Week 17: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, Vent/Rant Bengal Version

[ludy51]

I'll day this for those of you who want to fire Harbs's:

If his job had actually been on the line, you would've seen the exact opposite of what we saw today.

[rmcjacket23]

27 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

I'll day this for those of you who want to fire Harbs's:

If his job had actually been on the line, you would've seen the exact opposite of what we saw today.

Certainly no guarantee to that. John can't go out there and play. He can be as motivational as possible, but he can't make anybody do anything.

 

[Tank 92]

33 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

I'll day this for those of you who want to fire Harbs's:

If his job had actually been on the line, you would've seen the exact opposite of what we saw today.

I said it elsewhere..... These guys are humans and not machines. They had a tough, hard faught win pulled away from them in the last seconds on Christmas Day that ended their season. Whether they wanted it to or not, that had to have a huge negative effect on the effort today in a game that really meant nothing. 

[Militant X 1]

13 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I said it elsewhere..... These guys are humans and not machines. They had a tough, hard faught win pulled away from them in the last seconds on Christmas Day that ended their season. Whether they wanted it to or not, that had to have a huge negative effect on the effort today in a game that really meant nothing. 

So how do you explain the 5-9-1 Bengals performance today?  You know...since they also had to play in this "mean nothing" game as well?

[robbie29]

One thing that will help get Flacco better protection and better receivers- pay cut. Flacco can show that he is truly committed to team improvement by reducing his salary. For crying out loud- his cap hit will be 10 million MORE than Tom Brady's in 2017! There is no way Joe or his agent can justify getting that much. Imagine if we had an extra 10 million to spend this off-season. That's enough to sign a quality center plus a receiver that would be better than anyone left on the roster after SSS is gone. Joe simply isn't worth the $24 mil he's due to get in 2017. Guess we'll find out how much of a team player he is this off-season.

[HazDaGeneral]

1 minute ago, Militant X 1 said:

So how do you explain the 5-9-1 Bengals performance today?  You know...since they also had to play in this "mean nothing" game as well?

People try to give Harbs a pass on his last couple of seasons cause of his track record.....but man this team quit way before the steelers game they quit when they lost to the jets.....the freaking jets smh 

[HazDaGeneral]

2 minutes ago, robbie29 said:

One thing that will help get Flacco better protection and better receivers- pay cut. Flacco can show that he is truly committed to team improvement by reducing his salary. For crying out loud- his cap hit will be 10 million MORE than Tom Brady's in 2017! There is no way Joe or his agent can justify getting that much. Imagine if we had an extra 10 million to spend this off-season. That's enough to sign a quality center plus a receiver that would be better than anyone left on the roster after SSS is gone. Joe simply isn't worth the $24 mil he's due to get in 2017. Guess we'll find out how much of a team player he is this off-season.

 

The ravens got duped into that contract.....me personally I would of let him walked cause now they are stuck with him cause they cant trade him with that cap hit and for sure cant release him so good job ravens smh 

[Tank 92]

32 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

So how do you explain the 5-9-1 Bengals performance today?  You know...since they also had to play in this "mean nothing" game as well?

Ummmmm.........you know. They didn't get knocked out of the playoffs on the last play of the game on Christmas Day?   You know.....when it looked like they had a chance to be in the playoffs with a minute left in that game?  Kinda like.......They faught their tales off in a hated opponents stadium for 59 minutes only to come away with zero?   You can't get with that train of thought? 

Edited January 2 by Tank 92

[Wisdom]

38 minutes ago, HazDaGeneral said:

The ravens got duped into that contract.....me personally I would of let him walked cause now they are stuck with him cause they cant trade him with that cap hit and for sure cant release him so good job ravens smh 

Duped indeed. The fact he is being paid like a HOF QB is unbelievable and shameful!!!

[Cillmatic]

Stanley was quietly REALLY good this month. Looks like we got a franchise LT. That and a serviceable QB are the most important positions in football. If we upgrade our center we should have a really good O-line next season. I'm cautiously optimistic. 

[RavensFanMania]

7 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Stanley was quietly REALLY good this month. Looks like we got a franchise LT. That and a serviceable QB are the most important positions in football. If we upgrade our center we should have a really good O-line next season. I'm cautiously optimistic. 

Totally agree.  We do need an offensive coordinator that can take advantage of our weapons and work the opposing teams weaknesses.  We have been hindered ever since kubiak left for Denver.

[Militant X 1]

45 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Ummmmm.........you know. They didn't get knocked out of the playoffs on the last play of the game on Christmas Day?   You know.....when it looked like they had a chance to be in the playoffs with a minute left in that game?  Kinda like.......They faught their tales off in a hated opponents stadium for 59 minutes only to come away with zero?   You can't get with that train of thought? 

It's not that I can't get with that specific train of thought.  That just comes off as another weak-minded excuse for the Ravens piss poor game play to me.  I get all of that hard fought loss on Christmas Day against their hated rival and in their stadium jargon.  However, the reality is that these are extremely well paid professionals that have a job to do and knew it had to get done. They get the schedule prior to we fans so they knew that they'd be on the road and away from their families and friends during both Christmas Day and the New Year.  

The Bengals also had nothing to play for from an emotional and a playoff standpoint and yet, found a way to get up for that game against their foes and sent them a message in doing so.  Maybe being in front of their fans gave them extra motivation?  But, remember, the Ravens also had motivation to play well....they talked all week long about finishing with a "winning" season of 9-7 and then of course there's....Steve Smith, Sr.  They came out with a blah attitude and mindset and it showed in their gameplay.

Edited January 2 by Militant X 1

[rayfarrow]

"The ravens got duped into that contract.....me personally I would of let him walked cause now they are stuck with him cause they cant trade him with that cap hit and for sure cant release him so good job ravens smh"

 

How do you figure the Ravens got duped? Did Joe Linta put new figures in invisible ink on the contract? Did he hold a gun to the head of the Ravens' FO? From what I read, Flacco would have signed for $16 million a year, but the Ravens balked over a difference of a million dollars in one of the later years. 

And he's not getting HOF money; he got "going rate" money on a contract he signed after a historically great postseason run and SB MVP. He took a chance, bet on himself and came up big in 2012. 

Joe drives me to distraction, too. But he and Linda didn't dupe anybody. That's nonsense.

[jaege]

2 hours ago, HazDaGeneral said:

The ravens got duped into that contract.....me personally I would of let him walked cause now they are stuck with him cause they cant trade him with that cap hit and for sure cant release him so good job ravens smh 

So you would have let him walk? And he would have gotten a very similar contract from another team and we would have Shaub, RG3 or Bif Johnson as a QB. There are 32 teams and 12 decent or better QBs.

 

[Moderator 2]

48 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Stanley was quietly REALLY good this month. Looks like we got a franchise LT. That and a serviceable QB are the most important positions in football. If we upgrade our center we should have a really good O-line next season. I'm cautiously optimistic. 

I think Yanda playing next to him really helped him grow.  What can you say bad about Tucker? 

Another thought, I can understand the emotion put forth last week on Christmas and the emotional let down that ensued is understandable.  These guys are a passionate bunch several fathers of children that this was their first Christmas--Williams, Tucker, Flacco, Pitta plus others had a Babies first Christmas, It sounds silly to the teenage and non kid people but trust me it's a HUGE deal.  I'm a mom and RN, I still tear up that I missed my babies first Christmas, I had to work a 12.5 hr day shift --Even though he's 6'2ish, size 14 foot and 24 lol   We cheated and did the whole watch the kid play with the boxes on Christmas Eve he only figured it out when we told him.  Several of the players mentioned it in pressers is why I'm bringing it up .

 

[robbie29]

21 minutes ago, rayfarrow said:

"The ravens got duped into that contract.....me personally I would of let him walked cause now they are stuck with him cause they cant trade him with that cap hit and for sure cant release him so good job ravens smh"

 

How do you figure the Ravens got duped? Did Joe Linta put new figures in invisible ink on the contract? Did he hold a gun to the head of the Ravens' FO? From what I read, Flacco would have signed for $16 million a year, but the Ravens balked over a difference of a million dollars in one of the later years. 

And he's not getting HOF money; he got "going rate" money on a contract he signed after a historically great postseason run and SB MVP. He took a chance, bet on himself and came up big in 2012. 

Joe drives me to distraction, too. But he and Linda didn't dupe anybody. That's nonsense.

I agree that nobody was duped by Flacco.

However I disagree that he's not getting HoF money. He IS getting HOF money. His contract is comparable to Rodgers, Brees, and Brady- all of whom are definitely HOF calibre QBs. The difference is that they consistently play at a HOF level whereas Flacco only did it for 4 games in Jan/Feb 2013. Neither before nor since that postseason run has Joe played four straight games anywhere near that level. Especially since 2012, he has been below average. The widening disparity between his salary and his performance have fans growing more and more frustrated, and IMO we have a right to feel angry with him. 

[Moderator 2]

10 minutes ago, jaege said:

So you would have let him walk? And he would have gotten a very similar contract from another team and we would have Shaub, RG3 or Bif Johnson as a QB. There are 32 teams and 12 decent or better QBs.

 

It's the going rate for a proven SB MVP that the coaching staff knows him and he knows them.  I think the three things that have hindered Joe, it takes 18 months to fully mental and physical recover from ACL he's 13 or 14 months into it and don't forget the hit he took that mangled his knee brace, Ducasse and Zuttah are in Joe's lap half the time, last but not least OC coordinators 5 two in mid season.  They got rid of Jim Zorn who Flacco did well when he was his QB coach and the BEST was Kubiak. Source

 

SEASON	COORDINATOR	WHY THEY LEFT
2016	Mornhinweg	NA
2015-16	Marc Trestman	Fired
2014	Gary Kubiak	Hired as Broncos' HC
2012-13	Jim Caldwell	Hired as Lions' HC
2008-12	Cam Cameron	Fired

[Cillmatic]

For whatever reason, it’s hard to put your finger on it, our emotional level was not where it’s been in the past, and I think that has a lot to do with what happened last week,” Harbaugh said. “Our guys came back and really worked hard. They didn’t sulk, they didn’t pout, they came to work. 

 

You REALLY don't know why Harbs? We have no leadership, something you should be doing.

[BmoreRavens732]

Our guys had no heart for this game. U could see it easily. The will to fight wasn't there. They gave up after last weeks heart breaking loss.

[Tru11]

5 hours ago, Moderator 2 said:

It's the going rate for a proven SB MVP that the coaching staff knows him and he knows them.  I think the three things that have hindered Joe, it takes 18 months to fully mental and physical recover from ACL he's 13 or 14 months into it and don't forget the hit he took that mangled his knee brace, Ducasse and Zuttah are in Joe's lap half the time, last but not least OC coordinators 5 two in mid season.  They got rid of Jim Zorn who Flacco did well when he was his QB coach and the BEST was Kubiak. Source

 

SEASON	COORDINATOR	WHY THEY LEFT
2016	Mornhinweg	NA
2015-16	Marc Trestman	Fired
2014	Gary Kubiak	Hired as Broncos' HC
2012-13	Jim Caldwell	Hired as Lions' HC
2008-12	Cam Cameron	Fired

Caldwell left because the Lions saved us from firing him after that debacle known as the 2013 season.

Doubt he would have remained the OC.....
 

[Tank 92]

8 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

It's not that I can't get with that specific train of thought.  That just comes off as another weak-minded excuse for the Ravens piss poor game play to me.  I get all of that hard fought loss on Christmas Day against their hated rival and in their stadium jargon.  However, the reality is that these are extremely well paid professionals that have a job to do and knew it had to get done. They get the schedule prior to we fans so they knew that they'd be on the road and away from their families and friends during both Christmas Day and the New Year.  

The Bengals also had nothing to play for from an emotional and a playoff standpoint and yet, found a way to get up for that game against their foes and sent them a message in doing so.  Maybe being in front of their fans gave them extra motivation?  But, remember, the Ravens also had motivation to play well....they talked all week long about finishing with a "winning" season of 9-7 and then of course there's....Steve Smith, Sr.  They came out with a blah attitude and mindset and it showed in their gameplay.

Never mind Mili.    lol

[HoldingCall]

Good: Dixon, West.

Bad: Offensive on field decisions and/or play calling! Defensive CB distance from WRs before the snap! LB play against both pass and run! Pass rush!

Ugly: QB accuracy down field and away from center of field. WRs participation was nearly absent in the passing game. OL and backfield pass protection!

 

[stampedehero]

For my Ravens team: You played with no heart, did not give effort for Steve Smith and John Harbaugh.   .0.   You  settled to be an average team. Your fans expect better and were given the fodder of the season in an ugly spineless loss.

This team did not deserve the playoffs.  The Pittsburgh team will advance because they have willpower and goals.  

If we had a miracle last week and played like yesterday's  embarrassment, we would never make it through New England anyway.

    

[stampedehero]

8 hours ago, robbie29 said:

I agree that nobody was duped by Flacco.

However I disagree that he's not getting HoF money. He IS getting HOF money. His contract is comparable to Rodgers, Brees, and Brady- all of whom are definitely HOF calibre QBs. The difference is that they consistently play at a HOF level whereas Flacco only did it for 4 games in Jan/Feb 2013. Neither before nor since that postseason run has Joe played four straight games anywhere near that level. Especially since 2012, he has been below average. The widening disparity between his salary and his performance have fans growing more and more frustrated, and IMO we have a right to feel angry with him. 

.......We don't pay the checks.  Let Biscotti suffer.  

[stampedehero]

11 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

So how do you explain the 5-9-1 Bengals performance today?  You know...since they also had to play in this "mean nothing" game as well?

Mil  Over a few hundred miles away, the Browns had more ambition then US.

[Militant X 1]

3 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Never mind Mili.    lol

Typical Tank. lol  

HAPPY NEW YEAR!! 

2 hours ago, stampedehero said:

Mil  Over a few hundred miles away, the Browns had more ambition then US.

The 1-14 Browns who definitely played in a meaningless game as well as the Ravens was ballin' vs the Steelers Stamp.

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

Typical Tank. lol  

HAPPY NEW YEAR!! 

 

Don't want the beef Mili, and right or wrong you never change your mind anyway.    lol

Happy New Year!    

[January J]

Really sick and tired of losing in Cincinnati. We haven't won there since 2011 I believe. That's ridiculous. What's also ridiculous is continuing to pass the ball inside the 3 yard line on first and goal with a more than capable o line and running back (s)..also baffles me why we kept running behind the right side of the line in short yardage or goal line situations when we've got Stanley and yanda on the left side? Makes no sense. In those situations you run behind the strong side of the line. I honestly don't even know if we did that yesterday BC I couldn't even bring myself to watch the game- (It wasn't televised in my area anyway) but it was something I noticed over the course of the last 3 or 4 games.  I'm just glad we didn't win last week and then go out and get eliminated by losing this game- not that i think that would've happened...but man would that have stung. Not sure which would've been worse. Would've loved to go out with a win- esp it capping off Steve's career- but being 16th in the draft order is atleast one small silver lining and puts us in range to get a game changer. If we have another draft like last years we will be in great shape.

 

20 hours ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

I had mixed feelings about Dean Pees but today I think that's gone. I believe Pees should be let go and we should get new coaches doing the offensive and defensive play calling next season.

I feel the exact same way. I watched his presser after the steelers game and I kinda got the feeling I wanted him back and that it wasn't really on him- but after yesterday I'm just done. A change is needed there. Pagano may get canned so who knows if he may be an option.  If he doesn't retire then I know he has a great relationship with the ravens and Baltimore's a place he would love to be.

20 hours ago, FGSB said:

"B-BUT HE W-WON A SUPER BOWL HALF A DECADE AGO ON THE COATTAILS OF RAY LEWIS HE M-MUST BE G-GOOD RIGHT?!?!"
 

Its a shame we extended him. Hes the main problem no matter how much you want to bury your head in the sand. He can't hire a good OC and he can't see that his DC is garbage

Give it a rest dude.

20 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

The Good: Hopefully Pees has seen his last game as a DC in this league. We see Zuttah and Ducasse are no more than backups at best. Elam finally goes bye. Better draft pick. The OL showed who stays and who goes. We don't have to worry about paying BWill  

Bad. We need to get rid of Pitta  force Joe to target others over the bum safety valve  

 

You could be a little less harsh on pitta and have a little more respect for somebody who should be the comeback player of the year. Nearly EVERYBODY was saying he needed to hang up his cleats- no one expected him to return or have an impact at a position where we were stacked. Well- we quickly went from stacked to depleted- and not only did he bail us out but he led the freakin team in receptions. I get that a lot of them were garbage check downs and blazay blah but that's still a hell of a feat for somebody who was thought to be done- so just think about that and go easy on the guy.

19 hours ago, HazDaGeneral said:

lol man HARBS dont never just say what is right regardless if the performance is pathetic i mean look at this quote too

Drew Forrester ‏@itsahooded4iron  41m41 minutes ago

Harbaugh: "We did not play well, especially in the first half. I'm proud of the way they worked though. We're going forward from here."

Hmm, so I guess he should've said " We played well, especially in the first half. I'm not proud of the way we worked though. Were going backwards from here." 

18 hours ago, robbie29 said:

*only when he catches the ball

Man y'all are ruthless when it comes to Perriman. Go easy and cut the kid a little slack. It's not like he dropped that many passes. What , 4 or 5 maybe? That's pretty common even for long time veterans. Go look and tell me how many drops Steve has had in his first 2 years here in Baltimore.

18 hours ago, rmw10 said:

If only he could run routes consistently.  That one flat route he ran on what I believe was his first target was very, very bad.  Hopefully a full offseason of work will help him develop there

Yep, he's had a grand total of one day of training camp since entering the NFL. And he still has shown improvement. Alot of y'all didn't even expect him ready for the season - and he played all year long and showed up every game healthy.

14 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Stanley was quietly REALLY good this month. Looks like we got a franchise LT. That and a serviceable QB are the most important positions in football. If we upgrade our center we should have a really good O-line next season. I'm cautiously optimistic. 

Yep, along with Alex Lewis who was a pleasant surprise and very solid. We need to retain Wagner and get a new Center like you said- and Dixon could be in for a real breakout year.

Edited January 2 by January J

[RavenManiac#7]

Been watching Harbaugh lose this team for a while now. It seems blatantly obvious now. These players don't want to play for him. They don't respect him and don't buy into his phony excuses and bologna he blabbers during his post game pressers. He's no leader and is afraid to have real leaders anywhere on his team or staff.

[terrynjulia03]

20 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

For anyone that has ever said Aiken was a decent receiver 

 

 

LOL Told You So 

Don't know why you got negged for this post. Guess the usuals don't like the truth. Aiken is a #3 at best. Even Brady couldn't throw him open more than a time or 2 a game.