[News] Late For Work 1/2: Will Ravens Call Gary Kubiak After He Steps Down in Denver?

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[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

They didn't play like I expected I expected a hard fought game that was not the case some guys QUIT out there They lost to the steelers aweek earlier the steelers did not win we gave it to them and that loss has nothing to do with this loss

[Bruce_Almty]

Ravens should call Kubiak and wish him good health in his retirement.

[MadStorkSociety]

If you are going to lay an egg, best do it in the only meaningless game of the year. I would add Stanley as a bright spot along with Dixon.

p.s. we should have rested the started to evaluate the backups.

Edited January 2 by MadStorkSociety

[mrc724]

there has to be more changes to the coaching staff. Why are the Ravens so enamored with Pees. The secondary coach didn't change the pitiful secondary. There are many player who have to be let go.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

1) I am in Baltimore and I never for one second wondered if the Ravens would call Kubiak about a job. They only call they should make to him is to thank him for what he did for this organization and to wish him good health. Do you think the fans are a bunch of idiots?

2) No, the Ravens didn't play like I expected the team to play, they didn't play like that for most of the season. The players and coaching staff repeatedly said you can't use the Pittsburgh loss as an excuse and that's exactly what everyone is doing. You know what that shows? Weak will, no passion, and no heart. To lay that kind of a stinker against a team with that many issues was inexcusable.

3) A whole lot of changes should be made for sure and it should start with the coaching staff. Tired of hearing about all this potential. Where is it? Why isn't it developing? Is it all of the players not having the talent or are the coaches not teaching them well enough?

4) Bright spots need to include: Dennis Pitta being The Bionic Man, Micheal Pierce at DT, Zachary Orr at MLB, Ronnie Stanley at LT, Yanda at LG, Alex Lewis at G/T when he could play.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

They didn't play like I expected I expected a hard fought game that was not the case some guys QUIT out there They lost to the steelers aweek earlier the steelers did not win we gave it to them and that loss has nothing to do with this loss

To quote Ed McMahon, "YOU are correct, Sir!"

[birdseye]

I might be reading too much into this, but I did think it was interesting that they did not start Alex Lewis at LT: is that an indication we are going to try and resign Wagner, maybe they see Lewis' future as a G, or possibly he just wasn't 100%? definitely the biggest storyline of the offseason will be retaining him over BWill. We all saw how ineffective Joe is without a quality line (which will be more important if we hire Greg Roman). Our run D isn't made or broken by one player so we can overcome losing Williams better than Wagner.

[axisofeeble]

8-8 dull,16th but up from 5-11. New O.C. a must,a better 0-line and time for Pees to go. 1:18 from 9-6 and Dean's prevent cost us the game.John not taking 3s EARLY in season aLSO HURT. Free agent pass rusher, clean house,give John one more year.

[The Mom Gene]

1) I am in Baltimore and I never for one second wondered if the Ravens would call Kubiak about a job. They only call they should make to him is to thank him for what he did for this organization and to wish him good health. Do you think the fans are a bunch of idiots?

2) No, the Ravens didn't play like I expected the team to play, they didn't play like that for most of the season. The players and coaching staff repeatedly said you can't use the Pittsburgh loss as an excuse and that's exactly what everyone is doing. You know what that shows? Weak will, no passion, and no heart. To lay that kind of a stinker against a team with that many issues was inexcusable.

3) A whole lot of changes should be made for sure and it should start with the coaching staff. Tired of hearing about all this potential. Where is it? Why isn't it developing? Is it all of the players not having the talent or are the coaches not teaching them well enough?

4) Bright spots need to include: Dennis Pitta being The Bionic Man, Micheal Pierce at DT, Zachary Orr at MLB, Ronnie Stanley at LT, Yanda at LG, Alex Lewis at G/T when he could play.

... and Tucker

[budman]

I agree that Rick Dennison should be at or near the top of our list for OC. I believe he was Flacco's Qb coach when Kubiak was here. He worked on Flacco's mechanics from day 1.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Lets hope so. His offenses are balanced, he actually knows the value of a running game, and we need to do something to quell this pass happy ineffective offense

[KidNme]

Ya, it seems obvious that all the "Rah-Rah" about playing for pride was just about filling seats. 2016 was filled with lots of lip service from players and coaches.
As a "team", the Ravens have skewed the "Play like a Raven" motto. Our last game is how we've played like a Raven. Uninspired.
We did better than last year of course but in some ways, I think many guys just quit on us and our losses came more from a lack of intensity and intelligence where last year, we were just decimated by injuries. Could it be that our players knew that we wouldn't be able to make it to the Superbowl so we just phoned it in enough over the last few games and mention how we "Can beat" NE, or "Should have beaten Dallas", just to keep the Fan base/Money machine going? Hmmmm.... Billion dollar companies lying to us for the bottom line is not news.
I firmly believe that poor Coaching was our down fall. (Which ones, I'm not sure but I could make a list of guys I think they should scrutinize). We've lost a lot of good coaches over the last few years and have been picked clean since the SB. I guess that was bound to happen but now it's our turn to pick a couple teams clean of good coaches. Gotta spend money to make money!
It will be interesting to see what the brass thinks this off season.

[Minionhunter]

The Ravens should absolutely call Gary, like as soon as the press release hit. He is stepping down, not retiring. There were also rumors he would need to fire assistants which he didn't want to do. He could come back and bring his crew to help rebuild that "something special" he said John was building here before he left for Denver. He was happy here and didn't have the stress of being the head coach. I think it's a perfect fit, and he can bring Wade Phillips with him, just import nearly the entire Denver system to Baltimore. Ideal match.

[law215]

I am not sure it was effort or that fact Bengals are just more talented than the guys we have and the coaching is better.

Harbs comment that "its only natural" to not put out a better effort is unacceptable. It contradicts everything he said going into the game.

Ravens played this game like they just wanted to pad stats. Flacco targeted Pitta 16 times, throwing the ball 49 times. Is he on an incentive contract because the problem all year was throwing the ball too much.

Harbs hire his friends
Joe throws to his buddy and can't read a defense (poor work ethic)
Pees plays if safe with a lead
OZ cant draft WR ,CB,S well

This team is a mess. They are lucky to be 8-8. They are a tip ball away from 7-9.

Anything less than many changes is unacceptable.

[52swaggerman]

Re-interview Marty Mornhinweg and Trestman, see how they would have changed the offense after 2-seasons, then find someone who would do the OPPOSITE of everything they say.

Honestly, we need a Dennison/Kubiak like guy who holds mechanics and balance accountable. Kubiak never let Flacco off for throwing on his back foot. I think 2014 was the only year his passes didn't sail off to the wind. Dink and Dunk is not a substitute for ground n pound/play action.

Dean Pees showed that he can take another gift of talented defenders from the GM and put them through emotional roller coasters of terrible panic mode defensive strategy. They talked about how "Pees knows New England" blah blah, no, actually New England knows Pees-THEY GOT RID OF HIM. We had not 1, but 2 14 point leads in 2014. Belicheck/Mcdaniels/Brady knew how predictable he would be, that they were able to draw up some of the most ludicrous trick plays and execute them flawlessly. Sending Darian Stewart again in a prevent look? Okay check to the Edelman screen bomb. Enjoy your exotic cover 0. This year was more the same, decent aggressive calls for 2.5 quarters then all out panic prevent. I am the furthest thing from an expert, but if armchair quarterbacks can predict how you finish a game you don't deserve the big money.

This is the year where some great DC and OC potential exists. If John is smart he will be begging to bring in some new talent.

[bioLarzen]

... and the same crap begins. The Ravens don't need MANY changes. They need a few, but QUALITY changes.

Mainly in the coching dept.

[Minionhunter]

Bringing in Gary and his crew would fix a few things:
1 Joe and his footwork
2 Run pass balance
3 TE useage and technique
4 play action
5 The O-line - fire Castillo by promotion just like they did when Gary was here before
6 running backs more successful

Basically everything that went wrong would be fixed. Hell, they could even let him work himself back into things with a significant portion of time off to get well rested and let Rick cover during that period.

Perfect fit

[Minionhunter]

If they can bring in Gary and his crew this would be the Christmas miracle that we were all praying for. Ask yourself how many times in the last two years you have said to yourself, out loud or not, "I wish we still had Gary."
 

Edited January 2 by Minionhunter

[steelcityraven]

Re-interview Marty Mornhinweg and Trestman, see how they would have changed the offense after 2-seasons, then find someone who would do the OPPOSITE of everything they say.

Honestly, we need a Dennison/Kubiak like guy who holds mechanics and balance accountable. Kubiak never let Flacco off for throwing on his back foot. I think 2014 was the only year his passes didn't sail off to the wind. Dink and Dunk is not a substitute for ground n pound/play action.

Dean Pees showed that he can take another gift of talented defenders from the GM and put them through emotional roller coasters of terrible panic mode defensive strategy. They talked about how "Pees knows New England" blah blah, no, actually New England knows Pees-THEY GOT RID OF HIM. We had not 1, but 2 14 point leads in 2014. Belicheck/Mcdaniels/Brady knew how predictable he would be, that they were able to draw up some of the most ludicrous trick plays and execute them flawlessly. Sending Darian Stewart again in a prevent look? Okay check to the Edelman screen bomb. Enjoy your exotic cover 0. This year was more the same, decent aggressive calls for 2.5 quarters then all out panic prevent. I am the furthest thing from an expert, but if armchair quarterbacks can predict how you finish a game you don't deserve the big money.

This is the year where some great DC and OC potential exists. If John is smart he will be begging to bring in some new talent.

52swaggerman.... I am with you... It is time for some change. OC is happening but I think we need a change at DC more then at OC. The pees excuses has worn thin and it is just more of the same. Lets start new.

[bioLarzen]

I wish there was someone at the season concluding presser who would ask the followiong questions from Steve:

- Do you agree that what the Ravens showed this season was mostly mediocre?

- If you do: do you accept mediocrity on the long term - especially after one of the best off-seasons in team history, with a draft and free agency that might both go down as among the best in team history?

- If you don't accept mediocrity on the long term - how do you plan to stop it?

- What exactly do you see in coach Harbaugh that gives you hope that things will turn around, after such a promising season - a great roster with few injuries - was lost in such an unacceptable fashion?

- What gives you the reason to believe Harbaugh will somehow get the hang of how to spot a good OC? He had 5 OC'S, and four of them - Cam, Caldwell, Trestman and Mornhinweg - were obviously NOT good enough. And worse: the tendency is worrying: the last two ones were the worst by far. What makes you think this tendency won't continue? WHY wouldn't it continue if the same man is allowed to pick the next OC who picked the previous ones?

- Aren't you afraid that the Ravens are gonna lose more and more fans if the Ravens continue to be a team that's seldom fun to watch - even when they win?

- What's your stance on Flacco's performance in 2016?

- If you agree that it was easily his worst season ever, how do you plan to make him seem like a QB that actually wants to play and win - like he used to do?

- Do you think we, Ravens-fans deserved this seasson?

- Do you agree that it was shameful,. borderline insulting for Steve Smith to have to end his career like this?

And most importantly:

- What has to happen to convince you that Harbaugh is not what he used to be, anymore? That he's been wasting good, potentially successful seasons since the Super Bowl?

You see, I agree that continuity is a great asset and that it should never be underestimated. But it shouldn't be overvalued either. I'm afraid that insisting on prioritizing continuity will come at the price of prolonged mediocrity for the Baltimore Ravens. As the owner who finances all this mediocrity - is this really what you want? Is this what you're willing to settle for?

[Raven in ATL]

while a change at both Coordinators would be welcome by me. i would also like to see some changed at the position coaches. how long will Bobby Engram rely on wily veterans to do his job for him? our younger WRs just cant seem to get the basics of their positions, route running, hand techniques, gaining separation. Aside from those wily vets we have been lucky to sign over the years (Mason, Boldin, Smith Sr) its painful watching our other WRs.

sure fans like to go after the big fish to blame like the GM or HC... but c'mon the position group coaches DO YOUR JOB TOO!

[ellicottraven]

Thank you Bengals for putting out the sputtering flame that was the Baltimore Ravens season. Our future is now blissfully dark.

[bioLarzen]

OK, so Kubiak has apparently made it clear that he's retiring from coaching in the NFL in general, not just from being a HC.

So, I guess we can put the idea/hope of luring him back, to sleep right here.

Edited January 2 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

47 minutes ago, Raven in ATL said:

how long will Bobby Engram rely on wily veterans to do his job for him? 

How could you possibly know this is what's happening?

[drillem]

John Harbaugh looks totally defeated in every way at his pressers lately. In one recent one he couldn't even finish feigning a cough to excuse himself from further questioning. I'd fire him so fast after this season and especially after that game yesterday that he'd need a fire extinguisher to put the fire out.

[rave n us]

Ravens problems in 2016
-Lost 3 games chasing points/ Coaching
-Flacco inaccurate/ repetitive mechanics drills needed/ coaching and talent level
-Perriman looks lost on many plays/ football IQ is low
-Running backs are missing the cut back holes, constantly/ coaching-talent level
-Corners can't cover without J. Smith in the game. Need more talented corners.
- Almost no pass rush late in the season. Age issues on the edge. Can't compensate with blitzes because one on one coverage gets burned. Need pass rushers.
-Near the bottom in yds per attempt in passing game/coaching.
-Although the Ravens have Perriman and Wallace, they rarely stretch the field/ coaching
-No commitment to the run game, stresses our defense, takes away time of posession, increases opponents pass rush, etc./ coaching
- Losing games late. Tired defense because offense not on the field enough. Poor defense alignment./coaching
-Penalty after penalty after penalty/coaching and discipline

While the Ravens need upgrades at pass rusher, cornerback, wide receiver we also need new offensive and defensive mindsets. Mixing lack of talent with poor coaching decisions and you get an average team at best.

[sami]

John Harbaugh looks totally defeated in every way at his pressers lately. In one recent one he couldn't even finish feigning a cough to excuse himself from further questioning. I'd fire him so fast after this season and especially after that game yesterday that he'd need a fire extinguisher to put the fire out.

and hire WHO?

[sami]

there has to be more changes to the coaching staff. Why are the Ravens so enamored with Pees. The secondary coach didn't change the pitiful secondary. There are many player who have to be let go.

They are enamored by him cuz we had the #1-#5 defense thru out the year. Our secondary was much better than last years. Our biggest problem was our pass rush. Not so much the players but the way it was set up. We kept getting in each others way.

[ByTheBay]

5 minutes ago, sami said:

and hire WHO?

While I don't think we should fire Harbaugh, I am growing tired of hearing this answer from fans. How many of us even knew who John Harbaugh was before he became a Raven? HC's come from all over as John has proven. While the easiest place for fans to look may be college coaches or NFL coordinators that excell, there are many, many qualified candidates out there on someones list that we as fans know nothing about. So please, the next time someone voices their opinion that we may need a new team leader (thats what he is supposed to be) take a minute to give a thoughtful answer that involves a little thought.