[News] Ravens 2017 Draft Spot Finalized

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The Ravens will have the No. 16 pick in the upcoming NFL Draft after finishing the season 8-8.

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[Drinkmore Beer]

Ravens should trade their number two pick. It's always a guaranteed flop.

[whobilly]

Ravens should trade their number two pick. It's always a guaranteed flop.

The #1 Picks have not provided that much either. 2009 Oher. 2010 Kindle. 2011 J Smith. 2012 Upshaw. 2013 Elam. 2014 Mosley (PLAYER) 2015. Perriman(????) 2016 Stanley(PLAYER)

[EdTheMythicalOne]

While the Ravens did draft Flacco 18th overall, it was a strange road to that pick. They actually had the 8th overall pick, but then traded down to the 26th pick overall, then traded back up to 18 because Bisciotti thought Flacco wouldn't last to the 26th pick. Bisciotti also wanted to trade up from 8 to number two or one to draft Matt Ryan instead.

[ravens4life86]

No.16 pick should be Elite Pass Rusher, Sizzle will be 35 coming off productive 8 sack season, but nobody else because injuries (Dumervil) or lack or elite talent put up equal or better numbers.
Ravens need Barnett,Harris,Williams, etc 1 of these new Von Miller,Sizzle type sack machines. I would say 2 of them and a top shelf Cb

[whobilly]

While the Ravens did draft Flacco 18th overall, it was a strange road to that pick. They actually had the 8th overall pick, but then traded down to the 26th pick overall, then traded back up to 18 because Bisciotti thought Flacco wouldn't last to the 26th pick. Bisciotti also wanted to trade up from 8 to number two or one to draft Matt Ryan instead.

Matt Ryan has proven to be very good Regular Season QB.

[ravens4life86]

Rnd 1 Elite Pass Rusher, Barnett,Harris,Williams etc
Rnd 2 Pass Rush McKinley, Fields, D.Walker, etc
Rnd 3 CB Budda Baker, K.King, , etc
Rnd 3

[Steve32]

  2 hours ago, Drinkmore Beer said:

Ravens should trade their number two pick. It's always a guaranteed flop.

The #1 Picks have not provided that much either. 2009 Oher. 2010 Kindle. 2011 J Smith. 2012 Upshaw. 2013 Elam. 2014 Mosley (PLAYER) 2015. Perriman(????) 2016 Stanley(PLAYER)

Kindle was Round 2, Upshaw was not a #1 either.

[The Greek]

comp picks can be traded now. not sure how many we will get but osemele should bring us a 3rd.

[GMAC]

Can we hire the Steelers front office as consultants to help us draft a WR? Looks like they found another one with that Ayers kid.

[law215]

Problems with the Ravens

1. Harbs

Hire coordinators that are friends. Does not appear to have influence over play-calling or scheme. Can’t have a head coach that can not influence the game plan. The result is a revolving door of coordinators. Ravens hire former coaches because Harbs can’t teach young coordinators that would be on the staff for a long period of time.

Almost every week he talks about running the football, CBs having bad eyes/technique, being disciplined, vague clichés like ‘play winning football’.

Yet what you see on the field is Joe passing the too much, CB with the eyes in the backfield, stupid penalties, lack of urgency. I don’t think the players or coordinators listen to him or fear him.

You can’t pay everybody, so a coach must develop young players. Ravens rely on old guys to be starters way too much. That's why the can not sustain high level of play the last few season.

If the talent was that bad, they would not be in so many close games. It’s play calling and poor execution. That is the head coaches responsibility to control.

2. Joe Flacco
I have defended Flacco for years. Many fans stated his contract would handicap the Ravens and they were right.

Because of the contract, FO could not bring in or retain top talent. Flacco can not carry the offense. He needs a run game, o-line, and a receiver like Boldin that’s open even when he is covered. He needs an OC to call the plays and whisper in the head phones when to change the play. He need a QB coach to maintain his mechanics

After 9 years and $120 M, that’s one player with a lot of needs. A guy you paid to be a solution, but is often a problem. His pick yesterday was embarrassing.

3. OZ/DeCosta. Hortiz
The evaluation from scouts and drafting has been terrible for years. Even OZ stated that much. Ravens have need playmakers on both sides of the balls, yet that continue to draft DT,DE, and ILBs. Drafting receivers that can’t catch.

They need a new scouting department even if it means paying more to steal from another team.

[The Greek]

Can we hire the Steelers front office as consultants to help us draft a WR? Looks like they found another one with that Ayers kid.

giants do a nice job of drafting them as well. i am holding out hope that perriman and chris moore take the next step and that camponaro stays pretty healthy for the most part.

[ellicottraven]

Problems with the Ravens

1. Harbs

Hire coordinators that are friends. Does not appear to have influence over play-calling or scheme. Can’t have a head coach that can not influence the game plan. The result is a revolving door of coordinators. Ravens hire former coaches because Harbs can’t teach young coordinators that would be on the staff for a long period of time.

Almost every week he talks about running the football, CBs having bad eyes/technique, being disciplined, vague clichés like ‘play winning football’.

Yet what you see on the field is Joe passing the too much, CB with the eyes in the backfield, stupid penalties, lack of urgency. I don’t think the players or coordinators listen to him or fear him.

You can’t pay everybody, so a coach must develop young players. Ravens rely on old guys to be starters way too much. That's why the can not sustain high level of play the last few season.

If the talent was that bad, they would not be in so many close games. It’s play calling and poor execution. That is the head coaches responsibility to control.

2. Joe Flacco
I have defended Flacco for years. Many fans stated his contract would handicap the Ravens and they were right.

Because of the contract, FO could not bring in or retain top talent. Flacco can not carry the offense. He needs a run game, o-line, and a receiver like Boldin that’s open even when he is covered. He needs an OC to call the plays and whisper in the head phones when to change the play. He need a QB coach to maintain his mechanics

After 9 years and $120 M, that’s one player with a lot of needs. A guy you paid to be a solution, but is often a problem. His pick yesterday was embarrassing.

3. OZ/DeCosta. Hortiz
The evaluation from scouts and drafting has been terrible for years. Even OZ stated that much. Ravens have need playmakers on both sides of the balls, yet that continue to draft DT,DE, and ILBs. Drafting receivers that can’t catch.

They need a new scouting department even if it means paying more to steal from another team.

Agree strongly with #1, somewhat with #2 but less with #3. I think the 3 you mentioned aren't actual scouts but the guys that make the decisions on stacking the board with the help of scouts. Our scouting department has been poached extensively and all we've done is promoted from within to fill those vacancies. We need to start poaching great scouts from other teams as well and once that happens, we'll be good with the front office trio.

[The Mom Gene]

1 hour ago, GMAC said:

Can we hire the Steelers front office as consultants to help us draft a WR? Looks like they found another one with that Ayers kid.

We have bigger problems than that. We need more secondary players, and offensive line guys first.  How about a Center for starters. You can bring in the best WR's in the world, but if you can't block and give Joe the time for them to get open, then you're screwed anyway... Yesterday, nobody could get open. Even the Cincy announcers talked about it.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Problems with the Ravens

1. Harbs

Hire coordinators that are friends. Does not appear to have influence over play-calling or scheme. Can’t have a head coach that can not influence the game plan. The result is a revolving door of coordinators. Ravens hire former coaches because Harbs can’t teach young coordinators that would be on the staff for a long period of time.

Almost every week he talks about running the football, CBs having bad eyes/technique, being disciplined, vague clichés like ‘play winning football’.

Yet what you see on the field is Joe passing the too much, CB with the eyes in the backfield, stupid penalties, lack of urgency. I don’t think the players or coordinators listen to him or fear him.

You can’t pay everybody, so a coach must develop young players. Ravens rely on old guys to be starters way too much. That's why the can not sustain high level of play the last few season.

If the talent was that bad, they would not be in so many close games. It’s play calling and poor execution. That is the head coaches responsibility to control.

2. Joe Flacco
I have defended Flacco for years. Many fans stated his contract would handicap the Ravens and they were right.

Because of the contract, FO could not bring in or retain top talent. Flacco can not carry the offense. He needs a run game, o-line, and a receiver like Boldin that’s open even when he is covered. He needs an OC to call the plays and whisper in the head phones when to change the play. He need a QB coach to maintain his mechanics

After 9 years and $120 M, that’s one player with a lot of needs. A guy you paid to be a solution, but is often a problem. His pick yesterday was embarrassing.

3. OZ/DeCosta. Hortiz
The evaluation from scouts and drafting has been terrible for years. Even OZ stated that much. Ravens have need playmakers on both sides of the balls, yet that continue to draft DT,DE, and ILBs. Drafting receivers that can’t catch.

They need a new scouting department even if it means paying more to steal from another team.

#1 Your outta your mind. Its easy to say this person or whoever is the issue/problem, but what solution do you present as an improvement. Reality says many teams would be very happy to have Harbs for a coach. Every coach makes good and bad decisions for a myriad of reasons.

#2 Flacco did not have the best year. IMHO he was rushing to get back to the field. I know its hindsight now, but even when he first took to the field I was thinking, really? Why they did not play Mallett in the first few games to really let Joe get healthy and get his mechanics back is kinda crazy. I still do not think rushing him back helped out any.
Joe's contract has not handicapped the Ravens as you propose. Its easy to look at the total number he can earn. Try looking at what he actually does earn. Also, again who is a better QB upgrade available?

#3 This is just outright crazy. First your judging recent draft classes off of a season or two? I guess at the first sign of struggles you must think you have failed and flunked.. The Ravens do a great job at drafting many positions and generally draft well in ever round. There is no guarantee a drafted player realizes the potential you see in them, so many factors.

#4: The real issue you never even touched on.
The Ravens have been plucked of many good/great coaches/scouts over the last several years. Why, because they were successful. They have done a good job of trying to replace the losses but eventually you gotta deal with the fact everyone is a bit different and not necessarily at that same level and like players need a bit of development to hit their stride.

Most of these points would benefit from looking more closely at the details instead of surface scans.

[RavenManiac#7]

  1 hour ago, GMAC said:

Can we hire the Steelers front office as consultants to help us draft a WR? Looks like they found another one with that Ayers kid.

We have bigger problems than that. We need more secondary players, and offensive line guys first. You can bring in the best WR's in the world, but if you can't block and give Joe the time for them to get open, then you're screwed anyway... Yesterday, nobody could get open. Even the Cincy announcers talked about it.

You're right about our other needs, although you didn't mention pass rushers. But, didn't you kind of prove GMAC's point about us needing better wrs? Ours simply do not gain separation. Conversely to what you said, you can bring in the best offensive linemen in the world, but if you can't gain separation and catch and hold onto the ball, then you're screwed anyway. Even the Cincy announcers talked about it. What I'm trying to point out is it's a joint effort. OL's gotta block, and wrs gotta gain separation. You need both. One won't get the job done. Unless, maybe it's the Cheatriots and Brady, and that we and Joe are not.

[bioLarzen]

The curse of a mediocre season: too good for a really good draft spot, not good enough for the playoffs. The worst of both worlds.

[The Mom Gene]

13 minutes ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

You're right about our other needs, although you didn't mention pass rushers. But, didn't you kind of prove GMAC's point about us needing better wrs? Ours simply do not gain separation. Conversely to what you said, you can bring in the best offensive linemen in the world, but if you can't gain separation and catch and hold onto the ball, then you're screwed anyway. Even the Cincy announcers talked about it. What I'm trying to point out is it's a joint effort. OL's gotta block, and wrs gotta gain separation. You need both. One won't get the job done. Unless, maybe it's the Cheatriots and Brady, and that we and Joe are not.

No....  Not exactly...  You have guys like Perriman who is very fast, same with Wallace.  They are being double covered, as would most other WR's regardless. My point was that WR's can get seperation if given the time for the play to develop, and by that time the pocket has collapsed and Joe is under pressure, running for his life, and throwing off his back foot.  A very good example would be to watch a Dallas game.  They have the #1 line in the NFL right now.  Dak Prescott has 7 or 8 seconds every play.  Joe is lucky to get 2 or 3.  The announcers talked about all of the Joe Critics.. and how a guy like him is constantly under pressure and doesn't get the time he needs.  And he has been under pressure since 2012.  Most of his successful passes during the SB run were out to the right, because most of his pressure was on his left side back then.  Torrey even had a hard time getting open.  And that they had addressed it very well with Stanley.  I still believe their O-Line is the same as Dallas...  Look at the beginning of the season WITHOUT Br*dy.

[RavenManiac#7]

  3 hours ago, whobilly said:

  3 hours ago, Drinkmore Beer said:

Ravens should trade their number two pick. It's always a guaranteed flop.

The #1 Picks have not provided that much either. 2009 Oher. 2010 Kindle. 2011 J Smith. 2012 Upshaw. 2013 Elam. 2014 Mosley (PLAYER) 2015. Perriman(????) 2016 Stanley(PLAYER)

Kindle was Round 2, Upshaw was not a #1 either.

With Upshaw, Oz did his beloved "trading back", out of the first rd, so, essentially, he was "like" our #1. Not sure on Kindle. Think he was 2nd rd too. Don't think we had a 1st, or traded back again. Good point though. 1st picks should help immediately. Stanley-yeah, Mosley-yeah, J.Smith-yeah but hurt So much, Oher-below avg T, Upshaw-ehh, Kindle-NO, Elam-NO, Permian-still holding out hope. #2 & #3 in 2016- doubt it. Overall, I think we could hope for better. On Ozzie's defense, though, some late round picks there. He just has to stop trading back!

[The Mom Gene]

2 minutes ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

With Upshaw, Oz did his beloved "trading back", out of the first rd, so, essentially, he was "like" our #1. Not sure on Kindle. Think he was 2nd rd too. Don't think we had a 1st, or traded back again. Good point though. 1st picks should help immediately. Stanley-yeah, Mosley-yeah, J.Smith-yeah but hurt So much, Oher-below avg T, Upshaw-ehh, Kindle-NO, Elam-NO, Permian-still holding out hope. #2 & #3 in 2016- doubt it. Overall, I think we could hope for better. On Ozzie's defense, though, some late round picks there. He just has to stop trading back!

Upshaw came right around the second pick of Round 2.  He was ticked off that he went into the second round...

[bioLarzen]

  4 hours ago, whobilly said:

  4 hours ago, Drinkmore Beer said:

Ravens should trade their number two pick. It's always a guaranteed flop.

The #1 Picks have not provided that much either. 2009 Oher. 2010 Kindle. 2011 J Smith. 2012 Upshaw. 2013 Elam. 2014 Mosley (PLAYER) 2015. Perriman(????) 2016 Stanley(PLAYER)

Kindle was Round 2, Upshaw was not a #1 either.

They were both "#1" though - in the sense that they were the first picks of their drafts for the Ravens.

[The Mom Gene]

1 minute ago, bioLarzen said:

They were both "#1" though - in the sense that they were the first picks of their drafts for the Ravens.

Yup...  Upshaw was #35 in 2012.  That year the Ravens traded back.

[FloridalovesRavens]

All those fans that wanted us to lose to have a earlier draft pick should now be happy. Hope it made their day.

[FloridalovesRavens]

  1 hour ago, law215 said:

Problems with the Ravens

1. Harbs

Hire coordinators that are friends. Does not appear to have influence over play-calling or scheme. Can’t have a head coach that can not influence the game plan. The result is a revolving door of coordinators. Ravens hire former coaches because Harbs can’t teach young coordinators that would be on the staff for a long period of time.

Almost every week he talks about running the football, CBs having bad eyes/technique, being disciplined, vague clichés like ‘play winning football’.

Yet what you see on the field is Joe passing the too much, CB with the eyes in the backfield, stupid penalties, lack of urgency. I don’t think the players or coordinators listen to him or fear him.

You can’t pay everybody, so a coach must develop young players. Ravens rely on old guys to be starters way too much. That's why the can not sustain high level of play the last few season.

If the talent was that bad, they would not be in so many close games. It’s play calling and poor execution. That is the head coaches responsibility to control.

2. Joe Flacco
I have defended Flacco for years. Many fans stated his contract would handicap the Ravens and they were right.

Because of the contract, FO could not bring in or retain top talent. Flacco can not carry the offense. He needs a run game, o-line, and a receiver like Boldin that’s open even when he is covered. He needs an OC to call the plays and whisper in the head phones when to change the play. He need a QB coach to maintain his mechanics

After 9 years and $120 M, that’s one player with a lot of needs. A guy you paid to be a solution, but is often a problem. His pick yesterday was embarrassing.

3. OZ/DeCosta. Hortiz
The evaluation from scouts and drafting has been terrible for years. Even OZ stated that much. Ravens have need playmakers on both sides of the balls, yet that continue to draft DT,DE, and ILBs. Drafting receivers that can’t catch.

They need a new scouting department even if it means paying more to steal from another team.

#1 Your outta your mind. Its easy to say this person or whoever is the issue/problem, but what solution do you present as an improvement. Reality says many teams would be very happy to have Harbs for a coach. Every coach makes good and bad decisions for a myriad of reasons.

#2 Flacco did not have the best year. IMHO he was rushing to get back to the field. I know its hindsight now, but even when he first took to the field I was thinking, really? Why they did not play Mallett in the first few games to really let Joe get healthy and get his mechanics back is kinda crazy. I still do not think rushing him back helped out any.
Joe's contract has not handicapped the Ravens as you propose. Its easy to look at the total number he can earn. Try looking at what he actually does earn. Also, again who is a better QB upgrade available?

#3 This is just outright crazy. First your judging recent draft classes off of a season or two? I guess at the first sign of struggles you must think you have failed and flunked.. The Ravens do a great job at drafting many positions and generally draft well in ever round. There is no guarantee a drafted player realizes the potential you see in them, so many factors.

#4: The real issue you never even touched on.
The Ravens have been plucked of many good/great coaches/scouts over the last several years. Why, because they were successful. They have done a good job of trying to replace the losses but eventually you gotta deal with the fact everyone is a bit different and not necessarily at that same level and like players need a bit of development to hit their stride.

Most of these points would benefit from looking more closely at the details instead of surface scans.

Agree with your response. Fans try to pigeonhole a bad season by blaming this one or that one. The Ravens will bounce back. No doubt in my mind. Go Ravens.

[The Mom Gene]

6 minutes ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

All those fans that wanted us to lose to have a earlier draft pick should now be happy. Hope it made their day.

Yeah, moved us up 1 spot......

[The Mom Gene]

2 minutes ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

Agree with your response. Fans try to pigeonhole a bad season by blaming this one or that one. The Ravens will bounce back. No doubt in my mind. Go Ravens.

I agree with both of you as well....  Lots of Monday Morning GM's on these sites.

[ravens4life86]

Man just got done watching Corey Davis of Western Michigan, Stud. How awesome would it be to land either him or Clemson Mike Williams at 16,

But I know they need Pass Rush too.. this draft it going to be critical.

[whobilly]

  5 hours ago, whobilly said:

  5 hours ago, Drinkmore Beer said:

Ravens should trade their number two pick. It's always a guaranteed flop.

The #1 Picks have not provided that much either. 2009 Oher. 2010 Kindle. 2011 J Smith. 2012 Upshaw. 2013 Elam. 2014 Mosley (PLAYER) 2015. Perriman(????) 2016 Stanley(PLAYER)

Kindle was Round 2, Upshaw was not a #1 either.

Because the Ravens traded back to pick up both in the second round. It shows they were drafted as #2 picks but they were the Ravens First picks. Gotta love the "Trade Back" for mediocre players or the "Trade Up" to get BUSTS like Arthur Brown.

[whobilly]

The curse of a mediocre season: too good for a really good draft spot, not good enough for the playoffs. The worst of both worlds.

Yep, just bad enough to not be bad enough.

[CaliRavenFan]

1 hour ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

All those fans that wanted us to lose to have a earlier draft pick should now be happy. Hope it made their day.

I didnt want us to lose, especially being Smitty's last game but we deserved to lose that game. #5 knows that he isn't going anywhere no matter how bad he plays and its easy to see. I would love to see us trade up in the draft with our 3rd round comp pick but I can already see us trading down for more middle of the draft picks.