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[jazz1988]

5 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Given it was a swap and not a straight up deal for their 74, I think it's pathetic as well. I would have rather had Timmy's production this year and then waited till 2019 for a nice comp pick...

Ravens moved up 25 spots in the third round . I think that's a win for them and that obviously feel comfortable with the talent they have at the defensive line.

[Moderator 3]

Take the Jernigan talk to the new thread now, please.  Gets too weird having the same discussion in two places.

[rmw10]

The Jernigan trade just furthers my stance that I don't see a clear direction with this team?

Are we going to remain competitive?  If so, there an awful lot of holes left to fill with very little cap space to do it.  It's great that we have 4 top 80 picks but hitting on all of those is a rarity.

Are we going through a rebuild of sorts?  If that's the case, why are Pitta and Watson still here, and why did we sign Woodhead and Carr?

Again, maybe I'm just failing to see it, but I'm not sure this team has a direction right now.

[ravefan52]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

The Jernigan trade just furthers my stance that I don't see a clear direction with this team?

Are we going to remain competitive?  If so, there an awful lot of holes left to fill with very little cap space to do it.  It's great that we have 4 top 80 picks but hitting on all of those is a rarity.

Are we going through a rebuild of sorts?  If that's the case, why are Pitta and Watson still here, and why did we sign Woodhead and Carr?

Again, maybe I'm just failing to see it, but I'm not sure this team has a direction right now.

This team is going to look so different than last year's. Pretty crazy that SSS, Wagner, Juice, Doom, Jernigan and Orr will all be gone in one offseason. The FO is probably going to have to draft at least three immediate impact players at positions of need if this team really thinks they're going to get back into contention.

[ellicottraven]

6 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

Take the Jernigan talk to the new thread now, please.  Gets too weird having the same discussion in two places.

31 days Mod! Leave us be and so what if its a little chaotic and disorganized! We are all on our death beds and you want order and logic? Come on man!!!!

Edited April 5 by ellicottraven

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 hours ago, rmw10 said:

The Jernigan trade just furthers my stance that I don't see a clear direction with this team?

Are we going to remain competitive?  If so, there an awful lot of holes left to fill with very little cap space to do it.  It's great that we have 4 top 80 picks but hitting on all of those is a rarity.

Are we going through a rebuild of sorts?  If that's the case, why are Pitta and Watson still here, and why did we sign Woodhead and Carr?

Again, maybe I'm just failing to see it, but I'm not sure this team has a direction right now.

I don't see how what we do with a player who was only going to be here this year really alters what the direction or perception of the teams direction is. 

 

Its a team that thinks they can win now, but won't forego decisions at the expense of the future. 

Were good enough to compete but as not clearly knocking on the SB door they're going to make a move for the future if it presents itself -- especially if the alternative is only a very short term (1 yr) improvement. 

 

Not a complete rebuild in that they think they can make the playoffs as is... and then anything can happen. 

But also a team that's wanting to get younger and build through the draft for one last 4-5 year window of contention while Flacco is still here. 

So if there's a move that's only a slight step back in the very short term, but provides better value years 2-5 they're gonna do it. 

Edited April 5 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[AnthonyGames]

Mangold is visiting Ravens!

[Purple&Black#20]

4 minutes ago, AnthonyGames said:

Mangold is visiting Ravens!

I just saw that!! Some good news. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 minutes ago, AnthonyGames said:

Mangold is visiting Ravens!

Been waiting on this. 

Figured it was only a matter of time....

 

Maybe that $1m we cleared up by trading Jernigan had something to do with the timing of this visit being announced??

 

I know some aren't high on the idea of Mangold, but I think next to Yanda and with the type of blocking were trying to implement he can be a big upgrade for a year or two while we groom a replacement. 

Get a quality G or RT in the draft with Lewis playing the other and I think that's a really solid OL.

Dont let him leave without a deal Ozzie. 

Edited April 5 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Been waiting on this. 

Figured it was only a matter of time....

 

Maybe that $1m we cleared up by trading Jernigan had something to do with the timing of this visit being announced??

 

I know some aren't high on the idea of Mangold, but I think next to Yanda and with the type of blocking were trying to implement he can be a big upgrade for a year or two while we groom a replacement. 

Get a quality G or RT in the draft with Lewis playing the other and I think that's a really solid OL.

Dont let him leave without a deal Ozzie. 

He's been pretty banged up, needs to be cleared physically first.

[Natural Born Hitters]

25 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

He's been pretty banged up, needs to be cleared physically first.

Ozzie and DeCosta know what their doing, if he's ready to play and looks like he'll be good to go for the next few seasons, they'll make him a Raven. He's like Matt Birk 2.0 for us, it's a no brainer. 

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Come on man, it's alright to criticize.

I really don't see any direction from this team.  Yeah it's only a year but there's no clear path here right now.  I've pointed out many times that there's still time for that to change, but the current moves we've made really doesn't show much of a plan, in my opinion.

I still fail to see any hole that this team has filled to this point other than CB, and that's pretty much a 1 year stopgap only.  Jefferson is pretty much the only move that is for now and the future.

I would say the direction we are heading is building the defense up again.  Resigning Bwill, Jefferson, and im willing to bet we use our first on a CB or pass rusher.  Regardless if we agree with the direction (obviously not doing much to help the offense still imo) it appears that its defense heavy

[rossihunter2]

ozzie talking about high probability of free agents coming in before the draft suggests to me that nick mangold might have passed their medical assessments - i cant think of anyone else around the league who they would pick up who fits the criteria of upgrading a position and being a cut by another team rather than a true free agent

unless the imminent free agents coming in are re-signing guys like webby or doom then i cant really see beyond mangold

[RayRayRaven]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

ozzie talking about high probability of free agents coming in before the draft suggests to me that nick mangold might have passed their medical assessments - i cant think of anyone else around the league who they would pick up who fits the criteria of upgrading a position and being a cut by another team rather than a true free agent

unless the imminent free agents coming in are re-signing guys like webby or doom then i cant really see beyond mangold

havent favord many of r front offices moves fact is they have been contrarys to almost all we need to do but mangold is there 1st move can say give them an A for tryin even if he injurs out.  way to go ole bald guys u can do it sometims

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, RayRayRaven said:

havent favord many of r front offices moves fact is they have been contrarys to almost all we need to do but mangold is there 1st move can say give them an A for tryin even if he injurs out.  way to go ole bald guys u can do it sometims

 

could you please attempt to spell correctly?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Come on man, it's alright to criticize.

I really don't see any direction from this team.  Yeah it's only a year but there's no clear path here right now.  I've pointed out many times that there's still time for that to change, but the current moves we've made really doesn't show much of a plan, in my opinion.

I still fail to see any hole that this team has filled to this point other than CB, and that's pretty much a 1 year stopgap only.  Jefferson is pretty much the only move that is for now and the future.

That's fine that you don't see it... you made a comment sparked by the Jernigan trade as if its a sign of acting Willy nilly with no direction...

You can criticize the move if you like, but it very clearly points to moving on from players that aren't a part of the future to help build through the draft. 

Weve always been a build through the draft team... so to say before the draft that you don't see where the team is headed for this year is premature. 

 

Explain how trading Jernigan shows no plan tor future?? Or how keeping him, to maybe be better in just 2017 possibly at the expense of 2018 and beyond is showing more clear direction? Is it possible that others including this FO just don't think as highly of Jernigan as you do?

 

And what would you have done to show the clear direction Theyve projected?? Which bigger/more physical RT and C would you have brought in already? What big, physical, chain moving WR? What pass rusher? And which of the moves they've made are you not doing to facilitate that move(s)?

Theyve laid out the direction and it seems pretty clear to me. Some of the fixes just didn't present valid solutions through FA and so they'll head into the draft and later FA hoping to add.... whatever they can't they'll go to battle as is and keep building next offseason. 

 

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

That's fine that you don't see it... you made a comment sparked by the Jernigan trade as if its a sign of acting Willy nilly with no direction...

You can criticize the move if you like, but it very clearly points to moving on from players that aren't a part of the future to help build through the draft. 

Weve always been a build through the draft team... so to say before the draft that you don't see where the team is headed for this year is premature. 

 

Explain how trading Jernigan shows no plan tor future?? Or how keeping him, to maybe be better in just 2017 possibly at the expense of 2018 and beyond is showing more clear direction? Is it possible that others including this FO just don't think as highly of Jernigan as you do?

 

And what would you have done to show the clear direction Theyve projected?? Which bigger/more physical RT and C would you have brought in already? What big, physical, chain moving WR? What pass rusher? And which of the moves they've made are you not doing to facilitate that move(s)?

Theyve laid out the direction and it seems pretty clear to me. Some of the fixes just didn't present valid solutions through FA and so they'll head into the draft and later FA hoping to add.... whatever they can't they'll go to battle as is and keep building next offseason. 

 

I've actually been making that comment for a couple of weeks now - the Jernigan trade just added more confusion.

What direction do you actually see right now?  We've yet to really fill any long term holes other than Jefferson.  Carr is a stopgap fill in but everything else doesn't make much sense as they are kind of contradictory moves.  Why keep Pitta and Watson, and sign Woodhead if we're planning for the future?  That's where you let the young guys roll and see if you actually have a viable option for the future.

Again, I think the correct answer is always that you build for the present while also building for the future, but I don't see that right now.  I've always maintained that there's still a draft to go so things can always change, but I don't see a clear direction.  Williams is a very good player but we just invested $11M a year into a guy who mainly plugs gaps and stops the run.  I like keeping him but those aren't the guys you give huge money to.

In regards to Jernigan specifically, I think he's overrated.  With that being said, he's honestly probably the best pass rusher, including the edge guys, that we currently have on this team.  I'm sure there are some other things that came into play, which I've freely admitted, but on the surface, it looks like a really bad trade on our end unless more information comes out.

Meanwhile, our pass rush has gotten worse, the offensive line looks absolutely horrible, Perriman is now a #2 WR.  I don't think we should just go gung ho and get a guy to fill a hole regardless of price, but I do not believe at this time that we've been smart about how the cap we had was spent.

[Underdogsontop!]

I wonder how much better is mangold then zuttah when healthy? Because they were both banged up last year. I know mangold was selected for a couple of pro bowls. Guess will see if he passes his physical test. 

[RayRayRaven]

39 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I've actually been making that comment for a couple of weeks now - the Jernigan trade just added more confusion.

What direction do you actually see right now?  We've yet to really fill any long term holes other than Jefferson.  Carr is a stopgap fill in but everything else doesn't make much sense as they are kind of contradictory moves.  Why keep Pitta and Watson, and sign Woodhead if we're planning for the future?  That's where you let the young guys roll and see if you actually have a viable option for the future.

Again, I think the correct answer is always that you build for the present while also building for the future, but I don't see that right now.  I've always maintained that there's still a draft to go so things can always change, but I don't see a clear direction.  Williams is a very good player but we just invested $11M a year into a guy who mainly plugs gaps and stops the run.  I like keeping him but those aren't the guys you give huge money to.

In regards to Jernigan specifically, I think he's overrated.  With that being said, he's honestly probably the best pass rusher, including the edge guys, that we currently have on this team.  I'm sure there are some other things that came into play, which I've freely admitted, but on the surface, it looks like a really bad trade on our end unless more information comes out.

Meanwhile, our pass rush has gotten worse, the offensive line looks absolutely horrible, Perriman is now a #2 WR.  I don't think we should just go gung ho and get a guy to fill a hole regardless of price, but I do not believe at this time that we've been smart about how the cap we had was spent.

now dat is very well writen you have a way of sayin it nicely when it culd be sayed with more blame.  we gotz big big holes and they went combo plan get rid of some sign some to big big deals probs with oline wide recievar pass rush running back secondary is unproofed as a unit joe is joe

like the mangold visit we will see. wuld not have resigned willams or signed jeffarsen wuld have played what we have to carr is a guy that nevah been hurt if he stays solid he culd help he be obvous upgrad over tavon young but still not a coverge guy at this stage of careerr.  they got there eggs in the draff basket and improvment from past draffed playas.  doan see it jus another yr going by with us in the middlin or worst range

[allblackraven]

13 minutes ago, Underdogsontop! said:

I wonder how much better is mangold then zuttah when healthy? Because they were both banged up last year. I know mangold was selected for a couple of pro bowls. Guess will see if he passes his physical test. 

When healthy, there is no comparison. 

Mangold's been to 7 pro bowls.

[Ravens4Real]

11 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

When healthy, there is no comparison. 

Mangold's been to 7 pro bowls.

The problem is that Mangold is on his last leg in his career and comes with injury concerns. Respectively, we probably won't get much of a boost from a healthy Zuttah to what Mangold will offer.

[Underdogsontop!]

14 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

The problem is that Mangold is on his last leg in his career and comes with injury concerns. Respectively, we probably won't get much of a boost from a healthy Zuttah to what Mangold will offer.

 

26 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

When healthy, there is no comparison. 

Mangold's been to 7 pro bowls.

I wonder who's game ready plug and play from the draft? Pocic? Eiflien? I'm not sure that there is one. Yanda would be a big help for a top rookie prospect though. 

 

I dont really care but how did I get a neg for that 1st question? Too many emotional people in here. Lol 

Edited April 5 by Underdogsontop!

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

I wonder how much better is mangold then zuttah when healthy? Because they were both banged up last year. I know mangold was selected for a couple of pro bowls. Guess will see if he passes his physical test. 

If he were truly healthy, he's a top 5 center. However, age may catch up.

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

 

I wonder who's game ready plug and play from the draft? Pocic? Eiflien? I'm not sure that there is one. Yanda would be a big help for a top rookie prospect though. 

 

I dont really care but how did I get a neg for that 1st question? Too many emotional people in here. Lol 

Elfein is probably the most plug and play.

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

havent favord many of r front offices moves fact is they have been contrarys to almost all we need to do but mangold is there 1st move can say give them an A for tryin even if he injurs out.  way to go ole bald guys u can do it sometims

Ok, this is a legit question:  How do you spell so badly and make hardly any sense most of the time?  I am not trying to insult you, but we have seen you put together a coherent sentence before, do you just find humor in this because it seriously seems like it would take so much work to misspell that badly.  Are you a kid?  My mom has dyslexia so know the struggles and if thats it i would never mention it again and respect that.  Ive asked so many times and with the boards closing, this is a mystery that shouldnt go unsolved.

Edited April 6 by usmccharles

[RayRayRaven]

its da fog of football for me it was a explodin chamber riffle in the army some days are betta than others its betta in short sayins worse bringin it togetha.  u know oz is fightin with somethin simlar he nevah was a great o draffer but in his ole age the fog is creepin in and he's not much of a draffer at all. hell stay until he gets booted out its a lot a money for an easy gig. u watch he gonna trade down this yr less risk for spechly goin offense which he has to do.

therebe other board at least 2 big letter little letter startin one but afraid his head will swell for it best to go establised

Edited April 6 by RayRayRaven

[Cville-Raven]

3 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

 therebe other board at least 2 big letter little letter startin one but afraid his head will swell for it best to go establised

What am I even reading here?

[Willbacker]

59 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

What am I even reading here?

Dr Seuss.

[ludy51]

2 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

What am I even reading here?

The better question is, why?

[Cville-Raven]

7 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

The better question is, why?

lol fair enough, I like trying to decipher his posts.