[News] Ravens Retain Offensive Coordinator Marty Mornhinweg

[52swaggerman]

WHY WHY WHY!! this was the WORST call Harbaugh ever made! This is going to empty out M&T

He officially just put himself on the hot seat. Marty is not good for Flacco. He is somehow worse than Marc Trestman. The only way this would make sense would be to trade Flacco for playmakers and go get Tyrod back to run this un-identifiable Frankenstein West coast unproductive dumpster fire of an offense. We don't want to trade Flacco, we want you to GET RID OF MARTY and the WEST COAST GARBAGE he comes with.

Why does Steve let John pick coaching personnel if he's only going to hire bottom barrel Philadelphia friends?

Steve Biscotti, BEGGING you please make a formidable offer to Rick Dennison and see if you can tag Wade Phillips to come. Would you honestly regret winning with guys that can make Trevor Siemian and a vultured carcass of a Super Bowl defense get a better record than the Ravens?

Next he will keep Pees who let the defense down every 4th quarter. The only way we win more next year is if our schedule gets easier and the defense holds teams under 9 points until we check to prevent in the 4th quarter.

BAD DECISION JOHN BAD DECISION

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Pittsburg ,bungles ,browns are all high fiving right now guaranteed another 8-8 or 9-7 at best schedule next year is not easy

[Minionhunter]

Headline: Black Tuesday in Baltimore! No one was fired!

- Read all about it!

[barneslc@sbcglobal.net]

Not a good start to the off season! Hope he proves me wrong

[barneslc@sbcglobal.net]

I guess Harbaugh is betting his job on it.

[WordProphet]

I'm telling you right now as a long team Raven's fan since they have been in Baltimore, when Billick messed up as coach he was fired!!! Why can't the same thing happen to Harbaugh, a fan is not one who watches the team be decimated and stand by and say everything is going just fine!!! A true fan would tell them the truth about how things are messed up and they need to change, this buddy, buddy, thing that Harbaugh has, is going to make the Ravens the laughing stock of the whole NFL if they are not already!!! Since the Superbowl team was let go, we've done nothing but missed playoffs, now I don't know about you Steve, but I don't call that winning ways, are you trying to make the Ravens like the Cleveland Browns, where you are 1-16!!! Tell us the fans Steve, how can you say we are moving forward, with the way the Ravens have been losing these last few season??? I believe you are taking this team as a joke and the only thing you want is to get the money from fans coming to the stadium, from the fans buying Ravens gear and from the fans watching the Ravens on TV, oh yeah and by being an owner!!! Other teams are making changes while we stay the same and lose!!!

[Minionhunter]

Watching Joe in this West Coast offense is like watching someone haul mulch with a Ferrari - you can do it, but it just ain't right.

LOL! Some pool company owner db's had a ferrari they trashed hauling pool repair stuff around in, it was technically a company car. I guess only in Baltimore.

[The Greek]

WHY WHY WHY!! this was the WORST call Harbaugh ever made! This is going to empty out M&T

He officially just put himself on the hot seat. Marty is not good for Flacco. He is somehow worse than Marc Trestman. The only way this would make sense would be to trade Flacco for playmakers and go get Tyrod back to run this un-identifiable Frankenstein West coast unproductive dumpster fire of an offense. We don't want to trade Flacco, we want you to GET RID OF MARTY and the WEST COAST GARBAGE he comes with.

Why does Steve let John pick coaching personnel if he's only going to hire bottom barrel Philadelphia friends?

Steve Biscotti, BEGGING you please make a formidable offer to Rick Dennison and see if you can tag Wade Phillips to come. Would you honestly regret winning with guys that can make Trevor Siemian and a vultured carcass of a Super Bowl defense get a better record than the Ravens?

Next he will keep Pees who let the defense down every 4th quarter. The only way we win more next year is if our schedule gets easier and the defense holds teams under 9 points until we check to prevent in the 4th quarter.

BAD DECISION JOHN BAD DECISION

he already decided to keep pees and st coach rosburg

[griffrb]

Uh oh! Off season is off to a rowdy start! Good thing I just came back from buying new golf clubs to enjoy this off season that has started so early on a regular basis.

[fusuymada]

Harbaugh just signed his termination paperwork. Mohrnigweg is a scatter brained individual, which was evident after his first press conference, and does not learn from his mistakes. After making what Harbaugh called the worst play call ever by throwing on first down in the Eagles game he comes back in the Bengals game and does exactly the same thing. He can't stay focused on the run game, by his own admission he isn't going to be conservative and support the run game, and Joe Flacco is scatterbrained enough, we need a Kubiak like OC who will FORCE Joe to work on footwork, work on keeping balanced, work on not bailing out on throws, work on developing the front line. Mohrninweg has failed horribly in accomplishing just those few things in the time he was OC. But he is an old Eagle coach, buddy to Harbaugh, just like Castillo, Frazier and numerous others who aren't qualified and are dragging this team down. If Bisciotti didn't tell Harbaugh to hire his buddies at his own peril, then shame on Bisciotti. Harbaugh has to be smart enough to know that if Marty does the same crap next year, they will all be looking for jobs. If Bisciotti doesn't recognize what the rest of the world sees, then maybe we would be better if he chose to sell the team.

[Militant X 1]

31 minutes ago, donkeyking64 said:

This offense probably had the most playmakers in the history of any Ravens offense.

Steve Smith Sr
Mike Wallace
Breshad Perriman
Kyle Jusyczk
Terrance West
Kenneth Dixon
Dennis Pitta
Darren Waller who probably outplayed Max Williams in his small handful of games compared to Max's 2015 season
John Boyle never does bad things when he's on the field

What more do you need. Josh McDaniels, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Gary Kubiak - all those coaches would kill to have this personnel. These are coaches who are accustomed to playing with 3rd and 4th stringers or castoffs that wouldn't make starting lineups anywhere else. In fact, if Crockett and Ben Watson don't get injured, some of these guys would have been playing key downs for another team

In my humble opinion, that's more than enough talent to move the ball and get 1st downs. Any high school coach could dial up some plays against the most complex Rex Ryan or Chuck Pagano defense and still manage to convert 3rd downs.

What the heck more do people want on offense

You may need to elevate your thinking as to what true "playmakers" are cause ONLY Steve Smith, Sr. fits that description.

[dirtybird66]

very sad day to be a RAVEN,49 throws per game,should of just kept TRESTMAN.

[dirtybird66]

49 throws per game? 13 penalties per game?? very sad day.

[fusuymada]

Well, we know how next season is going to be now. I said 9-7 for this season and missed by one game. They were worse. Never would have though that. Nothing is going to change until Steve B calls the head coach in and lays him out for his inability to get the right people on his staff. This PHILLY discard crap is killing this team and the fans are seeing it now and are not happy. PURPLE REIGN my butt! This group is self destructive and proves it week in and week out. Sad to see this happening. But cronyism is alive and doing well at the Castle until HARBS gets the boot. Hopefully, next year he hits the pavement along with all of his buddies that suck at their jobs. Over and out. This fan is gone.

Welcome to the Philadelphia Eagles coaching cast offs better known around the NFL as the Ravens (or Gilligans Island). After years and years of not being able to get it done, the Eagles cut bait and moved on. The Ravens then went around and hired every Eagles coach from Harbaughs time that was not gainfully employed and gave them positions of power. What in the world would make anyone think that the Eagles retreads who couldn't get it done, will magically become good coaches in Baltimore. Clearly, someone in the upper echelon of the Ravens is kidding themselves (Thats you Steve and Ozzie)

[kevraves]

if he can help them get 27 pts. in most games then they only have to worry about the D. I think thats a bigger problem. and you have to make West the 1RB, and use dixon in tandem...and stop that Pitch play...when were down we need an OC that can generate an Offensive spark or have an RB that can go 4th and 28.

[whobilly]

  42 minutes ago, donkeyking64 said:

This offense probably had the most playmakers in the history of any Ravens offense.

Steve Smith Sr
Mike Wallace
Breshad Perriman
Kyle Jusyczk
Terrance West
Kenneth Dixon
Dennis Pitta
Darren Waller who probably outplayed Max Williams in his small handful of games compared to Max's 2015 season
John Boyle never does bad things when he's on the field

What more do you need. Josh McDaniels, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Gary Kubiak - all those coaches would kill to have this personnel. These are coaches who are accustomed to playing with 3rd and 4th stringers or castoffs that wouldn't make starting lineups anywhere else. In fact, if Crockett and Ben Watson don't get injured, some of these guys would have been playing key downs for another team

In my humble opinion, that's more than enough talent to move the ball and get 1st downs. Any high school coach could dial up some plays against the most complex Rex Ryan or Chuck Pagano defense and still manage to convert 3rd downs.

What the heck more do people want on offense

You may need to elevate your thinking as to what true "playmakers" are cause ONLY Steve Smith, Sr. fits that description.

Agree with you for the most part. Maybe toss Wallace in. Some Fans over evaluate talent just like the coaching staff does. We have a few IMPACT Players and LOTS of Roster Fillers.

[hen826957]

Wow Coach, are you serious? They wanna keep Marty after this performace of inconsistent play calling and you want him again next year? John is in big trouble if this don't pan out next year. Harbaugh should just hire a new one they're many available. I like Harbaugh, but this is a bad decision. All we hope for is the best.

[whobilly]

Harbaugh just signed his termination paperwork. Mohrnigweg is a scatter brained individual, which was evident after his first press conference, and does not learn from his mistakes. After making what Harbaugh called the worst play call ever by throwing on first down in the Eagles game he comes back in the Bengals game and does exactly the same thing. He can't stay focused on the run game, by his own admission he isn't going to be conservative and support the run game, and Joe Flacco is scatterbrained enough, we need a Kubiak like OC who will FORCE Joe to work on footwork, work on keeping balanced, work on not bailing out on throws, work on developing the front line. Mohrninweg has failed horribly in accomplishing just those few things in the time he was OC. But he is an old Eagle coach, buddy to Harbaugh, just like Castillo, Frazier and numerous others who aren't qualified and are dragging this team down. If Bisciotti didn't tell Harbaugh to hire his buddies at his own peril, then shame on Bisciotti. Harbaugh has to be smart enough to know that if Marty does the same crap next year, they will all be looking for jobs. If Bisciotti doesn't recognize what the rest of the world sees, then maybe we would be better if he chose to sell the team.

What a coincidence. We will be picking 16th in this years draft and next years as well.

[Molson Man]

  44 minutes ago, donkeyking64 said:

This offense probably had the most playmakers in the history of any Ravens offense.

Steve Smith Sr
Mike Wallace
Breshad Perriman
Kyle Jusyczk
Terrance West
Kenneth Dixon
Dennis Pitta
Darren Waller who probably outplayed Max Williams in his small handful of games compared to Max's 2015 season
John Boyle never does bad things when he's on the field

What more do you need. Josh McDaniels, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Gary Kubiak - all those coaches would kill to have this personnel. These are coaches who are accustomed to playing with 3rd and 4th stringers or castoffs that wouldn't make starting lineups anywhere else. In fact, if Crockett and Ben Watson don't get injured, some of these guys would have been playing key downs for another team

In my humble opinion, that's more than enough talent to move the ball and get 1st downs. Any high school coach could dial up some plays against the most complex Rex Ryan or Chuck Pagano defense and still manage to convert 3rd downs.

What the heck more do people want on offense

You may need to elevate your thinking as to what true "playmakers" are cause ONLY Steve Smith, Sr. fits that description.

Wallace leads the team in 50+ yard receptions, that sounds like a playmaker to me. Kyle is the best fullback per pro football focus. So I'd give him three on his list including Smith Sr.

[leziRav]

gosh my raven fans, we are talking like we know football more than Harbs, Ozzie and co. We only see this team when they play on sundays. We don't know anything else. We don't know what is going on during practices, what is the plan. We cannot call for failure because we are keeping Marty and Pees. The organization has a plan, we don't know yet but we will find out. I have faith to the Ravens organization. We are one of the best organizations in the league. I am not happy about keeping Marty, but I will sit tight and see what will happen next year. Remember Harbs also said that he will hire a creative offensive coach. We don't know the plan, we are just fan, disappointed by the previous season. I hope whatever the organization is doing will work. I m a die hard Raven fan, I will always support this team, whatever the organization does. Go Ravens!!!

[J.O.14]

As a life long Raven fan who lives in South Carolina, I don't have the option of saying things like I will cancel my season tickets, or I will never pay another penny to attend a Raven game, but I do have the option of dropping Direct TV's Sunday ticket, and that is precisely what I intend to do. It is apparent to the entire football viewing world that Harbaugh is only going to hire his good buddies as coaches, and hope that they will somehow pull a rabbit out of their butt and all of a sudden become good coordinators. Anyone that watches Raven games can see the problem for what it is. The offensive line is one of the weakest in the NFL, and not only do they not pass protect, but they are unable to create holes for the RB's. Flacco has about as much leadership ability as Elmer Fudd. He does nothing to inspire his team mates, and just does not have that fire in the belly that all great Quarterbacks possess. Defensively, there is not a team in the NFL that fears playing them. If the little sisters of the poor had a football team with a QB that could deliver deliver passes, they would salivate over the chance to play against this secondary. Pass rush, what pass rush? And Harbaughs answer is to keep his buddies employed, give me a break. Good luck Raven fans, I'm done.

Understand the frustration. Our offense was awful at times, but at other times, they looked great. Consistency is key to being successful in any pro sport. Over the last couple weeks (except this past Sunday) our offense looked better than most of the season. We moved the ball great against Pittsburg. My biggest issue with us all season was finishing drives. We were terrible in converting nice drives into touchdowns, and that's the difference between being 8-8 or 11-5. We left 10-14 points off the board against the Steelers. I want to see us run the football more. Flacco is more successful with a good running game, we can't lead the league in pass attempts, that a recipe for losing. Our offensive line actually wasn't bad when full strength. Stanley graded out as the best LT (pass protection at least) in the league the past 4 games before Sunday. Yanda is the best guard in the league, doesn't matter which side. Zuttah made some boneheaded plays, but he is better than fans give him credit for. Ducassae (spelling?) did a decent job filling the void for Alex Lewis or Yanda for that matter. And Rick Wagner played very well until he was hurt the last few games. For a couple of weeks in the season our line was filled with guys who should never see the field, but injuries happen in this league.

Our secondary is frustrating, but we are also better than years past, and it would be nice to see Jimmy Smith stay on the field. Tavon Young was a good draft pick, we need another solid corner to help solidify our CB group. Webb is a question mark, does he stay or go. I wouldn't mind seeing us draft another S that provides some more playmaking ability and speed on the back end. Weddle had a great year. Nice pick up.

Yes, Pass rush is an issue. We need a young speed rusher off the edge. I really don't care if they are an edge setter, we just need a pure pass rusher. Doom and Suggs are on their last legs.

I like Pees as our DC. Is he to conservative at times? It may seem like it. But what can you do when you design nice blitz calls but then you have matchup problems or the offense just picks the blitz up nicely. What can you do when you try to drop 7 in coverage and rush 4 but they don't get there? You can't give a QB all day, and its hard to blitz when QBs get the ball our so quick or just win the battle sometimes. You're going to lose some battles plain and simple. The offense has been game planning for our defense as well.

I was down for letting Marty go, but I'm also not angry about keeping him. Let's see what happens this year. Hopefully we run the ball more effectively.

One last thing, can we just drop the discussions about Flacco's leadership. It's been 9 seasons now, and he isn't going to change now. I'd play for him though. I haven't seen Flacco confront guys for dropping passes, yell at lineman for getting him crushed, or call guys out publicly. He takes a beating, get right back up. His WRs drop a pass, he isn't scared to come right back to them, and if he has an issue with someone, he is man enough to discuss it but not publicly. Is he the best in the league? Obviously not. But he is our QB, good enough to win big games, proven that already, and can deliver when it matters. I'm going to defend him as long as he is wearing purple and black.

Last thing, I don't care how bad of a season the Ravens have, I won't give up on them. I'm a fan until I die, and hell I might get buried with a purple and black casket with a Ravens logo. I believe we will turn it around soon. We had a great draft class this past season, a couple core pieces in place, and a hell of a coach. We are close, just not there yet and they know that. So, don't let the door hit ya in the butt walking out of Ravens Nation. We don't need ya.

[Molson Man]

  1 hour ago, Que3pi said:

who cares about throwing for 4000 yards when you can't hit wide open receivers or get the ball down the field. that's like saying a RB rushed for a 1000 yards but averaged 2.0 yards a carry. I would like someone to list Flacco's strengths, because putting in extra work sure isn't one of them

I have to get anew TV. I did not see a wide open receiver in 16 games.

You need glasses sir, a lot of open receivers but Flacco became the king of the check down. Most of the time he was one read then check down, by the end of the season Smith Sr. And Wallace were being just lazy on routes knowing Flacco wouldn't even look at them. That doesn't happen unless you leave people wide open a lot.

[steelcityraven]

OKay.... I have mixed emotions about this one.

The Pro's
1. Joe Flacco will get some consistency at the OC position
(a luxury that he simply has not had)

2. Marty did seem to improve as the season wore on
(we played well offensively in our toughest games. Pats, Pitt, Miami under Marty)

3. He will have an entire season to prepare
(not try to take over in mid-swing)

4. He is now familiar with the personnel on the team and knows what we need to add and subtract moving forward.

5. Harbs is comfortable with Marty

The Cons
1. Marty was as inconsistent as any other OC we had in his 11 games

2. Marty didn't seem to make in-game adjustments well
(most games under Marty- we scored on opening drives. the other team would adjust and we stalled for most of the game beyond that and settled for FGs- what happens once teams have significant game footage on us... can he make those in game adjustments that he didn't do well with this year)?

3. Marty loses his top play maker (SSS) can we put pieces in place around him or can he adapt

4. Marty seemed to allow Joe Flacco to dictate too much (Joe complained and seemingly got what he wanted) and we ended up passing 49x per game. Will Marty have the respect to keep Joe Cool in check?

5. The top teams in the AFC right now are also offensive teams (Pats, Sqeelers, Raiders, etc.) these are teams who can score points. These are teams who move the ball with great consistency. Do we believe that Marty has what it takes to put us in that conversation?

I am now very confident about that last one but I am rooting for his success. We cannot afford to start 2017 digging a hole like we did with Trestman in 2016. Hope Marty spends a lot of time at some coaching clinics and visiting some college campuses, learning some innovative schemes that he can implement next season and make us more dangerous and less predictable.

I'm rooting for you Marty!

[jlax2485]

I am as big a ravens fan as anyone, but there is more to life than football and the Ravens winning...

With that being said, we need more than just continuity in the coaching ranks, which, I assume is why they took the first step in keeping Mornhinweg. More than that, we need players on the OL who can stay healthy, we need quality depth at certain positions, we need to upgrade at WR in-particular, and we need Joe to have a fully healthy off-season. We had some decent players this year, but as I saw all year, we really need some play makers on the outside who can earn Joe's trust. As much as I want Perriman to succeed, he really needs to improve his hands and route running, or else he will flame-out in short order.

[The Greek]

well at the very least if harbs choices sink his ship than we will have a new coach in 2018.

[DBsRAVENS]

  1 hour ago, donkeyking64 said:

This offense probably had the most playmakers in the history of any Ravens offense.

Steve Smith Sr
Mike Wallace
Breshad Perriman
Kyle Jusyczk
Terrance West
Kenneth Dixon
Dennis Pitta
Darren Waller who probably outplayed Max Williams in his small handful of games compared to Max's 2015 season
John Boyle never does bad things when he's on the field

What more do you need. Josh McDaniels, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Gary Kubiak - all those coaches would kill to have this personnel. These are coaches who are accustomed to playing with 3rd and 4th stringers or castoffs that wouldn't make starting lineups anywhere else. In fact, if Crockett and Ben Watson don't get injured, some of these guys would have been playing key downs for another team

In my humble opinion, that's more than enough talent to move the ball and get 1st downs. Any high school coach could dial up some plays against the most complex Rex Ryan or Chuck Pagano defense and still manage to convert 3rd downs.

What the heck more do people want on offense

You may need to elevate your thinking as to what true "playmakers" are cause ONLY Steve Smith, Sr. fits that description.

With the whole consistency thing being front and center, it's time to fix the offensive line with 2nd and 3rd round picks. Fixing the offensive line is the only savior for the 2017 season.

[reed20]

The offense did improve but im still disappointed by this. Marty does not mix in the run with the pass well. This ground game needs to flourish under a zone blocking scheme minded  coordinator. 

[Militant X 1]

12 minutes ago, whobilly said:

Agree with you for the most part. Maybe toss Wallace in. Some Fans over evaluate talent just like the coaching staff does. We have a few IMPACT Players and LOTS of Roster Fillers.

 

9 minutes ago, Molson Man said:

Wallace leads the team in 50+ yard receptions, that sounds like a playmaker to me. Kyle is the best fullback per pro football focus. So I'd give him three on his list including Smith Sr.

I like Wallace but he's just not that, "playmaker" cat to me.  

Going forward w/o SSS, would you guys consider Wallace to be your "go to guy?"

[J.O.14]

  32 minutes ago, whobilly said:

Agree with you for the most part. Maybe toss Wallace in. Some Fans over evaluate talent just like the coaching staff does. We have a few IMPACT Players and LOTS of Roster Fillers.

 

  28 minutes ago, Molson Man said:

Wallace leads the team in 50+ yard receptions, that sounds like a playmaker to me. Kyle is the best fullback per pro football focus. So I'd give him three on his list including Smith Sr.

I like Wallace but he's just not that, "playmaker" cat to me.  

Going forward w/o SSS, would you guys consider Wallace to be your "go to guy?"

No. But you don't have to be a "go to guy" to be a playmaker. Wallace is a playmaker. Without SSS, our go to would be Pitta.

[surfdude]

Well Flock get used to 8 - 8 or worse going forward .............. very disappointed with this organization.