[News] Ravens Retain Offensive Coordinator Marty Mornhinweg

[outkast1]

The race to the bottom begins today January 3,2017. You think NFL viewership was down ? Watch what happens when other fans out number the Ravens fans. Oh wait ! They started this year or did you not notice the fan drop off.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

This doesn't seem to make much sense to me at all. On one hand you want to change your identity on offense...be creative, and run the ball more, but you keep the same guy who didn't do a good job of any of that. How is a position coach being creative going to help you with offensive game calling?

The only thing that would make sense to me is if Marty was essentially keeping the same playbook as Trestman so that the offense wouldn't have to learn a whole new offense part way through the season. That his gameplan would be something different.

It is hard to argue the stats to make a case against Dean Pees if you just looked at the stats. A top 5 run defense and a top 10 pass defense and a top 10 overall defense. It isn't until you watch the games and see how this team loses that you begin to understand what the issues are. Late in games the defense went into "cover 0 zone" or something because the one thing you should never do is let a man get wide open deep with less than a minute left in the game...and that's precisely what happened over and over again. The day,night coverage of the secondary when Jimmy Smith plays or not was a huge issue. The team failed to generate a consistent pass rush, something that has been said since Dum and Suggs had their awesome tandem year. The team did generate more turnovers though, a lot more, which is something that was highly emphasized.

The Special Teams unit were not really all that special. Koch is a very good angular punter and Tucker is one of the best kickers ever to play the game. The coverage units were pretty decent this year. The return game has been an issue since Jacoby Jones left.

So, if this is what Harbaugh wants, let him have it. It will be his job to lose if the same results happen. Maybe he proves us all wrong, but I for one am not really excited about our team going into the off season as I was coming back from the injury marred 2015 season. This team should have been so much better.

[Grapple Raven]

51 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

Same coaches, same losing mindset, same lame excuses for why they can't get it done.  Brace yourselves!

We didn't even re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic for 2017, smdh!

[ymelamed]

Harbaugh just put his job on the line if we don't do well next year it's his fault offense or defense (Pees should've been fired long time ago) didn't change. 

[davy_861]

The only improvement was the Miami game. We need a running game. Can we get a good rb please. So much inconsistency at many positions but we all see what zek has done for Dallas.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

The only improvement was the Miami game. We need a running game. Can we get a good rb please. So much inconsistency at many positions but we all see what zek has done for Dallas.

we already have 2 very good running backs the OC was just to stupid to use them

[surfdude]

I'm done. No more Sunday ticket. No more wasting my Sunday's watching pathetic football. No more fan apparel. If this team isn't gonna make some changes after a pathetic 4 years I will.

[TheRavengers]

40 minutes ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets just write off 2017 as another lost year. No offense, No quarterback, Nothing changing. Thank GOD I don't have season tickets to throw away!!!!

Good, because something actually has to happen first. 

[surfdude]

The only improvement was the Miami game. We need a running game. Can we get a good rb please. So much inconsistency at many positions but we all see what zek has done for Dallas.

Zek would be running into a brick wall if he played for the Ravens. At least fire Juan. Man, if you want job security work for the Ravens.

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, BigUgly said:

So let's take a stroll down Martyball OC Memory Lane.

2011 - Eagles:  8-8, 280 pts (last in division)

2012 - Eagles:  4-12, 280 pts (last in division)

2013 - Jets:  8-8, 290 pts (last in division)

2014 - Jets:  4-12, 283 pts. (last in division)

See any patterns? 

That's some UgLy stuff!

[Militant X 1]

17 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

We didn't even re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic for 2017, smdh!

Grapple, everything flows from the top down!  Same leadership at the top....same results on the field!  SMH!!

Edited January 3 by Militant X 1

[Johnny-U]

Lets just write off 2017 as another lost year. No offense, No quarterback, Nothing changing. Thank GOD I don't have season tickets to throw away!!!!

The 2016 Ravens came within inches of being the 3rd seed in the AFC. While I am not happy about "just missing", making major changes because we came up inches short will make us more like Cleveland than New England.

[ravenpic]

Should have gone after Mike McCoy OC and Rex Ryan DC. I knew it wouldn't change. Ozzie better spend some money. Proven FA's in their first shot at it. Weddle cost us the Steelers game. We sure missed Daryl Smith. 

[Johnny-U]

While I think changes are needed, I'm not sure what those changes are at the staff level. I would have been happy with a new OC and DC, but think about this: IF the Ravens make the playoffs in 2017 all are happy. If they fail to make the playoffs in 2017 I think Harbaugh will be gone. At that point, you either fire the entire staff and bring in a new HC, and let him pick his staff, or you promote a coordinator. Maybe the owner is just giving Harbs one more year to get back to the playoffs.

[Johnny-U]

This doesn't seem to make much sense to me at all. On one hand you want to change your identity on offense...be creative, and run the ball more, but you keep the same guy who didn't do a good job of any of that. How is a position coach being creative going to help you with offensive game calling?

The only thing that would make sense to me is if Marty was essentially keeping the same playbook as Trestman so that the offense wouldn't have to learn a whole new offense part way through the season. That his gameplan would be something different.

It is hard to argue the stats to make a case against Dean Pees if you just looked at the stats. A top 5 run defense and a top 10 pass defense and a top 10 overall defense. It isn't until you watch the games and see how this team loses that you begin to understand what the issues are. Late in games the defense went into "cover 0 zone" or something because the one thing you should never do is let a man get wide open deep with less than a minute left in the game...and that's precisely what happened over and over again. The day,night coverage of the secondary when Jimmy Smith plays or not was a huge issue. The team failed to generate a consistent pass rush, something that has been said since Dum and Suggs had their awesome tandem year. The team did generate more turnovers though, a lot more, which is something that was highly emphasized.

The Special Teams unit were not really all that special. Koch is a very good angular punter and Tucker is one of the best kickers ever to play the game. The coverage units were pretty decent this year. The return game has been an issue since Jacoby Jones left.

So, if this is what Harbaugh wants, let him have it. It will be his job to lose if the same results happen. Maybe he proves us all wrong, but I for one am not really excited about our team going into the off season as I was coming back from the injury marred 2015 season. This team should have been so much better.

Defensive stats are meaningless if your defense does great in quarters 1-3, but can't hold a lead in the 4th, and this describes the Ravens 2016 defense.

[Johnny-U]

Apologies for being long winded.

Now frustration is starting to kick in. I'm almost always an optimist regarding the ravens as I have a lot of faith in our front office, but the status quo wasn't CLOSE to being good enough this year, so lets keep the same?

Sadly, Joe is completely oblivious to his own shortcomings (and the offenses as a whole for that matter)... Its honestly insulting that he thinks the Raven's Flock is THAT stupid to accept such an answer; that situations dictated abandoning the run game all year leading to the skewed stats. News Flash, ravens fans know football and were tired of hearing the same crap out of your mouth when the games that we are watching with our own eyes don't support your comments? All Joe wants is to have the stats so that the sports world will finally call him an elite quarterback. his answer to the play call that almost cost us the Philly game is as close to admittance as you'll ever see when using coach/player speak.

My eternal optimist side is saying that perhaps Morningwheg was handicapped by Trestman's flawed offense and had no choice but to tailor his game-plan accordingly, but his history as an OC suggests otherwise. If we do not have a hammering run game next year, complimented by play action and explosive plays, Harbs gets the door. Much less optimism after listening to his press conference this morning.

"but the status quo wasn't CLOSE to being good enough this year, so lets keep the same..."

Not really, We were INCHES away from being 10-6 and #3 seed in the AFC - INCHES (look back at the Pittsburgh and Washington games). We didn't get there, but we were pretty darn close.

[TheRavengers]

30 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

That's some UgLy stuff!

Don't forget his tenure as a head coach for the Lions, where he won a grand total of 5 games over the course of 2 seasons.

[Ravens_Flock]

I often hate fans who adopt this mentality, but in all honesty, after all these years, I think Harbaugh's nonsense has finally worn completely thin. He AND his coordinators need to be gone. And Joe Flacco needs to either play like his job depends on it, or leave as well.

[Ravens_Flock]

  3 hours ago, birdseye said:

Apologies for being long winded.

Now frustration is starting to kick in. I'm almost always an optimist regarding the ravens as I have a lot of faith in our front office, but the status quo wasn't CLOSE to being good enough this year, so lets keep the same?

Sadly, Joe is completely oblivious to his own shortcomings (and the offenses as a whole for that matter)... Its honestly insulting that he thinks the Raven's Flock is THAT stupid to accept such an answer; that situations dictated abandoning the run game all year leading to the skewed stats. News Flash, ravens fans know football and were tired of hearing the same crap out of your mouth when the games that we are watching with our own eyes don't support your comments? All Joe wants is to have the stats so that the sports world will finally call him an elite quarterback. his answer to the play call that almost cost us the Philly game is as close to admittance as you'll ever see when using coach/player speak.

My eternal optimist side is saying that perhaps Morningwheg was handicapped by Trestman's flawed offense and had no choice but to tailor his game-plan accordingly, but his history as an OC suggests otherwise. If we do not have a hammering run game next year, complimented by play action and explosive plays, Harbs gets the door. Much less optimism after listening to his press conference this morning.

"but the status quo wasn't CLOSE to being good enough this year, so lets keep the same..."

Not really, We were INCHES away from being 10-6 and #3 seed in the AFC - INCHES (look back at the Pittsburgh and Washington games). We didn't get there, but we were pretty darn close.

Inches? Were we inches away from beating the Bengals, who were missing their top stars and had little to play for?

Yes, inches away from being one and done in the playoffs. The D's stats were inflated by playing bad teams/offenses, and that showed down the stretch. And the offense was one of the worst the Ravens have ever fielded. Which is no surprise, because the Ravens offense since 2013 (barring 2014) has been awful. It's been a problem, regardless of coordinators. It's just that the coordinators haven't helped matters at all. Realistically speaking, the common denominator, however, has always been Joe, and his very UN-Elite issues which have persisted since his rookie year.

These Ravens didn't make the playoffs because they weren't good enough to. And even if they somehow had stumbled into the playoffs, there is no way we would have competed against good teams.

[ravenpic]

5 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

Players have made themselves pretty clear.  And I don't believe they want a change if you listen to Pitta and Joe.  The only people asking for that change are the fans.

What do the players know? Mike McCoy OC and Rex Ryan DC. The players would have a new motivation. McCoy ran a great offense in Denver. Injuries plagued him in SD. Rex is a motivator. The Ravens need motivation. We looked stale half the time. We were. The last game was a preview of next year. 

[AirforceOne79]

Well Harbaugh has tied his fate to these mediocre coordinators. I hope he knows what he is doing or he will most likely be gone right along with them come next off-season. 

[The Mom Gene]

1 minute ago, ravenpic said:

What do the players know? Mike McCoy OC and Rex Ryan DC. The players would have a new motivation. McCoy ran a great offense in Denver. Injuries plagued him in SD. Rex is a motivator. The Ravens need motivation. We looked stale half the time. We were. The last game was a preview of next year. 

That is your opinion, and you are rightly entitled to it.  Sorry, I respectfully disagree,   and I'm personally glad you're not in charge of our team.

[Crusader]

I'm done. No more Sunday ticket. No more wasting my Sunday's watching pathetic football. No more fan apparel. If this team isn't gonna make some changes after a pathetic 4 years I will.

Look at the brightside Ravens will get some good draft picks if Ozzie does not blow that again.

[Militant X 1]

27 minutes ago, Johnny-U said:

The 2016 Ravens came within inches of being the 3rd seed in the AFC. While I am not happy about "just missing", making major changes because we came up inches short will make us more like Cleveland than New England.

Who says?  

 

[surfdude]

SB will look back on these last 2 seasons and regret not making changes. Another year of bad football and another year in which the Ravens could be rebuilding a new fresh look.

[outkast1]

33 minutes ago, Crusader said:

1 hour ago, surfdude said:

I'm done. No more Sunday ticket. No more wasting my Sunday's watching pathetic football. No more fan apparel. If this team isn't gonna make some changes after a pathetic 4 years I will.

Look at the brightside Ravens will get some good draft picks if Ozzie does not blow that again.

Last years 2nd and 3rd round picks are awful ! Who are these guys?

Edited January 3 by outkast1

[balfan23]

2 hours ago, Ohboy said:

Why is this article entitled, Ravens retain OC...". Why is it not "Ravens retain DC..."? It was the defense that gave up three full field length drives in the 4th quarter to the Steelers. It was the offensive that drove the length of the field to take the lead with a minute left. Stop that last drive by Ben and Antonio and the whole perspective of the season changes
Pees was the DC for the Pats for three years and then he leaves to become the linebacker coach for the Ravens for 'personal reasons". How about because he was not respected nor trusted any longer in Foxboro and was told to get packing or pick up his pink slip.
Marty had 10 games to right the offensive ship. Pees has had six years.
The offense improved in the back half of the season the defense, not so much.
Enough of Pees. Pick up your social security check and retire with some pride left!
I am no expert in blocking but the appearance of Juan Castillo has correlated with the disappearance of the Ravens running game regardless of who the OC was. Flacco has accepted the revolving door of OC's without complaint but he spoke up yesterday that consistency has value. And bringing in a recently fired HC or OC to be quarterback coach will have Marty whistling past the graveyard as his replacement is hired.
Go Ravens!
 

I really do agree. While Marty hasn't given me a lot of reason to get excited, I'm not entirely surprised that we've retained him. We've definitely got issues with consistency on that side of the ball and got to find a way to get better in the run game, but defensive collapse has become a Ravens hallmark of this team since 2013. So many times at the ends of games when we need to stand firm, the opposing offense cuts through us like a hot knife through butter. 

If the offense finally clicks and gets us a late lead, it will be gone on the next possession. I don't know how that is OK. Injuries have been used as an excuse over recent years, but I'm sorry ... we can't just say Jimmy's out so we're going to fall apart. There is something missing on the defensive side of the ball and I don't care what our ranking is. We play good teams, they slice and dice us and not matter who we play, the end of games we freeze up and get abused. 

[btfan2]

  1 hour ago, davy_861 said:

The only improvement was the Miami game. We need a running game. Can we get a good rb please. So much inconsistency at many positions but we all see what zek has done for Dallas.

we already have 2 very good running backs the OC was just to stupid to use them

Dallas has also provided zek with an O-line and a running game that is used.

[SoCalRaven]

This is depressing.

[feartheflock]

Lets hope this will result in Harbaughs firing next season.