[News] Game Recap: Bengals 27, Ravens 10

[TheConquerorWorm]

  2 hours ago, Dusty said:

  3 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Joe gotta go! Can't blame Ozzie and Co. and Harbs for this season Joe did not play up to what was expected of him because he had the pieces on Offense period point blank! QB #1 pick and do the regular draft process! THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING! SMH

Whatever you're smoking you need to blow it out 'cus it's destroying your judgement. Flacco needs to go? Who are you going to put at QB? Tell me, who? We live in a world where Kirk Cousins is a keeper!

We need to fire our entire defense except for maybe for 6-8 players. THAT would be a start.

I honestly want you to tell me who you would pick up to be QB if you got rid of Flacco. I can't wait to hear this answer...

Here's my 2cents- Flacco was rated 25th in league before the game- probably drops to 27th after and there are only 32 teams. Almost anyone would be better than Flacco at this point. Don't get me wrong I like Joe, he's a nice guy ect but he has Sucked since signing the contract. Has forgotten basic mechanics and can't read defenses. We can't unload yet but as soon as we can we should.

Cam Newton is 5 spots lower than Flacco. Using your logic, Cam is one of the worst QBs ever and the Panthers should dump him immediately....smh. According to ESPN (Idk where you get your rankings), Flacco is 18th in QBR - ahead of Newton, Wentz, Dalton, Manning, etc.

You say get rid of Flacco but you offer no REAL solution. If finding an above average QB was easy, the Browns, Jets, Rams, Eagles, Texans, Bills would have had one by now. All of these teams have drafted at least 1 or 2 QBs in the 1st Round and still haven't found one.

[bluehen]

  2 hours ago, Dusty said:

  3 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Joe gotta go! Can't blame Ozzie and Co. and Harbs for this season Joe did not play up to what was expected of him because he had the pieces on Offense period point blank! QB #1 pick and do the regular draft process! THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING! SMH

Whatever you're smoking you need to blow it out 'cus it's destroying your judgement. Flacco needs to go? Who are you going to put at QB? Tell me, who? We live in a world where Kirk Cousins is a keeper!

We need to fire our entire defense except for maybe for 6-8 players. THAT would be a start.

I honestly want you to tell me who you would pick up to be QB if you got rid of Flacco. I can't wait to hear this answer...

Here's my 2cents- Flacco was rated 25th in league before the game- probably drops to 27th after and there are only 32 teams. Almost anyone would be better than Flacco at this point. Don't get me wrong I like Joe, he's a nice guy ect but he has Sucked since signing the contract. Has forgotten basic mechanics and can't read defenses. We can't unload yet but as soon as we can we should.

I am also a big fan of Joe, but often he looks like he is in a fog, needs to renegotiate his contract, if he will not trade him!

[billiejean]

3 hours ago, law215 said:

3 hours ago, lowcountryraven said:

Best loss of the season. We moved up a few spots for the draft. Our needs are faster cover guys, better pass rushers, better offensive lineman who can block consistently, and receivers who can actually get open and catch the ball. Grab a few high dollar young players in free agency, cut some older and slower expensive players, and get more speed in the draft. Most importantly please get some creative coaches on offense. I am sick of watching 3rd down and 8 and we throw a 5 yard pass and punt. I am sick of watching our defense give a 6 yard cushion for easy completions. I am still a fan but come on man!!!! Bring Torrey Smith back, at least he could get open and catch the football and you can probably work out a good deal for him. Get the best offensive line players out there, pass protection and run blocking can make any offense look good even ours. See you all in the summer.

The problem with counting on draft spot is the Ravens have not drafted playmakers in the first 2 rounds in a long time. Offensive lineman are safe bets in the first round. Finding the elite pass rushers, WR, CB, and safties are what improves your team. It's also what OZ has not done well as of late.

Offensive lineman are far from safe bets .. Eric Fisher, Luke Jokel, Cam Ervin, Eric Flower, Justin Pugh, Greg Robinson. Luke, Eric, and Greg where all taken within the first two picks, and before this year there wasn't a left tackle who played well his rookie year since 2012. Matt Khalil made the pro bowl that year and he hasn't been able to match that performance since then. That said, this years class of tackles all have had pretty good seasons.  I think some of the busts can be attributed to reaching, but there are usually a few guards that get taken in the first and usually the prognosticators have labeled them as safe bets.  Both Chance Warmack and Johnathan Cooper come to mind in that respect.  And they didn't live up to the hype. It would be interesting though to look at the last ten years to see if there is a position that is the safest bet.

Edited January 2 by billiejean

[JamesA119]

  1 hour ago, PalmBayRaven said:

  2 hours ago, Dusty said:

  3 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Joe gotta go! Can't blame Ozzie and Co. and Harbs for this season Joe did not play up to what was expected of him because he had the pieces on Offense period point blank! QB #1 pick and do the regular draft process! THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING! SMH

Whatever you're smoking you need to blow it out 'cus it's destroying your judgement. Flacco needs to go? Who are you going to put at QB? Tell me, who? We live in a world where Kirk Cousins is a keeper!

We need to fire our entire defense except for maybe for 6-8 players. THAT would be a start.

I honestly want you to tell me who you would pick up to be QB if you got rid of Flacco. I can't wait to hear this answer...

Here's my 2cents- Flacco was rated 25th in league before the game- probably drops to 27th after and there are only 32 teams. Almost anyone would be better than Flacco at this point. Don't get me wrong I like Joe, he's a nice guy ect but he has Sucked since signing the contract. Has forgotten basic mechanics and can't read defenses. We can't unload yet but as soon as we can we should.

Cam Newton is 5 spots lower than Flacco. Using your logic, Cam is one of the worst QBs ever and the Panthers should dump him immediately....smh. According to ESPN (Idk where you get your rankings), Flacco is 18th in QBR - ahead of Newton, Wentz, Dalton, Manning, etc.

You say get rid of Flacco but you offer no REAL solution. If finding an above average QB was easy, the Browns, Jets, Rams, Eagles, Texans, Bills would have had one by now. All of these teams have drafted at least 1 or 2 QBs in the 1st Round and still haven't found one.

Are you a Ravens fan or Flacco's groupie? Flacco has not lived up to his contract. He is in the top 5 for salary and bottom 10 in productivity. That's a huge disparity. I clearly understand any fan's frustration. It's not the job of the fan to provide Ozzie with alternatives to an underachieving QB.

[Moderator 3]

9 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Are you a Ravens fan or Flacco's groupie? Flacco has not lived up to his contract. He is in the top 5 for salary and bottom 10 in productivity. That's a huge disparity. I clearly understand any fan's frustration. It's not the job of the fan to provide Ozzie with alternatives to an underachieving QB.

So, in other words, you just want to complain.  Okay, got it.  

[JamesA119]

  34 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Are you a Ravens fan or Flacco's groupie? Flacco has not lived up to his contract. He is in the top 5 for salary and bottom 10 in productivity. That's a huge disparity. I clearly understand any fan's frustration. It's not the job of the fan to provide Ozzie with alternatives to an underachieving QB.

So, in other words, you just want to complain.  Okay, got it.  

Not a complain. I just find that there are certain element who always want to minimize how badly Flacco has played since 2012 while tying up so much money. I know I only speak for myself; I don't care if the Browns, the Rams, Texans, 49ers etc have had 100 QBs. I only care about the play of our QBs. I don't look to those teams for solace, rather I look at Pittsburgh, New England, Seattle, Greenbay etc. why can't our QB play like those QBs.
We aspire for the best WRs, CBs, Oline men, pass rushers, RBs. Why can't we aspire for the best QBs? We know the position is the hardest position in football, but our QB has had the keys since his rookie year. He has had all the support of the organization. They've never tried to undermine him. Why can't he reciprocate?

[20306cab]

Bottom line. PJ and SRJ are just as bad as they've always been without the cover of Ray Lewis.

[law215]

Firing Harbaugh or losing Flacco would be the dumbest thing the Ravens can do. The secondary is extremely slow. The pass rush is extremely old. The WR bunch is extremely average. Perriman has a steep learning curve and we have no legit playmakers at wideout. CB, OLB, WR. Fix any 2 of those 3 and we will have a better record next year. Also a must - get an OC that works well with Flacco like Kubiak once did. Flacco is not the problem, when he's put into a system that works for him. He's an above avg system QB. Making extreme moves like cutting HC or QB will only push us back onto the Browns level.

In other words

the slow secondary
weak pass rush
poor Wr bunch
game plan of OC or offensive system


are not Harbs responsibility? If not Harbs responsibility , then who is to blame?

How about being 31-33 over the last 4 years?

Maybe the problem is having a head coach who has so little responsibility in the problems that he is clueless on how to fix them.

[goldenboldin]

  1 hour ago, goldenboldin said:

Firing Harbaugh or losing Flacco would be the dumbest thing the Ravens can do. The secondary is extremely slow. The pass rush is extremely old. The WR bunch is extremely average. Perriman has a steep learning curve and we have no legit playmakers at wideout. CB, OLB, WR. Fix any 2 of those 3 and we will have a better record next year. Also a must - get an OC that works well with Flacco like Kubiak once did. Flacco is not the problem, when he's put into a system that works for him. He's an above avg system QB. Making extreme moves like cutting HC or QB will only push us back onto the Browns level.

In other words

the slow secondary
weak pass rush
poor Wr bunch
game plan of OC or offensive system


are not Harbs responsibility? If not Harbs responsibility , then who is to blame?

How about being 31-33 over the last 4 years?

Maybe the problem is having a head coach who has so little responsibility in the problems that he is clueless on how to fix them.

No I don't think its all Harbs responsibility. We're not playing Madden here. Every team in the league has flaws that every other team tries to exploit. You can't have amazing players at every position. The accountability falls on how well scouts are ranking and drafting players, how much cap we have to sign top tier free agents versus distributing across multiple average players, and honestly just pure luck of how games go. Responsibility is everyones - Ozzie, DeCosta, Harbaugh, Marty, Pees, Position Coaches, and Players. It's not Harbaugh's job to do everyone else's job. Over the past 4 years you mentioned we lost Kubiak to Denver (purely circumstantial), have had some mediocre draft picks, and had little to no cap space. So yeah it's more complicated than any one guy.

[PalmBayRaven]

  2 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

  3 hours ago, Dusty said:

  4 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Joe gotta go! Can't blame Ozzie and Co. and Harbs for this season Joe did not play up to what was expected of him because he had the pieces on Offense period point blank! QB #1 pick and do the regular draft process! THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING! SMH

Whatever you're smoking you need to blow it out 'cus it's destroying your judgement. Flacco needs to go? Who are you going to put at QB? Tell me, who? We live in a world where Kirk Cousins is a keeper!

We need to fire our entire defense except for maybe for 6-8 players. THAT would be a start.

I honestly want you to tell me who you would pick up to be QB if you got rid of Flacco. I can't wait to hear this answer...

Here's my 2cents- Flacco was rated 25th in league before the game- probably drops to 27th after and there are only 32 teams. Almost anyone would be better than Flacco at this point. Don't get me wrong I like Joe, he's a nice guy ect but he has Sucked since signing the contract. Has forgotten basic mechanics and can't read defenses. We can't unload yet but as soon as we can we should.

Cam Newton is 5 spots lower than Flacco. Using your logic, Cam is one of the worst QBs ever and the Panthers should dump him immediately....smh. According to ESPN (Idk where you get your rankings), Flacco is 18th in QBR - ahead of Newton, Wentz, Dalton, Manning, etc.

You say get rid of Flacco but you offer no REAL solution. If finding an above average QB was easy, the Browns, Jets, Rams, Eagles, Texans, Bills would have had one by now. All of these teams have drafted at least 1 or 2 QBs in the 1st Round and still haven't found one.

Joe is not above average QB. The last few seasons he has been subpar. He is not worth the price we are paying him. We are paying him as if he is top 10 Elite QB which he is not. We can't get rid of him anyway right now. Rams and Eagles have drafted their QB's. Rams chose to sit Goff most of year. Wentz however played well for a rookie. Cowboys, Broncos and Seahawks seemed to get their QB's in the 3rd round of draft. Flacco has played terrible this year for a 9 year veteran. How would you explain his regression on basic mechanics?

[Ravensfolyfe]

Kub retiring would he give us another chance to fix the offense.

[The Beak]

58 minutes ago, law215 said:

In other words

the slow secondary
weak pass rush
poor Wr bunch
game plan of OC or offensive system


are not Harbs responsibility? If not Harbs responsibility , then who is to blame?

How about being 31-33 over the last 4 years?

Maybe the problem is having a head coach who has so little responsibility in the problems that he is clueless on how to fix them.
 

JHarbaugh is directly responsible for this teams , lack of fire , lack of moxy, lack of an identity, if you watch his pressers , its always the same , he holds no one accountable. I'll give Joe one more year due to his injury, but Kubiak showed what good coaching at the OC position should look like. Defend JH all you want, but this team ," Raven football" has become too nice , just like JH.. Bring back Rex if we lose at least we won't act like it's no big deal...

[law215]

First cuts.

1. Joe Hortiz is in his 19th season with the Ravens and 7th as Baltimore’s director of college scouting. He is responsible for all aspects of the college process, coordinating the schedules and cross-checking duties of the area and regional scouts. Hortiz also manages the team’s draft preparation and the evaluation and ranking process of hundreds of NFL draft-eligible prospects.

If he is in his 7th year, then that matches the time when the Ravens drafts really declined. 2009 – present. Long list since 2009 of failure to effectively evaluate talent

He will be gone before Steve even considers releasing OZ.

2. Marty Mornhinweg who is in his second year with the Ravens, took over as offensive coordinator after Week 5 in 2016. He originally joined the Ravens in 2015 as quarterbacks coach. Prior to his 2015 Baltimore arrival, the 22-year NFL coaching veteran spent the 2013-14 seasons as offensive coordinator of the New York Jets

So he’s been with the Ravens and Jets. Both offensive units stink and QBs don’t progress. He should not make it pass tomorrow imo.

3. Juan/ Castillo, a 35-year coaching veteran, is in his fourth season with the Ravens and his third as the team’s offensive line coach. Castillo was promoted to coach the offensive line in 2014 after serving as the Ravens’ run game coordinator in 2013. Last season (2015), Castillo guided an offensive line that helped produce a franchise-record 4,271 net passing yards and the second-most total net yards (5,749) in team history. In 2014, Castillo led an O-line that permitted just 19 sacks, the second fewest in team history (17 in 2006), ranking behind only Denver (17) as the NFL’s fewest.

Ravens have not been a good run team since Castillo was hired. His 2014 accomplishments align with when Kubiak was here.

Failed to develop o-linemen. Hurst, Jensen, Wesley which limits quality depth. His title as run game coordinator was a bad joke.

[goldenboldin]

First cuts.

1. Joe Hortiz is in his 19th season with the Ravens and 7th as Baltimore’s director of college scouting. He is responsible for all aspects of the college process, coordinating the schedules and cross-checking duties of the area and regional scouts. Hortiz also manages the team’s draft preparation and the evaluation and ranking process of hundreds of NFL draft-eligible prospects.

If he is in his 7th year, then that matches the time when the Ravens drafts really declined. 2009 – present. Long list since 2009 of failure to effectively evaluate talent

He will be gone before Steve even considers releasing OZ.

2. Marty Mornhinweg who is in his second year with the Ravens, took over as offensive coordinator after Week 5 in 2016. He originally joined the Ravens in 2015 as quarterbacks coach. Prior to his 2015 Baltimore arrival, the 22-year NFL coaching veteran spent the 2013-14 seasons as offensive coordinator of the New York Jets

So he’s been with the Ravens and Jets. Both offensive units stink and QBs don’t progress. He should not make it pass tomorrow imo.

3. Juan/ Castillo, a 35-year coaching veteran, is in his fourth season with the Ravens and his third as the team’s offensive line coach. Castillo was promoted to coach the offensive line in 2014 after serving as the Ravens’ run game coordinator in 2013. Last season (2015), Castillo guided an offensive line that helped produce a franchise-record 4,271 net passing yards and the second-most total net yards (5,749) in team history. In 2014, Castillo led an O-line that permitted just 19 sacks, the second fewest in team history (17 in 2006), ranking behind only Denver (17) as the NFL’s fewest.

Ravens have not been a good run team since Castillo was hired. His 2014 accomplishments align with when Kubiak was here.

Failed to develop o-linemen. Hurst, Jensen, Wesley which limits quality depth. His title as run game coordinator was a bad joke.

Right on. All three cuts sounds warranted for sure.

[coreyadams]

Well we are who we thought we are middle of the pack. Coaching staff sucks.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  4 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

  4 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

Are you a Ravens fan or Flacco's groupie? Flacco has not lived up to his contract. He is in the top 5 for salary and bottom 10 in productivity. That's a huge disparity. I clearly understand any fan's frustration. It's not the job of the fan to provide Ozzie with alternatives to an underachieving QB.

So, in other words, you just want to complain.  Okay, got it.  

Not a complain. I just find that there are certain element who always want to minimize how badly Flacco has played since 2012 while tying up so much money. I know I only speak for myself; I don't care if the Browns, the Rams, Texans, 49ers etc have had 100 QBs. I only care about the play of our QBs. I don't look to those teams for solace, rather I look at Pittsburgh, New England, Seattle, Greenbay etc. why can't our QB play like those QBs.
We aspire for the best WRs, CBs, Oline men, pass rushers, RBs. Why can't we aspire for the best QBs? We know the position is the hardest position in football, but our QB has had the keys since his rookie year. He has had all the support of the organization. They've never tried to undermine him. Why can't he reciprocate?

Why can't Terence West play like Walton Payton or Barry Sanders? Same comparison you're trying to make with Flacco. Ben & Brady are HOF QB's - Flacco is not nor will he ever be - yet you condemn him for not being one. He is what he has always been - a strong armed QB that sometimes makes great throws but also makes bonehead throws. But just like in the games this year against JAX, OAK, NYG, WAS, PIT, when the game is on the line, Joe can drive down the field in the final minutes of the 4th quarter for the game winning score. That's who he has always been and who he will always be.

For the record, Aaron Rodgers & Big Ben have not won anything since getting their big contracts either and Flacco has a more recent SB win. Also, Flacco stat line this year - 4,317/20TD/14 INT. Russell Wilson stat line this year - 4,219/21TD/11INT...not as much difference as you claim.

[20306cab]

  8 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

  8 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

  8 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

Are you a Ravens fan or Flacco's groupie? Flacco has not lived up to his contract. He is in the top 5 for salary and bottom 10 in productivity. That's a huge disparity. I clearly understand any fan's frustration. It's not the job of the fan to provide Ozzie with alternatives to an underachieving QB.

So, in other words, you just want to complain.  Okay, got it.  

Not a complain. I just find that there are certain element who always want to minimize how badly Flacco has played since 2012 while tying up so much money. I know I only speak for myself; I don't care if the Browns, the Rams, Texans, 49ers etc have had 100 QBs. I only care about the play of our QBs. I don't look to those teams for solace, rather I look at Pittsburgh, New England, Seattle, Greenbay etc. why can't our QB play like those QBs.
We aspire for the best WRs, CBs, Oline men, pass rushers, RBs. Why can't we aspire for the best QBs? We know the position is the hardest position in football, but our QB has had the keys since his rookie year. He has had all the support of the organization. They've never tried to undermine him. Why can't he reciprocate?

Why can't Terence West play like Walton Payton or Barry Sanders? Same comparison you're trying to make with Flacco. Ben & Brady are HOF QB's - Flacco is not nor will he ever be - yet you condemn him for not being one. He is what he has always been - a strong armed QB that sometimes makes great throws but also makes bonehead throws. But just like in the games this year against JAX, OAK, NYG, WAS, PIT, when the game is on the line, Joe can drive down the field in the final minutes of the 4th quarter for the game winning score. That's who he has always been and who he will always be.

For the record, Aaron Rodgers & Big Ben have not won anything since getting their big contracts either and Flacco has a more recent SB win. Also, Flacco stat line this year - 4,317/20TD/14 INT. Russell Wilson stat line this year - 4,219/21TD/11INT...not as much difference as you claim.

Russell Wilson lifetime rating - 99.6%; 2,689 Rush yds. 5 yrs.
Pathetic Joe lifetime rating - 84.5% 712 Rush yds. 9 yrs.

[Rav'n Maniac]

What a dismal way to end a season. It would have been much worse if we had beaten the Steelers last week and played like we did yesterday. The lack of playmakers and quality coaching is truly evident with this team.