Marty stays...fixing the offense heading into 2017

[hn68wb4]

6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Pees and Rosburg will be retained as well, per Harbaugh.

So no Coordinator changes expected for 2017.

Not that either of those are surprising. Rosburg is still one of the best out there, and anyone who thought Pees would be fired after an overall successful campaign was only fooling themselves.

[Ravensfan23]

13 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

That's a lot of ifs. I do agree we need to address the center position in the draft. Zuttah is holding the line back. I do also subscribe to the notion that even though Marty had a tendency to be pass happy, the run blocking wasn't amazing either. We have two guys who I think are good(I think Dixon is a future franchise back). We have a few talented young TEs. We need another WR, but I like what I see from Breshad. But we don't ever resort to using them. That's why I'm worried. 

 

I hope you're right lol, I'm a die hard fan of the team, and even if I don't support what Ozzie/Harbs and co. are doing, they're better than all of us at it. 

 

We need to hire Dennison as QB coach or something... Hell, I'll take Zorn back, he's unemployed right?

What's the infatuation with Dennison? From my view point he was the helper to a former QB in Kubiak. Even when he was here it was Kubes who worked daily with Flacco, Dennison was basically the guy that taught the offense to the other coaches. I'm not sure he's the guy you want to hand Flacco over to. 

I don't think the pass happy tendency is going away and I don't think it should. You need to throw the ball to win in this league imo. However what I feel they need to do is take advantage of other teams weaknesses better, hit on more big plays and score in the redzone. This will put more points on the board early and allow the offense to run the ball more. But Flacco is going to throw the ball 38-40 times each game no doubt. I 

I'm of the think that the offense wasn't a bad as it looked. Guys just weren't on the same page and you hope that's something that will be rectified by having a full offense to learn the offense. 

 

[rossihunter2]

25 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I think there are far better potential OC on the market

id agree - but i think they are all either staying on as OCs where they are successful or they are getting hired as HCs

[Tank 92]

Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if Harbaugh gave Kubiak a call yesterday. 

[GamingRaven92]

I'm 50/50 on it. He definitely deserves a chance because he was having to use the Trestman play book. Given an off season to rework everything and get some new talent on the team, he could end up being a very well OC. So we'll see. He does have the track record of being very very good, especially compared to Trestman

[Tyler]

7 minutes ago, GamingRaven92 said:

I'm 50/50 on it. He definitely deserves a chance because he was having to use the Trestman play book. Given an off season to rework everything and get some new talent on the team, he could end up being a very well OC. So we'll see. He does have the track record of being very very good, especially compared to Trestman

He also has a track record of making the run game non existent, and a track record for winning a coin toss in SUDDEN DEATH overtime, only to choose to kick the ball to the other team..... So forgive me for not being very optimistic. 

[jazz1988]

6 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Have you considered the chance of Ravens actually getting a 'great OC'?

It might be lower than Browns being a playoff contenders next year.

We basically fired 3 OCs(besides Kube) starting from Cam Cameron in embarassing fashion.

What makes you think a OC will:

1) work with a now 10year vet QB that is regressing

2) fanbase that will always shift the blame on OC

3)HC that is more than willing to cut OC before season ends and believes QB can do no wrong

Whether you want to believe it or not, no sane OC wants to come here with that kind of leverage.

We have alot of coaches on staff that are well respected and well praised.  But when it comes to OC specifically? We hace some weird fetish to put him in the dumps faster than anyone else in the nfl. 

The last time i checked only Cam Cameron and Marc Trestman got fired so it hasn't been three offensive coordinators.  Adam Gase was willing to work with Jay Cutler and Cutler hasn't been the  most consistently good quarterback for the past 3 or so years . The idea that any  sane offensive coordinator doesn't want to work with Joe Flacco is crazy  especially considering the past offensive coordiantor he has work with .Jim Caldwell and Gary Kubiak have all got head coaching offers base off  how well Flacco and the offense played  .

[mmcclend]

I really wonder how much of what we saw was truly Marty's scheme. That's what has me conflicted about this. I mean his sutuation is the definition of being thrown into the fire. 

[Grapple Raven]

5 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

It would be awesome btw if we got Dennison as QB coach if he's fired after they get a new coach or even Kubiak if he wants a less involved role where he focused on teaching. 

I've been saying this for a week now Grim. lol

[RaineV1]

19 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

I really wonder how much of what we saw was truly Marty's scheme. That's what has me conflicted about this. I mean his sutuation is the definition of being thrown into the fire. 

There isn't much of a difference between one west coast offense playbook and another. And it's not like Trestman's playbook just didn't have running plays in it.

[Moderator 3]

Here's a nice sane article on the "situation".

	Jamison Hensley (@jamisonhensley)
1/3/17, 6:46 PM John Harbaugh taking a gamble by putting his faith in Marty Mornhinweg es.pn/2j28uEB

 

[jazz1988]

45 minutes ago, Tyler said:

He also has a track record of making the run game non existent, and a track record for winning a coin toss in SUDDEN DEATH overtime, only to choose to kick the ball to the other team..... So forgive me for not being very optimistic. 

 Marty M had  rushing attack that was ranked third overall in 2014. He had both Chris Johnson and Chris Ivory at the time . Ivory had a total of  198 rushing attempts while Chris Johnson had a total of 155 rushing attempts which equals  353 rushing attempts combined. He did get away from the run at times in that year but looking at the games they lost it may have been due to the team trying to catch due to being so far behind on the scoring board.

[jimmypowder]

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

Not that either of those are surprising. Rosburg is still one of the best out there, and anyone who thought Pees would be fired after an overall successful campaign was only fooling themselves.

He can't coach in the 4th quarter . 

[jimmypowder]

Next season should be labeled Harbaugh's Last Stand . 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Does Our Organization Really Want to "Help Joe"? Really?

Here's the deal: If we really wanted to help Joe the 1st thing to do is to acknowledge and accept who he is. He will never likely be a top-tier QB by the end of his career. He is a reasonably efficient QB who if put in the right conditions can have 'top-tier' QB games from time to time. I'm still a fan of Joe's, but I think our organization is completely missing the boat on what it would take to elevate his play and make it more consistent. More play makers, coaching continuity and dedication are good, reasonable wishes, but Joe's more important need is urgency. It's mental beyond everything else.

1. Firstly, have him admit to himself that he's not a top-tier QB currently although he's had a few great games (playoffs and SB). This will only challenge him to work harder to get to that goal and/or humble him enough to know that he must sacrifice enough to help the entire offensive unit to become top-tier. This may mean giving-up some of his salary to procure more talent around him (i.e. - Brady).

2. Coaching/Continuity: The Marty-thing was a mistake. It won't help Joe to get there at all. The best move would have been to keep Marty as a QB Coach (only). That's adequate continuity. He should have just remained as a season fill-in and continue his earlier role because of his amicable relationship with Joe, but change is needed.

3. Bring-in a new OC that runs the current system, but lights a fire under Joe and doesn't allow him to dictate his play, scheme or even allow him to over-assess his development. Start with the most difficult variations of the current scheme during the off-season and stay with them.

4. Lastly, address his ego before it's too late. Yes, Joe has a huge ego. Examples of this are the "I don't want to be lining up at Z and X. I want to line up behind center..." wildcat rant even though the play averaged over 10 yards per attempt, on the ELITE question "I mean, I think I’m the best," he said back then. "I don’t think I’m top-five, I think I’m the best. I don’t think I’d be very successful at my job if I didn’t feel that way. I mean, come on." and his consistent insistence on not audibly out of bad play calls, work with the entire receiving core and skill players during off-seasons and generally not accepting critic even when it's due.

This said, it's mental. If the organization wants to truly help this soon to be 10 year veteran QB and elevate the team as well, challenge is resolve - don't pander to his comfort-zone. He performs better in that role and so does the rest of the team.

[Glen1024]

6 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Does Our Organization Really Want to "Help Joe"? Really?

Here's the deal: If we really wanted to help Joe the 1st thing to do is to acknowledge and accept who he is. He will never likely be a top-tier QB by the end of his career. He is a reasonably efficient QB who if put in the right conditions can have 'top-tier' QB games from time to time. I'm still a fan of Joe's, but I think our organization is completely missing the boat on what it would take to elevate his play and make it more consistent. More play makers, coaching continuity and dedication are good, reasonable wishes, but Joe's more important need is urgency. It's mental beyond everything else.

1. Firstly, have him admit to himself that he's not a top-tier QB currently although he's had a few great games (playoffs and SB). This will only challenge him to work harder to get to that goal and/or humble him enough to know that he must sacrifice enough to help the entire offensive unit to become top-tier. This may mean giving-up some of his salary to procure more talent around him (i.e. - Brady).

2. Coaching/Continuity: The Marty-thing was a mistake. It won't help Joe to get there at all. The best move would have been to keep Marty as a QB Coach (only). That's adequate continuity. He should have just remained as a season fill-in and continue his earlier role because of his amicable relationship with Joe, but change is needed.

3. Bring-in a new OC that runs the current system, but lights a fire under Joe and doesn't allow him to dictate his play, scheme or even allow him to over-assess his development. Start with the most difficult variations of the current scheme during the off-season and stay with them.

4. Lastly, address his ego before it's too late. Yes, Joe has a huge ego. Examples of this are the "I don't want to be lining up at Z and X. I want to line up behind center..." wildcat rant even though the play averaged over 10 yards per attempt, on the ELITE question "I mean, I think I’m the best," he said back then. "I don’t think I’m top-five, I think I’m the best. I don’t think I’d be very successful at my job if I didn’t feel that way. I mean, come on." and his consistent insistence on not audibly out of bad play calls, work with the entire receiving core and skill players during off-seasons and generally not accepting critic even when it's due.

This said, it's mental. If the organization wants to truly help this soon to be 10 year veteran QB and elevate the team as well, challenge is resolve - don't pander to his comfort-zone. He performs better in that role and so does the rest of the team

Well said, I've always believed Flacco needs to be challenged mentally with his game. Imo I think that's where a lot of his inconsistency comes from in that mental prep or lack thereof

[gtalk12]

The real issues we have are on the defensive side of the ball if you ask me.

 

We have a lot of young guys that seem to be making plays and creating turnovers. We did not get to the QB the way we should have. Judon I enjoyed and expect growth from. We will see what happens when Carl Davis comes back healthy and what that is going to mean for Jernigan and Pierce. One of these guys needs to step up and I thought twice in Timmys career that he was going to be the guy. The first time when Ngata went down and the 2nd time this year when he started hot.

 

As for the offense it was clear to me that the playcalling and the routes left much to be desired. We abandoned the run too many times and it felt as thought the big run plays all came thanks to a holding penalty. Flacco I expect to be better and now that he is going to actually be throwing to the young guys we should expect some reasonable improvements with the WR's especially Perriman. I thought Wallace played well and made some big plays this year. Dink and Dunk is not Flacco at all, we need to run the ball much better to set up play action. Dixon will be coming into his second year and to me the clear cut starter next year. We need to hope for some health on the OL. Alex Lewis looked good, let's hope he continues to grow.

[Purple Punishment]

1 hour ago, mmcclend said:

I really wonder how much of what we saw was truly Marty's scheme. That's what has me conflicted about this. I mean his sutuation is the definition of being thrown into the fire. 

 

Even if it wasn't his scheme, he relented to run the damn football and we lost games due to that inability to do so

[K-Dog]

Copy and paste from another thread.

 

John Eisenberg, a writer whose opinion I greatly respect wrote this on the main page earlier today.  

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Eisenberg-Regardless-Of-Who-Is-Coordinator-Ravens-Offensive-Philosophy-Needs-A-Makeover/923715ce-9ea8-446a-a924-505cb746a1af

 

It pretty much sums up my thoughts perfectly.

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But honestly, I’m not even that focused on WHO the OC is so much as WHAT he does going forward. Regardless of who is in charge, the Ravens’ offensive philosophy needs a makeover.

THIS is why I am not bent out of shape they are keeping Marty. 

[Tiznut]

Not overly excited by this. Was hoping that either McCoy or Denison get brought in before a decision was made

[ellicottraven]

I think Roman or Denison will come in to become Joe's QB coach. More money invested to get the most out of Joe. Anything to get him playing like a player that earns 20+ M a year! Small investment considering what we're going through as a team.

[Tiznut]

Just now, ellicottraven said:

I think Roman or Denison will come in to become Joe's QB coach. More money invested to get the most out of Joe. Anything to get him playing like a player that earns 20+ M a year! Small investment considering what we're going through as a team.

Appealing but not sure Denison should be willing to be a qb coach. Think he should and will get a shot at oc somewhere 

[hn68wb4]

2 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

He can't coach in the 4th quarter . 

And we all agree on that, but considering for 3/4 of the season we were in contention to be the top defense in the league, there was no chance whatsoever that he'd be fired. I'm sorry people can't take a step back and realize what we want doesn't matter, when the defense can be looked at as one of the best in the league the coach simply isn't going to be fired.

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, Tiznut said:

Appealing but not sure Denison should be willing to be a qb coach. Think he should and will get a shot at oc somewhere 

I don't like the idea of Dennison being a quarterback coach in a offensive scheme that doesn't have Gary Kubiak or Kyle/Mike Shanahan as the offensive coordinator.Now if John Harbaugh wanted to bring Rick Dennison aboard to be  The Ravens offensive line coach or offenseconsultant then that would be better.  There are only three guys that make  alot sense to be The Ravens quarterback and that is Greg Knapp, Greg Olson, and Jim Zorn because they all have worked with Marty M or bought up under the same offensive coordinator as Marty M.  Mike Mccoy could be a good candidate as well but not sure how well he would fit in with Marty M.

Edited January 4 by jazz1988

[Cville-Raven]

I just hope Flacco works on his mechanics in the offseason. 

[Tank 92]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Once Stanley got healthy, the line really took off. Simply solidifying that left side of the line with a healthy Stanley did absolute wonders for the blocking. I would venture to say the Ravens were a top 10 blocking unit when Stanley got healthy. After all, they finished with a healthy 4.0 YPC in the running game.

And you can absolutely scheme players open.

Zuttah never took off and often ended up in Joe's lap. He had maybe two or three decent games. Other than that he pretty much sucked.  Ducasse while serviceable at times, also played badly at times. Top 10? Not sure how you could say that. Dixon and West did much of what they did on their own through hard, tough running after contact. Really don't recall any huge holes opened for them, other than the first drive in the Cowboys game. Not sure what the difference was, but it's a shame we couldn't have that effort the entire season. 

And sure you can scheme players open, if the players are capable of executing. At the end of the day there were just too many weak links personnel wise to lay full blame on the OC. 

[kjbmore]

Yanda back to RG and a new centre and we might be able to get something going - Ducasse and Zuttah were just turnstiles, Lets start by fixing the line

But if we don't add some height, size, strength to our receivers - I'm not expecting anything different, nobody getting open, a heap of close games and tucker will still be our best weapon 

enough with the munchkins and cast offs - get big, get strong and we might be able to start exploiting our speed

Otherwise we might be looking for for more than a new OC next year

[donkeyking64]

5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

No i dont think he did great - but i also understood going into it, coming in mid-year, the conditions werent there to really expect a great overhaul.

Its not an enviable position to take over an offense thats been horrible for 7 straight games and a team on a 4 game losing streak with 1 week to prepare.

And, even less so when youre stuck with another guys playbook and verbiage which is similar, but not your own. Not many guys really succeed in that situation. When a coordinator gets fired theres usually a lot more problems than just the coordinator. He might be the head of it, or the most noticeable one, but NFL Coordinators didnt get there and get new jobs by being bad. So usually a lot more than just them goes wrong.

And marty inherited all those problems in a less ideal situation than an OC starting in the offseason. And he improved the team, although marginally. And if youd have told me at any point weeks 8-14 that our offense would be the unit to carry us to wins in Miami, and go drive for drive with one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL (Pitt) i wouldve never believed it.

Not consistently good. But enough to analyze and like. There were a couple really good game plans... and some really good instances of playcalling. Situationally we were never good, but thats the part that suffers the most when youre running another mans offense. In your own offense you know all your plays and the verbiage to call them in. So, if an unexpected situation arises you can quickly pull the perfect play from memory to beat that defense, or win in that situation.

In another guys offense you might know what you want to do, but if you didnt pre-select on your menu of plays youre not gonna know what that play is called in his offense. Or the route combinations might not be there to attack defenses teh way you want to.

I mean some guys like to attack horizontally to set up the vertical. Some like to attack vertical to open up underneath. Some like to attack multiple levels with route combos. Some like to use bunches and motion. Some like to use the run followed with playaction and bootlegs. And while all those types of plays are likely in Trestmans offense, if they werent emphasized in the offseason and performed with a series of repetition, the design doesnt matter all that much because if the understanding or the timing with the players isnt there - its not going to be successful.

 

So - i saw improvements. Situationally we need to be better - but i think that improves just with the comfort of Marty being in Marty world. 

If the QB cosigns and endorses the guy.... and hes our franchise player... who am i to question? 2 of the offensive leaders got out in front of this to say they see no reason for Marty to go and want him back. That tells me they see more to the story than just Marty sucks... and they see something with him that they can succeed with. Bc no QB and TE are going to want an OC that going to get them cut in 2018.

 

And if youre going to live and die by your QB... whose clearly suffered from an OC carousel to this point in his career, and doing that hasnt helped the offense aside from 1 year... why would you purposely ostracize your most important player?

As a leader you have to trust your franchise QB to know whats best for him. If you liked Marty to begin with and that guy cosigns it - then lets go. Its on you guys to fix it. And im very much ok with rolling the dice on that. Bc the man deserves to go out on his own terms. Give him a fair shake and then lets judge.

Wow you went dissertation on me. After reading your response I will fall back on my disdain just a bit. After all, he did make the Jets look decent when he was OC there before coming to Baltimore as QB coach.

That said, the bolded part is where I'm still salty...or concerned with him about. If you're going to pass the ball 40 times, it shouldn't be fore 2 yards 20 of those times. Receiver catches the ball and if a man is close by he gets tackled for a 2 or 3 yd gain. *sigh* You know what I mean?

Perhaps it wasn't 50% of the time, but I saw that more times than I care to see in a game. And perhaps the Pitt game while it wasn't the very last game of the season, certain plays are etched in my memory.

If Joe can throw the deep ball, let's see some of those attempts frequently. When I saw that Breshad would be getting a lot of playing time, I thought that maybe Breshad would be on the left side with Mikey Fresh Wallace on the right. Or perhaps both of them lined up on the same side of the field where both go deep. <-----that forces the defense to go step for step with one of those guys or when they are on opposite sides of the field, the safety has to figure out where/who needs help over the top. That may sound pretty generic or "Fans just make statements like that without knowing in game circumstances" blah blah blah blah, but it's just a numbers game. Make them figure out who they have to cover. They can't cover everybody. This type of alignment or play had to have been in Trestmans playbook. Go deep down field to fast guys.

Is my thought process wrong on that? If not, we didn't really get that out of Marty. And when you got the 2 guys going deep, somebody ought to be underneath. And the thing with Torrey was if you threw the ball 3 times and the result was 0 catches, you were likely to get a PI 1 of 3 times. When I played they used to say the only defense against speed is PI

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Does Our Organization Really Want to "Help Joe"? Really?

Here's the deal: If we really wanted to help Joe the 1st thing to do is to acknowledge and accept who he is. He will never likely be a top-tier QB by the end of his career. He is a reasonably efficient QB who if put in the right conditions can have 'top-tier' QB games from time to time. I'm still a fan of Joe's, but I think our organization is completely missing the boat on what it would take to elevate his play and make it more consistent. More play makers, coaching continuity and dedication are good, reasonable wishes, but Joe's more important need is urgency. It's mental beyond everything else.

1. Firstly, have him admit to himself that he's not a top-tier QB currently although he's had a few great games (playoffs and SB). This will only challenge him to work harder to get to that goal and/or humble him enough to know that he must sacrifice enough to help the entire offensive unit to become top-tier. This may mean giving-up some of his salary to procure more talent around him (i.e. - Brady).

2. Coaching/Continuity: The Marty-thing was a mistake. It won't help Joe to get there at all. The best move would have been to keep Marty as a QB Coach (only). That's adequate continuity. He should have just remained as a season fill-in and continue his earlier role because of his amicable relationship with Joe, but change is needed.

3. Bring-in a new OC that runs the current system, but lights a fire under Joe and doesn't allow him to dictate his play, scheme or even allow him to over-assess his development. Start with the most difficult variations of the current scheme during the off-season and stay with them.

4. Lastly, address his ego before it's too late. Yes, Joe has a huge ego. Examples of this are the "I don't want to be lining up at Z and X. I want to line up behind center..." wildcat rant even though the play averaged over 10 yards per attempt, on the ELITE question "I mean, I think I’m the best," he said back then. "I don’t think I’m top-five, I think I’m the best. I don’t think I’d be very successful at my job if I didn’t feel that way. I mean, come on." and his consistent insistence on not audibly out of bad play calls, work with the entire receiving core and skill players during off-seasons and generally not accepting critic even when it's due.

This said, it's mental. If the organization wants to truly help this soon to be 10 year veteran QB and elevate the team as well, challenge is resolve - don't pander to his comfort-zone. He performs better in that role and so does the rest of the team.

All this is well written and I'm sure you'll get a ton of people to agree with you, but I couldn't disagree more. 

1. You are talking about admitting he's not top tier. Are you serious? Can you imagine how little respect he'd get from his teammates? If you're saying he needs to put in more work to be as good as he wants to be than great, but "admit to himself he's not top tier" why even play the game if you don't think you are as good as the next man? Also let's not make Brady out to be such a great team guy. The Patriots came to him and ask him to restructure his deal, but he was always paid the same amount of money in the end. He didn't "give up any salary" No different than Flacco restructuring his contract this year, which he didn't have to do btw. Flacco's exact words. 

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"We've got a bunch of good players and we've got a great foundation already but with the way the deal was before I mean it might not have been this year but at some point there was gonna be a strain on what we could do and what kind of guys we could bring in," Flacco noted. "You don't wanna see any of the guys on your team have to be let go because of some issue with the cap and I wanted to play here.

I wanted to play here, I want to play here, continue to play here for a long time. So getting something done I just felt like it helped out you know a couple things. It keeps me here for a long time and it also allows us to go do some things that you know we may need to do and it allows us to keep guys that we might have to think about doing things with if we didn't get anything done."

Futhermore, Flacco saving the Ravens cap money allowed them to make a competitive offer to KO but the deal he signed just wasn't smart for the Ravens, especially if he wasn't gonna be a LT. Since signing Flacco to the huge deal, the Ravens have signed, Yanda(15'), Monroe(14'), Weddle(16') Wallace(16') Watson(16') Jimmy(15'), SSS(14') Zuttah(15'). None of these players were fall back options for the Ravens. They were guys the Ravens wanted, so who exactly how has Flacco handicapped the Ravens? QYeah they weren't able to sign KO and Torrey but it wasn't because of Flacco's contract. Now of course Flacco's cap number has some impact on the team's ability to shell big money to some guys, simple because you can't sign everyone but i'm sure much like Brady if the Ravens approach Flacco about getting most of his salary in bonus money to save cap he would because it costs him nothing. 

3. Just doesn't make sense to me. Your QB has to have input in the offense. Furthermore, the only time the offense seemed to really click is when Flacco was running things at the LOS. So why wouldn't you just go into the offense focused on him mastering Marty's system and working with his young WRs/TEs to get everyone on the same page as much as possible before offseason workouts. Also, by all reports that i've seen on the matter Marty is exactly the type of coach you described. He's a no nosense type of guy that isn't afraid to get in his QBs or HCs face to get his point across.

4. Are you kidding me? Seriously? I know Flacco had a down season and he'll probably get beat up all offseason until he performs well next season, but you can't be serious with this. Address his ego? What NFL player doesn't have a ego? I'll tell you the guy that isn't any good, that guy that's just happy to make the PS squad is a guy that doesn't have a ego. Did you hear what Aiken about knowing he's a starter in the NFL? Did you read the reports or see the reactions of Wallace and SSS when they wanted the ball? Have you ever heard Ray Lewis or Ed Reed speak? His ego is out of hand because he didn't want to be a wildcat QB? Really? Not to mention that was a full 7 years ago. Again what professional would not think they are the best, even if they know the next man is better? How would you really react if Flacco went into a big game vs Brady or Ben and said. Yeah I know i'll never be able to go out and have my offenses play to the level that those guys well, I just hope they make a few mistakes, so we can keep the game competitive lol. I'm sorry but i want every single one of my players thinking they are the best at their position and giving their teammates that confidence as well. 

[donkeyking64]

3 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

The last time i checked only Cam Cameron and Marc Trestman got fired so it hasn't been three offensive coordinators.  Adam Gase was willing to work with Jay Cutler and Cutler hasn't been the  most consistently good quarterback for the past 3 or so years . The idea that any  sane offensive coordinator doesn't want to work with Joe Flacco is crazy  especially considering the past offensive coordiantor he has work with .Jim Caldwell and Gary Kubiak have all got head coaching offers base off  how well Flacco and the offense played  .

Maybe he was throwing Jim Fassell into that mix and/or Mike Cavanaugh...???