[News] Ravens Retain Offensive Coordinator Marty Mornhinweg

[sizzlingdoom]

I can't believe we're keeping all of the same coaches. I've never seen a worse coached season in all 3 phases for a season. Or in any sport of any of my teams for that matter. All of these guys should be gone. And I understand how hard that is, but I'm pretty sure we all just watched the same thing. Unreal they are all coming back. I have no words for it. I am honestly just severely dissapointed. Almost more so than how season went. wth

[sizzlingdoom]

starting wonder what Steve is up to. If anything at all that is

[Ravensfan3030]

A few thoughts:
1. I think we kept MM as our OC because the guys we were going to target were being offered HC jobs. (I still think it was stupid to take Kubiak over Shanahan two years ago, we could have been in great shape had we pulled that trigger)
2. I think we are in talks to get Rick Dennison back now that Kubiak retired. I think we will bring him in as a senior Offensive Assistant/Advisor/QB coach and he will technically be our OC by nature.
3. I was hoping we would promote Fraizer to DC and get rid of Pees/Grab a DC from one of the top ranked Defenses. But, hopefully Pees gets his act together and consistently makes trick packages.
4. As far as the games where Jimmy was out, If I were Harbs or Pees, I would have moved Webby to a CB slot and put Levine Sr in Webb's spot. Elam is trash and Wright is mediocre.
What do you all think?

[BigUgly]

7 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I think we need to cut Flacco and start all over- even better, cut Oz and DaCosta too and get Scot McCloughan from Washington to run things in Baltimore-

We can't afford to release Joe until 2020 without committing CAP suicide, and even then we incur $8M in dead money to save $20M.  And that's assuming we have a more viable option.  The only answer is to surround Joe with talent on the O-Line (replace Zuttah and Ducasse) and add playmakers at WR.  

Most critically, it means putting him in the right offensive scheme to be successful, and the West Coast offense of Martyball isn't and won't be it - certainly not while retaining what's left of the zone blocking scheme.  It also means the OC needs to have a feel for the game and make adjustments; something we haven't seen from Marty.  That's especially crucial because Joe tends to run the play as called - he changes plays at the line far less frequently than his peers.  That means the OC had better have the perfect play dialed up, because it's going to be run no matter what.

I would've rather seen us bring in Dennison, the OC for Denver who implemented Kubiak's offense, and then possibly entice Kubs to pop in as a consultant as he feels able.  Even McCoy would've been a better option.

Edited January 4 by BigUgly

[TheRavengers]

8 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I think we need to cut Flacco and start all over- even better, cut Oz and DaCosta too and get Scot McCloughan from Washington to run things in Baltimore-

And who to replace Joe? Lots of people wanna cut Joe but hardly any have a realistic replacement for him. More importantly, that's a lot of dead money if we do so....not a smart idea.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I'm sorry but, Marty isn't the answer for this team. Harbs keeps making the same mistakes over and over. He kept Cam too long, should have never brought Caldwell back in 2013, Should have never hired Trestman to begin with much less bring him back in 2016 and now he's making the same mistake bringing Marty back. A good manager would have at least done their due diligence and researched the market for the best candidate first.

Everyone knows the definition of insanity.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

11 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

We had the easiest schedule in 2016 because we were so terrible in 2015- so our defense wasn't really top ranked because we recently played against so many inferior teams

Am I in an echo chamber here?

The worst season; statistically speaking, for the Ravens defense under Pees was 2015 and I can just as easily toss out that season because that was the IR-season where just about everybody on the team was on IR.

So you toss out that anomaly and this past season and the Ravens defense has been no worse than 12th in the league, and also finished 6th in the league. The stats say what they say. They only tell you part of the story which is my point.

If you simply look at the stats and rankings as an outside observer you'd be wondering why fans are calling for Pees to be fired. Ravens fans know though because we actually see the team and how they perform on a play by play basis and we see time and time again how this defense blows games for us.

Can I break it down any more than this? You realize we agree and you are saying the exact same thing I am?

[Derrel]

  11 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

We had the easiest schedule in 2016 because we were so terrible in 2015- so our defense wasn't really top ranked because we recently played against so many inferior teams

Am I in an echo chamber here?

The worst season; statistically speaking, for the Ravens defense under Pees was 2015 and I can just as easily toss out that season because that was the IR-season where just about everybody on the team was on IR.

So you toss out that anomaly and this past season and the Ravens defense has been no worse than 12th in the league, and also finished 6th in the league. The stats say what they say. They only tell you part of the story which is my point.

If you simply look at the stats and rankings as an outside observer you'd be wondering why fans are calling for Pees to be fired. Ravens fans know though because we actually see the team and how they perform on a play by play basis and we see time and time again how this defense blows games for us.

Can I break it down any more than this? You realize we agree and you are saying the exact same thing I am?

losses on the defense: Jets, Giants, Cincy, Pittsburgh....can't hold a lead

[RavenManiac#7]

I didn't have much respect at all for Harbaugh as a HC and, after his decision to retain his OC And DC, I have even less. This just proves some of his weaknesses, misplaced and too much loyalty, and his decision making. I love my Ravens, hence my RavenManiac handle, but Harbaugh sure does make it difficult to be a Ravens fan. Yes, I will remain with them, as avidly as ever no matter what, but he makes it very heart-wrenching, painful, and difficult to do so. I live in the mountains of western Maryland, and there are many more Squealers fans than there are Ravens fans around here. I can't tell you the number of times that I have had to listen to those Squealers fans laugh at Harbaugh's ineptness. They, actually, point out many specific instances that he has made bonehead decisions and ask me how he could possibly have done those things. I hate to have to say that it is, sometimes, impossible to defend him. So, all I can do is point out some things that Tomlin has done that haven't exactly been too wise either. But, the point is, there is no defending Harbaugh. And, I believe strongly, that this is one of those times and decisions of his. I can only hope that Mr. Bisciotti has a change of heart like he did with Brian Billick, when he decided to fire him after, initially, giving him a vote of confidence. Please, Mr. Bisciotti, do NOT let Harbaugh do this to your team. My goodness, I thought that all three of them should go, but I Did see a scenario where you might have given Harbaugh one more year to prove himself but with the stipulation that he dismiss Both his OC and DC. Please, Mr. Bisciotti, help us loyal fans once again.

[axisofeeble]

Pees defense is OK until his prevent soft,lay back gets us beat. NEW BLOOD NEEDED we might be 9-7 next year but 6-10 more likely with John being loyal.

[RavenManiac#7]

starting wonder what Steve is up to. If anything at all that is

Well, at least he knows what Harbaugh wants to do now. Harbaugh wants to retain an OC who, basically, had a horrible audition for the job. And he wants to retain a DC who consistently put defenses out there which could not protect leads and gave up late game winning drives over and over and over again. We can only hope that he mulls that over and decides to do the same thing he did when he, at first, endorsed keeping Billick, but then decided that the wiser thing would be to tank him. Honestly, I think Mr. Bisciotti's team would be far better off getting rid of all three of them, wiping the slate clean, and beginning the task of letting a new coaching regime get started in turning his team around. Of course, Pitta would like to keep the present OC. Marty has no problem with Joe throwing much too high of a percentage of passes to him at the expense of rendering the wrs obsolete. Of course, we do need better wr, but still.....

[RavenManiac#7]

  12 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I think we need to cut Flacco and start all over- even better, cut Oz and DaCosta too and get Scot McCloughan from Washington to run things in Baltimore-

I would not go that far but he sure the heck is not worth Brady and Rogers money. Pay reduction would go à long way in saving the Ravens future.

That's just not how contracts work in the NFL, Crusader, and all you others who are calling for paying Joe less. Joe's contract is signed, sealed, and delivered. The Only way we pay Joe less is if he agrees to it. Tell me, all of you, if your bosses came to you and asked you to take a pay cut so that the company could give what Was your money to someone else, how many of you would say, "sure, I understand. Go right ahead"? And restructuring has gotten us into enough problems already. When are you going to understand that we're paying the going rate for a franchise QB in the NFL now. And you Do realize that if we hadn't paid Joe that, after his MVP Super Bowl win, some other team would have. Just who would be our QB now had we not paid him and he had gone elsewhere? And don't say Tyrod Taylor, because very, very few expected him to have even the level of success that he has, and I think that he still has a lot of proving to do. Just look around the league and count how many teams are in desperate need of a QB and how many would simply Love to have Joe on their roster. We simply didn't have another viable option then and we don't now. Brady and Rodgers are not the only QBs making comparable money to Joe. There are others.

[marcus leite]

The results of the Ravens' attack have been mediocre for the last 4 years. Is John Harbaugh satisfied? I think it's time to rethink John Harbaugh.

[RavenManiac#7]

  15 hours ago, Vitalvicious said:

Aye yah yah, it'll be the same old stuff next season then. Vanilla offense, nothing exciting nor inventive. Gosh this is just amazing that there's so many talented, young, fresh offensive minds out there in college yet we stick the the same old boring stuff year after year, I couldn't tell you one play to where I was like "dang that's a nice lil wrinkle right there" or "man what a nicely designed play" Smh not a good start to the year!

the Ravens will be looking for a new HC this time next year.

Oooops! Just missed it! Just One year too late. Shoot, Fire, and Apple Butter!

[billiejean]

15 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I think we need to cut Flacco and start all over- even better, cut Oz and DaCosta too and get Scot McCloughan from Washington to run things in Baltimore-

You have to be joking..... McCoughans had a terrible 2016 draft and offseason in general. Where have you been?  And it wasnt just this year either.  In 2015 they draft a GAURD with the number 5 pick. The olb they drafted in the second had a great rookie year with 8 sacks which was cut in half this year.  The running back they drafted in the third who had a promising rookie season has been demoted to third string.  The grass is not always greener. 

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/12/14/redskins-16-draft-class-questions/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/as-the-redskins-prepare-for-crucial-week-17-test-their-draft-class-is-marked-absent/2016/12/29/9e0fcf6c-ce00-11e6-a87f-b917067331bb_story.html?utm_term=.e938c50ce34b

http://www.hogshaven.com/2017/1/4/14164524/why-scot-mccloughan-set-the-redskins-back
 

Edited January 4 by billiejean

[Crusader]

  14 hours ago, Crusader said:

  15 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I think we need to cut Flacco and start all over- even better, cut Oz and DaCosta too and get Scot McCloughan from Washington to run things in Baltimore-

I would not go that far but he sure the heck is not worth Brady and Rogers money. Pay reduction would go à long way in saving the Ravens future.

That's just not how contracts work in the NFL, Crusader, and all you others who are calling for paying Joe less. Joe's contract is signed, sealed, and delivered. The Only way we pay Joe less is if he agrees to it. Tell me, all of you, if your bosses came to you and asked you to take a pay cut so that the company could give what Was your money to someone else, how many of you would say, "sure, I understand. Go right ahead"? And restructuring has gotten us into enough problems already. When are you going to understand that we're paying the going rate for a franchise QB in the NFL now. And you Do realize that if we hadn't paid Joe that, after his MVP Super Bowl win, some other team would have. Just who would be our QB now had we not paid him and he had gone elsewhere? And don't say Tyrod Taylor, because very, very few expected him to have even the level of success that he has, and I think that he still has a lot of proving to do. Just look around the league and count how many teams are in desperate need of a QB and how many would simply Love to have Joe on their roster. We simply didn't have another viable option then and we don't now. Brady and Rodgers are not the only QBs making comparable money to Joe. There are others.

Gee Wiz Are you on Joe's payroll? Of course Joe's not going to take a pay reduction nor did I say get ride of him but it is a fact the Ravens could sure use the cap space for better players but that can't happen. They did try that with Boldin.

[Moderator 3]

3 hours ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

I live in the mountains of western Maryland, and there are many more Squealers fans than there are Ravens fans around here. I can't tell you the number of times that I have had to listen to those Squealers fans laugh at Harbaugh's ineptness. They, actually, point out many specific instances that he has made bonehead decisions and ask me how he could possibly have done those things. I hate to have to say that it is, sometimes, impossible to defend him. So, all I can do is point out some things that Tomlin has done that haven't exactly been too wise either. But, the point is, there is no defending Harbaugh.

Since the end of the 2010 season, the Steelers have won ONE playoff game and that was due to the traditional Bengals meltdown.  I'd rather keep Harbaugh, thank you.

[GregRaven]

Mornhinweg retained. This is quite disapponting to hear. Apparently, mediocrity is OK with Harbaugh. Meanwhile, we continue to pay top dollar for our season tickets. What's wrong with this picture???

[Johnny-U]

I can see retaining Marty as OC, given that continually changing coordinators IS NOT a recipe for success; however I cringe when I think of Marty's play calling/giving up on the run this past season.

On defense, I just saw too many 4th quarter melt downs under Pees this year as well as years past.

Bottom line, though: "cleaning house" after an 8-8 season in which we were inches away from beating Pittsburgh AT Pittsburgh would have made us more like Cleveland than New England. Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm glad the Browns play elsewhere.

[purpledown]

after a few days of thinking about this is a good move, keeping the coordinators. Continuity is the main thing. But its got to be a playoff or bust season.

[Ravensfansince03]

Let's just bite the bullet and see what happens.

[Ravensfansince03]

  On 1/3/2017 at 10:07 PM, Crusader said:

  On 1/3/2017 at 9:53 PM, OzzieBisciotti said:

I think we need to cut Flacco and start all over- even better, cut Oz and DaCosta too and get Scot McCloughan from Washington to run things in Baltimore-

I would not go that far but he sure the heck is not worth Brady and Rogers money. Pay reduction would go à long way in saving the Ravens future.

That's just not how contracts work in the NFL, Crusader, and all you others who are calling for paying Joe less. Joe's contract is signed, sealed, and delivered. The Only way we pay Joe less is if he agrees to it. Tell me, all of you, if your bosses came to you and asked you to take a pay cut so that the company could give what Was your money to someone else, how many of you would say, "sure, I understand. Go right ahead"? And restructuring has gotten us into enough problems already. When are you going to understand that we're paying the going rate for a franchise QB in the NFL now. And you Do realize that if we hadn't paid Joe that, after his MVP Super Bowl win, some other team would have. Just who would be our QB now had we not paid him and he had gone elsewhere? And don't say Tyrod Taylor, because very, very few expected him to have even the level of success that he has, and I think that he still has a lot of proving to do. Just look around the league and count how many teams are in desperate need of a QB and how many would simply Love to have Joe on their roster. We simply didn't have another viable option then and we don't now. Brady and Rodgers are not the only QBs making comparable money to Joe. There are others.

Honestly, i always wondered how it would have been if we never had signed Flacco to that big contract. It would have been a big splash move, but honestly with the lack of success this team has been having, and Flacco's low energy and high inconsistencies, how much worse can we be?

Just FYI. When I played madden years ago, I always traded away Flacco because he is just as inconsistent in real life as in the game. In the game he asks for too much money. I always drafted another QB immediately and basically rebuilt my offense to be much more successful.

long story short. I would not lose sleep if flacco went elsewhere, as long as the defense was assessed as a top priority