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[hen826957]

4 hours ago, Jon_21 said:

Webb coming back at a reduced salary is a huge addition.  Really helps out depth and versatility.  

Cornerbacks - Smith, Young, Carr

Safeties - Weddle, Jefferson

Hybrid S/CB - Webb

That is a pretty darn good core.  Plus add in whoever we likely draft in the first 3 rounds, a combination of young talent (Canady/Daniel/Price/Rolle) and a vet (one of Arrington or Powers most likely on a vet minimum deal)

I have yet to see anything on Dumervil out there since he was cut.  Would it be crazy for him to return on a vet minimum type deal with NLTBE incentives for sacks?  

In an ideal world we re-sign Webb & Dumervil for vet minimum type deals, get Mangold & Dunlap for $2-3M a year over 2-3 years to stretch out the cap him.  We ready to draft with no glaring holes. 

Imagine having Sidney Jones in the mix. Jimmy Smith, Brandon Carr, Tavon/Sidney in the slot; Jefferson & Weddle as safeties alone with Webb as safety depth. Secondary is be shaping up to be pretty good. 👍

[Purple&Black#20]

32 minutes ago, mc_red23 said:

Is Canady not a corner? Webb will provide safety depth.

He is listed as a corner just like Webb was listed 1 year ago. Webb came out of college as a safety but we played him at corner so what's your point. Y'all keep screaming depth and holding on to average players. Why not sign D.J Swearinger if that's all we looking for.  At least he brings an attitude. Webb was best at a slot corner covering guys like Wes Welker. That time has come and gone. 

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

He is listed as a corner just like Webb was listed 1 year ago. Webb came out of college as a safety but we played him at corner so what's your point. Y'all keep screaming depth and holding on to average players. Why not sign D.J Swearinger if that's all we looking for.  At least he brings an attitude. Webb was best at a slot corner covering guys like Wes Welker. That time has come and gone. 

Would be difficult to sign Swearinger, given that he's under contract with the Redskins...

And depth players are mostly average players by definition. If they were significantly better than average, then they probably wouldn't be depth... they'd be starters.

Feel free to point me in the direction of a team that has a really good third safety. There's more teams that don't even have one good safety than there are teams with 3 good one's.

Edited April 6 by rmcjacket23

[Davesta]

What 20's jersey number still available? You know jeffy gonna want a nice looking one if 21 coming back. He should of rock 23 to paired up with weddle's 32. Haha

[Purple&Black#20]

28 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Would be difficult to sign Swearinger, given that he's under contract with the Redskins...

And depth players are mostly average players by definition. If they were significantly better than average, then they probably wouldn't be depth... they'd be starters.

Feel free to point me in the direction of a team that has a really good third safety. There's more teams that don't even have one good safety than there are teams with 3 good one's.

Thanks for that update on swearinger. I appreciate that. Has Webb visited any teams? Do you ask yourself why he's still available on the market? Because only you and Ravens wants him. Webb at his best was a slot corner mirroring guys like Wes Welker. Is Darius Byrd still available because take him at safety depth over webb any day. The 2016 Kansas city Chiefs had like 4 safeties that's why they almost let Berry walk.

[rmw10]

8 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Thanks for that update on swearinger. I appreciate that. Has Webb visited any teams? Do you ask yourself why he's still available on the market? Because only you and Ravens wants him. Webb at his best was a slot corner mirroring guys like Wes Welker. Is Darius Byrd still available because take him at safety depth over webb any day. The 2016 Kansas city Chiefs had like 4 safeties that's why they almost let Berry walk.

Did you not watch Webb last year?  He was a quality starter who made a huge difference for us.  He might not have been a playmaker but he played smart, solid football.  Getting him back as depth is a no brainer.

[Tank 92]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Did you not watch Webb last year?  He was a quality starter who made a huge difference for us.  He might not have been a playmaker but he played smart, solid football.  Getting him back as depth is a no brainer.

Yeah, last year was his best, most consistent contribution since 2011. Would great to have him back. 

[hen826957]

25 minutes ago, Davesta said:

What 20's jersey number still available? You know jeffy gonna want a nice looking one if 21 coming back. He should of rock 23 to paired up with weddle's 32. Haha

I like 23 for Jefferson better than 21 as well. 👍

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Yeah, last year was his best, most consistent contribution since 2011. Would great to have him back. 

Yep.  Lack of athleticism didn't play anymore at CB, but you can get away with it at S.  He's always been a smart and disciplined player, and that's why he was able to rebound.

[RayRayRaven]

1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Move on from Webb. We are drafting a corner in the first 3 rounds anyway and need to give younger guys like Canady more playing time. 

nah take him back if possble one of the big mistaks we make is thinkin a younger guy is gonna fill in for a vet. yr and yr and yr in and out they make that same errar

[Purple&Black#20]

26 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Did you not watch Webb last year?  He was a quality starter who made a huge difference for us.  He might not have been a playmaker but he played smart, solid football.  Getting him back as depth is a no brainer.

Huge difference? Weddle was the difference in the secondary. The reason you saying he played solid was because how awful Kendrick Lewis was. Yes, he didn't make the same bone head plays like him but I don't think we'll miss him at all. I want the old Ravens  defense back, fast physical and tuff. Nobody fears us anymore!! 

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Thanks for that update on swearinger. I appreciate that. Has Webb visited any teams? Do you ask yourself why he's still available on the market? Because only you and Ravens wants him. Webb at his best was a slot corner mirroring guys like Wes Welker. Is Darius Byrd still available because take him at safety depth over webb any day. The 2016 Kansas city Chiefs had like 4 safeties that's why they almost let Berry walk.

Same could be said of any FA available. People want us to sign Mangold or Boldin or a bunch of other guys... why are they still unsigned? Most recent game film would definitely show Webb as a better safety than Byrd. But then again... Byrd is still available also, so you'd have to ask yourself why is he still on the market and nobody wants him? Same principle applies.

Every team has 4 safeties... the question is whether any of them are any good. Chiefs weren't that close to letting Berry walk. If they thought their 3rd safety was really good, then they wouldn't have given Berry an all-time contract for a S.

Its a pretty laughable notion that teams are just walking around with great players on their bench. There aren't even like probably 30-40 good safeties in the entire league. The idea that an individual team is sitting on 3 or 4 of them isn't very realistic.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Huge difference? Weddle was the difference in the secondary. The reason you saying he played solid was because how awful Kendrick Lewis was. Yes, he didn't make the same bone head plays like him but I don't think we'll miss him at all. I want the old Ravens  defense back, fast physical and tuff. Nobody fears us anymore!! 

Name one old school smash mouth defense in the NFL right now.

 

Thanks to the change in the rules we can't exactly do that. We got the closest thing to a smash mouth player with Jefferson, and he's more than good enough in coverage to get away with it. 

 

And dude, Webb was a top 15 safety in the league last year and really came on in the second half of the season. Given that there are 64 starting safeties, 15 is pretty damn good. And he'd be our THIRD GUY. 

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Huge difference? Weddle was the difference in the secondary. The reason you saying he played solid was because how awful Kendrick Lewis was. Yes, he didn't make the same bone head plays like him but I don't think we'll miss him at all. I want the old Ravens  defense back, fast physical and tuff. Nobody fears us anymore!! 

We shouldn't miss him, because he's not a starter anymore.

Now if Weddle or Jefferson gets hurt, its a different story. Not exactly sure if you've looked at the guys we've got behind them currently, but it ain't exactly "average depth" either.

 

[rmw10]

15 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Huge difference? Weddle was the difference in the secondary. The reason you saying he played solid was because how awful Kendrick Lewis was. Yes, he didn't make the same bone head plays like him but I don't think we'll miss him at all. I want the old Ravens  defense back, fast physical and tuff. Nobody fears us anymore!! 

It's clear you have 0 concept of depth.

[usmccharles]

24 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Huge difference? Weddle was the difference in the secondary. The reason you saying he played solid was because how awful Kendrick Lewis was. Yes, he didn't make the same bone head plays like him but I don't think we'll miss him at all. I want the old Ravens  defense back, fast physical and tuff. Nobody fears us anymore!! 

Did you watch any Ravens games?  Webb finally looked comfortable since all his injuries and his football IQ is what let him excel back there.  I cant understand (nor anyone else obviously) how you think bringing back Webb, who was a starter for us and a top 15 safety in the league, as a backup is a bad idea.

[DomMcRaven]

Kinda sorta off-topic, but if these moves come into fruition and we really address the pass-rush in the draft, I believe this defense will be even better than last season's "#1 defense."

[Purple&Black#20]

If Webb was the 15 ranked safety out of 64 then you would think teams would of been happy of his release. Jumped all over him but they didn't.  Did he do his job...yes!!! He didn't let the ball go over his ( kept everything in front) head. He's 12 - 15 yards off the ball. If he's so great, left as a starter and come back as a back up! Okay,  will Webb make a impact on special? He is to injury prone. I'm done and hope I'm wrong!

[The Raven]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Did you not watch Webb last year?  He was a quality starter who made a huge difference for us.  He might not have been a playmaker but he played smart, solid football.  Getting him back as depth is a no brainer.

Idk, I know I didn't watch him. Kinda hard to watch a DB on TV when the ball never gets thrown their way  

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

If Webb was the 15 ranked safety out of 64 then you would think teams would of been happy of his release. Jumped all over him but they didn't.  Did he do his job...yes!!! He didn't let the ball go over his ( kept everything in front) head. He's 12 - 15 yards off the ball. If he's so great, left as a starter and come back as a back up! Okay,  will Webb make a impact on special? He is to injury prone. I'm done and hope I'm wrong!

Ladarius Webb is 31 years old and this year draft is consider deep in secondary talent.No team is going to rush to sign him at the moment and probably want to wait until after the draft so they can get him cheaper. Corey Graham is the same age as Webb and to my understanding he played quite well at the safety position and he's still a free agent. Other guys like Jonathan Hankins,Perry Riley, Gerald Hodges,Jared Odrick,Erik Walden,  and are good player that are still free agents.

[hen826957]

37 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Ladarius Webb is 31 years old and this year draft is consider deep in secondary talent.No team is going to rush to sign him at the moment and probably want to wait until after the draft so they can get him cheaper. Corey Graham is the same age as Webb and to my understanding he played quite well at the safety position and he's still a free agent. Other guys like Jonathan Hankins,Perry Riley, Gerald Hodges,Jared Odrick,Erik Walden,  and are good player that are still free agents.

I wouldn't mind getting Corey Graham back. He could provide us corner and safety depth. That's another great idea but they likely will sign Webb instead. 

[rossihunter2]

9 hours ago, hen826957 said:

I wouldn't mind getting Corey Graham back. He could provide us corner and safety depth. That's another great idea but they likely will sign Webb instead. 

How are any of those options better than webby who in his first season at safety showed solid play and created a nice tandem with weddle - at worst he comes in as solid depth but he could also potentially allow pees to get creative with Jefferson and weddle to maybe offset the loss of Orr in coverage

[jboy19]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

How are any of those options better than webby who in his first season at safety showed solid play and created a nice tandem with weddle - at worst he comes in as solid depth but he could also potentially allow pees to get creative with Jefferson and weddle to maybe offset the loss of Orr in coverage

I still think bringing Webb back is the best plan. I'm still worried about throwing Correa/Onwuasor out there to fill Orr's role because neither of them really (at this point) has the instincts and coverage range that Orr had. Jefferson did a lot of the same things in Arizona that Orr did last year and sticking him in the safety role that Webb played last year (imo) would be a waste of his true talent. Someone on the team needs to be the guy that will do things like neutralize TEs and deal with guys like LeVeon Bell catching passes out of the backfield- bringing back Webb would allow Jefferson to become that guy first, and a true safety second. 

[rmcjacket23]

13 hours ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

If Webb was the 15 ranked safety out of 64 then you would think teams would of been happy of his release. Jumped all over him but they didn't.  Did he do his job...yes!!! He didn't let the ball go over his ( kept everything in front) head. He's 12 - 15 yards off the ball. If he's so great, left as a starter and come back as a back up! Okay,  will Webb make a impact on special? He is to injury prone. I'm done and hope I'm wrong!

Obviously the FO doesn't think he's great... they spent a lot of money on his replacement and then cut him.

But as a depth player he's more than fine.

Just seems to me that you think teams have starting caliber players as backups everywhere in this league. Doesn't really work that way.

[pep_meister]

Would love to bring doom back on an incentive contract. Vet Min +$500k a sack or something.

[trevorsteadman]

I actually think Webb played better at safety last year than he has played at corner since 2012. He isn't going to hurt the team but that interception last year where he basically ran from one side to the other to get the pick in the end zone was so Ed Reed like. I'm sure he would be better this coming season after having an entire year of safety under his belt. 

Makes me wonder how much Nickel the team plays next season. Could use Jefferson at ILB in nickel sets.

[rmcjacket23]

28 minutes ago, pep_meister said:

Would love to bring doom back on an incentive contract. Vet Min +$500k a sack or something.

He can likely get a better deal elsewhere.

[Underdogsontop!]

I like the possibilities our secondary has coming into 2017. I know our FO has confidence in our young D line but losing Lawrence Guy and Timmy Jernigan leaves us with just 1 starter from last years roster.  Expectations will be high for our run defense to put up the same type of stats we had last year, it's going to be another interesting season. Hope we can land a hungry young pass rusher in this draft!

[hen826957]

On 4/7/2017 at 8:29 AM, rossihunter2 said:

How are any of those options better than webby who in his first season at safety showed solid play and created a nice tandem with weddle - at worst he comes in as solid depth but he could also potentially allow pees to get creative with Jefferson and weddle to maybe offset the loss of Orr in coverage

I didn't mean that he was a better option, l say l wouldn't mind signing him if they didn't want to resign Webb. But now that Webb is back, he could give us good amount of depth in the secondary. I like Webb. 👍

Edited April 8 by hen826957

[Halshayeji]

22 hours ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

If Webb was the 15 ranked safety out of 64 then you would think teams would of been happy of his release. Jumped all over him but they didn't.  Did he do his job...yes!!! He didn't let the ball go over his ( kept everything in front) head. He's 12 - 15 yards off the ball. If he's so great, left as a starter and come back as a back up! Okay,  will Webb make a impact on special? He is to injury prone. I'm done and hope I'm wrong!

I think Webbs release had more to do with the 5.5 mil in cap savings when Jefferson became a viable option. I don't think that our FO saw Safety as an urgent need when the season ended but couldn't resist having a guy in Jefferson who they really liked and could afford by releasing Webb.

Well turns out we still have cap space and Webb is avaliable. Heck why not bring him back? He'd be the best backup in the NFL and would get some playing time when we lay 3 deep. 

Weddle and Jefferson are a Ferrari and Webb is their full coverage insurance lol