Marty stays...fixing the offense heading into 2017

[RavensFanMania]

4 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

Greg Roman sucks

He's not a good offensive coordinator but he's good in the run game. 

[nextgen_RavensFan]

There is no fixing the offense unless we get Joe's head back into the game and get him passed his fear or whatever it is that caused his major drop off in play this year. That has to be the first step, we have no other choice. 

[Hardbaugh]

I hope the coaches don't buy a house in this area as they have a coach killer at quarterback. As I mentioned in another thread the Ravens need to get back to shut down defense and big bruising dose of run game.

 

I doubt the Ravens have the assets both monetary and draft picks to pull the talent overhaul off but here's hoping.

[jazz1988]

6 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

Greg Roman sucks

Considering the success The 49ers had with him and how creative he is with the run game then I have to disagree.I like that he's only 44 years old and he should help alot with The Ravens rushing attack.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, Hardbaugh said:

I hope the coaches don't buy a house in this area as they have a coach killer at quarterback. As I mentioned in another thread the Ravens need to get back to shut down defense and big bruising dose of run game.

 

I doubt the Ravens have the assets both monetary and draft picks to pull the talent overhaul off but here's hoping.

Gary Kubiak and Jim Caldwell say hello...

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, Hardbaugh said:

I hope the coaches don't buy a house in this area as they have a coach killer at quarterback. As I mentioned in another thread the Ravens need to get back to shut down defense and big bruising dose of run game.

 

I doubt the Ravens have the assets both monetary and draft picks to pull the talent overhaul off but here's hoping.

Please give me any example?

[trevorsteadman]

You know the Ravens have been in the bottom 5 in the league in paying their receivers and people wonder why the offense continues to struggle. The front office needs to go out and actually invest in some quality receivers. 

[AnthonyGames]

Why is every post negative in here? We are stuck with Marty, for now. Why wouldn't we revel in the fact that we can get a guy like Greg Roman who many consider a creative run game specialist?! The fact that we are even thinking about that shows that Harbaugh is conscious of the fact we NEED to run the ball. And hey, a guy with Roman's resume could only help in the coaches room when putting together the offensive game plan. Who knows, he may outshine Marty and become the new OC (let's not think about that yet).

[ellicottraven]

On 1/3/2017 at 0:04 PM, ellicottraven said:

I know who it'll be. Greg Roman. John defers to Jim on QB coaches I'm near certain and that is the guy who'll be the QB coach.

I still believe Greg Roman will be here pretty soon! Its just John's way to dig into Jim's rolodex to get coaches interested. I knew it the moment he talked about it in his exit presser and therefore called it!

[terrynjulia03]

On 1/9/2017 at 1:44 PM, Ravensfan23 said:

Maybe you don't understand the term of continuity. 

It's not all about the playbook. Marty has a working relationship with not only the players but most of the lower level coaches that will be on this staff. If you bring someone new in that mean new relationships have to be formed. So when Marty and Engram sit down to talk about what are real expectations of Chris Moore moving forward, there is already a certain level of trust between them because they both watch him in practice throughout the season and Marty knows the type of work both Engram and Moore has put in together. 

Marty already knows the players he'll spend all offseason building the offense around because he's seen guys like Maxx, Waller, Moore, Camp, Gilmore, Lewis, Urschel and other practice over the last 2 seasons so even though their onfield production might not have been the best he already has a working relationship with these players and probably has a general idea of what they can do and how he'd like to use them. It's impossible for a new coach to have this. 

Lastingly, although Marty isn't using his playbook, he was using the concepts and verbiage of his playbook. It's the WCO it's not gonna change that much. Some things might change schematically i.e more crosses, more screens, more deep shot, but the offense isn't gonna change. If you bring in a guy like Mike McCoy there is a likelihood that he changes everything because he's not really a WCO guy. So now even though there will be changes to the playbook, having the same coach that's been in your ear much of the last season, having a familiarity of how he runs practice and his expectations of things makes the transition to a new playbook much easier than if it were a brand new coach. This offseason will be about opening up Marty's playbook more than installing a new playbook and there is a huge difference. 

Oh yeah and no, I've never played NFL football before, which i'm sure most people here haven't. 

Marty runs, or I should say used to run in Philly, a completely different system than Trestman. Everyone gets wrapped around WCO vs Air Croyle and etc... but really even inside those are vastly different approaches. It's kinda like doing a oil change on a gas vs Diesel engine. Yeah you know the basics but it's still different. Now do a oil change on a Powerstroke or Dmax vs a Peterbuilt. Same thing. It's the same, but different. 

That was my point. It's still new and a change. Yes, less so than a complete new system, but still new nonetheless. 

[Ravensfan23]

7 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Marty runs, or I should say used to run in Philly, a completely different system than Trestman. Everyone gets wrapped around WCO vs Air Croyle and etc... but really even inside those are vastly different approaches. It's kinda like doing a oil change on a gas vs Diesel engine. Yeah you know the basics but it's still different. Now do a oil change on a Powerstroke or Dmax vs a Peterbuilt. Same thing. It's the same, but different. 

That was my point. It's still new and a change. Yes, less so than a complete new system, but still new nonetheless. 

Honestly I have no idea what your point is. The reason why the offense is less so than a complete new system as you say is because, wait for it......The Ravens have continuity in place by keeping Marty. What about that isn't clear? He's already installed much of his verbiage and concepts. Now anything new he'll install will be much easier to process by remaining players because they already have a foundation built.

Marty Mornhinweg already has a relationship with the players and he won't have to worry about starting from scratch with his players. If a new OC came in, even if he was running the same exact offense with the same exact playbook, he would still be at a disadvantage because players and coaches can't have contact until late April under the CBA. With Marty right now, he can contact the likes of Perriman, Moore, Maxx, Waller, Lewis, Stanley, Urschel, Dixon, etc and let them know what his expectations of them are over the offseason. He already has an idea of how he wants to either use them differently or just expand on their role. He can get them his playbook right now and they'll have the entire offseason to learn it. A new OC just wouldn't be allowed to do this. Unless Marty is planing on tearing everything down and starting from scratch, the Ravens are benefiting from continuity with him. 

[ravens rule]

A game changer would help and I would bet my money if Dalvin Cook is there at 16 he's our pick. Too good to pass up. I'm really jealous of that dang Brown/Bell duo.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, ravens rule said:

A game changer would help and I would bet my money if Dalvin Cook is there at 16 he's our pick. Too good to pass up. I'm really jealous of that dang Brown/Bell duo.

There might be other more highly rated playmakers - I'd take Tim Williams or one of the safeties or corners ahead of cook

[gregh]

After watching the superbowl, is there any doubt why the Pats are so successful?  Their receivers to a man work with infinite energy, running each route like it is their last, always looking for and expecting the ball.  Our receivers, with the Exception of Steve Smith. run with little energy and never look for the ball. Losing Smith will be devastating unless we change this history of underachieving.  I am a psl owner since the first year and I have seen so few receivers with the moxie and confidence and stamina required to be successful. How can we corerdct this? 

[Ravenseconbeast]

On 1/10/2017 at 9:12 PM, ravens rule said:

A game changer would help and I would bet my money if Dalvin Cook is there at 16 he's our pick. Too good to pass up. I'm really jealous of that dang Brown/Bell duo.

 

Loved Dalvin @ Florida.   He is also a good kid and shouldn't have much bearing on 'attitude' issue that our FO/harb seem to care way too much about.

[Davesta]

On 1/10/2017 at 8:00 PM, rossihunter2 said:

There might be other more highly rated playmakers - I'd take Tim Williams or one of the safeties or corners ahead of cook

Tim Williams looks so skinny. Wonder if he can add weight for the NFL. I would take cook or Corey Davis if marshon isn't available. 

[RavensFanMania]

45 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Tim Williams looks so skinny. Wonder if he can add weight for the NFL. I would take cook or Corey Davis if marshon isn't available. 

I think Tim Williams is a bust waiting to happen and not for his lack of athleticism.  I said this yesterday, he's a suspension waiting to happen.  My top choice right now is Harris.  He has a devastating spin move with strong hands and has no problem getting off his blocks in the run game.  I like Corey Davis and Marshon Lattimore as well, just want to watch more tape.

[RavensDieHard21]

Build the offensive line and go heavy defense in this draft. I think we need to take a guard or center in round 2, if not three. 

I'd love to trade up from the third back into the second to take someone like Pat Eiflein or Forrest Lamp. 

Absolutely must go get a possession receiver, preferably Marshall or Garçon.

[DomMcRaven]

Marty, you BETTER run the ball when it's working....

[JoeyFlex5]

On 2/6/2017 at 4:47 PM, Davesta said:

Tim Williams looks so skinny. Wonder if he can add weight for the NFL. I would take cook or Corey Davis if marshon isn't available. 

tim williams packed on about 20 lbs after sophomore year, he reportedly was playing in the 250s this season, and he plays really strong on film. he just looks skinny because hes got abnormally long arms and hes got like zero percent body fat.