Candidates to be the next defensive coordinator

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

Found this to be interesting as I had not heard of the possibility of Pees retiring. It is Preston though so tough to tell for sure

Mike Preston ‏@MikePrestonSun  4h4 hours ago

If Dean Pees retires, linebackcers coach Don "Wink" Martindale has shot at becoming new Ravens D-Coordinator.

Preston is generally negative, but I feel like his sources are generally accurate and solid.

[af10000]

Promote Frazier, And possibly hire Ed Reed as new secondary coach. Makes sense to me...

[Sizzlebshu]

edit wrong thread. 

 

But Pees did fine this year in most aspects. Only real flaw was not varying where the pressure was coming from. Can't blame him for that. 

Edited January 3 by Sizzlebshu

[jazz1988]

16 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

I would let the new head coach pick the defensive coordinator.  It makes no sense to fire the coordinators but keep the head coach.  What kind of coordinator is going to sign on with Harbaugh on the hot seat? 

One of The Ravens former coaches went on to be The Colts defensive coordinator knowing Chuck Pagano was on the hotseat.  Considering John Harbaugh record and previous success to along with the talent on the team both on offense and defense I think any coordinator that's available would want to be apart of the coaching staff. The Ravens organization it self has a great reputation as well.

[af10000]

Pees is totally to blame for not varying the pressure, he's the one in charge of the defensive game plan. It's the "prevent" defense that he'll never shy away from, that's what killed us all season long. That's not the Raven way, bottom line.

[omar586]

OC//DC of the ravens should be replaced, they were horrendious 

[rmcjacket23]

On 1/1/2017 at 4:50 PM, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Rex Ryan

We want to get better, not worse.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Why is this team so bad late in the game while in zone coverage? I don't understand how it can happen. It's not like we are trying to run exotic zone schemes. These are basic zones that every team runs for the most part and every player should have a complete understanding of the concept coming out of college. May be we don't have the talent or the speed to run an effective zone along with the coaches not placing enough emphasis on it and holding players accountable. With years of running an ineffective zone late in games you would figure they would find a way to fix it.

[jazz1988]

22 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Why is this team so bad late in the game while in zone coverage? I don't understand how it can happen. It's not like we are trying to run exotic zone schemes. These are basic zones that every team runs for the most part and every player should have a complete understanding of the concept coming out of college. May be we don't have the talent or the speed to run an effective zone along with the coaches not placing enough emphasis on it and holding players accountable. With years of running an ineffective zone late in games you would figure they would find a way to fix it.

When there is no pass rush  a quarterback most likely will be able to be successful against zone coverage. Late in the game against the Steelers Dean Pees try to force Big Ben to make a mistake by sending a safety blitz  along with the four man rush but The Steelers offensive line did a great job blocking it  and it gave Big Ben enough time to get the ball off to his receivers while The Ravens defense was in zone coverage. Overall  since their was no pressure the zone coverage that the defense was in wasn't able to fool Big Ben  and that's  what  killed the defense in the end.

[Rav'n Maniac]

12 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

When there is no pass rush  a quarterback most likely will be able to be successful against zone coverage. Late in the game against the Steelers Dean Pees try to force Big Ben to make a mistake by sending a safety blitz  along with the four man rush but The Steelers offensive line did a great job blocking it  and it gave Big Ben enough time to get the ball off to his receivers while The Ravens defense was in zone coverage. Overall  since their was no pressure the zone coverage that the defense was in wasn't able to fool Big Ben  and that's  what  killed the defense in the end.

I get your drift and I agree with your summarization of that play. But this is a ongoing issue since Pees took over, and it not only affects one play but, usually a complete drive or multiple drives at the end of games as was the case with Pittsburg. I don't doubt that our pass rush has a serious effect on the zone coverage but, I feel the problem goes much deeper than that and I struggle to understand why they can't fix it.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

We had the #1 D in the league most of the league with literally no pass rush to speak of... i dont know many Defenses that could pull that off, and the wheels only fell off when Jimmy Smith was out.

While, sure there are some teams that could still compete without their #1 corner, but when he's really your only decent corner other than a rookie youre going to struggle. And when that rookie is 5'9" youre really going to struggle when matchups include bigger, stronger receivers.

Seattles D looks to have lost some of their bite without Earl Thomas. I think Jimmy is almost as important to our secondary, as he allows us to ignore 1/2 of the field.

I mean, i dont know how you can really blame Pees. I get there may be some things you differ in opinion on, but the Defense carried us into contention up until the last 2 weeks... and then yes, had a meltdown without Jimmy. But, thats a personnel issue.

And those hating his "prevent" which i beg to differ -isnt a prevent... what do you want to do instead? Try hard to pressure the opposing team with a pass rush that hasnt gotten home all game and expose even further an already leaky secondary sans Jimmy??

 

I mean its fine to complain and all. But solutions are better.

[Ravenseconbeast]

This is just so sad and stupid.  

Half of folks has no idea or NEVER even try to watch how the other #2-#5 defense were this year.   

We finally have something going and you want to wreck it down and put it on shambles.   Just smh.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Why is this team so bad late in the game while in zone coverage? I don't understand how it can happen. It's not like we are trying to run exotic zone schemes. These are basic zones that every team runs for the most part and every player should have a complete understanding of the concept coming out of college. May be we don't have the talent or the speed to run an effective zone along with the coaches not placing enough emphasis on it and holding players accountable. With years of running an ineffective zone late in games you would figure they would find a way to fix it.

Lack of pass rush. Which becomes exacerbated on specific plays when you send an extra guy trying to manufacture pressure. When it doesnt hit home, big plays happen.

When Jimmy is there, and he and Tavon can effectively shut their guys down it works a lot better. But lets not act like Pees is riding great personnel to a successful defense.

In 2014 he hid an atrocious secondary to get us to within minutes of beating the SB champs. In 2012 his D helped win a SB. This year, he coached a unit with a bottom 5 pass rush in terms of productivity and efficiency to a #1 ranking for 14 weeks. It came off when the key to the whole thing workings - Jimmy - went out. Jimmy completely shutting down one side of the field erases so many issues.

[omar586]

im not saying he should get fired, but i hope a stupid team hires him as the HC, lol

[RaineV1]

31 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

We had the #1 D in the league most of the league with literally no pass rush to speak of... i dont know many Defenses that could pull that off, and the wheels only fell off when Jimmy Smith was out.

While, sure there are some teams that could still compete without their #1 corner, but when he's really your only decent corner other than a rookie youre going to struggle. And when that rookie is 5'9" youre really going to struggle when matchups include bigger, stronger receivers.

Seattles D looks to have lost some of their bite without Earl Thomas. I think Jimmy is almost as important to our secondary, as he allows us to ignore 1/2 of the field.

I mean, i dont know how you can really blame Pees. I get there may be some things you differ in opinion on, but the Defense carried us into contention up until the last 2 weeks... and then yes, had a meltdown without Jimmy. But, thats a personnel issue.

And those hating his "prevent" which i beg to differ -isnt a prevent... what do you want to do instead? Try hard to pressure the opposing team with a pass rush that hasnt gotten home all game and expose even further an already leaky secondary sans Jimmy??

 

I mean its fine to complain and all. But solutions are better.

That number 1 D got ground into dust by Dallas, giving up a 1st and thirty. It also let OBJ have 200 yards receiving. The stats were misleading, in my opinion. When it came to crunch time, they usually didn't come through. And it was awful during the last quarter of the season.

Edited January 3 by RaineV1

[Tyler]

51 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

We had the #1 D in the league most of the league with literally no pass rush to speak of... i dont know many Defenses that could pull that off, and the wheels only fell off when Jimmy Smith was out.

While, sure there are some teams that could still compete without their #1 corner, but when he's really your only decent corner other than a rookie youre going to struggle. And when that rookie is 5'9" youre really going to struggle when matchups include bigger, stronger receivers.

Seattles D looks to have lost some of their bite without Earl Thomas. I think Jimmy is almost as important to our secondary, as he allows us to ignore 1/2 of the field.

I mean, i dont know how you can really blame Pees. I get there may be some things you differ in opinion on, but the Defense carried us into contention up until the last 2 weeks... and then yes, had a meltdown without Jimmy. But, thats a personnel issue.

And those hating his "prevent" which i beg to differ -isnt a prevent... what do you want to do instead? Try hard to pressure the opposing team with a pass rush that hasnt gotten home all game and expose even further an already leaky secondary sans Jimmy??

 

I mean its fine to complain and all. But solutions are better.

So the Secondary is already leaky, as you've said, so it makes sense to rush 3 and drop 8 guys in coverage who aren't very strong to begin with?! Wrong. You get creative and try to execute some type of pressure! It is a proven fact that if you let Ben Roethlisberger stand in the pocket of a 3 man rush, he will rip your defense to shreds, as he and many other good QB's have accomplished against this defense week in and week out. Those defending Pees need to realize that these end of game situations have just as much to do with the play calling as they do with the personnel on the field .

[omar586]

givin up leads have been chronic since pees came to town.

Edited January 3 by omar586

[RavensDieHard21]

The mediocre coordinators will go down with the ship with Harbaugh. Pees isn't bad. His blitz packages are creative but the guy lacks knowledge of coverage packages and knowing how to keep a lead