[News] Ravens Retain Offensive Coordinator Marty Mornhinweg

[Drew P]

In guessing Joe Bugel and Art Shell were not interested.

[Molson Man]

I guess we are a perennial loser now. Decided that we love -4 yard passes on 3rd and 7. We hope the fans are as excited as we are about the prospects of Joe leading the league in passing attempts next year, as he fell one attempt short of the leader this year. Expecting our run to pass ratio to change slightly to a 15% run commitment. We are also extremely excited to bring back both Suggs and Dumervil to continue to slow any progress on young pass rushers that we already might have. Also we don't intend on making an offer to Brandon Williams.

This is where we are really heading this offseason, may the football gods have mercy on us fans. In all seriousness, Marty should have been demoted or dumped make a run on Rick Dennison from Denver. Can't bear to see the check down as the featured weapon again. We need pass rushers and speed in the secondary, you can really tell how slow they are when it looks as tho they are standing still when another team is running down the field. C.J. Mosley needs to get to work on his coverage skills stat, it's his only weakness. Resign Brandon Williams for the love of god, don't let him walk we never missed Nagta because of this guy being here. I want new scouts infused into our program as well we have lost to many over the seasons to better jobs.

[The Mom Gene]

5 minutes ago, sami said:

considering how many different offensive and defensive coordinators weve had since Harbaugh took over, its amazing weve done as good as we have. So mamy "fans" are calling for change, well weve had change and it hasn't done us much good.

Hence why throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't always the answer.  If some fans had their way here they'd have fired Harbaugh, Pees and Morninhweg.  And I have not agreed with the OC AT ALL. or Harbaugh... nor Pees at times..  The numbers have shown a vast improvement since Morninhweg took over.  The numbers are real numbers.  The players like him and want consistency.  6 OC's in 5 years is not what they want....  it's not the answer.  Bringing in somebody else isn't necessarily going to correct the problems.

[BigUgly]

14 minutes ago, metalraven said:

This is too funny. We'll see what he can do with his very own schemes next season. But if it's anything like what we saw this year (Trestman 2.0), this team will be mediocre at best, and Harbs will definitely lose his job.

Marty is a West Coast offense guy, just like Trestman.  There is nothing he will be inclined to do scheme-wise or from a play-calling perspective that will lead to a commitment to the running game or downfield passing.  Joe needs a lot of help to be successful, and this is quite literally the worst fit offensive scheme for him, save perhaps the read-option.

[Swift 1]

2 minutes ago, Que3pi said:

who cares about throwing for 4000 yards when you can't hit wide open receivers or get the ball down the field. that's like saying a RB rushed for a 1000 yards but averaged 2.0 yards a carry. I would like someone to list Flacco's strengths, because putting in extra work sure isn't one of them

I have to get anew TV. I did not see a wide open receiver in 16 games.

[good_n_purple]

Players have made themselves pretty clear.  And I don't believe they want a change if you listen to Pitta and Joe.  The only people asking for that change are the fans.

Well if the players have confidence in the schemes and play calling the blame circles back to them.

[RavensDieHard21]

6 minutes ago, sami said:

considering how many different offensive and defensive coordinators weve had since Harbaugh took over, its amazing weve done as good as we have. So mamy "fans" are calling for change, well weve had change and it hasn't done us much good.

Lol the status quo of the post Kubiak OCs has been pure garbage. You can't just keep crossing your fingers and expecting different results 

[Swift 1]

I know Joe threw to Pita 16 time because Smith Sr was wide open all day LOL

 

[balfan23]

3 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Players have made themselves pretty clear.  And I don't believe they want a change if you listen to Pitta and Joe.  The only people asking for that change are the fans.

Players would be fools to publicly say anything but that they are in love with their coaches. What good would it do to speak out? 

In the end, fans are saying that they are tired of seeing lack-luster performances. They are tired of seeing an offense that has underperformed. They are tired of seeing a defense that will play well at times and the collapse when they are needed the most. They want that to change and aren't sure how we're supposed to achieve that by doing the same thing over again. 

[The Mom Gene]

1 minute ago, good_n_purple said:

Well if the players have confidence in the schemes and play calling the blame circles back to them.

Yes it does...  and when you go from scoring 18.8 points per game on average to scoring over 28 points per game, I'd call that an improvement.

[ellicottraven]

6 minutes ago, TheRavengers said:

You're kinda right, he had the 2nd most pass attempts in the league, right behind Drew Brees. And both QBs are sitting at home for the playoffs once again.

But Brees had close to 5000 yds and 35 TD passes in his defense.

[BmoreB]

I've never been more disappointed in this organization as I am right now. If Harbaugh can't see that Marty is worthless and I do mean worthless, than I'm left with no other choice to conclude that Harbaugh has lost his damn mind. Where the hell is Bisciotti on this ? To keep that OC for the sake of continuity because let's face that's all there is with this, is freaking insane. You thought M&T was empty this season ? Just wait until about week 4 of next season. Pathetic !

[RavensDieHard21]

6 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Players have made themselves pretty clear.  And I don't believe they want a change if you listen to Pitta and Joe.  The only people asking for that change are the fans.

Because Joe and Pitta are getting paid big bucks for their 3-5 yard hook ups that help lead us to 8-8😅. Flacco had another frustrating year. I haven't seen this vanilla of a game plan in the entire Harbaugh era. 

[b93333]

Someone enlighten me as to how we were 18th in the league in scoring under Trestman and dropped to 21st when we made the change... yet that is deemed a significant improvement?

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, balfan23 said:

Players would be fools to publicly say anything but that they are in love with their coaches. What good would it do to speak out? 

In the end, fans are saying that they are tired of seeing lack-luster performances. They are tired of seeing an offense that has underperformed. They are tired of seeing a defense that will play well at times and the collapse when they are needed the most. They want that to change and aren't sure how we're supposed to achieve that by doing the same thing over again. 

They could have said many more different things than what they did...  Like, "We let the powers that be make these decisions". 

[The Mom Gene]

2 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Because Joe and Pitta are getting paid big bucks for their 3-5 yard hook ups that help lead us to 8-8😅. Flacco had another frustrating year. I haven't seen this vanilla of a game plan in the entire Harbaugh era. 

And here we go....  When for the past 3 years we've been saying that the OC's were way too conservative...  a more aggressive OC starts calling plays and we still hear that it's too "vanilla".   Nobody's ever happy.  The team will never make everyone happy.

[good_n_purple]

  5 minutes ago, sami said:

considering how many different offensive and defensive coordinators weve had since Harbaugh took over, its amazing weve done as good as we have. So mamy "fans" are calling for change, well weve had change and it hasn't done us much good.

Hence why throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't always the answer.  If some fans had their way here they'd have fired Harbaugh, Pees and Morninhweg.  And I have not agreed with the OC AT ALL...  The numbers have shown a vast improvement since Morninhweg took over.  The numbers are real numbers.  The players like him and want consistency.  6 OC's in 5 years is not what they want....  it's not the answer.  Bringing in somebody else isn't necessarily going to correct the problems.

You're right! We will have to wait for 2018 after Harbs is canned for real substantive change. His support of the NFL reject coach merry-go-round will bite us and it will be solved. Of course having terrible drafts with few playmakers doesn't help. So...if the Patricia, Shanahan, Le Fleur type talent is still out there we may have a shot.

[RavensDieHard21]

4 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Yes it does...  and when you go from scoring 18.8 points per game on average to scoring over 28 points per game, I'd call that an improvement.

The Dolphins game being an outlier. The Eagles game was a good game because we committed to the run for once. The patriots game was a fluke because of two ST turn overs. Flacco drove down the field and scored 0 TDs. We settled for FGs. The offense looked great vs the steelers, but guess what? Two possessions literally started at the 40 while two other started in the red zone because of turnovers. Want to guess how many TDs came from those drives?  

[BigUgly]

4 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

And here we go....  When for the past 3 years we've been saying that the OC's were way too conservative...  a more aggressive OC starts calling plays and we still hear that it's too "vanilla".   Nobody's ever happy.  The team will never make everyone happy.

What about endless 2 yard check down passes to a fullback constitutes aggressiveness?  I'd rather have rational aggressiveness, which is downfield passing opportunities set up by play-action passing built on the credible threat of a running game.  This entire Frankensteining of a West-Coast approach on top of the tatters of Kubiak's zone blocking scheme is an abomination.

Edited January 3 by BigUgly

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, RavensDieHard21 said:

The Dolphins game being an outlier. The Eagles game was a good game because we committed to the run for once. The patriots game was a fluke because of two ST turn overs. Flacco drove down the field and scored 0 TDs. We settled for FGs. The offense looked great vs the steelers, but guess what? Two possessions literally started at the 40 while two other started in the red zone because of turnovers. Want to guess how many TDs came from those drives?  

We played the Steelers game tough...  and even played the Patriots tougher...  The defense left that game in their lockers too.

[budman]

14 minutes ago, sami said:

considering how many different offensive and defensive coordinators weve had since Harbaugh took over, its amazing weve done as good as we have. So mamy "fans" are calling for change, well weve had change and it hasn't done us much good.

So figure that out. If the changes that we have made have not made us better , then it would be logical to assume that changes are needed in the areas that haven't been changed. Eventually the common denominator shows itself.

[Raven in ATL]

3 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

And here we go....  When for the past 3 years we've been saying that the OC's were way too conservative...  a more aggressive OC starts calling plays and we still hear that it's too "vanilla".   Nobody's ever happy.  The team will never make everyone happy.

id prefer creative play calling as opposed to predictable aggressive passing non stop

[balfan23]

Just now, The Mom Gene said:

They could have said many more different things than what they did...  Like, "We let the powers that be make these decisions". 

Fine - maybe retaining Marty is the right move. Maybe having him go through an entire offseason as the OC, he'll show more ingenuity than we saw during the course of this season. Maybe he'll realize that when you have a commanding lead late in the game with the ball on the 12, you'll run the football rather than allow Joe the opportunity to throw a devastating pick or when you're 1st and goal from the 3 that you might try to run the ball to get it in or to at least get closer. Perhaps he'll draw up plays to try and get the ball into the hands of his playmakers (Wallace and Perriman) in space, rather than asking them to go run around and see if they can get open. 

I'll be the first to admit I don't know the Xs and Os of this game to critique an OCs game calling and neither can the majority of fans, but they can see results and this has been a weird season. Is it Marty or is it Joe? I don't know ... but the number of times we've thrown the ball a mile in front of the sticks this season was mind-boggling. 

IMO - I'm not terribly surprised that we've kept him and, had I been forced to bet, I'd have bet that we'd keep him. But if the results next year look like they did during the latter part of the 2016 season, I don't think it will be Marty who will be answering for them. 

[good_n_purple]

  5 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

And here we go....  When for the past 3 years we've been saying that the OC's were way too conservative...  a more aggressive OC starts calling plays and we still hear that it's too "vanilla".   Nobody's ever happy.  The team will never make everyone happy.

What about endless 2 yard check down passes to a fullback constitutes aggressiveness?  I'd rather have rational aggressiveness, which is downfield passing opportunities set up by play-action passing built on the credible threat of a running game.  This entire Frankensteining of a West-Coast approach on top of the tatters of Kubiak's zone blocking scheme is an abomination.

Boom! Is the team even using ZBS anymore? At one time it was said it was selective according to the play.

[balfan23]

4 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

We played the Steelers game tough...  and even played the Patriots tougher...  The defense left that game in their lockers too.

Agreed ... as frustrating as the offense has been at times, the defense is what has really caused me to lose my mind. The collapse of the defense at the end of the season was breathtaking and is what cost us a playoff berth. IMO, I would actually have felt that Pees may be more likely to be let go than Marty. I seriously doubt that will happen either. We're just going to roll with status quo and hope something changes. 

[jhulax35]

I don't like the move but I hope we go out and bring Jim Zorn back as Joes Qb coach

[jravens1313]

Are we trying to suck for a great QB in the 2018 draft? This has to be a joke.

[ByTheBay]

11 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

And here we go....  When for the past 3 years we've been saying that the OC's were way too conservative...  a more aggressive OC starts calling plays and we still hear that it's too "vanilla".   Nobody's ever happy.  The team will never make everyone happy.

I'm not sure what you are calling aggressive but Joe's average of 6.4 yards per attempt are tied for his career low with 2013. The year we purged our roster. Aggressive it is not 

[jravens1313]

We never used any of our playmakers the proper way. Our offense had 1 good game (Miami) the entire year. Lets bring Marty back...WOW Lets throw the ball 70% of the time some more. IMO we pick top 10 next year unless we fire Marty early.

[RavensDieHard21]

5 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

And here we go....  When for the past 3 years we've been saying that the OC's were way too conservative...  a more aggressive OC starts calling plays and we still hear that it's too "vanilla".   Nobody's ever happy.  The team will never make everyone happy.

Are you watching the same games? We were conservative in 13' because of a lack of talent. 14' was a tremendous year under Kubiak. 15' regardless of injury was another ineffective year of offense. We had limited play makers and we did not commit to any legitimate scheme. So we can give it a pass. But this year I would call our offensive play calling anything but aggressive. We had no commitment to the run, no use of PA, we took limited shots down field, we didn't utilize screens, and we lacked creative formations. We were a check down offense that could easily be stopped by crowding the line and taking away the middle of the field.😄

 

10 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

We played the Steelers game tough...  and even played the Patriots tougher...  The defense left that game in their lockers too.

No doubt we played the steelers tough but how do you manage 0 TDs when you were gifted amazing field position 4 separate times?