[News] Joe Flacco, Dennis Pitta Don't Foresee Change At Offensive Coordinator

[Ravensfansince03]

It honestly was not Marty IMO. Flacco is to blame for the lack of audibles when the defense knows exactly which play we are about to run. That starts in practice. That "Joe Cool" slogan also backfires at us. I like that he stays calm in tense situations but I would rather see a QB play with more enthusiasm and determination to win. That means calling audibles and being a vocal leader.

Also, the announcers in almost every game for us have all said the same thing over and over again......."Nobody is getting open". Our receivers having a hard time getting open has also been killing this offense.

I still think that as long as Harbaugh is here this team will continue to be mediocre at best. I said back in 2012 that he took the credit from Ray Lewis. People forget that Harbaugh came the same offseason that we drafted Flacco & Ray Rice. Ray Rice who was the sole reason for us even being in the playoffs. Which I still cannot forgive Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti for. I mean, these guys literally played God by choosing to not give Rice a second chance. But thats another topic. Regardless, all this team needed was a good QB and we got that with Flacco, and also got a beam of light with Ray Rice. Ray Lewis was already the vocal leader, heart & soul, and coach of this team. Harbaugh was just a guy filling in the hole of "Head Coach". Get harbaugh outta here, but do not just bring in any guy. We either need Ray Lewis as HC or an old school, hard nosed, smash mouth football kind of Head Coach. In all serious, if I were Ozzie I would get on the phone and see if Ray is interested in a coaching position.

[Grapple Raven]

27 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

For everyone that is panning Ozzie, I really think you need to look at turnover in the scouting staff. It has been plundered of all the most valuable talent, so much so that it may have compromised the ability of Ozzie to get it right. I think that this would be an awesome research article for Hensley or Zerbiac to tackle.

I agree Minionhunter.  Also, I think Harbs has increasingly had more influence over the draft in the last five yrs or so, which may point to the ineffectiveness of our latest draft classes.

I posted this in another thread that I think is worth taking a second look:

"I posed the question I did earlier in the thread about how much impact Harbs actually has in the overall draft process.  When I was reading and researching to find out as much as I could about how our draft strategy works and who is the most influential I went back as far as I could so that I could see if there had been any major trends and/or shifts in our draft strategy, especially since Harbs arrived to see if our recent down trend in the last five years or so could be traced to Harbs' influence.  Personally, I thought there had been and from what I read it would seem to indicate that this could be possible.

Here are some of the better sources I read that can give you good insight into our draft process and how it has evolved through the years, and you and others can draw your own conclusions:

2009:  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/sports/football/19ravens.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

2013:  http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-baltimore-consistent-winning/

2013:  http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000212663/printable/whos-ireallyi-in-charge-afc-north-hierarchies-run-the-gamut

2016:  http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/02/01/lombardis-way/a-shift-in-the-ravens-war-room/

2016:  http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/10/18/lombardis-way/the-heat-is-on-for-harbaugh/

Here are two good articles that let you know about Harbs' philosophies:

2014:  http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/super-bowl-winning-coach-makes-the-most-of-each-moment

2016:  http://www.ndinsider.com/football/notebook-harry-hiestand-s-influence-pays-draft-dividends/article_f86a17c2-0e81-11e6-b260-a3f63e6e91f8.html

These articles have a lot of similarities and some differences, but they do give a good overall impression as to the draft strategy.  Some folks may be familiar with the sources already, but when read all together they draw a definitive picture. The article from the National Catholic Register which was a Q & A, pretty much sums up Harbs' approach to how he views the draft as evidenced by the quotes below:

"After you got back from Afghanistan, you went to the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Is the combine really necessary? Do you get to learn things about players that you didn’t already know?

At the combine, the scouts are mostly rounding out their knowledge of players they’ve already studied a lot. However, coaches are a different story, since we are just beginning the evaluation process on this draft class. Coaches can learn a great deal by seeing the players up close at the combine. We start with that information and build on it up until the draft in May.

"You didn’t need to look for any kickers, did you?

No, certainly not. Justin Tucker is a tremendous kicker and young man. He exemplifies what we look for in players. There’s the obvious necessity of physical strength and skills, but above and beyond those, we look for mental characteristics. Those can make or break a draft pick. Work ethic, decision-making skills and interest in team unity are some of the things that go to make up what we call that “football intelligence.” This outweighs physical qualities 3 to 1."

Very interesting and insightful as to what he values most in a player, I'd say!

I have more questions than answers, lol.   If Ozzie has been so successful with the "right player, right price" mantra that emphasizes the "evaluating and valuing players" strategy so well over his tenure as the Ravens GM, as his drafting and free agency record suggests, then why the dip in the draft over the last five yrs. give or take?  The outlier to that question could point to Harbs.  Once Harbs' won a SB  in accordance with his record, did he feel that gave him more leverage to step in and influence the draft?  If Biscotti wanted the scouts and coaches to work together, unlike they didn't do well under Billick, could it be that Harbs gets the ear of Biscotti more than Ozzie? 

Obviously, something isn't working because this team lacks an identity imho...are we a defensive team or an offensive team...and if offense is it run or pass?  Whatever the issues are, how can you stack a draft board when you don't have a clear vision of what you want the team to be? I would tend to agree with you ellicottraven, let the scouts scout and the coaches coach! This would only be a problem if the coach can't coach the team that is drafted, lol."

[Black&purple#55]

first off we need to get rid of Joe Flacco for saying that, Flacco only good at being a family man. He does not care if we win or loose, you can see that from his body language. I don't blame him I blame the FO for giving him that big contract and now we have to deal with it like the NO Saints.

[Ugly Ball]

Now that's a damn shame !
We get a couple fast receivers and they give up on the long ball !
We get a couple very promising running backs and they give up on the run !
All the Dinking and dunking to get us to less than the 1st down marker, hasn't worked either ! Flacco is no Tom Brady !
I mean what's Joe in his 8th year and still throwing off his back foot ?

[RavenFan1996]

Of course JF and DP dont see any change coming. Sundays game was all about setting franchise marks and getting stats. This team has abandon the running game way to much. Flacco is not an elite Qb to be having 40+ attempts per game he shines at 25 to 30 with the running backs get 20+ carriers to setup play action and bootlegs but enough on him. I have said this for years and will say it again JH is a terrible at challenges,decisions,game planning and half time adjustments. We had players like Q,Ray and Ed helping with adjustments that made Harbaugh look good. Those players are gone and goes to show JH looks lost as a head coach. Kub helped while he was here 2 Hc was better than 1 mentality was the key for that 1 season. IMO we need to replace both coordinators and possible the HC. Pees has always been terrible and for the top 5 defense we had look at our opponents offense over a 16 game season the ones that had a legit offenses schooled our so call top 5 defense. I really hope Steve looks at all these comments from fans and the media and make the right decision to move this once winning franchise back to top level

[purpledown]

Looks like no changes , the question is will Harbaugh still have his job when we are having this same discussion next year? No playoffs again.

[ellicottraven]

What does having a top 5 defense actually mean if we can't hold a lead and allow a TD with 1 min left in a game? Nada in my opinion. This has happened frequently over the past month. So, I say clean house of both coordinators ASAP and if Harbs doesn't agree with it, fire him too and bring a strong willed HC that will knock some sense into his players and hold them accountable for consistent play. Nobody deserves a huge pay day if they can't be consistent at what they do. They should be held accountable for their play game in and game out. No free passes anymore. If Flacco isn't playing smart or well, sit him in favor of the back up moving forward. Winning is key.

[RavenFan1996]

It honestly was not Marty IMO. Flacco is to blame for the lack of audibles when the defense knows exactly which play we are about to run. That starts in practice. That "Joe Cool" slogan also backfires at us. I like that he stays calm in tense situations but I would rather see a QB play with more enthusiasm and determination to win. That means calling audibles and being a vocal leader.

Also, the announcers in almost every game for us have all said the same thing over and over again......."Nobody is getting open". Our receivers having a hard time getting open has also been killing this offense.

I still think that as long as Harbaugh is here this team will continue to be mediocre at best. I said back in 2012 that he took the credit from Ray Lewis. People forget that Harbaugh came the same offseason that we drafted Flacco & Ray Rice. Ray Rice who was the sole reason for us even being in the playoffs. Which I still cannot forgive Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti for. I mean, these guys literally played God by choosing to not give Rice a second chance. But thats another topic. Regardless, all this team needed was a good QB and we got that with Flacco, and also got a beam of light with Ray Rice. Ray Lewis was already the vocal leader, heart & soul, and coach of this team. Harbaugh was just a guy filling in the hole of "Head Coach". Get harbaugh outta here, but do not just bring in any guy. We either need Ray Lewis as HC or an old school, hard nosed, smash mouth football kind of Head Coach. In all serious, if I were Ozzie I would get on the phone and see if Ray is interested in a coaching position.

I cant agree more with everything you said. We need a hard nose leader for a Head Coach. I also believe Eric Decosta is influencing the draft these last several years and the draft has been mediocre. A few years ago i read were Ozzie was grooming Eric for his job and was giving him more duties.Seems far to often we bring in key players via free agency and if they are liked by JH and play his way they stay but any voice and they are gone Ie Pollard,Q,Cory Graham,cary williams heck we even let Ed Reed leave the building i could go on and i know some really good players left for more money but seems like if you dont play Jh rules they let you go.

[purpledown]

  43 minutes ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

It honestly was not Marty IMO. Flacco is to blame for the lack of audibles when the defense knows exactly which play we are about to run. That starts in practice. That "Joe Cool" slogan also backfires at us. I like that he stays calm in tense situations but I would rather see a QB play with more enthusiasm and determination to win. That means calling audibles and being a vocal leader.

Also, the announcers in almost every game for us have all said the same thing over and over again......."Nobody is getting open". Our receivers having a hard time getting open has also been killing this offense.

I still think that as long as Harbaugh is here this team will continue to be mediocre at best. I said back in 2012 that he took the credit from Ray Lewis. People forget that Harbaugh came the same offseason that we drafted Flacco & Ray Rice. Ray Rice who was the sole reason for us even being in the playoffs. Which I still cannot forgive Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti for. I mean, these guys literally played God by choosing to not give Rice a second chance. But thats another topic. Regardless, all this team needed was a good QB and we got that with Flacco, and also got a beam of light with Ray Rice. Ray Lewis was already the vocal leader, heart & soul, and coach of this team. Harbaugh was just a guy filling in the hole of "Head Coach". Get harbaugh outta here, but do not just bring in any guy. We either need Ray Lewis as HC or an old school, hard nosed, smash mouth football kind of Head Coach. In all serious, if I were Ozzie I would get on the phone and see if Ray is interested in a coaching position.

I cant agree more with everything you said. We need a hard nose leader for a Head Coach. I also believe Eric Decosta is influencing the draft these last several years and the draft has been mediocre. A few years ago i read were Ozzie was grooming Eric for his job and was giving him more duties.Seems far to often we bring in key players via free agency and if they are liked by JH and play his way they stay but any voice and they are gone Ie Pollard,Q,Cory Graham,cary williams heck we even let Ed Reed leave the building i could go on and i know some really good players left for more money but seems like if you dont play Jh rules they let you go.

agree, i wonder if Harbaugh has one of those Marvin Lewis contracts, where you can lose as much as you want as long as the owner likes you.

[purpledown]

first off we need to get rid of Joe Flacco for saying that, Flacco only good at being a family man. He does not care if we win or loose, you can see that from his body language. I don't blame him I blame the FO for giving him that big contract and now we have to deal with it like the NO Saints.

very true, Flacco has his money thats really all he cares about.

[n#7]

Fortunately Joe or Dennis don't make that decision. It seems to be evident there needs to be some changes from the FO on down. The only one who should be secure is Harbs with the clear understanding that the Asst's are to be chosen on the ability to to get the job done and not on likability or how comfortable the HC may feel with them.

Edited January 3 by n#7
Typo!

[n#7]

3 minutes ago, n#7 said:

Fortunately Joe or Dennis don't make that decision. It seems to be evident there needs to be some changes from the FO on down. The only one who should be secure is Harbs with the clear understanding that the Asst's are to be chosen on the ability to to get the job done and not on likability or how comfortable the HC may feel with them.

That the Asst's are to be chosen.

Edited January 3 by n#7

[Wildwest Raven]

OMG!!! They are happy with an Offense that only shows up for a half, that refuses to RUN even at the goal line and a QB that can't read a Defense after 9 years??!!...Well....Tucker will be setting more records for points scored, if that's an upside.

[BoominRaven]

Yaaaaay more mediocrity and 50 pass games

[Crusader]

  48 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

For everyone that is panning Ozzie, I really think you need to look at turnover in the scouting staff. It has been plundered of all the most valuable talent, so much so that it may have compromised the ability of Ozzie to get it right. I think that this would be an awesome research article for Hensley or Zerbiac to tackle.

I agree Minionhunter.  Also, I think Harbs has increasingly had more influence over the draft in the last five yrs or so, which may point to the ineffectiveness of our latest draft classes.

I posted this in another thread that I think is worth taking a second look:

"I posed the question I did earlier in the thread about how much impact Harbs actually has in the overall draft process.  When I was reading and researching to find out as much as I could about how our draft strategy works and who is the most influential I went back as far as I could so that I could see if there had been any major trends and/or shifts in our draft strategy, especially since Harbs arrived to see if our recent down trend in the last five years or so could be traced to Harbs' influence.  Personally, I thought there had been and from what I read it would seem to indicate that this could be possible.

Here are some of the better sources I read that can give you good insight into our draft process and how it has evolved through the years, and you and others can draw your own conclusions:

2009:  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/sports/football/19ravens.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

2013:  http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-baltimore-consistent-winning/

2013:  http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000212663/printable/whos-ireallyi-in-charge-afc-north-hierarchies-run-the-gamut

2016:  http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/02/01/lombardis-way/a-shift-in-the-ravens-war-room/

2016:  http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/10/18/lombardis-way/the-heat-is-on-for-harbaugh/

Here are two good articles that let you know about Harbs' philosophies:

2014:  http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/super-bowl-winning-coach-makes-the-most-of-each-moment

2016:  http://www.ndinsider.com/football/notebook-harry-hiestand-s-influence-pays-draft-dividends/article_f86a17c2-0e81-11e6-b260-a3f63e6e91f8.html

These articles have a lot of similarities and some differences, but they do give a good overall impression as to the draft strategy.  Some folks may be familiar with the sources already, but when read all together they draw a definitive picture. The article from the National Catholic Register which was a Q & A, pretty much sums up Harbs' approach to how he views the draft as evidenced by the quotes below:

"After you got back from Afghanistan, you went to the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Is the combine really necessary? Do you get to learn things about players that you didn’t already know?

At the combine, the scouts are mostly rounding out their knowledge of players they’ve already studied a lot. However, coaches are a different story, since we are just beginning the evaluation process on this draft class. Coaches can learn a great deal by seeing the players up close at the combine. We start with that information and build on it up until the draft in May.

"You didn’t need to look for any kickers, did you?

No, certainly not. Justin Tucker is a tremendous kicker and young man. He exemplifies what we look for in players. There’s the obvious necessity of physical strength and skills, but above and beyond those, we look for mental characteristics. Those can make or break a draft pick. Work ethic, decision-making skills and interest in team unity are some of the things that go to make up what we call that “football intelligence.” This outweighs physical qualities 3 to 1."

Very interesting and insightful as to what he values most in a player, I'd say!

I have more questions than answers, lol.   If Ozzie has been so successful with the "right player, right price" mantra that emphasizes the "evaluating and valuing players" strategy so well over his tenure as the Ravens GM, as his drafting and free agency record suggests, then why the dip in the draft over the last five yrs. give or take?  The outlier to that question could point to Harbs.  Once Harbs' won a SB  in accordance with his record, did he feel that gave him more leverage to step in and influence the draft?  If Biscotti wanted the scouts and coaches to work together, unlike they didn't do well under Billick, could it be that Harbs gets the ear of Biscotti more than Ozzie? 

Obviously, something isn't working because this team lacks an identity imho...are we a defensive team or an offensive team...and if offense is it run or pass?  Whatever the issues are, how can you stack a draft board when you don't have a clear vision of what you want the team to be? I would tend to agree with you ellicottraven, let the scouts scout and the coaches coach! This would only be a problem if the coach can't coach the team that is drafted, lol."

Something has changed and it put the Ravens future in serious trouble. Ravens have gone 8-8 against some bad divisions and caught Pitts at the right time (beat up and injured) to win but when "rubber meets the road" Pitts scores three touchdowns in 4th and Bengals win without their best players. If you can believe the hype the Ravens are close go watch the "State of the Ravens" from 2013, 2014, and 2015

[Glen1024]

Never thought I'd see and hear this from my ravens, boy has mediocrity settled in there over at the castle

[Minionhunter]

  1 hour ago, Minionhunter said:

  2 hours ago, mybuddymac said:

  2 hours ago, designermaryland said:

I agree with Minionhunter. I actually can believe this is the reaction because of the lack of football IQ by both Joe and Harbs. They are both clueless. If they feel offensive production of 20 TD's the entire season is adequate, no offensive rhythm the entire year and horrific ineffectiveness, it is even more disturbing than the on-field product. It proves they have no self awareness of their performance and are severely disillusioned that they had a good year. This is completely deserving of a house cleaning including Harbaugh, Marty M., Pees, and perhaps Ozzie. If they are satisfied with being in the bottom tier of the league, they should be immediately relieved of their positions. Flacco is ripe for a trade in the offseason too.

I should say that first and foremost we ARE NOT in the bottom tier of the league. Sitting at 8-8 with a few games we SHOULD have won. Now granted I'll agree with you that Coaching infuriated me in the games, but cutting Harbaugh at this junction in time is not the answer. With that being said I'm all for putting our current OC on the chopping block. Give Joe control of the 2-minute drill, that's why he's so slow getting to the line, he's waiting for the play call. Keep Pees for shore, Defense played well this year, maybe not down the stretch but overall they played well. Finally we have Ozzie, I'm so conflicted here because a large part of me loves him too much to call for him being relieved of duty. He's failed on quite a few early picks recently, I love, love, love, Ronnie Stanley but when I heard the names of our 2nd and 3rd rounder's I was scratching my head. CJ and Stanley seem to be our only reliable 1st rounder's since drafting Joe back almost a decade ago. I think Ozzie is still finding talent in the later rounds the only problem being is that we can never retain these players once they start shining. So overall I think the positives on keeping Ozzie far outweigh the negatives. Could be worst....we could be Cleveland (A true "bottom tier" team)

For everyone that is panning Ozzie, I really think you need to look at turnover in the scouting staff. It has been plundered of all the most valuable talent, so much so that it may have compromised the ability of Ozzie to get it right. I think that this would be an awesome research article for Hensley or Zerbiac to tackle.

Most valuable talent? They lost Joe Douglas to the Bears last year, who went to the Eagles this year and took Andy Weidl with him. The Bears draft pick when Douglas was there - WR Kevin White who's seen the field less than Perriman despite being drafted 7th OVERALL. What did he do in Philly this year? Traded 2 x 1st Round picks, 2nd Round pick, 3rd Round pick to move up 6 spots to draft Wentz. Wentz looked lost at the end of the season against good teams and threw 16 TDs vs 14 INTS. Not exactly the guy I trade away my two entire drafts for.

In fact, you can make a case based of the quality of this draft, that maybe those guys were the problem and letting them walk was the best move.

I'm talking about like 5or 6 years ago. The guy who runs the senior bowl was a Ravens scout, and I thought he took a couple people with him and there were several scouts scooped up by other organizations 3-4 years ago. After that I lost track. That's also why I was hoping someone would do an article on the topic.

I could be wrong, but I thought we had been pillaged for some time and were starting to recover.

Still doesn't explain why we passed on spence for KC. After that fight in the first preseason scrimmage where Pitta broke his hand, he never looked right.

[Minionhunter]

  1 hour ago, Minionhunter said:

For everyone that is panning Ozzie, I really think you need to look at turnover in the scouting staff. It has been plundered of all the most valuable talent, so much so that it may have compromised the ability of Ozzie to get it right. I think that this would be an awesome research article for Hensley or Zerbiac to tackle.

I agree Minionhunter.  Also, I think Harbs has increasingly had more influence over the draft in the last five yrs or so, which may point to the ineffectiveness of our latest draft classes.

I posted this in another thread that I think is worth taking a second look:

"I posed the question I did earlier in the thread about how much impact Harbs actually has in the overall draft process.  When I was reading and researching to find out as much as I could about how our draft strategy works and who is the most influential I went back as far as I could so that I could see if there had been any major trends and/or shifts in our draft strategy, especially since Harbs arrived to see if our recent down trend in the last five years or so could be traced to Harbs' influence.  Personally, I thought there had been and from what I read it would seem to indicate that this could be possible.

Here are some of the better sources I read that can give you good insight into our draft process and how it has evolved through the years, and you and others can draw your own conclusions:

2009:  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/sports/football/19ravens.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

2013:  http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-baltimore-consistent-winning/

2013:  http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000212663/printable/whos-ireallyi-in-charge-afc-north-hierarchies-run-the-gamut

2016:  http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/02/01/lombardis-way/a-shift-in-the-ravens-war-room/

2016:  http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/10/18/lombardis-way/the-heat-is-on-for-harbaugh/

Here are two good articles that let you know about Harbs' philosophies:

2014:  http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/super-bowl-winning-coach-makes-the-most-of-each-moment

2016:  http://www.ndinsider.com/football/notebook-harry-hiestand-s-influence-pays-draft-dividends/article_f86a17c2-0e81-11e6-b260-a3f63e6e91f8.html

These articles have a lot of similarities and some differences, but they do give a good overall impression as to the draft strategy.  Some folks may be familiar with the sources already, but when read all together they draw a definitive picture. The article from the National Catholic Register which was a Q & A, pretty much sums up Harbs' approach to how he views the draft as evidenced by the quotes below:

"After you got back from Afghanistan, you went to the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Is the combine really necessary? Do you get to learn things about players that you didn’t already know?

At the combine, the scouts are mostly rounding out their knowledge of players they’ve already studied a lot. However, coaches are a different story, since we are just beginning the evaluation process on this draft class. Coaches can learn a great deal by seeing the players up close at the combine. We start with that information and build on it up until the draft in May.

"You didn’t need to look for any kickers, did you?

No, certainly not. Justin Tucker is a tremendous kicker and young man. He exemplifies what we look for in players. There’s the obvious necessity of physical strength and skills, but above and beyond those, we look for mental characteristics. Those can make or break a draft pick. Work ethic, decision-making skills and interest in team unity are some of the things that go to make up what we call that “football intelligence.” This outweighs physical qualities 3 to 1."

Very interesting and insightful as to what he values most in a player, I'd say!

I have more questions than answers, lol.   If Ozzie has been so successful with the "right player, right price" mantra that emphasizes the "evaluating and valuing players" strategy so well over his tenure as the Ravens GM, as his drafting and free agency record suggests, then why the dip in the draft over the last five yrs. give or take?  The outlier to that question could point to Harbs.  Once Harbs' won a SB  in accordance with his record, did he feel that gave him more leverage to step in and influence the draft?  If Biscotti wanted the scouts and coaches to work together, unlike they didn't do well under Billick, could it be that Harbs gets the ear of Biscotti more than Ozzie? 

Obviously, something isn't working because this team lacks an identity imho...are we a defensive team or an offensive team...and if offense is it run or pass?  Whatever the issues are, how can you stack a draft board when you don't have a clear vision of what you want the team to be? I would tend to agree with you ellicottraven, let the scouts scout and the coaches coach! This would only be a problem if the coach can't coach the team that is drafted, lol."

That is some nice work Grapple. My wonder on that is the influence Harbs has over Ozzie. IMHO Ozzie calls the shots, no one tells him what to do, but he can be talked up or down on someone and that goes back and forth with Harbs all the time.

I'm calming down about things, but I'm going to be extremely concerned if we don't change OC again. Marty is not the guy, not even close. If we don't get Rick and crew, we need to turn over every single rock to find the next guy. Be it from college or the pros there is someone who can fix this show and creatively adapt in game when needed.

[b93333]

We can just be grateful that our owner is more driven to put a winner on the field than these two.

[ellicottraven]

We can just be grateful that our owner is more driven to put a winner on the field than these two.

TBD but Amen for the thought....

[Wisdom]

43 minutes ago, b93333 said:

We can just be grateful that our owner is more driven to put a winner on the field than these two.

Yes! well said.

[ByTheBay]

I wouldn't get too worked up. It's entirely possible that Joe is out of the loop and they are definitely not running staffing decisions by Pitta. This comes up the day after the season ends and you think Flacco has any idea what's being discussed behind closed doors? John said every week "we need to run the ball more" Marc never did so they fired him. John continued to say "we need to run the ball more" marty never did. I think he is as good as gone but a well run business doesn't make rash decisions until there is a plan in place. They are making that plan  

[verified]

there should be a change but there wont be and who cares anymore we suck we cant win with these players and GM that keeps drafting small school trash that never amount to anything just so he can try and show his genious smh

[Rich McG]

When the Miami, Lions, Texans, Atlanta, Chiefs, and Raiders make the play-offs and the Ravens don't.....you bet there are going to be changes. Speed, a couple of top producers (in their prime), and football IQ should be at the top of the list.

[Crusader]

I wouldn't get too worked up. It's entirely possible that Joe is out of the loop and they are definitely not running staffing decisions by Pitta. This comes up the day after the season ends and you think Flacco has any idea what's being discussed behind closed doors? John said every week "we need to run the ball more" Marc never did so they fired him. John continued to say "we need to run the ball more" marty never did. I think he is as good as gone but a well run business doesn't make rash decisions until there is a plan in place. They are making that plan  

Marc was not fired for not running the ball that's ovious. Mary is Johns friend from the Eagles days Get it? . The three Amegios said run the ball last year at the State of Ravens. How that work out?

[hen826957]

Before we got a coordinator in 2015, we had a choice to get between Marc Trestman or Kyle Shanahan... boy that was a horrible mistake right there. All well. I believe they should hire a new offensive coordinator because l don't think Mornhinweg is gonna cut it. They should try to lean towards getting somebody like a Norv Turner who can give us some balance. Mornhinweg play call give us too many passing attempts in a game.

Edited January 3 by hen826957

[CaliRavenFan]

4 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Before we got a coordinator in 2015, we had a choice to get between Marc Trestman or Kyle Shanahan... boy that was a horrible mistake right there. All well. I believe they should hire a new offensive coordinator because l don't think Mornhinweg is gonna cut it. They should try to lean towards getting somebody like a Norv Turner who can give us some balance. Mornhinweg play call give us too many passing attempts in a game.

What do you think about Greg Roman? I loved watching all his different run schemes when he was the Niners OC.. I'm not getting my hopes up about any change because knowing Harbs he would promote Juan Castillo as the OC with his reasoning being he knows what kind of schemes we want to run. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I see Yanda made some comments here and out of anyone on the team on offense, people should be listening to him. It may not be his job to do or say certain things, but it is also not Joe's or Dennis'. I also seem to recall years ago when the team was in an offensive muck and tried to go too cute and pass all the time and on a third consecutive quick three and out on failed passes Jonathan Ogden of all people jumped up and down on the field, clearly ticked off, took his helmet off before he got to the sideline and started yelling at the coaches. The team started running the ball again.

I certainly hope to heck that this team gets a competent OC at the very least. The team prior to Kubiak being here was a strong power run team and it worked. Then Kubiak came in with a zone running scheme that worked for what we had then at running back (Forsett). The NFL changed the rules on the cut block and now you can't do it...and that's what the zone run really needs. Then we tried to turn into this West Coast team...I dunno what we were this season other than a mess. There was no real change between Trestman and Marty that I saw. Same stupid cutesy plays as if to show off how smart you are in making up a play rather than actually sticking with a play that actually works. How many formation and illegal procedure penalties do you need to keep getting on offense before you realize you can't pull off a four man shift very well?

We don't have a zone run o-line. We don't have a west coast QB or WR's..because you know, they actually need to work free on short routes. We have a power run line for the most part with a play action deep shot QB. It is nice to say you have a system, but if your parts don't fit it, it isn't going to work. Being a good OC isn't just bringing in your system, it is making the parts you have work to the best of your ability and scheming a game plan based on that. I saw zero evidence of this this year.

Wholesale changes to the offensive coaching staff at a minimum.

[hen826957]

6 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

What do you think about Greg Roman? I loved watching all his different run schemes when he was the Niners OC.. I'm not getting my hopes up about any change because knowing Harbs he would promote Juan Castillo as the OC with his reasoning being he knows what kind of schemes we want to run. 

Hmm... l'm not sure. Greg Roman did use to be the offensive line assistant for the Ravens in 2006-2007 so he knows this organization. Maybe might not be a bad choice. 

[Ravens_Flock]

Good lord. Good thing these guys aren't in charge, if they honestly think Marty should stick around. We never should have hired Tressman in the first place, and certainly shouldn't have promoted Marty.