you test the water with next to nobody? 

Mornhinweg has shown time after time that he has no idea how to execute a balanced game between running and throwing. We run it well for a quarter or two and then it disappears and we end up throwing throughout the second half. That's one of the biggest issues with him. It doesn't surprise me though considering he was the QB coach, he'll want Flacco to throw as much as possible if they have each other's ear. 

Don't talk like Flacco has had no weapons to use throughout the season, they've been there, he just hasn't known how to use them or has been handed plays which makes them irrelevant. 

[Ugly Ball]

I guess it really doesn't matter. The OC isn't constantly throwing off his back foot. Flacco is so inaccurate that he couldn't hit an elephant with a handful of rice. Let's face it the only thing all 5 coordinators have in common is Flacco is their QB. Maybe the problem is Flacco.

Watched Joe's highlights from 2012 and about 40% of his throws were off his back foot! Pretty much the same as he was doing this year. My question is if MM was his QB coach and couldn't get Joe to have any better mechanics why would they premote him to OC ?

[Crusader]

Some of the mistakes made this year my Mornhinweg were typical of a coordinator who takes over mid-season, and some of the mistakes were to do with the lack of play-makers on the offensive side of the ball, but Mornhinweg still called some truly baffling games and mostly ran an imbalanced offense. That being said...who exactly is out there who can come in and be a guaranteed improvement to the guy? If Kubes wanted to come back or Rick Dennison becomes available, sure why not. But there isn't a whole lot floating around out there in the way of coaching talent. With that said, why not open it up to a few candidates, with Mornhinweg being a possible hire? Why not at least test the water? Where exactly was Mornhinweg going to disappear to?
Regardless, this off season we NEED to find an offensive weapon and take the time to slowly readjust the offense to suit Flacco's strengths. I've said it all season, Flacco has not lost a step. Flacco isn't going to Drew Brees his way to 5000 yards season after season. He needs a solid run game to open up single coverage and get teams biting on the boots and PA. So long as Mornhinweg can bring balance the offense and keep Joe from leading the league in attempts, and so long as Ozzie can get his hands on an actual offensive weapon, we'll be locking horns with the Steelers again next year for the AFC North title. But we need both of those things to happen in order to do that. Ozzie doesn't pick based off of need you say? & he doesn't trade away draft picks to chase players in high rounds you say? Well that's too bad for Ozzie. He should trade away everything, including his shirt to move up and get the top offensive prospect in this years draft. We cannot come away with a defensive player in the first round if we hope to right the ship in 2017.

Find a offensive weapon? How about they try and use the ones they got? Can't do anything running "check down Joe"

[OzzieBisciotti]

Mornhinweg will most likely get fired next year by Harbs. Also, you can't expect this team to win on both the offense and defense sides of the house because we simply have no base or foundation of young players who can help at a low cost because we've drafted so terribly over the past 5 years.

[OzzieBisciotti]

  4 hours ago, Johnny-U said:

Defensive stats are meaningless if your defense does great in quarters 1-3, but can't hold a lead in the 4th, and this describes the Ravens 2016 defense.

Right, I think I said that in my post. People that don't actually follow the Ravens might wonder why the fans here in Baltimore are sick of Pees when he turns in a top ranked defense. Well, they'd have to watch the team to understand.

We had the easiest schedule in 2016 because we were so terrible in 2015- so our defense wasn't really top ranked because we recently played against so many inferior teams

[Mahatma_Sloth]

8 hours ago, ravenmaniac112351 said:

I guess it really doesn't matter. The OC isn't constantly throwing off his back foot. Flacco is so inaccurate that he couldn't hit an elephant with a handful of rice. Let's face it the only thing all 5 coordinators have in common is Flacco is their QB. Maybe the problem is Flacco.

weird, must have been some other qb that set our consecutive completion record this year. but you are right, Flacco was a huge problem for Kubiak.....

[OzzieBisciotti]

I think we need to cut Flacco and start all over- even better, cut Oz and DaCosta too and get Scot McCloughan from Washington to run things in Baltimore-

[Mahatma_Sloth]

Just now, OzzieBisciotti said:

I think we need to cut Flacco and start all over- even better, cut Oz and DaCosta too and get Scot McCloughan from Washington to run things in Baltimore-

you must not remember the dark times between Vinny and Joe... or maybe you were just spoiled '08 and on

[Crusader]

I think we need to cut Flacco and start all over- even better, cut Oz and DaCosta too and get Scot McCloughan from Washington to run things in Baltimore-

I would not go that far but he sure the heck is not worth Brady and Rogers money. Pay reduction would go à long way in saving the Ravens future.

[Crusader]

  On Tuesday, January 03, 2017 at 8:53 PM, EdTheMythicalOne said:

  On Tuesday, January 03, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Johnny-U said:

Defensive stats are meaningless if your defense does great in quarters 1-3, but can't hold a lead in the 4th, and this describes the Ravens 2016 defense.

Right, I think I said that in my post. People that don't actually follow the Ravens might wonder why the fans here in Baltimore are sick of Pees when he turns in a top ranked defense. Well, they'd have to watch the team to understand.

We had the easiest schedule in 2016 because we were so terrible in 2015- so our defense wasn't really top ranked because we recently played against so many inferior teams

People say Ravens have a top defense but how come they got ran over by good teams. Another false stat like Joe's yards.

[Ugly Ball]

Look Marty Morningweg was brought in to be a QB coach, something I think he excels at. As OC he did alright, given a mid-season rush to take over and do things his way (correct things).

I agree he should stay, but as the QB coach and not OC. Now there is a gap at QB coach, which is sorely needed. Flacco's mechanics seemed to regress this past season (overall).

An improvement in offense, over the lack luster offense Trestman implemented, is not saying a whole lot. Heck, I could have improved upon that.

How can sitting below .500 mark in offensive production be a good thing? This team has all kinds of playmakers, yet you rarely were reminded of that fact save for maybe one or two games this season.

Since John Harbaugh already made up his mind, who is he going to get for a QB coach, that is going to help Flacco correct his mechanics again? Don't tell me he doesn't need a lot of coaching and correcting. His fakes tend to fake himself out more than the defense and his anticipation disappears for stretches. He needs a drill sergeant type QB coach who is going to put a sense of urgency into every thing Joe does on the field.

If a good QB coach isn't to be found, then at the very least put some pressure on him to succeed, since the best play from Joe comes when he is under pressure to perform (playing for his future and contract). Look what happened when Ray Lewis tore him a strip. Whoa he got mad and actually played up to his potential. Ray's words may have seemed harsh, but they were true, and look what resulted. Joe doesn't get himself up so much as being challenged outright does. Talk to Ray and put him on contract to call, email or whatever Joe the day before a game and challenge him.

P.S. - Marty, you have one of the best FB's in the NFL, of which only a small handful of teams have a FB at all. Use the FB more. This is a team that used to pride itself on running the football down opponents throats even when they knew it was coming. Also, tell Juan Castillo his run blocking schemes are gone. They only served to regress the run game every year since being implemented. Go back to the zone stretch run blocking, it is simpler and allows for players to play faster with less to concern themselves with.

I'm pretty sure what Joe needs more than a Drill Sargent QB coach is a prescription for Ritalin !
This, I believe is the only thing that's going to give him Lazer focus. He looks like he's half asleep some games and always seams to play down to teams we should destroy. It was obvious to me as someone with ADD that during our Superbowl run, Joe really needs massive amounts of pressure on him to stimulate him enough to get him focused. That's why he has done well in the hurry up offense. I think using PA and rolling him out also is something we should do more of.

[Ugly Ball]

  5 hours ago, birdseye said:

Apologies for being long winded.

Now frustration is starting to kick in. I'm almost always an optimist regarding the ravens as I have a lot of faith in our front office, but the status quo wasn't CLOSE to being good enough this year, so lets keep the same?

Sadly, Joe is completely oblivious to his own shortcomings (and the offenses as a whole for that matter)... Its honestly insulting that he thinks the Raven's Flock is THAT stupid to accept such an answer; that situations dictated abandoning the run game all year leading to the skewed stats. News Flash, ravens fans know football and were tired of hearing the same crap out of your mouth when the games that we are watching with our own eyes don't support your comments? All Joe wants is to have the stats so that the sports world will finally call him an elite quarterback. his answer to the play call that almost cost us the Philly game is as close to admittance as you'll ever see when using coach/player speak.

My eternal optimist side is saying that perhaps Morningwheg was handicapped by Trestman's flawed offense and had no choice but to tailor his game-plan accordingly, but his history as an OC suggests otherwise. If we do not have a hammering run game next year, complimented by play action and explosive plays, Harbs gets the door. Much less optimism after listening to his press conference this morning.

"but the status quo wasn't CLOSE to being good enough this year, so lets keep the same..."

Not really, We were INCHES away from being 10-6 and #3 seed in the AFC - INCHES (look back at the Pittsburgh and Washington games). We didn't get there, but we were pretty darn close.

We were also close to losing a couple more games by a play or two. We need to look at getting back to dominate football !
Not bend but don't break, let's try not to lose by one play, football..!

[bigcatfrank1]

  2 hours ago, sp3ctor said:

Some of the mistakes made this year my Mornhinweg were typical of a coordinator who takes over mid-season, and some of the mistakes were to do with the lack of play-makers on the offensive side of the ball, but Mornhinweg still called some truly baffling games and mostly ran an imbalanced offense. That being said...who exactly is out there who can come in and be a guaranteed improvement to the guy? If Kubes wanted to come back or Rick Dennison becomes available, sure why not. But there isn't a whole lot floating around out there in the way of coaching talent. With that said, why not open it up to a few candidates, with Mornhinweg being a possible hire? Why not at least test the water? Where exactly was Mornhinweg going to disappear to?
Regardless, this off season we NEED to find an offensive weapon and take the time to slowly readjust the offense to suit Flacco's strengths. I've said it all season, Flacco has not lost a step. Flacco isn't going to Drew Brees his way to 5000 yards season after season. He needs a solid run game to open up single coverage and get teams biting on the boots and PA. So long as Mornhinweg can bring balance the offense and keep Joe from leading the league in attempts, and so long as Ozzie can get his hands on an actual offensive weapon, we'll be locking horns with the Steelers again next year for the AFC North title. But we need both of those things to happen in order to do that. Ozzie doesn't pick based off of need you say? & he doesn't trade away draft picks to chase players in high rounds you say? Well that's too bad for Ozzie. He should trade away everything, including his shirt to move up and get the top offensive prospect in this years draft. We cannot come away with a defensive player in the first round if we hope to right the ship in 2017.

So there's next to nobody out there but we should test the water anyway? How do you test the water with next to nobody? 

Mornhinweg has shown time after time that he has no idea how to execute a balanced game between running and throwing. We run it well for a quarter or two and then it disappears and we end up throwing throughout the second half. That's one of the biggest issues with him. It doesn't surprise me though considering he was the QB coach, he'll want Flacco to throw as much as possible if they have each other's ear. 

Don't talk like Flacco has had no weapons to use throughout the season, they've been there, he just hasn't known how to use them or has been handed plays which makes them irrelevant. 

Name the 2106 NFL Team 1st in Passing Yards, Ist in Avg Yrds per Game and 2nd in Points per Game. - without looking. Now tell me if the QB and OC are the problem that this team went 7-9 this season. Yes that's' right Drew Brees and the NO Saints. Sure we hear the excuses about schedule, competition, and run game...etc. But these 2 teams continue to look very similar. Just like the Colts who finish with stats very, very similar to the Ravens this year. I ask you Mc, You want to trade Joe for Luck? Lucks contract is for 1 more year than Joe's and it is worth more money over the full term. I for one would rather have Frank Gore.
I believe that the Ravens needed 250 more running yards this season. Look at Pitsberrrg and Miami the difference was their running backs.
I know the play calling appears to be one sided, however when the opportunity is given the Rock must be advanced. If it was the Front line and the Running Backs...then that is 2 areas to work on as well. There are other areas as well...but that is not the discussion here.
Personally i have watched Joe Flacco every play of his career, just like every other player on this team. Playmakers/ Pro Bowlers catch 18 out of 20 passes. The ONLY receiver that had a 75% reception rate was Dennis Pitta. SS Sr.even came in slightly below that mark
When you can put a Playmaker on this team then you can start talking about replacing an MVP, Super Bowl, 3 Time Play off Champion QB and the All Time Leading Ravens Quarterback. regardless of how you like his use of weapons. Sure there have been some weapons, but that's like saying go win the war with 2 machine guns, a couple ofo pistols, 1/2 dozen carving knives and maybe 1 hand grenade. You will take some enemy out along the way down, but that's about all.

[sizzlingdoom]

  8 hours ago, Ravens_Flock said:

I often hate fans who adopt this mentality, but in all honesty, after all these years, I think Harbaugh's nonsense has finally worn completely thin. He AND his coordinators need to be gone. And Joe Flacco needs to either play like his job depends on it, or leave as well.

I totally agree..... Amen

I agree as well. Can't believe I'd ever feel this way, but I do. Big time. Worst coach season I've ever seen by a long shot. Can't have it. Esp. this year when there's nobody in the AFC except the Gronk-less pats. I say let Pagano or Wade Phillips run the D, Norv the O, then Mr. Biscotti can pick the right man to run it all