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[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

Isn't there some sort of qualification on this also?  The player must have x amount of time played and the contract must be x amount of money.  If someone knows, please share that info.

To be honest I really don't know how it's computed. I know it isn't simple math, but may have to do with contract values, playing time and pro bowl appearances as well I think.

[Purple_City39]

25 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

To be honest I really don't know how it's computed. I know it isn't simple math, but may have to do with contract values, playing time and pro bowl appearances as well I think.

Yeah, those things definitely contribute to how high of a pick you get, with the highest being a 3rd rounder.  I just can't remember if there's a floor or not.  I don't think it's an automatic comp pick for losing a player, I believe they have to reach a specific set of qualifiers starting with contract amount.  I'm just not positive on it

[Purple_City39]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Kind of, yes, but no one knows the real formula.  It's some combination of salary, playing time, and accolades (pro bowl, awards, etc.).  However, in this case, we're just determining comp pick eligibility.  The simple math adds up to us being in line for 2 comp picks.  Just to use a player as an example, should Aiken's salary fall below the 32 cut off, we'd only get 1 comp pick.

This prediction shows a good example of contracts that fall under the cut.

https://overthecap.com/projecting-2017-compensatory-draft-picks/

Should have read this post first.  Okay, as I already knew, the contract amount does factor.  Didn't know there was a max of 32 comp picks though.  That's interesting.  That chart suggests that you may always be eligible for at least a 7th so long as there aren't 32 or more higher contracts above the player you lost.  Maybe you do get something regardless (so long as it's within the 32)

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

Should have read this post first.  Okay, as I already knew, the contract amount does factor.  Didn't know there was a max of 32 comp picks though.  That's interesting.  That chart suggests that you may always be eligible for at least a 7th so long as there aren't 32 or more higher contracts above the player you lost.  Maybe you do get something regardless (so long as it's within the 32)

Yep they always give out 32 comp picks no matter what.  In most years, there are more qualifiers than picks, so some are left out in the cold.  In the event that there are less qualifiers than picks, they basically restart the draft order and give them out until they hit that magic 32.

Edited March 21 by rmw10

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Kind of, yes, but no one knows the real formula.  It's some combination of salary, playing time, and accolades (pro bowl, awards, etc.).  However, in this case, we're just determining comp pick eligibility.  The simple math adds up to us being in line for 2 comp picks.  Just to use a player as an example, should Aiken's salary fall below the 32 cut off, we'd only get 1 comp pick.

This prediction shows a good example of contracts that fall under the cut.

https://overthecap.com/projecting-2017-compensatory-draft-picks/

That was helpful.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Yep they always give out 32 comp picks no matter what.  In most years, there are more qualifiers than picks, so some are left out in the cold.  In the event that there are less qualifiers than picks, they basically restart the draft order and give them out until they hit that magic 32.

Yep. Always 32 but what isn't always the same is the number of 3rds, 4ths, etc... there are. 

That fluctuates year to year and there's some formula or algorithm for determining it that accounts for contract, gtd $, how that compares to other top contracts at the position, playing time, and achievements like Pro Bowl. 

They then slot the net lost FA's 1-32 if at least 32 based on that algorithm and then determine how many qualify as 3rds... how many deserve a 4th and so on.

Edited March 22 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[DomMcRaven]

I'm surprised that Aiken chose the Colts, but that's his prerogative.

[The Raven]

11 hours ago, DomMcRaven said:

I'm surprised that Aiken chose the Colts, but that's his prerogative.

I'm not surprised. He gets to catch balls from Andrew Luck. Luck wasn't too hot this past season but he's one of the best QBs in the game and I think better than Joe.

[Rav'n Maniac]

The numbers on Pitta are in. He gets 2.5m base this year with 3m base next year. The cap hit is 5.2m in both years, down from 7.7m.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

The numbers on Pitta are in. He gets 2.5m base this year with 3m base next year. The cap hit is 5.2m in both years, down from 7.7m.

Yea, just saw that. Pretty substantial.

Essentially what we wouldve saved by cutting him, and we get to keep the player. Great deal for us.

And still allows us to cut him next season.

Edited March 22 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[The Raven]

Still would've preferred to cut him and throw the young bucks to the wolves but whatever

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, The Raven said:

I'm not surprised. He gets to catch balls from Andrew Luck. Luck wasn't too hot this past season but he's one of the best QBs in the game and I think better than Joe.

He had a really strong year last year compared to 2015.

[The Raven]

24 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He had a really strong year last year compared to 2015.

It's been a weird year. I blanked on that.

[DomMcRaven]

9 hours ago, The Raven said:

I'm not surprised. He gets to catch balls from Andrew Luck. Luck wasn't too hot this past season but he's one of the best QBs in the game and I think better than Joe.

I won't argue with that. I wonder if he'll be their #2 or #3.

[Cillmatic]

So are we all just in agreement that Max, Gillmore and Waller are all gonna go somewhere else and be decent?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, DomMcRaven said:

I won't argue with that. I wonder if he'll be their #2 or #3.

He'll be in the mix for both I imagine. 

Hiltons the de facto #1.

but then Montcrief and Dorsett have been mediocre to disappointing. So Aikens got a shot at starting for sure.

Theyve also lost two TEs that Luck liked to use in recent years in Fleener and Allen. 

Luck does a good job at spreading the ball around and hitting you if you're open and it's a pretty high volume passing offense... so there's some targets definitely up for grabs there and he's got a much better chance at becoming a #2 there than he did here.

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, DomMcRaven said:

I won't argue with that. I wonder if he'll be their #2 or #3.

he'll be fighting with dorsett for the number 3 spot - ty hilton and donte moncrief are pretty set as the 1 and 2 and he'll be fighting the tight end jack doyle for targets as well - so if anything he went somewhere where he's probably got more competition for opportunities

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

So are we all just in agreement that Max, Gillmore and Waller are all gonna go somewhere else and be decent?

nope

[RayRayRaven]

On ‎3‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 9:04 AM, ellicottraven said:

Short answer I really don't know. But, my guess is the front office especially Eric DeCosta has a good sense of other team's rosters and is very adept at projecting where teams may make their cuts. So my guess is the Ravens are confident that the losses can very easily be supplemented with cuts from other teams or in the worst case scenario they've a trade situation figured out if neither cuts or the draft work out.

eraven u r legend man, nobody has posted numbers like u an u deserve respekt. when u say walkers like wagner can be supplemented by decosta with cutoffs from other teams why cant they come from r own rosta that decosta builded? thats what funny

On ‎3‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 0:08 AM, lgcs27288 said:

I was going to type a long paragraph on why what ellicott said is true, but decided it wasnt worth it.

yah mighta been a good post anywhares from 2008 to 2012, but that dog wont hunt now.

On ‎3‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 1:04 AM, ellicottraven said:

This is by far the most effective post you've made even though you're rolling in laughter at something that is logical and perhaps right. See you can convey a lot more if you don't type words and make sentences.

briefity is the sole of wit

[PurpleCity5]

11 hours ago, The Raven said:

Still would've preferred to cut him and throw the young bucks to the wolves but whatever

That's what I wanted as well, call me crazy but I would've liked to give the Watson experience another look over keeping Pitta, I feel like his strengths is what we missed so badly from this offense and TE positions. What Watson strives in is exactly where PItta fails.

Edited March 23 by PurpleCity5

[SepticeyePoe]

1 hour ago, RayRayRaven said:

eraven u r legend man, nobody has posted numbers like u an u deserve respekt. when u say walkers like wagner can be supplemented by decosta with cutoffs from other teams why cant they come from r own rosta that decosta builded? thats what funny

yah mighta been a good post anywhares from 2008 to 2012, but that dog wont hunt now.

briefity is the sole of wit

Why didn't you say that then? 

And it wouldn't be a good post today because you never listen.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Hmmm.. My chronic headaches have suddenly returned.

 

Duz enywon hev n xplancion 4 diz?

[sflegend89]

It's funny that in the past this front office has let go of good players like Boldin to let the young guys play and it blows up in our face because the guys below him on the depth chart weren't good to begin with (Doss + Deonte Thompson) but we actually have a good young TE group right now and they are all stagnating behind Pitta on the depth chart. Gilmore, Waller, and Maxx have all flashed potential... jeez for parts of 2015 Gilmore was throwing defenders off him like he was Gronk. A combination of injuries and lack of playing time has really hurt that young group of TE's.

I would've liked to see us part ways with Pitta and let the new generation get their shot. It's not a money decision so much as it's a personnel decision. We did it at Center with Zuttah even though the depth behind him is questionable at best, but we won't do it at TE where we actually have guys that can play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy1tyFqvUUA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPgdlTkQiqY

Edited March 23 by sflegend89

[berad]

6 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

It's funny that in the past this front office has let go of good players like Boldin to let the young guys play and it blows up in our face because the guys below him on the depth chart weren't good to begin with (Doss + Deonte Thompson) but we actually have a good young TE group right now and they are all stagnating behind Pitta on the depth chart. Gilmore, Waller, and Maxx have all flashed potential... jeez for parts of 2015 Gilmore was throwing defenders off him like he was Gronk. A combination of injuries and lack of playing time has really hurt that young group of TE's.

I would've liked to see us part ways with Pitta and let the new generation get their shot. It's not a money decision so much as it's a personnel decision. We did it at Center with Zuttah even though the depth behind him is questionable at best, but we won't do it at TE where we actually have guys that can play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy1tyFqvUUA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPgdlTkQiqY

Gilmore's a beast but he's been banged up and it hurt his playing time. Same for Maxx. The other young TEs, Waller and Boyle, were busy getting suspended.

Who's to say they won't employ more multiple-TE sets? It would be a shame if they didn't, a waste of talent.

[Edgar]

13 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

So are we all just in agreement that Max, Gillmore and Waller are all gonna go somewhere else and be decent?

I've said this before but...had Maxx been drafted by Pittsburgh he would be a budding star...certainly a fan favorite.

They probably would be doing some cutting edge stuff with him....you know, throwing him the ball.

Twice, in his rookie season he played entire games and was TARGETED.....zero times.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

eraven u r legend man, nobody has posted numbers like u an u deserve respekt. when u say walkers like wagner can be supplemented by decosta with cutoffs from other teams why cant they come from r own rosta that decosta builded? thats what funny

yah mighta been a good post anywhares from 2008 to 2012, but that dog wont hunt now.

briefity is the sole of wit

enough with the spelling man. We get it, we all know who PFT is. Not only has that ship sailed, when youre going out of your way to purposely misspell stuff (and not just making mistakes by typing quick) and spending more time to do it --- its not funny or cool.

If thats your schtick and you think its funny, have at it. But making up a "character" of sorts when posting on something like this is already anonymous -- whats the point? 

Anyone who knows how to use the brevity, and is also smart enough to know the root of it is brief... isnt this bad at spelling.

 

Not fooling anyone... so you can give it up now. idk why i waste the effort. just blocking from now on.

[Moderator 3]

32 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

enough with the spelling man. We get it, we all know who PFT is. Not only has that ship sailed, when youre going out of your way to purposely misspell stuff (and not just making mistakes by typing quick) and spending more time to do it --- its not funny or cool.

If thats your schtick and you think its funny, have at it. But making up a "character" of sorts when posting on something like this is already anonymous -- whats the point? 

Anyone who knows how to use the brevity, and is also smart enough to know the root of it is brief... isnt this bad at spelling.

 

Not fooling anyone... so you can give it up now. idk why i waste the effort. just blocking from now on.

Best idea.  Alternatively, just don't bother to respond.

[balfan23]

4 hours ago, berad said:

Gilmore's a beast but he's been banged up and it hurt his playing time. Same for Maxx. The other young TEs, Waller and Boyle, were busy getting suspended.

Who's to say they won't employ more multiple-TE sets? It would be a shame if they didn't, a waste of talent.

Did Gilmore really have the excuse of being banged up this year? I know it was his excuse 2 years ago. I don't know ... he was a big time disappointment last year, so it is getting harder to get excited about him. Still, I'd like to see us try and work more with the young TEs. I grow weary of hearing about how Pitta led the world in receptions when it felt like 1/2 of them were generated in the worst game of the season last year v. the Bengals when it felt like he caught 20 balls for a total of 50 yards.  

Agreed, we likely will employ more 2 TE sets, especially with Juice gone. However, 6 TEs? Something has to give. No doubt the most confusing position group on the team. 

[PurpleCity5]

8 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Did Gilmore really have the excuse of being banged up this year? I know it was his excuse 2 years ago. I don't know ... he was a big time disappointment last year, so it is getting harder to get excited about him. Still, I'd like to see us try and work more with the young TEs. I grow weary of hearing about how Pitta led the world in receptions when it felt like 1/2 of them were generated in the worst game of the season last year v. the Bengals when it felt like he caught 20 balls for a total of 50 yards.  

Agreed, we likely will employ more 2 TE sets, especially with Juice gone. However, 6 TEs? Something has to give. No doubt the most confusing position group on the team. 

I don't think Gilmore is refined much. He doesn't know how to beat double teams and some of his routes are a little rusty. He doesn't move all that well either but I think he's definitely got a spot here. 

[berad]

56 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Did Gilmore really have the excuse of being banged up this year? I know it was his excuse 2 years ago. I don't know ... he was a big time disappointment last year, so it is getting harder to get excited about him. Still, I'd like to see us try and work more with the young TEs. I grow weary of hearing about how Pitta led the world in receptions when it felt like 1/2 of them were generated in the worst game of the season last year v. the Bengals when it felt like he caught 20 balls for a total of 50 yards.  

Agreed, we likely will employ more 2 TE sets, especially with Juice gone. However, 6 TEs? Something has to give. No doubt the most confusing position group on the team. 

He had multiple injuries according to him - http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ravens-tight-end-crockett-gillmore-suffered-multiple-injuries-in-2016-013117

It's confusing for sure but with Pitta taking his pay cut, I assume he's safe.