[News] Ravens Disappointed With Emotional Letdown In Season Finale

[ByTheBay]

I don't think we will see Harbaugh replace both the OC and DC. That doesn't usually work out well for the HC's own job security the following year. Harbaugh isn't going anywhere, Steve will probably let Ozzie retire when he is ready. So we most likely retain Pees and replace Marty with a more run focused OC. Please no Chip Kelly or Roman. McCoy, Norv or Dennison would be my choices if we could get them. I believe Steve likes long term stability and blowing it up after a couple disappointing seasons is not his style. 

[ByTheBay]

2 hours ago, jhulax35 said:

Yes he has thrown some bad passes.. but what about the passes that have hit wr or te in the hands and have been picked off.. what about the pass to Wallace during the Pats game and looked like he was catching one those big bouncing balls you get for your kids.. or what about Kamar not looking back at his Qb when joe had let go of the ball early. Don't give the Wr a break because there plent more. Maybe joe shouldn't have thrown that pass to Torrey but Torrey didn't fight for the ball he hardly fought for any of the balls thrown his way.. Here let me go on Perriamn didn't even try catch a ball when Joe had get rid of it early and he dropped mostly every out route. 

I have often wondered if Joe throws too hard. You typically see newly acquired recievers and rookies drop passes or have them bounce off of their hands and chest. It's great that Joe has a cannon for an arm but maybe he should have spent the last 9 years working on his touch. Ridiculous? 

[MadStorkSociety]

  11 hours ago, mrc724 said:

Amen, In Ozzie we trust is gone. How long has been since he' had a good draft. Again, the organization needs to get Younger. Clean house.

2014: Mosley, Jernigan, Campanaro, Gilmore....

2015: Perriman, Williams, Smith, Boyle, Waller

2016: Just about every draft pick is on the team.

It's not that Ozzie and staff doesn't draft players as they choose quantity over quality. That's the rub. No superstars are being drafted. No one is afraid of anyone on the Ravens. No one.

Been saying this forever. We collect draft picks like they're rare Pez dispensers. We collect a bunch of picks and then end up cutting half of them. We should trade up for play makers.

[araveninwaconc]

Basically what I saw demonstrated this season was an urgent approach for Flacco to get 4000 yds by any means! Him and his buddy (Pitta)? Most people for get about the big bonuses for reaching certain numbers in the NFL and contracts. Joe had never thrown for 4000 he came close two years ago and was on pace last year. Please forgive me if I am wrong but that was my perception of throw first run less?

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Hello everyone, I for one am sorry that we missed the play offs and really expected it to go like it did. Our souls had already been ripped out! Nevertheless my question deals with playoff procedures? I post this because I know no else to go or ask professionally? Now I believe myself to be a real football stud when addressing situational game scenarios of how teams make the playoffs for over 3/4 of my life and I am 55? Or so I thought? During the game between Tampa Bay and Carolina, it was indicated that Indy, Mia, had to win, with a Cowboys win, and a victory over Carolina, Tampa would be in the playoffs. Now my problem deals with Idy and Mia being in the afc and having an impact on a nfc team. Mia played NE and Idy played Jacksonville? (all Afc). How did these two afc games have an impact on a nfc team?

Please someone help me I am so confused! Email me at tomkatt62@gmail.com
this information would really educate me in a field I once believed to hold a Major degree in? However, I have seen differently and need some mental therapy to educate me so I may help others understand, as myself. Then we all can stop giving our own theories (me and my football gurus friends). Please some one help me

I was wondering about this idea about Tampa Bay as well because their fate seemed to be tied to the Detroit Lions and it does seem silly that a fate of an NFC team would rely on the AFC team games. It must all be buried in the NFL rules for tie breaking which appear here: http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

Now since the Lions and the Bucs are not in the same division, the break down goes like this:

1) Head to head games: They never played each other.
2) Best W-L-T% inside conference: They were both 7-5 in conference
3) Best W-L-T% in common games (games against same opponent): Oddly enough, they were both 2-3 against common opponents.
4) Strength of victory
5) Strength of Schedule.

I would assume it somehow comes down to these two factors because the rest of the tie breakers deal with points scored and such, which should have nothing to with whether other teams won or lost.

Now, the Bucs went 2-2 in non conference play: They beat the Chiefs (12-4), and the Chargers (5-11), but lost to Broncos (9-7), and the Raiders (12-4).

The Lions also went 2-2 in non conference play: They beat the Colts (8-8), and the Jags (3-13), but lost to the Titans (9-7), and the Texans (9-7).

It all must have to do with number 5 and I don't feel like looking up combined records of opponents. The one glaring thing I see sticking out is the Bucs losing to the Rams, a team the Lions also played and beat.

[jhulax35]

  3 hours ago, jhulax35 said:

Yes he has thrown some bad passes.. but what about the passes that have hit wr or te in the hands and have been picked off.. what about the pass to Wallace during the Pats game and looked like he was catching one those big bouncing balls you get for your kids.. or what about Kamar not looking back at his Qb when joe had let go of the ball early. Don't give the Wr a break because there plent more. Maybe joe shouldn't have thrown that pass to Torrey but Torrey didn't fight for the ball he hardly fought for any of the balls thrown his way.. Here let me go on Perriamn didn't even try catch a ball when Joe had get rid of it early and he dropped mostly every out route. 

I have often wondered if Joe throws too hard. You typically see newly acquired recievers and rookies drop passes or have them bounce off of their hands and chest. It's great that Joe has a cannon for an arm but maybe he should have spent the last 9 years working on his touch. Ridiculous? 

Seems that Pitta,Smith Sr, Boldin, and all his RB don't have problems Masson didn't have problem.. That's how Masson made living on how hard Joe throws on the 10 and out route why can't we get wr to run that route now and be open

[araveninwaconc]

  12 hours ago, b93333 said:

Lots of talk about getting rid of Harbs... think for a minute... you can't blame him for poor draft picks, poor personnel decisions, inflated contracts and poor QB play. He does as well as anyone could with the team they give him.

I'm sorry but yes you can blame JH as well as Ozzie, both in conjunction have the input & power to address, stock & build. But when you have so many 1st thru 3rd rnd picks that have become so unimportant the last few years and you rely on FA's & 4 thru 6 rounders to your not going to compete as witnessed the last 4 years.

I agree with your draft theory but I think we should give those last few early round picks till next year to progress. I believe most of them show up next year depending on the changes made. Players like Sharice Wright and powers are in questioned for change?

[jravens1313]

2 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Correa (2nd round pick) and Kaufusi (3rd round pick) were not on the team. Well, Correa was for a little bit as an underwhemling special teamer before he went on IR. That should also tell you a great deal when 6th rounders, 7th rounders, and UDFA are getting a lot of reps for your team....they had to beat out somebody.

 

1 hour ago, araveninwaconc said:

Hello everyone, I for one am sorry that we missed the play offs and really expected it to go like it did. Our souls had already been ripped out! Nevertheless my question deals with playoff procedures? I post this because I know no else to go or ask professionally? Now I believe myself to be a real football stud when addressing situational game scenarios of how teams make the playoffs for over 3/4 of my life and I am 55? Or so I thought? During the game between Tampa Bay and Carolina, it was indicated that Indy, Mia, had to win, with a Cowboys win, and a victory over Carolina, Tampa would be in the playoffs. Now my problem deals with Idy and Mia being in the afc and having an impact on a nfc team. Mia played NE and Idy played Jacksonville? (all Afc). How did these two afc games have an impact on a nfc team?

Please someone help me I am so confused! Email me at tomkatt62@gmail.com
this information would really educate me in a field I once believed to hold a Major degree in? However, I have seen differently and need some mental therapy to educate me so I may help others understand, as myself. Then we all can stop giving our own theories (me and my football gurus friends). Please some one help me

It may do with strength of schedule, or record against common opponents as a calculating factor to get the last team in.

 http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

[ByTheBay]

2 hours ago, jhulax35 said:

Seems that Pitta,Smith Sr, Boldin, and all his RB don't have problems Masson didn't have problem.. That's how Masson made living on how hard Joe throws on the 10 and out route why can't we get wr to run that route now and be open

Yes but all the players you named are all veterans that had the skills to adapt to a strong armed qb and the rb's typically catch lobs 5 yards out. I don't know, it's probably a rediculous theory anyway. 

Edited January 2 by ByTheBay
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[jhulax35]

  3 hours ago, jhulax35 said:

Seems that Pitta,Smith Sr, Boldin, and all his RB don't have problems Masson didn't have problem.. That's how Masson made living on how hard Joe throws on the 10 and out route why can't we get wr to run that route now and be open

Yes but all the players you named are all veterans that had the skills to adapt to a strong armed qb and the rb's typically catch lobs 5 yards out. I don't know, it's probably a reduculous theory anyway. 

Pitta was rookie when he came to Baltimore.. campanaro wouldn't have problem if he could stay healthy

[ByTheBay]

32 minutes ago, jhulax35 said:

Pitta was rookie when he came to Baltimore.. campanaro wouldn't have problem if he could stay healthy

Ok so Pitta, the guy that has probably spent more practice time with Joe away from the facility than all other players combined. Campanaro wasnt on the original list so I'm not sure where your coming from with that one but he has had his fair share of drops when Joe fires it in there too. 

[jhulax35]

  1 hour ago, jhulax35 said:

Pitta was rookie when he came to Baltimore.. campanaro wouldn't have problem if he could stay healthy

Ok so Pitta, the guy that has probably spent more practice time with Joe away from the facility than all other players combined. Campanaro wasnt on the original list so I'm not sure where your coming from with that one but he has had his fair share of drops when Joe fires it in there too. 

Well I was trying come up with players who were not on the list because you said they were all veterans and knew how to catch from hard throwing Qb but guess you're Joe just throws too hard and it's not wr or te fault for dropping the ball

[duffydg]

Organization is heading in the wrong direction. Time for massive change. New Coach / GM or both? Different culture. Get rid of the old players (Dumervill, Suggs) and let's bring in some free agents at CB and DE.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

59 minutes ago, jhulax35 said:

Well I was trying come up with players who were not on the list because you said they were all veterans and knew how to catch from hard throwing Qb but guess you're Joe just throws too hard and it's not wr or te fault for dropping the ball

If a ball hits you square in the hands and you drop it, that's on the receiver...all the time. Some might be even more critical than I am and say if you get a hand on the ball, you better catch it. I've seen far too many bobbles that turn into picks and just flat out drops from our receivers. That's usually due to a lack of concentration or they all inherited Ed Dickson's hands.

[20306cab]

Self Righteous John and Pathetic Joe will be back to collect their millions next year, and never be heard from again after 2017.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

21 minutes ago, duffydg said:

Organization is heading in the wrong direction. Time for massive change. New Coach / GM or both? Different culture. Get rid of the old players (Dumervill, Suggs) and let's bring in some free agents at CB and DE.

Our 3-4DE's play more like DT's in our scheme so I don't see why you'd pay big time money to them in free agency. I agree that we need replacements for Dumervil and Suggs. Both are old and have had major injuries recently. I don't think we currently have the guys to replace them on the roster. So what we really need are pass rushing OLB's...and they don't come cheap. We've been bringing in a TON of FA CB's...that hasn't helped. Kyle Arrington, Will Davis, Shareece Wright, Jarraud Powers, etc., etc.

I believe this coaching staff needs a wakeup call. The team looked completely lost, unprepared to play at times, and the clock management issues also keep coming to the forefront. At some point you need to correct these mistakes and stop making excuses.

[jhulax35]

  1 hour ago, jhulax35 said:

Well I was trying come up with players who were not on the list because you said they were all veterans and knew how to catch from hard throwing Qb but guess you're Joe just throws too hard and it's not wr or te fault for dropping the ball

If a ball hits you square in the hands and you drop it, that's on the receiver...all the time. Some might be even more critical than I am and say if you get a hand on the ball, you better catch it. I've seen far too many bobbles that turn into picks and just flat out drops from our receivers. That's usually due to a lack of concentration or they all inherited Ed Dickson's hands.

I agree I was Wr and was always told if you get finger tip on the ball you should catch it just some people think joe throws too hard I dunno anymore

[reed20]

22 hours ago, Derrel said:

the players play the game but maybe a change could help....Pees likely to retire.

Where'd you hear that he will retire?

[Crusader]

Does this qualify a quitting on the coach?

[Crusader]

Self Righteous John and Pathetic Joe will be back to collect their millions next year, and never be heard from again after 2017.

That's what I predicted in 2013. John got total control just like Brian B. The Kubiak year extended it.

[DENNYK]

Way to many players that seem to be hurt time and again. It almost appears to be an epidemic now each week. Life at the CASTLE must be pretty cushy for a lot of these guys. No wonder players want to come here. The team needs to get back to fundamental football and sign players that want to play not just wear the uniform. Fans deserve more than this from their players and their coaches. If Steve B allows another year of this crap to go on, then he is also part of the problem. Like they say, "If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem".