[News] Joe Flacco, Dennis Pitta Don't Foresee Change At Offensive Coordinator

[jravens1313]

Good lord. Good thing these guys aren't in charge, if they honestly think Marty should stick around. We never should have hired Tressman in the first place, and certainly shouldn't have promoted Marty.

How is Joe so oblivious? His best offensive season was with Kubiak and he hasn't been effective in a pass happy offense...

[RaRaRavens]

Ergo, more of the same in 2017. Ofcourse Flacco and Pitta would like to have Marty back, they could keep passing only to Pitta for the entire season.

[RaRaRavens]

Also, state of the Ravens press conference ought to be fun. Can't wait for the plethora of cliche excuses and slogans. "We are close to being a really good team", "Only need couple of tweeks", "We'll be back better in 2017". What a load of hogwash it's gonna probably be. This is why I'm slowly starting to lose respect for Harbaugh. I would respect an honest, straight to the point HC way more.

I wish John would just say: "Hey, here's the deal. Offensive playcalling was garbage the entire season, defense failed miserably in December and needs to start receiving some serious value from its young players, especially pass rushers, and our most expensive "franchise" player performed far below average considering his salary, experience and pieces he had around him. Wouldn't hurt to have some WRs getting open once in a while and DBs who don't fall on their fat slow arses covering slant routes. These are our issues and we'll focus on them this offseason.".

I understand it might seem as if throwing someone under the bus and might rub some people the wrong way, but Harbaugh has been covering up the shortcomings of many of our players and staff members for many years now and it has not led to better results. This approach is obviously not working. By pinpointing the issues with straight forward attitude, Harbs would at least create some belief that we actually might fix these problems and maybe, just maybe deliver the message to his team as well. Instead, we're probably gonna be hearing a lot of big empty words for 9 months now, and hope everything will get better by doing the exact same things we've been doing for 5 years. That's the definition of insanity, I think.

Edited January 3 by RaRaRavens
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[Joshuahill2@aol.com]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I see Yanda made some comments here and out of anyone on the team on offense, people should be listening to him. It may not be his job to do or say certain things, but it is also not Joe's or Dennis'. I also seem to recall years ago when the team was in an offensive muck and tried to go too cute and pass all the time and on a third consecutive quick three and out on failed passes Jonathan Ogden of all people jumped up and down on the field, clearly ticked off, took his helmet off before he got to the sideline and started yelling at the coaches. The team started running the ball again.

I certainly hope to heck that this team gets a competent OC at the very least. The team prior to Kubiak being here was a strong power run team and it worked. Then Kubiak came in with a zone running scheme that worked for what we had then at running back (Forsett). The NFL changed the rules on the cut block and now you can't do it...and that's what the zone run really needs. Then we tried to turn into this West Coast team...I dunno what we were this season other than a mess. There was no real change between Trestman and Marty that I saw. Same stupid cutesy plays as if to show off how smart you are in making up a play rather than actually sticking with a play that actually works. How many formation and illegal procedure penalties do you need to keep getting on offense before you realize you can't pull off a four man shift very well?

We don't have a zone run o-line. We don't have a west coast QB or WR's..because you know, they actually need to work free on short routes. We have a power run line for the most part with a play action deep shot QB. It is nice to say you have a system, but if your parts don't fit it, it isn't going to work. Being a good OC isn't just bringing in your system, it is making the parts you have work to the best of your ability and scheming a game plan based on that. I saw zero evidence of this this year.

Wholesale changes to the offensive coaching staff at a minimum.

I totally agree. We don't have the pieces to run this version of the West Coast offense. Joe Flacco is definitely not a West Coast QB, and really Camp is the only West Coast receiver. This was a disaster.

[jdynamite]

First after reading this basically seems like Flacco is giving a PC answer and avoiding any potential sound bites that make it seem like he's pushing for a change. 

Pitta however takes a more definitive stance by saying we need some continuity and consistency at the OC spot. 

Yanda says what needs to be said especially by an All Pro lineman we need to run the ball more!!  

I don't think the offense under Marty did any one thing especially well for the team to feel like hey this is our guy we have our Offensive Identity going forward.   

There was still games where Dixon or West had a few good carries early on then before you know it it's the 4th quarter and the team has 12 carries in a one score game.  

 

[jdynamite]

When the team fired Cam Cameron there was tangible change in the offense that could be easily seen under Caldwell years ago.  I mean Anquan Boldin was used more in the slot, we attacked the middle of the field a lot more.  And ultimately the team won a Super Bowl so keeping Caldwell and thinking things would only get better seemed obvious ( although it failed ).

 

Now this year the switch from Trestman to Marty hasn't be as obvious. The offense still never attacked down field, still failed to execute a proper Screen play ever. Had games where they failed to establish a balanced attack or completely abandoned the run. 

[jdynamite]

I'd like to see an offensive coordinator that can actually use the personnel, and put them in positions to succeed. 

Meaning a lot of these coaches (offensive and defensive ) have their systems and just want to run the system regardless of their personnels strengths and weaknesses.  Kind of like how Rex Ryan went to the bills last year and had Mario Williams dropping into coverage for what reason.

With all the TEs on this roster this season I thought this team would get creative like The Patriots have various packages to exploit LBs and Safeties in space, keep teams off balance not knowing if a run or pass is coming.  

 

Or Aiken is decent possession WR, somehow I think he ran more deep routes than Perriman or Moore kids drafted to take the top off. 

I like Juice a lot but there was a trend of on third downs to only have Juice in the back field, this could be he's a more trusted pass protector sure but more often than not it was a dump off pass to him. 

 

[law215]

Marty should not return in any capacity. Joe has not develop since his been his QB coach and the offense stinks.

Yanda's response makes me believe no one, including himself, challenges the coaches on anything.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  5 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Before we got a coordinator in 2015, we had a choice to get between Marc Trestman or Kyle Shanahan... boy that was a horrible mistake right there. All well. I believe they should hire a new offensive coordinator because l don't think Mornhinweg is gonna cut it. They should try to lean towards getting somebody like a Norv Turner who can give us some balance. Mornhinweg play call give us too many passing attempts in a game.

What do you think about Greg Roman? I loved watching all his different run schemes when he was the Niners OC.. I'm not getting my hopes up about any change because knowing Harbs he would promote Juan Castillo as the OC with his reasoning being he knows what kind of schemes we want to run. 

Roman is Terrible Rex had to fire him and all rex's teams had terrible off

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Never thought I'd see and hear this from my ravens, boy has mediocrity settled in there over at the castle

you nailed it .Its like playing for field goals when you play for field goals that's all you get are field goals

[slowboater]

Dennis: The Ravens are consistent on offense. They run 3 plays. Either Joe throws it to you, he throws it to a running back 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage or he throws it to the defense.

[slowboater]

Yanda's comments sound boilerplate. How can I be a fly on the wall and find out what he really thinks?

[slowboater]

When the team fired Cam Cameron there was tangible change in the offense that could be easily seen under Caldwell years ago.  I mean Anquan Boldin was used more in the slot, we attacked the middle of the field a lot more.  And ultimately the team won a Super Bowl so keeping Caldwell and thinking things would only get better seemed obvious ( although it failed ).

 

Now this year the switch from Trestman to Marty hasn't be as obvious. The offense still never attacked down field, still failed to execute a proper Screen play ever. Had games where they failed to establish a balanced attack or completely abandoned the run. 

For a screen play to be executed, the QB needs to release the ball quickly so the receiver is in open space. By the time Joe gets the ball out, there are 2 or 3 defenders in his face with only one blocker. So when is someone accountable?

[Rav'n Maniac]

Yeah, I don't see anything happening either. I think the next time you see any coach leave this team is when Bisciotti finally decides to dump the entire staff. Mediocrity is here to stay, at least for a while.

[DENNYK]

Right! We stay with both the OC and the DC and Harbs keeps his job. The Purple Kool-Aid is flowing at the castle. Harbs may stay, but the other two are on the hot seat and next week will shed some light on where this team is headed.
Either way, this is not the RAVENS that we are all accustomed to seeing on the field each week. No focus, lack of ability in many players that just can't step up and those ex eagle coaches that are not RAVEN caliber coaches. Fans are not going to sit still and buy into another year of this kind of ho-hum football.

[DENNYK]

Just thinking of how stubborn Harbaugh can be and you can bet that he will stand behind keeping Marty and Dean as his coordinators. It will be interesting to see what really goes down next week at the State of The Ravens meeting with Steve B. I would think that he is not going to be receptive to sitting pat on the present coaching staff. We need to jettison some players that cannot step their game up too. We all know who they are. I am losing my faith in Joe Cool too. He just seems so disinterested in the games now. No fire and after all, he has the SB ring, the money and many team records. Time to begin planning on his replacement and drafting for the future QB of this team.

[slowboater]

first off we need to get rid of Joe Flacco for saying that, Flacco only good at being a family man. He does not care if we win or loose, you can see that from his body language. I don't blame him I blame the FO for giving him that big contract and now we have to deal with it like the NO Saints.

Whose big contract? Brees? I'd love to have Brees. Payton? I'd love to have Sean Payton.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Just thinking of how stubborn Harbaugh can be and you can bet that he will stand behind keeping Marty and Dean as his coordinators. It will be interesting to see what really goes down next week at the State of The Ravens meeting with Steve B. I would think that he is not going to be receptive to sitting pat on the present coaching staff. We need to jettison some players that cannot step their game up too. We all know who they are. I am losing my faith in Joe Cool too. He just seems so disinterested in the games now. No fire and after all, he has the SB ring, the money and many team records. Time to begin planning on his replacement and drafting for the future QB of this team.

Last year they wanted to get rid of pees and harbaugh wanted him to stay and we have another year with Defense surrendering leads late in games every year different players Same coach same results home for the playoffs I am no rocket scientist but even I know whats up

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Yeah, I don't see anything happening either. I think the next time you see any coach leave this team is when Bisciotti finally decides to dump the entire staff. Mediocrity is here to stay, at least for a while.

Harbaughs been HC for 9 years 1 Division title the first job of head coach win your Division 1 in 9 not very good that's the bottom line

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  4 hours ago, jdynamite said:

When the team fired Cam Cameron there was tangible change in the offense that could be easily seen under Caldwell years ago.  I mean Anquan Boldin was used more in the slot, we attacked the middle of the field a lot more.  And ultimately the team won a Super Bowl so keeping Caldwell and thinking things would only get better seemed obvious ( although it failed ).

 

Now this year the switch from Trestman to Marty hasn't be as obvious. The offense still never attacked down field, still failed to execute a proper Screen play ever. Had games where they failed to establish a balanced attack or completely abandoned the run. 

For a screen play to be executed, the QB needs to release the ball quickly so the receiver is in open space. By the time Joe gets the ball out, there are 2 or 3 defenders in his face with only one blocker. So when is someone accountable?

Im glad you guys noticed I yell at the tv every time they run a screen we were not good at screens and the coaches couldn't fix it It is a timing Issue marty like getting plays in on time late in games and not having to waste time outs

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Just thinking of how stubborn Harbaugh can be and you can bet that he will stand behind keeping Marty and Dean as his coordinators. It will be interesting to see what really goes down next week at the State of The Ravens meeting with Steve B. I would think that he is not going to be receptive to sitting pat on the present coaching staff. We need to jettison some players that cannot step their game up too. We all know who they are. I am losing my faith in Joe Cool too. He just seems so disinterested in the games now. No fire and after all, he has the SB ring, the money and many team records. Time to begin planning on his replacement and drafting for the future QB of this team.

If no changes are made harbaugh will be going down with a sinking ship Bill Belicheck got rid of pees because his defense couldn't hold leads late and marty was fired from the jets for not knowing how to call agame

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

@KidNMe

Straight from Yanda's mouth...THEY RUN THE PLAYS THAT ARE CALLED!!!

“It would be nice to run the ball more, but in the end, I found out with that over the years that’s Marty’s call. That’s John’s [Harbaugh] call,” right guard Marshal Yanda said.

“What helps is that you’re locked in to run the play that’s called, because that’s my job. That’s Marty’s job to call the plays. That’s John’s job. Let them do their job and we’ll do ours.”
 

Edited January 3 by ibleedpurpleandblack

[PurpleRainBlackVeins]

Dennis: The Ravens are consistent on offense. They run 3 plays. Either Joe throws it to you, he throws it to a running back 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage or he throws it to the defense.

PRICELESS!! lol

[BiggMack91]

I hate to say it but i told y'all after the bills game
all in all it was an ugly win that if it speaks for the season we are going to have it looks like an 8-8 season sorry to be the realist on here an p.s doom would not have made much of a difference

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

57 minutes ago, slowboater said:

Yanda's comments sound boilerplate. How can I be a fly on the wall and find out what he really thinks?

He politically correctly said - if you have a problem with the way the offense was ran or with the plays that were called talk to the OC or the HC - I'm just a player that runs the plays as they are called...brilliant!!!!

[BiggMack91]

but we need new coaches if they don't fire these guys we will be siting in the same position next year fire john dean marty and start from scratch thats the only way we ever win another super bowl please steve fire them for the greater good of this team

[Maurice0094]

Ray Lewis used to get defensive coordinators head coaching jobs and Joe Flacco now get offensive coordinators pink slips.....with that being said it will be funny to see what OC we hire. I am interested to see if they go after Mike McCoy or Anthony Lynn? Dean Pees needs to keep a look out too because Rex is probably never going to get a HC job again which might lend to him coming back to B'more with Ed Reed as his secondary coach.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

12 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

It honestly was not Marty IMO. Flacco is to blame for the lack of audibles when the defense knows exactly which play we are about to run. That starts in practice. That "Joe Cool" slogan also backfires at us. I like that he stays calm in tense situations but I would rather see a QB play with more enthusiasm and determination to win. That means calling audibles and being a vocal leader.

Also, the announcers in almost every game for us have all said the same thing over and over again......."Nobody is getting open". Our receivers having a hard time getting open has also been killing this offense.

I still think that as long as Harbaugh is here this team will continue to be mediocre at best. I said back in 2012 that he took the credit from Ray Lewis. People forget that Harbaugh came the same offseason that we drafted Flacco & Ray Rice. Ray Rice who was the sole reason for us even being in the playoffs. Which I still cannot forgive Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti for. I mean, these guys literally played God by choosing to not give Rice a second chance. But thats another topic. Regardless, all this team needed was a good QB and we got that with Flacco, and also got a beam of light with Ray Rice. Ray Lewis was already the vocal leader, heart & soul, and coach of this team. Harbaugh was just a guy filling in the hole of "Head Coach". Get harbaugh outta here, but do not just bring in any guy. We either need Ray Lewis as HC or an old school, hard nosed, smash mouth football kind of Head Coach. In all serious, if I were Ozzie I would get on the phone and see if Ray is interested in a coaching position.

Guess you missed Yanda's comment about RUNNING THE PLAY THAT IS CALLED!!!  He is not the first player to say this people!!! 

[OUravensfan]

2 hours ago, law215 said:

Marty should not return in any capacity. Joe has not develop since his been his QB coach and the offense stinks.

Yanda's response makes me believe no one, including himself, challenges the coaches on anything.

I hope so too, when's the likely timeframe of when we'll know?

51 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Harbaughs been HC for 9 years 1 Division title the first job of head coach win your Division 1 in 9 not very good that's the bottom line

He won 2, 2011 and 2012, also went 12-4 in 2010. Not many coaches have 10 playoff wins, Marvin Lewis has more division titles is he better?

[The Mom Gene]

Ray Lewis used to get defensive coordinators head coaching jobs and Joe Flacco now get offensive coordinators pink slips.....with that being said it will be funny to see what OC we hire. I am interested to see if they go after Mike McCoy or Anthony Lynn? Dean Pees needs to keep a look out too because Rex is probably never going to get a HC job again which might lend to him coming back to B'more with Ed Reed as his secondary coach.

Really??? OK. Not seeing Rex coming back here at all. Leslie Frazier is our secondary's coach, and has drastically improved those guys. I think the article says that they don't believe we are changing OC's at all. It appears that all of the Monday Morning GM's have their opinions as usual, but the real front office has others. But I'm just guessing that the folks here just seem to know more than they do.