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[Edug27]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Lol.  He's a product of the system yet everyone else on the receiving group pretty much had bad years?  You get on us for "loving" Wallace but it's clear you have some weird disdain for him.

Again... if Wallace and SSS got hurt in training camp and sat out... there would be inflated stats for all of our wideouts.. because somebody has to catch the ball. Just like you saw with Aiken last season. Don't fall in love with numbers man. Wallace did not have a consistent season... and hasn't been a consistent player in years. Game threads spent more time complaining about him than loving him. But whatever. 

[Edug27]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I counted 7 I believe.  You seem the one stuck on his name...

Sorry. 4 games of over 63 yards. My mistake. Good catch.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Edug27 said:

Sorry. 4 games of over 63 yards. My mistake. Good catch.

Who do you suggest we go out and get if we cut Wallace, which would also cost us 2mill in dead money

[GrimCoconut]

52 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

And we don't even have Aiken, so really just BP, Moore, Mayle, and Kenny Bell.  That's why I don't think people are actually thinking when it comes to Wallace.  You need to add to him, not subtract him.

We got Kenny Bell? Nice. 

[rmw10]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

We got Kenny Bell? Nice. 

Afro value.  He spent pretty much the latter half of the season on our PS.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Afro value.  He spent pretty much the latter half of the season on our PS.

I didn't know he was even here lol. I liked him coming out of Nebraska so we'll see what happens. He could be our next Aiken. 

[Edug27]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

If you really believe that, you didn't watch the young WRs.  I like their potential for the future, but come on man.  Perriman has some really good plays in the mix but also a ton of easy drops and a ton of terrible routes.  I also like Moore, but he probably has as many drops as he does catches so far.  Relying on those guys with exactly 0 depth is how you end up with someone like Tandon Doss playing tons of snaps for you.  What happens if one of those guys gets injured?  I know you're proposing that we add someone else, but that's merely a lateral move that doesn't change the situation.

Oh I watched them. I liked what I saw from Perriman. I think he needs to replace Wallace, that's it. I think you'd be mighty surprised the production the young guys would give you given the opportunity. Of course they need work. So does Wallace. So does Flacco, and our playcalling. And maybe you don't let Wallace go until you secure a wideout in free agency. Sure. I get that. But, IMO, you don't need Wallace on this team next season if all works out. We'll see how it all shakes out I guess.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Who do you suggest we go out and get if we cut Wallace, which would also cost us 2mill in dead money

Well the dead money doesn't really matter. Its the cap savings that matter. We could actually save $5.75M against the cap by cutting him, which is significant.

Though again, that's a huge gamble and would basically leave us with Perriman as our defacto #1 WR heading into FA/draft, so I don't expect that to happen.

An extension is more likely/possible in my opinion.

2017 is actually a club option, so we will know sooner rather than later whether we will retain him.

[rmw10]

Just now, Edug27 said:

Oh I watched them. I liked what I saw from Perriman. I think he needs to replace Wallace, that's it. I think you'd be mighty surprised the production the young guys would give you given the opportunity. Of course they need work. So does Wallace. So does Flacco, and our playcalling. And maybe you don't let Wallace go until you secure a wideout in free agency. Sure. I get that. But, IMO, you don't need Wallace on this team next season if all works out. We'll see how it all shakes out I guess.

Then I sure am glad that you aren't running this team, because that would likely be a disastrous WR group.  I like Perriman too but I don't think any reasonable person in the NFL would look at him and be willing to count on him as a full time starter at this point.

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well the dead money doesn't really matter. Its the cap savings that matter. We could actually save $5.75M against the cap by cutting him, which is significant.

Though again, that's a huge gamble and would basically leave us with Perriman as our defacto #1 WR heading into FA/draft, so I don't expect that to happen.

An extension is more likely/possible in my opinion.

2017 is actually a club option, so we will know sooner rather than later whether we will retain him.

Yea I just meant that's 2mill of wasted money if we cut him, I knew about the 5 mill, but I was curious to see who he was suggesting we go out and get.  Wouldn't be surprised if he said Alshon.

[GrimCoconut]

If Marty is staying then we must get rid of Zuttah. He must go because he's getting pushed back too much and he is causing problems with our run and pass game. Just accept this team will be a pass first team and focus on making it that. Go WR and C early or hit them hard in FA. We must get better at those positions to be a better passing offense. Sign Wagner and Juszczyk back and let Williams walk and try to retain Guy. 

[Edug27]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Then I sure am glad that you aren't running this team, because that would likely be a disastrous WR group.  I like Perriman too but I don't think any reasonable person in the NFL would look at him and be willing to count on him as a full time starter at this point.

Well, 1. The people running this team have fielded a disastrous offensive group the last 2 seasons. It's time for a change up IMO.  and 2. I don't think many teams were in hot pursuit of Wallace as their starter either prior to this season. 

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

33 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Its kind of like when we traded Boldin away and expected Torrey to be a number one....Yea, not happening.  BP isn't ready.  Wheres @LosT_in_TranSlatioN and his saying at?

I'm glad the fans don't run this team......

 

But wish we had a new OC. Damn you Harbaugh

[Edug27]

1 minute ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm glad the fans don't run this team......

 

But wish we had a new OC. Damn you Harbaugh

Well, in both of these cases, you wish fans DID run the team right? Fans wanted to keep Boldin. Ozzie had other plans. And most fans want a new OC. But we'll probably stick with what we have.

While the saying "glad fans don't run this team" every thread is cute and all... it's not always the case. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, Edug27 said:

Well, in both of these cases, you wish fans DID run the team right?

Nope. I disagree with Harbaugh on this one, but know if the fans were running it, it'd be so much worse

[Edug27]

31 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Then I sure am glad that you aren't running this team, because that would likely be a disastrous WR group.  I like Perriman too but I don't think any reasonable person in the NFL would look at him and be willing to count on him as a full time starter at this point.

If I'm not mistaken, we had a similar debate after week 3 around benching Wright and inserting the rookie Young as a starter. Something you were highly against and I was advocating for. You're falling in love with vets man.

Edited January 3 by Edug27

[rmcjacket23]

16 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

Well, in both of these cases, you wish fans DID run the team right? Fans wanted to keep Boldin. Ozzie had other plans. And most fans want a new OC. But we'll probably stick with what we have.

While the saying "glad fans don't run this team" every thread is cute and all... it's not always the case. 

When is it not the case? I mean when can ANY fan on this planet put together a comprehensive, affordable plan that will yield a better football team on the field than what we saw? Obviously its not actually possible, because you can't predict that something like that will actually occur or predict the production, but I can say with unbelievable certainty that there isn't a fan on this planet that could run ANY NFL franchise better than the people who run it in terms of talent evaluation and personnel decisions.

The "cute" part is that fans get maybe 2-3 differing opinions from what the FO does correct in any given offseason, and they think 2-3 moves out of hundreds of moves makes them better at evaluating talent and personnel than any FO does. 

 

[rmw10]

8 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

If I'm not mistaken, we had a similar debate after week 3 around benching Wright and inserting the rookie Young as a starter. Something you were highly against and I was advocating for. You're falling in love with vets man.

Not falling in love with vets, but okay.

I'm man enough to admit I was wrong on Wright.  I wanted Young to play but didn't want him going to the outside.  I (as well as most other people) never thought he would have played that well as an outside CB.  I was wrong.  I can admit that.  I had absolutely no love towards Wright though.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Not falling in love with vets, but okay.

I'm man enough to admit I was wrong on Wright.  I wanted Young to play but didn't want him going to the outside.  I (as well as most other people) never thought he would have played that well as an outside CB.  I was wrong.  I can admit that.  I had absolutely no love towards Wright though.

Apparently we are all falling in love  with players he doesn't like 

[Edug27]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Apparently we are all falling in love  with players he doesn't like 

Lol. Doesn't matter who I like. I gave my opinion and everyone gave theirs. So I'm just giving mine back. It's how message boards work right...?

Edited January 3 by Edug27

[usmccharles]

Just now, Edug27 said:

Lol. Doesn't matter what I like. I gave my opinion and everyone gave theirs. So I'm just giving mine back. It's how message boards work right...?

Well, not when your telling me who im in love with and who im not.  Its like me saying you like cheese pizza, but you don't, but im going to keep insisting you do...so yea, I guess that's the exact definition of how message boards work

[Edug27]

13 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Not falling in love with vets, but okay.

I'm man enough to admit I was wrong on Wright.  I wanted Young to play but didn't want him going to the outside.  I (as well as most other people) never thought he would have played that well as an outside CB.  I was wrong.  I can admit that.  I had absolutely no love towards Wright though.

Young wasn't ideal on the outside. Just as Perriman isn't ideal to be a starter right now. That's obvious. But it's about understanding who we currently have and how young players would fair in that same position even though they haven't proven anything. Again, not beating my chest saying your wrong or I'm right.. Just identifying where we disagree I guess. 

[rmw10]

Just now, Edug27 said:

Young wasn't ideal on the outside. Just as Perriman isn't ideal to be a starter right now. That's obvious. But it's about understanding who we currently have and how young players would fair in that same position even though they haven't proven anything. Again, not beating my chest saying your wrong or I'm right.. Just identifying where we disagree I guess. 

Difference being that Young was forced to step up due to injury.  They did everything they could to not have to move him to the outside, but eventually, they had to.  It worked out in their favor, but they used just about everybody else - Price, Powers, etc. on the outside before giving Young his chance there.

In Perriman's case, you're just expecting a guy who needs a ton of work to step up, take the reigns, and have no drop off.

[Edug27]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Well, not when your telling me who im in love with and who im not.  Its like me saying you like cheese pizza, but you don't, but im going to keep insisting you do...so yea, I guess that's the exact definition of how message boards work

I guess you're getting caught up on the word 'love'. Bad word choice on my end. Apologies. But when someone argues that Wright doesn't suck and Young wouldn't be better or just as good in that same position.. you either love that player or unaware of how good the younger player could be. And I see the same here with Wallace. I could be wrong. That's why I ended one of my previous posts with "we'll have to wait and see". 

[usmccharles]

Just now, Edug27 said:

I guess you're getting caught up on the word 'love'. Bad word choice on my end. Apologies. But when someone argues that Wright doesn't suck and Young wouldn't be better or just as good in that same position.. you either love that player or unaware of how good the younger player could be. And I see the same here with Wallace. I could be wrong. That's why I ended one of my previous posts with "we'll have to wait and see". 

To be fair, I could see the hesitation of RMW not wanting a rookie to be a starter.  I didn't know much about him but he has clearly been one of the bright spots of this team. 

[Edug27]

7 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Difference being that Young was forced to step up due to injury.  They did everything they could to not have to move him to the outside, but eventually, they had to.  It worked out in their favor, but they used just about everybody else - Price, Powers, etc. on the outside before giving Young his chance there.

In Perriman's case, you're just expecting a guy who needs a ton of work to step up, take the reigns, and have no drop off.

Right and I think the hestitaiton says more about the coaching staff more than anything. No way in hell Wright lasts that long on the field under Belicheck given that crap he displayed those first couple weeks. 

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

To be fair, I could see the hesitation of RMW not wanting a rookie to be a starter.  I didn't know much about him but he has clearly been one of the bright spots of this team. 

And to be clear, my hesitation wasn't with him playing.  It was with him playing on the outside.  He proved me wrong and I'm more than willing to admit that, but it's not like this team just took a chance and threw him out there.  He was toward the bottom of that list for outside CBs and eventually got the call because they ran out of other options.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

Right and I think the hestitaiton says more about the coaching staff more than anything. No way in hell Wright lasts that long on the field under Belicheck given that crap he displayed those first couple weeks. 

Wright actually had probably the best game out of any of our CBs all season in week 1

[Edug27]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Wright actually had probably the best game out of any of our CBs all season in week 1

This debate took place well after week 1. That was the argument everyone kept making .. "did you watch him against the Bills".. but somehow missed weeks 2-4.

[terrynjulia03]

There MUST be another Vet alongside Perriman. I'm sorry but from what we've seen hasn't impressed. I swear he's a Taylor reincarnate. He's basically like a guy coming from a no name HS JV squad and suddenly playing against Alabama. Next year he could prove to be a legit #2 but you still need to have him 3rd in the pecking order from the start. Personally I'd extend and restructure Wallace and bring in a guy like Garçon or Britt, if available, as your chain mover on a 2 or 3 year deal, whatever the cost. I can equally see the release of Wallace if they grab Alshon but with the contract needed I'd say that's gonna force BP into more of the spotlight than he's ready for. Maybe I'm wrong and that's the combo Joe needs and he throws for 4000+ again only this time with 35+ TDs.