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[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, terrynjulia03 said:

There MUST be another Vet alongside Perriman. I'm sorry but from what we've seen hasn't impressed. I swear he's a Taylor reincarnate. He's basically like a guy coming from a no name HS JV squad and suddenly playing against Alabama. Next year he could prove to be a legit #2 but you still need to have him 3rd in the pecking order from the start. Personally I'd extend and restructure Wallace and bring in a guy like Garçon or Britt, if available, as your chain mover on a 2 or 3 year deal, whatever the cost. I can equally see the release of Wallace if they grab Alshon but with the contract needed I'd say that's gonna force BP into more of the spotlight than he's ready for. Maybe I'm wrong and that's the combo Joe needs and he throws for 4000+ again only this time with 35+ TDs.

Not this again....

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

This debate took place well after week 1. That was the argument everyone kept making .. "did you watch him against the Bills".. but somehow missed weeks 2-4.

Except for the fact that Tavon Young didn't get his first start at outside CB until week 6.  Wright missed week 5 due to injury and was limited in week 6 because of the same injury.  It just goes to illustrate that they chose many options over Young until it got to the point that they essentially had no more.  They chose Sheldon Price, Jerraud Powers, and Will Davis over him.  He didn't just get handed the job like you're suggesting they do with Perriman.

Edited January 3 by rmw10

[terrynjulia03]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Not this again....

Hey it's a high profile name that people are throwing around. Is it realistic? Prob not. However you can bet his name has been mentioned among the brass. Personally I'd stick with Wallace, Garçon/Britt, BP, Moore/Camp, Reynolds, mid round draft pick, Bell, later round draft pick, going into the 75. 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Hey it's a high profile name that people are throwing around. Is it realistic? Prob not. However you can bet his name has been mentioned among the brass. Personally I'd stick with Wallace, Garçon/Britt, BP, Moore/Camp, Reynolds, mid round draft pick, Bell, later round draft pick, going into the 75. 

I hope they mentioned his name by saying, "lets ignore this guy."

[GrimCoconut]

Btw Garçon apparently wants more than or the same as what he got this year so we're talking around or north of $7.5M. 

I also really like the idea of signing Kendall Wright. I may be alone but I liked him coming out and while he never did anything I would sign him on a cheap prove it deal. 

[terrynjulia03]

8 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Btw Garçon apparently wants more than or the same as what he got this year so we're talking around or north of $7.5M. 

I also really like the idea of signing Kendall Wright. I may be alone but I liked him coming out and while he never did anything I would sign him on a cheap prove it deal. 

He's not gonna get it. Cmon we're talking about releasing Wallace who also hit 1000 yards at 8M. And let's see, where are both teams? Out of the playoffs. Hell Washington had 2 1k receivers and still missed the playoffs. His "value" is dirt right now. 

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

He's not gonna get it. Cmon we're talking about releasing Wallace who also hit 1000 yards at 8M. And let's see, where are both teams? Out of the playoffs. Hell Washington had 2 1k receivers and still missed the playoffs. His "value" is dirt right now. 

Okay. Players on teams who make the playoffs are only those who get paid apparently 

Edited January 3 by GrimCoconut

[Edug27]

27 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Except for the fact that Tavon Young didn't get his first start at outside CB until week 6.  Wright missed week 5 due to injury and was limited in week 6 because of the same injury.  It just goes to illustrate that they chose many options over Young until it got to the point that they essentially had no more.  They chose Sheldon Price, Jerraud Powers, and Will Davis over him.  He didn't just get handed the job like you're suggesting they do with Perriman.

What does that have to do with anything? I said Wright leading up until week 4... which was the time when I was having these debates. The coaching staff didn't make the switch until later. 

[rmw10]

Just now, Edug27 said:

What does that have to do with anything? I said Wright leading up until week 4... which was the time when I was having these debates. The coaching staff didn't make the switch until later. 

I'm pointing out that they didn't just give Young the position like you're suggesting they do with Perriman.

Furthermore, for every Tavon Young that steps up and does well, there are also 20 Chykie Browns and Tandon Dosses who do nothing.

[Edug27]

Just now, rmw10 said:

I'm pointing out that they didn't just give Young the position like you're suggesting they do with Perriman.

Furthermore, for every Tavon Young that steps up and does well, there are also 20 Chykie Browns and Tandon Dosses who do nothing.

Right. We covered that already. I referenced it in the post:

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Right and I think the hestitaiton says more about the coaching staff more than anything. No way in hell Wright lasts that long on the field under Belicheck given that crap he displayed those first couple weeks. 

I'm not telling you what I think the coaching staff will do... I'm giving my opinion on what they should do. Both in the Young and Perriman scenario.

[Davesta]

Pitta needs to go. But it's harbaugh and flacco. So he stays. We continue to throw check downs on 3rd down followed by a punt. Yay for next season.. 

[terrynjulia03]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Okay. Players on teams who make the playoffs are only those who get paid apparently 

Really? I never said that. However if you look at market value, those players on winning teams tend to be valued higher than the bottom scrub teams. This isn't new. 

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

Right. We covered that already. I referenced it in the post:

I'm not telling you what I think the coaching staff will do... I'm giving my opinion on what they should do. Both in the Young and Perriman scenario.

Then I'm confused as to why you even brought up Young other than to point out the fact that I was wrong.

Regardless of Tavon's play and whatever that has to do with it now that I don't know what you're talking about, dropping Wallace and going with Perriman and whoever else would be an ill-advised decision based on what we know about Perriman right now.  The object should still be to keep Wallace, add another WR, and let Perriman continue to develop as the #3.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Really? I never said that. However if you look at market value, those players on winning teams tend to be valued higher than the bottom scrub teams. This isn't new. 

That is literally what you implied....like to the tee. 

I don't think ive ever heard someone use this argument, I don't think it correlates at all. 

Edited January 3 by usmccharles

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Really? I never said that. However if you look at market value, those players on winning teams tend to be valued higher than the bottom scrub teams. This isn't new. 

Examples of comparable players on a good team getting more money than a player on a bad team?

[R@venFan808]

I don't know why big boards have us getting an Edge in the first round we got 2 in rounds 2 and 3 last year. I think we continue to build the offense. Why spend the pick when we are coming off being the a top rated defense and one of the worst passing offense in the league. My remedy ? Draft John Ross my god the kid is fast and has hands. Oh Double bonus he can return punts!

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, R@venFan808 said:

I don't know why big boards have us getting an Edge in the first round we got 2 in rounds 2 and 3 last year. I think we continue to build the offense. Why spend the pick when we are coming off being the a top rated defense and one of the worst passing offense in the league. My remedy ? Draft John Ross my god the kid is fast and has hands. Oh Double bonus he can return punts!

Because you'll likely see some significant turnover on the defensive side of the ball, and we have holes on the defense we need to fill. We aren't going to win anything until we get a better, more consistent pass rush (we're likely losing Dumervil this offseason and Suggs has maybe 1-2 years left) and get some improved depth in the secondary, namely a better corner and potentially a new safety if Webb isn't retained. If we retained the identical defense next season that we have this year, we will struggle defensively, because its not a young unit.

As far as the offense goes, we're really just talking about WR and offensive line, namely Center. Those are the only two positions of focus where there are concerns. There's a lot of youth on the offense and an addition of a player or two is just as important as the guys we have just playing better.

The defense is going to have an age problem soon. The offense isn't.

[hen826957]

53 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

There MUST be another Vet alongside Perriman. I'm sorry but from what we've seen hasn't impressed. I swear he's a Taylor reincarnate. He's basically like a guy coming from a no name HS JV squad and suddenly playing against Alabama. Next year he could prove to be a legit #2 but you still need to have him 3rd in the pecking order from the start. Personally I'd extend and restructure Wallace and bring in a guy like Garçon or Britt, if available, as your chain mover on a 2 or 3 year deal, whatever the cost. I can equally see the release of Wallace if they grab Alshon but with the contract needed I'd say that's gonna force BP into more of the spotlight than he's ready for. Maybe I'm wrong and that's the combo Joe needs and he throws for 4000+ again only this time with 35+ TDs.

We always say that every year but it never happens... well Joe did finally threw for 4000+ but only 20 tds. I'll will say he will throw 3,800 yards and 22 tds next year. But man we have to keep Marty and inconsistent offense smh. 

[Edug27]

17 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Then I'm confused as to why you even brought up Young other than to point out the fact that I was wrong.

Regardless of Tavon's play and whatever that has to do with it now that I don't know what you're talking about, dropping Wallace and going with Perriman and whoever else would be an ill-advised decision based on what we know about Perriman right now.  The object should still be to keep Wallace, add another WR, and let Perriman continue to develop as the #3.

1. Wallace is a veteran who I think needs to be replaced by a younger player (Perriman), though he's not proven and most don't think should.

2. Wright was a veteran who I thought needed to be replaced by a younger player (Young), though he wasn't proven and most didn't think should.

3. Coaching staff eventually made the move (forced or not) and it paid off. I think the same would happen in this scenario.

So yes, both situations are very similar. And I bring it up also because you are involved in both. 

[rmw10]

21 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

1. Wallace is a veteran who I think needs to be replaced by a younger player (Perriman), though he's not proven and most don't think should.

2. Wright was a veteran who I thought needed to be replaced by a younger player (Young), though he wasn't proven and most didn't think should.

3. Coaching staff eventually made the move (forced or not) and it paid off. I think the same would happen in this scenario.

So yes, both situations are very similar. And I bring it up also because you are involved in both. 

Except they aren't comparable because one move was made in season while the other you're suggesting happens before the season.  I can guarantee there was no one calling for Young to go into last season as the de facto #2 CB.

[Edug27]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Except they aren't comparable because one move was made in season while the other you're suggesting happens before the season.  I can guarantee there was no one calling for Young to go into last season as the de facto #2 CB.

So the timing is what doesn't make them comparable? Oh boy. If they both happened in season, then you'd argue that it didn't happen during the same week against the same opponent... 

But either way, we'll agree to disagree. I'm in favor of Wallace moving on. You aren't. It is what it is. 

[rmw10]

Just now, Edug27 said:

So the timing is what doesn't make them comparable? Oh boy. If they both happened in season, then you'd argue that it didn't happen during the same week against the same opponent... 

But either way, we'll agree to disagree. I'm in favor of Wallace moving on. You aren't. It is what it is. 

Not exactly lol.  Just pointing out the serious flaws in your ideas here and how the situations aren't comparable.

But fair enough.

[Adreme]

22 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Except they aren't comparable because one move was made in season while the other you're suggesting happens before the season.  I can guarantee there was no one calling for Young to go into last season as the de facto #2 CB.

The main reason he is wrong is that Jimmy was the other CBS so there was only one other spot available.  You can have 2 starting outside WR who are both lightning fast.

[ellicottraven]

It doesn't matter the talent we amass or let go if we have the same coaching staff. The offensive coordinator is abysmal.

[hereweare]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Btw Garçon apparently wants more than or the same as what he got this year so we're talking around or north of $7.5M. 

I also really like the idea of signing Kendall Wright. I may be alone but I liked him coming out and while he never did anything I would sign him on a cheap prove it deal. 

Based on free agent WRs last year I could see him getting 7m/yr. his age is against him.

Also liked Kendall Wright but his decline is really concerning 

[allblackraven]

43 minutes ago, Adreme said:

The main reason he is wrong is that Jimmy was the other CBS so there was only one other spot available.  You can have 2 starting outside WR who are both lightning fast.

We wish...

[rossihunter2]

looking at available free agents im not sure that there are any that i'd like the ravens to take on - they either look like players ready to be overpaid or players looking way too expensive to take on

[OUravensfan]

Doesn't mean much now but I really wanted Crabtree a few years ago, and he fell hard to the second wave of FA.

[OUravensfan]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

looking at available free agents im not sure that there are any that i'd like the ravens to take on - they either look like players ready to be overpaid or players looking way too expensive to take on

Maybe we do keep Kamar after all, it fits the continuity theme as well. It seems natural that by subtracting Smith you give Kamar more targets, the plays he missed really stand out to me however. The Pittsburgh blunder really illustrates perfectly what his ceiling is. But he would be a good possession WR to have if we can't find anyone else. 

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Maybe we do keep Kamar after all, it fits the continuity theme as well. It seems natural that by subtracting Smith you give Kamar more targets, the plays he missed really stand out to me however. The Pittsburgh blunder really illustrates perfectly what his ceiling is. But he would be a good possession WR to have if we can't find anyone else. 

I just worry how much hes going to get paid, makes me nervous