[News] Ravens Retain Offensive Coordinator Marty Mornhinweg

[bozo]

john better worry about his job if he fails to make the playoffs next year, he should be history. and joe flacco should reduce his salary, he is definitely not worth 20 mill a year. hes average at best. take the money and bye other players

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, bozo said:

john better worry about his job if he fails to make the playoffs next year, he should be history. and joe flacco should reduce his salary, he is definitely not worth 20 mill a year. hes average at best. take the money and bye other players

average qbs are apparently worth 20 mill - where have you been - there are at least two average qbs who are going to paid 20 mill a year or more after this season anyway - tyrod taylor and kirk cousins

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Here is what Mary considers his worse call. "His most notable moment as a head coach came during a 2002 game against the Chicago Bears. The game went into overtime, and the Lions won the ensuing coin toss. However, Mornhinweg felt that having the wind in his favor was more important than getting the ball, despite having Jason Hanson (who hit a then-NCAA record 62-yard field goal in his college days at Washington State University) as his kicker. He elected to kick, rather than receive. As it turned out, the Lions never got the ball; on the Bears' opening drive, Chicago scored a field goal to win the game" Yea this guy is real bright.

I said the same thing when we first hired him he has been an OC at least twice before with jets and philly fired from both and their is a reason andy reid didn't bring him to kc

[Bruce_Almty]

That's a disheartening start to the new year. Can someone say 6-10 record next season? MAGA, and on to the State of the Ravens address.

[Crusader]

"Look Marty Morningweg was brought in to be a QB coach," How that work out?

[mrc724]

  1 hour ago, surfdude said:

  1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

  1 hour ago, surfdude said:

Steelers and Bengals will be 10 win teams next year. Ravens playing at Green Bay , Tennessee , Minnesota and Oakland will be lucky to win 5 games next year with this 1990's coaching staff and roster. Very disappointed in Steve.

It's totally impossible to make any sensible predictions for next season now. We won't even know their rosters in more than half a year...

I've seen enough to make an educated prediction about next season.

Me to another 8-8 or 9-7 at best I don't know why steve B would give it another year clearly harbaugh likes his buddies but at the expense of paying fans and another year

This is the way in the coaching profession, Quid Quo Pro. I'll take care of you now, you take care of me later. I bet that Bisciotti doesn't work this way in his other businesses.

[Purple Hazard]

I'm a little surprised about that. Morningweg did alright I guess but I'm certain with all the coaches out there who have been fired we could find a better OC.

[Ohboy]

Why is this article entitled, Ravens retain OC...". Why is it not "Ravens retain DC..."? It was the defense that gave up three full field length drives in the 4th quarter to the Steelers. It was the offensive that drove the length of the field to take the lead with a minute left. Stop that last drive by Ben and Antonio and the whole perspective of the season changes
Pees was the DC for the Pats for three years and then he leaves to become the linebacker coach for the Ravens for 'personal reasons". How about because he was not respected nor trusted any longer in Foxboro and was told to get packing or pick up his pink slip.
Marty had 10 games to right the offensive ship. Pees has had six years.
The offense improved in the back half of the season the defense, not so much.
Enough of Pees. Pick up your social security check and retire with some pride left!
I am no expert in blocking but the appearance of Juan Castillo has correlated with the disappearance of the Ravens running game regardless of who the OC was. Flacco has accepted the revolving door of OC's without complaint but he spoke up yesterday that consistency has value. And bringing in a recently fired HC or OC to be quarterback coach will have Marty whistling past the graveyard as his replacement is hired.
Go Ravens!

[mc_red23]

I don't understand the premise of keeping a coordinator just to save face on having a different one every year. Is it any surprise we keep having different OC's when Harbaugh is free to hire whoever he damn pleases? How long does it have to go on before the book finally stops with the head coach? I wasn't in favour of firing Harbaugh before this season but I've since lost all faith in him. Harbaugh best hope we have an amazing draft and check downs without ever running the ball starts working. Sort of lost faith in Bisciotti too, he's all talk and no action. 

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  56 minutes ago, mrc724 said:

Harbaugh relies too much on the OLD BOY NETWORK. How long was Morningweg and Pees, out of league. Both were mediocre in their last jobs. As a manger, you need to infuse new blood in organization.

I'd even take Lane Kiffin at this point. Did I really say that, Yikes.

Marty's last head coach tenure was 2001-2002 with the Detroit Lions, he was 5-27 in that time period. Before he came here, he spent 2013-2014 with the Jets, and before that he was with the Eagles from 2003-2012, as an assistant and then OC later on.

Dean Pees was never a head coach in the NFL. His last head coaching job was with Kent State from 1998-2003 and then he spent the next 6 years as a defensive coach to the Pats.

And Bill Belicheck fired him for the same things he does here give up leads late in games soft and off coverage no creativity no game time adjustments his D is easy to game plan for and after years of the same thing pees still isn't smart enough to change and that's just stupid

[boconnor]

I have long been a fan & supporter of John Harbaugh but with this move he has linked his fate with Marty Mornhinweg what a bone head move. He is Rex Ryan like in his loyalty to his coordinators as Rex is to players (See todays Yardbarker). Marty should be gone as there are plenty of better candidates available. Pees is on the Hot seat and I wouldn't mind if he was gone also. I know we are talking about a person's job but their poor performance especially in the Bengals game says it all. I don't know what the GM & owner are doing but if they signed off on this they signed off on another bad yr in 2017. Someone over there better get their act together.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Top Brass is trying to break a trend of a new OC for Flacco every year. The last game did not give any of us hope.

If as an OC you don't when to run the ball or when to pass you are not going to be very good marty's been around long enough to see he's not going to change

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Harbaugh has decided that he's going ride this ship to the end. He said he is not worried about his job security, which let's me know that the owner is ok with what he sees. We as fans can only hope things go well for this team in the near future

I have my doubts and I really think "this thing" is not going to end well. Hope I am wrong.

Its the old saying give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves harbaugh just made his noose

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  1 hour ago, jlax2485 said:

I am as big a ravens fan as anyone, but there is more to life than football and the Ravens winning...

With that being said, we need more than just continuity in the coaching ranks, which, I assume is why they took the first step in keeping Mornhinweg. More than that, we need players on the OL who can stay healthy, we need quality depth at certain positions, we need to upgrade at WR in-particular, and we need Joe to have a fully healthy off-season. We had some decent players this year, but as I saw all year, we really need some play makers on the outside who can earn Joe's trust. As much as I want Perriman to succeed, he really needs to improve his hands and route running, or else he will flame-out in short order.

Funny you mention that, because I did like a lot of what I saw from Perriman this year. I like that he actually can produce good catches, has speed and notched a couple of TDs finally, as a 1st round pick should do. At the same time, he needs a lot more consistency because some days he was doing great and others he wasn't, dropping passes that hit him right in the numbers. Though I guess this could be chalked up to him still playing his rookie season and is learning as the game goes on. Oh well, 2017's a whole new year so I'm praying that he emerges into that big WR that the Ravens desperately needed and maybe even get this monkey off our back when it comes to drafting wideouts.

Perriman was not used enough or used correctly last meaningless game he should have never came off the field they should have thrown 20 balls at him he needs the work He has potential

[The Greek]

  1 hour ago, TheRavengers said:

  1 hour ago, jlax2485 said:

I am as big a ravens fan as anyone, but there is more to life than football and the Ravens winning...

With that being said, we need more than just continuity in the coaching ranks, which, I assume is why they took the first step in keeping Mornhinweg. More than that, we need players on the OL who can stay healthy, we need quality depth at certain positions, we need to upgrade at WR in-particular, and we need Joe to have a fully healthy off-season. We had some decent players this year, but as I saw all year, we really need some play makers on the outside who can earn Joe's trust. As much as I want Perriman to succeed, he really needs to improve his hands and route running, or else he will flame-out in short order.

Funny you mention that, because I did like a lot of what I saw from Perriman this year. I like that he actually can produce good catches, has speed and notched a couple of TDs finally, as a 1st round pick should do. At the same time, he needs a lot more consistency because some days he was doing great and others he wasn't, dropping passes that hit him right in the numbers. Though I guess this could be chalked up to him still playing his rookie season and is learning as the game goes on. Oh well, 2017's a whole new year so I'm praying that he emerges into that big WR that the Ravens desperately needed and maybe even get this monkey off our back when it comes to drafting wideouts.

Perriman was not used enough or used correctly last meaningless game he should have never came off the field they should have thrown 20 balls at him he needs the work He has potential

agreed

[billiejean]

1 hour ago, Crusader said:

You all did not think John would fire his friend did you?

Friends dont fire friends....  Unless youre are B. Billick and you're OC is Jim Fassel.  

[The Greek]

So let's take a stroll down Martyball OC Memory Lane.

2011 - Eagles:  8-8, 280 pts (last in division)

2012 - Eagles:  4-12, 280 pts (last in division)

2013 - Jets:  8-8, 290 pts (last in division)

2014 - Jets:  4-12, 283 pts. (last in division)

See any patterns? 

hey big ugly those are some UGLY stats. gulp!!

[nj_ravens]

I'm fine with keeping Marty (for now). I was also fine with keeping Trestman at the end of last season, and I believe now that this was not the correct thing to do. So who knows. But I'm mystified about why we would keep Pees. His defense really let us down in the home stretch of this season. After Week 10, this team was in first place and had a winning record, one game up on the Steelers with the tie-breaker in hand so far. The defense was the reason for the early success, yes. Through 10 weeks, they were tied for 3rd in points allowed and #1 in yards allowed per game.

So this was when we needed the team to kick into gear and do some damage and claim our division title.

But from week 11 to the end of the season, the defense ranked tied for 17th in points allowed and all the way down at 28th (!!!!) in yards allowed per game.

Meanwhile the offense had improved from tied for 24th in points scored during the first 10 weeks to 13th during the span of the final 7 weeks. And from 25th in yards to 11th in yards. Flacco's QB Rating was over 90 from week 11 to the end of the year, despite an absurd quantity of plays where his receivers let him down leading to incompletions (many that would have been touchdowns) or interceptions that should not have occurred. He wasn't perfect! It's sad that I have to make that caveat, because some folks here will say "But what about that interception at the end of the Philly game!" OK. He had an ugly play there, that's for damn sure. Point me in the direction of the QB who didn't have a single ugly play over that span of 7 weeks?

OK, so perhaps the answer is Aaron Rodgers, haha. That's the only one I can think of that MIGHT qualify. And even for him, the best in the game, it's still an eyepopping fact that we might consider him to have been flawless over the past 7 weeks. So it doesn't matter that Flacco wasn't literally perfect. If you require that of your QB in order to win games, then your team needs some work in a lot of areas, just as this team does. Flacco was good, making lots of plays, but it wasn't always easy situations presented for him on the field in those weeks but was still overall putting up better personal numbers, and the offense along with him better numbers, while the defense collapsed.

I'm very upset that Dean Pees is still here.

THank you. Bumping this because everyone needs to read it. I get the frustration but everyone is freaking out unnecessarily.

[nj_ravens]

Here is what Mary considers his worse call. "His most notable moment as a head coach came during a 2002 game against the Chicago Bears. The game went into overtime, and the Lions won the ensuing coin toss. However, Mornhinweg felt that having the wind in his favor was more important than getting the ball, despite having Jason Hanson (who hit a then-NCAA record 62-yard field goal in his college days at Washington State University) as his kicker. He elected to kick, rather than receive. As it turned out, the Lions never got the ball; on the Bears' opening drive, Chicago scored a field goal to win the game" Yea this guy is real bright.

is he the head coach?...no?...So what's the issue?

[Militant X 1]

Same coaches, same losing mindset, same lame excuses for why they can't get it done.  Brace yourselves!

[nj_ravens]

One could argue that Flacco just padded his stats this season. Mr. Check Down. Unreal how many check downs he did this season. Has speed on the outside. Had Steve over the middle. Pathetic.

For a lot of games, the offensive line was a mess so Joe was trying to get rid of the ball quickly. This was part of the original trestman strategy. Other games, defenses were taking away the mid and deep routes. You should be mad we weren't running the ball more, not that Joe was throwing to the person who was open.

[nj_ravens]

Apologies for being long winded.

Now frustration is starting to kick in. I'm almost always an optimist regarding the ravens as I have a lot of faith in our front office, but the status quo wasn't CLOSE to being good enough this year, so lets keep the same?

Sadly, Joe is completely oblivious to his own shortcomings (and the offenses as a whole for that matter)... Its honestly insulting that he thinks the Raven's Flock is THAT stupid to accept such an answer; that situations dictated abandoning the run game all year leading to the skewed stats. News Flash, ravens fans know football and were tired of hearing the same crap out of your mouth when the games that we are watching with our own eyes don't support your comments? All Joe wants is to have the stats so that the sports world will finally call him an elite quarterback. his answer to the play call that almost cost us the Philly game is as close to admittance as you'll ever see when using coach/player speak.

My eternal optimist side is saying that perhaps Morningwheg was handicapped by Trestman's flawed offense and had no choice but to tailor his game-plan accordingly, but his history as an OC suggests otherwise. If we do not have a hammering run game next year, complimented by play action and explosive plays, Harbs gets the door. Much less optimism after listening to his press conference this morning.

"but the status quo wasn't CLOSE to being good enough this year, so lets keep the same"

Did we forget that Marty wasn't the OC at the beginning of the year? News Flash, he's not. We made an in season change. That is "not accepting the status quo" that is making a change. And how can you really judge Marty's performance as an OC if he isn't running HIS offense? He made do, and we almost won the division.

and no, Joe doesn't want the stats. They wanted to put the game out of reach. The quote you are referring to, Joe was RIGHT. Marty WAS "giving him one" Joe just made the wrong read. WALLER WAS WIDE OPEN for a TD. Marty read the defense and called a perfect play to score right then. I think we should run more, and should have run there, but your logic behind that throw is just wrong.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Same coaches, same losing mindset, same lame excuses for why they can't get it done.  Brace yourselves!

you nailed it different players every year same coaches same results we cut players when they don't live up to expectations why not the coaches o yeah with coaches its called continuity

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  1 hour ago, Crusader said:

Here is what Mary considers his worse call. "His most notable moment as a head coach came during a 2002 game against the Chicago Bears. The game went into overtime, and the Lions won the ensuing coin toss. However, Mornhinweg felt that having the wind in his favor was more important than getting the ball, despite having Jason Hanson (who hit a then-NCAA record 62-yard field goal in his college days at Washington State University) as his kicker. He elected to kick, rather than receive. As it turned out, the Lions never got the ball; on the Bears' opening drive, Chicago scored a field goal to win the game" Yea this guy is real bright.

is he the head coach?...no?...So what's the issue?

The issue is it shows he's a moron

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  45 minutes ago, BigUgly said:

So let's take a stroll down Martyball OC Memory Lane.

2011 - Eagles:  8-8, 280 pts (last in division)

2012 - Eagles:  4-12, 280 pts (last in division)

2013 - Jets:  8-8, 290 pts (last in division)

2014 - Jets:  4-12, 283 pts. (last in division)

See any patterns? 

hey big ugly those are some UGLY stats. gulp!!

Looks like he's been great for the opposing team that is

[ArsenalRaven666]

After stepping down from the Broncos was hoping Kubiak would come back as OC in a reduced role but seems he is walking away completely. The failing rungame and numerous checkdowns are doing my head in !!!

[whobilly]

  27 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  1 hour ago, TheRavengers said:

  2 hours ago, jlax2485 said:

I am as big a ravens fan as anyone, but there is more to life than football and the Ravens winning...

With that being said, we need more than just continuity in the coaching ranks, which, I assume is why they took the first step in keeping Mornhinweg. More than that, we need players on the OL who can stay healthy, we need quality depth at certain positions, we need to upgrade at WR in-particular, and we need Joe to have a fully healthy off-season. We had some decent players this year, but as I saw all year, we really need some play makers on the outside who can earn Joe's trust. As much as I want Perriman to succeed, he really needs to improve his hands and route running, or else he will flame-out in short order.

Funny you mention that, because I did like a lot of what I saw from Perriman this year. I like that he actually can produce good catches, has speed and notched a couple of TDs finally, as a 1st round pick should do. At the same time, he needs a lot more consistency because some days he was doing great and others he wasn't, dropping passes that hit him right in the numbers. Though I guess this could be chalked up to him still playing his rookie season and is learning as the game goes on. Oh well, 2017's a whole new year so I'm praying that he emerges into that big WR that the Ravens desperately needed and maybe even get this monkey off our back when it comes to drafting wideouts.

Perriman was not used enough or used correctly last meaningless game he should have never came off the field they should have thrown 20 balls at him he needs the work He has potential

agreed

As a #1 Pick he better bring more than potential to the table next season.

[Chuckx999]

Lets just write off 2017 as another lost year. No offense, No quarterback, Nothing changing. Thank GOD I don't have season tickets to throw away!!!!

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  38 minutes ago, The Greek said:

  40 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  1 hour ago, TheRavengers said:

  2 hours ago, jlax2485 said:

I am as big a ravens fan as anyone, but there is more to life than football and the Ravens winning...

With that being said, we need more than just continuity in the coaching ranks, which, I assume is why they took the first step in keeping Mornhinweg. More than that, we need players on the OL who can stay healthy, we need quality depth at certain positions, we need to upgrade at WR in-particular, and we need Joe to have a fully healthy off-season. We had some decent players this year, but as I saw all year, we really need some play makers on the outside who can earn Joe's trust. As much as I want Perriman to succeed, he really needs to improve his hands and route running, or else he will flame-out in short order.

Funny you mention that, because I did like a lot of what I saw from Perriman this year. I like that he actually can produce good catches, has speed and notched a couple of TDs finally, as a 1st round pick should do. At the same time, he needs a lot more consistency because some days he was doing great and others he wasn't, dropping passes that hit him right in the numbers. Though I guess this could be chalked up to him still playing his rookie season and is learning as the game goes on. Oh well, 2017's a whole new year so I'm praying that he emerges into that big WR that the Ravens desperately needed and maybe even get this monkey off our back when it comes to drafting wideouts.

Perriman was not used enough or used correctly last meaningless game he should have never came off the field they should have thrown 20 balls at him he needs the work He has potential

agreed

As a #1 Pick he better bring more than potential to the table next season.

The coaches needs to let these guys on the field perriman dropped a couple passes but he also made some nice plays 4 TD's in a limited role Pretty damn good start for a rookie so to speak

[n#7]

Same old, same old. Sigh. What's that definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?