[News] Ravens 2017 Draft Spot Finalized

[leziRav]

I think Leslie Frazier was brought in to take over D Pees. Also we will get a better OC. After, my opinion is to lower the cap hit on Flacco, Dumervill, J Smith contract and then sign Alshon Jeffery ( best WR for Flacco), bring back Juice, B.Williams, Zach Orr. Then in the draft get an elite pass rusher, shut down CB, a safety, an o-line G/C. Also we have do something with our TEs. We won t be able to carry them all in the team next year. Better get a draft pick/trade player for them than losing them. We have Pitta, Gilmore, Watson, Max, Waller, Boyle. We only need 4 really. Maybe trade Watson and Max. We get good value out of them.

[leziRav]

  1 hour ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

All those fans that wanted us to lose to have a earlier draft pick should now be happy. Hope it made their day.

I didnt want us to lose, especially being Smitty's last game but we deserved to lose that game. #5 knows that he isn't going anywhere no matter how bad he plays and its easy to see. I would love to see us trade up in the draft with our 3rd round comp pick but I can already see us trading down for more middle of the draft picks. 

Maybe we send like TEs Max and Watson and a 5th/6th rounder to Tennessee for their #5 pick. They have 2 first round picks and need Tight ends.

[PurpleReign3]

After looking at the draft order, I thought, this is the only time you see a #1 next to Cleveland. Imagine being a Browns fan. Trying to take some of the sting out of this season.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I think Leslie Frazier was brought in to take over D Pees. Also we will get a better OC. After, my opinion is to lower the cap hit on Flacco, Dumervill, J Smith contract and then sign Alshon Jeffery ( best WR for Flacco), bring back Juice, B.Williams, Zach Orr. Then in the draft get an elite pass rusher, shut down CB, a safety, an o-line G/C. Also we have do something with our TEs. We won t be able to carry them all in the team next year. Better get a draft pick/trade player for them than losing them. We have Pitta, Gilmore, Watson, Max, Waller, Boyle. We only need 4 really. Maybe trade Watson and Max. We get good value out of them.

" Then in the draft get an elite pass rusher, shut down CB, a safety, an o-line G/C."

Gee, is that all you want out of a draft? How about a true #1 WR and another future star franchise QB in the mix while we're at it?

Flacco just renegotiated his contract recently to lower his cap hit. To expect him to do it again so soon is a little silly. Dumervil could be cut to save cap space. Brandon Williams is going to ask for crazy money. We aren't trading Maxx Williams and who in the heck wants an old Ben Watson coming off of a blown out knee? The Ravens are likely to cut him/injury settlement him.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  42 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

  2 hours ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

All those fans that wanted us to lose to have a earlier draft pick should now be happy. Hope it made their day.

I didnt want us to lose, especially being Smitty's last game but we deserved to lose that game. #5 knows that he isn't going anywhere no matter how bad he plays and its easy to see. I would love to see us trade up in the draft with our 3rd round comp pick but I can already see us trading down for more middle of the draft picks. 

Maybe we send like TEs Max and Watson and a 5th/6th rounder to Tennessee for their #5 pick. They have 2 first round picks and need Tight ends.

You clearly do not understand the value of picks or I hope you are kidding? You want to trade our 2nd round pick from a couple seasons ago that has had injury problems, and then an OLD Ben Watson who spent all season in the IR with a blown out knee....and a 5th round pick for a 5th pick overall in the draft? You aren't getting a 1st round pick without giving up one first...so you start right there. Then to move up the spot the Ravens want to get to they'd probably need to tack on a 3rd round pick. The Titans would likely ask for a second round pick.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  6 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

While the Ravens did draft Flacco 18th overall, it was a strange road to that pick. They actually had the 8th overall pick, but then traded down to the 26th pick overall, then traded back up to 18 because Bisciotti thought Flacco wouldn't last to the 26th pick. Bisciotti also wanted to trade up from 8 to number two or one to draft Matt Ryan instead.

Matt Ryan has proven to be very good Regular Season QB.

Good QB on a horrible team (a team that literally had no defense for most of his time so far in Atlanta) or a average QB on a good team? There's your debate. I think Flacco would have done some amazing things with the weapons on offense Ryan has had to work with. At the same time, Matt Ryan with the Ravens defense probably would have won some Superbowls.

[leziRav]

  23 minutes ago, leziRav said:

  54 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

  2 hours ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

All those fans that wanted us to lose to have a earlier draft pick should now be happy. Hope it made their day.

I didnt want us to lose, especially being Smitty's last game but we deserved to lose that game. #5 knows that he isn't going anywhere no matter how bad he plays and its easy to see. I would love to see us trade up in the draft with our 3rd round comp pick but I can already see us trading down for more middle of the draft picks. 

Maybe we send like TEs Max and Watson and a 5th/6th rounder to Tennessee for their #5 pick. They have 2 first round picks and need Tight ends.

You clearly do not understand the value of picks or I hope you are kidding? You want to trade our 2nd round pick from a couple seasons ago that has had injury problems, and then an OLD Ben Watson who spent all season in the IR with a blown out knee....and a 5th round pick for a 5th pick overall in the draft? You aren't getting a 1st round pick without giving up one first...so you start right there. Then to move up the spot the Ravens want to get to they'd probably need to tack on a 3rd round pick. The Titans would likely ask for a second round pick.

I m talking about moving up. They will get our 16th pick, a young TEs, a proven TE and a 5th round. I said that because they need TEs and have 2 first rd pick. Why not

[leziRav]

  29 minutes ago, leziRav said:

I think Leslie Frazier was brought in to take over D Pees. Also we will get a better OC. After, my opinion is to lower the cap hit on Flacco, Dumervill, J Smith contract and then sign Alshon Jeffery ( best WR for Flacco), bring back Juice, B.Williams, Zach Orr. Then in the draft get an elite pass rusher, shut down CB, a safety, an o-line G/C. Also we have do something with our TEs. We won t be able to carry them all in the team next year. Better get a draft pick/trade player for them than losing them. We have Pitta, Gilmore, Watson, Max, Waller, Boyle. We only need 4 really. Maybe trade Watson and Max. We get good value out of them.

" Then in the draft get an elite pass rusher, shut down CB, a safety, an o-line G/C."

Gee, is that all you want out of a draft? How about a true #1 WR and another future star franchise QB in the mix while we're at it?

Flacco just renegotiated his contract recently to lower his cap hit. To expect him to do it again so soon is a little silly. Dumervil could be cut to save cap space. Brandon Williams is going to ask for crazy money. We aren't trading Maxx Williams and who in the heck wants an old Ben Watson coming off of a blown out knee? The Ravens are likely to cut him/injury settlement him.

Why not? How many Brady restructured his contrat for the team. If you sign Alshon Jeffery you don t need to draft a #1 WR. We can give an extension to Dumervill to lower his cap. We don t need to cut him.
All I am saying is feasible and will good for the Ravens. Why not trade Max when you have an healthy Pitta, Waller, Gilmore, Boyle. And if you can trade trade Watson why not? Why cut him?

[ravensnj]

3 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

We have bigger problems than that. We need more secondary players, and offensive line guys first.  How about a Center for starters. You can bring in the best WR's in the world, but if you can't block and give Joe the time for them to get open, then you're screwed anyway... Yesterday, nobody could get open. Even the Cincy announcers talked about it.

That's why we need a slot receiver. Someone quick that can get open immediately and is a threat to take it to the house on any touch. You would be amazed how one player can help to open up an entire offense. Our line with Stanley, Lewis, Wagner, and Yanda is quite formidable. We definitely need a Center, but that position can be had in the 3rd or 4th round, with a comp pick. 

Tyreek Hill is a prime example.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

25 minutes ago, leziRav said:

I m talking about moving up. They will get our 16th pick, a young TEs, a proven TE and a 5th round. I said that because they need TEs and have 2 first rd pick. Why not

You never mentioned giving up a 1st round pick in your post. We're not trading Maxx Williams, nobody places that much value on Ben Watson, and a 5th round pick doesn't move the barometer.

[ravensnj]

3 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

No....  Not exactly...  You have guys like Perriman who is very fast, same with Wallace.  They are being double covered, as would most other WR's regardless. My point was that WR's can get seperation if given the time for the play to develop, and by that time the pocket has collapsed and Joe is under pressure, running for his life, and throwing off his back foot.  A very good example would be to watch a Dallas game.  They have the #1 line in the NFL right now.  Dak Prescott has 7 or 8 seconds every play.  Joe is lucky to get 2 or 3.  The announcers talked about all of the Joe Critics.. and how a guy like him is constantly under pressure and doesn't get the time he needs.  And he has been under pressure since 2012.  Most of his successful passes during the SB run were out to the right, because most of his pressure was on his left side back then.  Torrey even had a hard time getting open.  And that they had addressed it very well with Stanley.  I still believe their O-Line is the same as Dallas...  Look at the beginning of the season WITHOUT Br*dy.

The problem with throwing to Wallace and Perriman is that they are only targeted for bombs of 30 or more yards, That's Joe's favorite play and he sits back waiting for them to come open. He's usually under duress before he tries to find an outlet. So looking back, there he was all season long, either forcing the throw, throwing out of bounds, bouncing it or overthrowing it to a rb, or taking the sack. He may have thrown for 4000 yds, but, he is the king of 3 and outs.

Edited January 2 by ravensnj

[fluffy201]

Seems like Tavon Young played well (diamond in the ruff). Our O Line is still in bad shape, it says something when a 5th round rookie beats out Jenson and Urchell, and then Ducasse beats them out (whom most fans thought Jenson and Urchell would be our starters). Wouldn't mind another O Line man and running back in the fist and second rounds. Judon, Smith, and hopefully Correa can step up ( big disappointment with Correa). Def gotta build up that O Line, no run game and Flacco took too many hits. The Ravens have so many holes they can draft across the board, but we should protect our 120 mill investment and boost our run game.

[leziRav]

  4 hours ago, leziRav said:

I m talking about moving up. They will get our 16th pick, a young TEs, a proven TE and a 5th round. I said that because they need TEs and have 2 first rd pick. Why not

You never mentioned giving up a 1st round pick in your post. We're not trading Maxx Williams, nobody places that much value on Ben Watson, and a 5th round pick doesn't move the barometer.

We don t really need Max. Wouldn't you trade him for a top pass rusher or a top DB which is what the team need. We have Pitta and Waller for our passing TE and Boyle and Gilmore as blocking TE. And yes people will give value to Ben Watson. Did you see him when he was playing for the saints before we get him. I m looking at the Jimmy Graham trade now and if i were Ozzie, i ll be calling Titans, Vikings, Eagles GMs for trade. We need elite game changers not just regular good players

[CaliRavenFan]

4 hours ago, ravensnj said:

The problem with throwing to Wallace and Perriman is that they are only targeted for bombs of 30 or more yards, That's Joe's favorite play and he sits back waiting for them to come open. He's usually under duress before he tries to find an outlet. So looking back, there he was all season long, either forcing the throw, throwing out of bounds, bouncing it or overthrowing it to a rb, or taking the sack. He may have thrown for 4000 yds, but, he is the king of 3 and outs.

It looked to me this season that #5's favorite play was the 3 yard dump off.. You can't blame the protection because if you go back and watch the games #5 only looks towards one side of the field and it's whatever side Pitta is on.

[CaliRavenFan]

29 minutes ago, leziRav said:

We don t really need Max. Wouldn't you trade him for a top pass rusher or a top DB which is what the team need. We have Pitta and Waller for our passing TE and Boyle and Gilmore as blocking TE. And yes people will give value to Ben Watson. Did you see him when he was playing for the saints before we get him. I m looking at the Jimmy Graham trade now and if i were Ozzie, i ll be calling Titans, Vikings, Eagles GMs for trade. We need elite game changers not just regular good players

Everyone would love to trade a backup TE for a star player but it's just not gonna happen. I can see Waller moving back outside to WR and allowing us to keep a good young player. I don't see us bringing back Wallace because the increase in his contract and the fact that we have Perriman, Moore, Camp, Waller and whoever we pick up in the 4th round. We need Defense with our first 3 rounds, especially losing Brandon and being Sizzles last year.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 hours ago, leziRav said:

We don t really need Max. Wouldn't you trade him for a top pass rusher or a top DB which is what the team need. We have Pitta and Waller for our passing TE and Boyle and Gilmore as blocking TE. And yes people will give value to Ben Watson. Did you see him when he was playing for the saints before we get him. I m looking at the Jimmy Graham trade now and if i were Ozzie, i ll be calling Titans, Vikings, Eagles GMs for trade. We need elite game changers not just regular good players

So the guy we drafted in the second round to be the replacement for Dennis Pitta we suddenly don't need anymore? Would I personally trade him straight up for a top pass rusher or a top DB? Sure, in a heartbeat. The problem is that the Ravens won't do it and no team in their right mind would make that deal. Trades don't happen simply because you want them to. Other teams actually have to want what you've got.

No, nobody will give you value to trade for Ben Watson. He's old. He's coming off a severe knee injury, and has one year left on his contract that would cost us very little to just cut bait with and some other team could sign him on a less expensive contract if they wanted him...that's saying he's ready to even ready to play at the start of next season.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I will take the 16th spot. We can certainly draft a difference maker at that spot.

[Purple Hazard]

Seems like Tavon Young played well (diamond in the ruff). Our O Line is still in bad shape, it says something when a 5th round rookie beats out Jenson and Urchell, and then Ducasse beats them out (whom most fans thought Jenson and Urchell would be our starters). Wouldn't mind another O Line man and running back in the fist and second rounds. Judon, Smith, and hopefully Correa can step up ( big disappointment with Correa). Def gotta build up that O Line, no run game and Flacco took too many hits. The Ravens have so many holes they can draft across the board, but we should protect our 120 mill investment and boost our run game.

I think we don't need to invest another 1st rounder in an O lineman. You can get good guards or centers in later rounds, but you won't find top pass rush talent outside of the 1st round. Sure we need to do a better job up fornt but we can get that another way. Maybe through FA...

[leziRav]

  11 hours ago, leziRav said:

We don t really need Max. Wouldn't you trade him for a top pass rusher or a top DB which is what the team need. We have Pitta and Waller for our passing TE and Boyle and Gilmore as blocking TE. And yes people will give value to Ben Watson. Did you see him when he was playing for the saints before we get him. I m looking at the Jimmy Graham trade now and if i were Ozzie, i ll be calling Titans, Vikings, Eagles GMs for trade. We need elite game changers not just regular good players

So the guy we drafted in the second round to be the replacement for Dennis Pitta we suddenly don't need anymore? Would I personally trade him straight up for a top pass rusher or a top DB? Sure, in a heartbeat. The problem is that the Ravens won't do it and no team in their right mind would make that deal. Trades don't happen simply because you want them to. Other teams actually have to want what you've got.

No, nobody will give you value to trade for Ben Watson. He's old. He's coming off a severe knee injury, and has one year left on his contract that would cost us very little to just cut bait with and some other team could sign him on a less expensive contract if they wanted him...that's saying he's ready to even ready to play at the start of next season.

He was Pitta replacement in case Pitta could not play. After this year, Pitta can play another 5 years. He will just get better. Watson is not coming off Knee injury, he has achilles issue. We already know that old player can back from that injury and play ( SSS, Suggs, Dummervil). Also he has 2 more years on his contract. Who would not take the package Max&Watson. A young TE and a proven TE, that is value and security blanket. For us why have Max when we are not going to use him. We are not benching Pitta for him, plus Boyle and Gilmore are better blocking TEs than him.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

5 hours ago, leziRav said:

He was Pitta replacement in case Pitta could not play. After this year, Pitta can play another 5 years. He will just get better. Watson is not coming off Knee injury, he has achilles issue. We already know that old player can back from that injury and play ( SSS, Suggs, Dummervil). Also he has 2 more years on his contract. Who would not take the package Max&Watson. A young TE and a proven TE, that is value and security blanket. For us why have Max when we are not going to use him. We are not benching Pitta for him, plus Boyle and Gilmore are better blocking TEs than him.

You don't draft a guy in the 2nd round to be a place holder. He is the Ravens TE of the future (Maxx Williams). Pitta's time is done and if the Ravens bring him back it will be with the intention of him being the #2 TE behind Williams. That would have happened this season had Williams been healthy. Pitta is not going to get better with age, he's not fine wine. Oh, sorry, an old guy coming off of a shredded Achilles tendon is what you want...and he signed a two year deal last season meaning he's got one year left; which would be next season.

Despite all this and even if I concede all those points to you; which I don't, there is the whole notion of position value. Nobody is going to give you a premium pass rusher (which is a premier position in this league) for two tight ends, one of which is young and injury prone so far, and the other that is old and coming off a major injury. Even if they were both completely healthy, a TE is not as valued as a DE/OLB pass rusher. You can find decent tight ends in the 3rd and 4th rounds of the draft..Pitta himself was a 4th round pick.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

9 hours ago, Purple Hazard said:

I think we don't need to invest another 1st rounder in an O lineman. You can get good guards or centers in later rounds, but you won't find top pass rush talent outside of the 1st round. Sure we need to do a better job up fornt but we can get that another way. Maybe through FA...

I think the Ravens should break their mold and actually trade up higher in the 1st round for one of those "can't miss" type players at edge rusher if there is one in this draft or a shut down CB if there is one. We've got a lot of picks coming in later in the draft and our 2nd round choices haven't been so great lately. 1st and a 3rd pick to move up within the top 5 from 18th pick...I'd do that deal if that's what will get it done. If it is the absolute right player, I'd give up our 2nd instead of a 3rd. We need to get an impact premium player in this draft at the very top of it.

[ravensnj]

3 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

You don't draft a guy in the 2nd round to be a place holder. He is the Ravens TE of the future (Maxx Williams). Pitta's time is done and if the Ravens bring him back it will be with the intention of him being the #2 TE behind Williams. That would have happened this season had Williams been healthy. Pitta is not going to get better with age, he's not fine wine. Oh, sorry, an old guy coming off of a shredded Achilles tendon is what you want...and he signed a two year deal last season meaning he's got one year left; which would be next season.

Despite all this and even if I concede all those points to you; which I don't, there is the whole notion of position value. Nobody is going to give you a premium pass rusher (which is a premier position in this league) for two tight ends, one of which is young and injury prone so far, and the other that is old and coming off a major injury. Even if they were both completely healthy, a TE is not as valued as a DE/OLB pass rusher. You can find decent tight ends in the 3rd and 4th rounds of the draft..Pitta himself was a 4th round pick.

Your first sentence has been the Ravens downfall. We draft these guys that had shown well in college, but don't pan out for one reason or another in the NFL. Ozzie will continue to stick by his picks for years, most of the time until their rookie contract has expired, before finally casting them off. Guys like Elam, Arthur Brown, Sergio Kindle, Tandon Doss, Ed Dickson, Terrence Cody,  David Reed, Jah Reid, Asa Jackson, Demetrius Williams...yada. yada,yada...  We need to act quicker in identifying nonworking pieces and move on swiftly to get replacements.  

 

BTW, I believe Boyle is more of our future than Williams. 

Edited January 4 by ravensnj

[sizzlingdoom]

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[Halshayeji]

On January 2, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Drinkmore Beer said:

Ravens should trade their number two pick. It's always a guaranteed flop.

Some people are never gonna get sarcasm at its best. You sir, have my thumbs up lol

[mrc724]

  On ‎1‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 2:37 PM, The Mom Gene said:

We have bigger problems than that. We need more secondary players, and offensive line guys first.  How about a Center for starters. You can bring in the best WR's in the world, but if you can't block and give Joe the time for them to get open, then you're screwed anyway... Yesterday, nobody could get open. Even the Cincy announcers talked about it.

That's why we need a slot receiver. Someone quick that can get open immediately and is a threat to take it to the house on any touch. You would be amazed how one player can help to open up an entire offense. Our line with Stanley, Lewis, Wagner, and Yanda is quite formidable. We definitely need a Center, but that position can be had in the 3rd or 4th round, with a comp pick. 

Tyreek Hill is a prime example.

How did we miss on Hill, he had a character issue in HS, so what.