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[JoeyFlex5]

thoughts on julie'n davenport as a possible RT in the 3rd if wagner walks?

[Davesta]

Is the franchise tag an option for Wagner? We can't let him walk and play experiment again. We're one center away from a great oline 

[rossihunter2]

4 hours ago, Davesta said:

Is the franchise tag an option for Wagner? We can't let him walk and play experiment again. We're one center away from a great oline 

Surely if we tag him he gets paid like a left tackle and that's a terrible deal

[hen826957]

On 1/11/2017 at 10:42 AM, hereweare said:

I hear this is misconception all the time. Seattle has decided to keep their defense together because it is proven great enough to win a SB. And still have lost Irvin, Browner, Mebane, Maxwell to note. Otherwise they suffer on offense losing Golden Tate and 3 OL in recent years (Unger via trade, Okung and Sweezy).
They only spend $6.26 mil against the cap on the OL!! 
They rank 5th in defensive spending and 30th in offensive spending.
 

Then that great management because Russel Wilson is a mobile QB. They kept their defense intact rather than offense and that's why they been in the playoffs in recent years. The Ravens don't manage their cap well... what to sign and what to keep. When it's the time that they need to keep a player they can't afford them. It seems like a tradition. They do it to many times. Once in a while they might not be able to afford somebody and l could understand that but it seems like it's all the time. 

[Tank 92]

50 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Then that great management because Russel Wilson is a mobile QB. They kept their defense intact rather than offense and that's why they been in the playoffs in recent years. The Ravens don't manage their cap well... what to sign and what to keep. When it's the time that they need to keep a player they can't afford them. It seems like a tradition. They do it to many times. Once in a while they might not be able to afford somebody and l could understand that but it seems like it's all the time. 

I think that's kind of an unfair statement. The Ravens have had some tough luck with the likes of Webb, RR, Pitta, J. Smith, etc. that kind of put them in cap hell for a while. Not sure there were any indicators that those guys would turn out the way they did. 

[Tank 92]

4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Surely if we tag him he gets paid like a left tackle and that's a terrible deal

Yeah, that ain't gonna happen. 

[gtalk12]

1 hour ago, hen826957 said:

Then that great management because Russel Wilson is a mobile QB. They kept their defense intact rather than offense and that's why they been in the playoffs in recent years. The Ravens don't manage their cap well... what to sign and what to keep. When it's the time that they need to keep a player they can't afford them. It seems like a tradition. They do it to many times. Once in a while they might not be able to afford somebody and l could understand that but it seems like it's all the time. 

Brandon Browner and Maxwell left the squad as did their best OL

[hen826957]

48 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

Brandon Browner and Maxwell left the squad as did their best OL

Yeah l know. Those losses not really even affect them besides maybe Russell Okung. But they made the right decision in keep their defensive players instead rather than keeping the offensive line because that will keep them in the playoff hunt every year. Russell Wilson is mobile so he could help the offensive line in some cases. 

[gtalk12]

2 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Yeah l know. Those losses not really even affect them besides maybe Russell Okung. But they made the right decision in keep their defensive players instead rather than keeping the offensive line because that will keep them in the playoff hunt every year. Russell Wilson is mobile so he could help the offensive line in some cases. 

 

I feel like Maxwell for that team was a big loss

[Cville-Raven]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if someone throws 10-11mill at him to be their LT knowing how teams desperately want one. I'm letting him walk if that's the case. Grab someone in the first 4 rounds or move Lewis to RT and draft a guard high. 

[Halshayeji]

5 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Then that great management because Russel Wilson is a mobile QB. They kept their defense intact rather than offense and that's why they been in the playoffs in recent years. The Ravens don't manage their cap well... what to sign and what to keep. When it's the time that they need to keep a player they can't afford them. It seems like a tradition. They do it to many times. Once in a while they might not be able to afford somebody and l could understand that but it seems like it's all the time. 

I really appreciate what the Seahawks have accomplished by doing things their way. I seriously think they should start protecting their QB or he won't be moble for long. It's like theyr trying to get him killed with that line lol

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I really appreciate what the Seahawks have accomplished by doing things their way. I seriously think they should start protecting their QB or he won't be moble for long. It's like theyr trying to get him killed with that line lol

i mean he's only just recovering from an injury he got earlier in the season because of his crummy o-line which made him fairly immobile for a while

[BmoreBird22]

On 1/12/2017 at 3:41 PM, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't think the Ravens are prepared to pay $11M for BW. Snacks is a good comparison since they're very similar players, Snacks was/is a bit better against the run than Williams, we'll see what happens. Just because the Ravens made him a priority doesn't mean they'll keep him. 

Snacks this year had one of the best run stopping years by a defensive lineman in recent memory. Not sure BWill touches anything close.

[BmoreBird22]

On 1/13/2017 at 1:10 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

It's very possible Barwin gets cut in Philly. They can save something like $7m by cutting him. Said he'd be willing to restructure but he's just not a fit for their wide 9.

Hes 30 and coming off a bad year so could be affordable. And not too far removed from a highly productive year from a pass rush perspective in a 3-4. 

Not exactly getting younger, but I'd keep an eye on that if we cut Doom... or even as a reasonable FA add if we keep Doom and aren't going to spend a high pick. 

We need fresh quality edge rushers... and I want Judon getting more snaps, but Suggs and Doom are only going to be able to handle less and less snaps - plus Barwin isn't bad against the run. 

Itd give us a pretty solid rotation - and if we could get him for 2-3 years, $7-12m I'd be intrigued. 

He's also an incredibly good person who is very well liked in the community. He's the type of player the fan base would love to have.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

No one has mentioned special teams at all. After yesterday evening i think it shows that even our special teams was not so special. Hester had some very nice returns in the game after doing nothing here. Is that a result of him not trying or a lack of execution on special teams (Harb's forte) ?

[jazz1988]

33 minutes ago, nextgen_RavensFan said:

No one has mentioned special teams at all. After yesterday evening i think it shows that even our special teams was not so special. Hester had some very nice returns in the game after doing nothing here. Is that a result of him not trying or a lack of execution on special teams (Harb's forte) ?

I think a player getting cut and probably having enough time  to heal what ever injury he has can do wonders . It was reported that Devin Hester was playing through a hamstring injury  while playing with The Ravens which I believe affected his play. I think he was probably too worried about his injury along with trying to not mess up because he did have some fumbles here and there . For a guy that's 35 years old and new to the team it probably puts more pressure on his shoulders to preform well . Overall I think he just lost his confidence and probably was over thinking too much and after like 3 or so weeks when he was a free agent due to being cut by The Ravens he had all the time to heal up and actually get his mind right. He may even been pissed off that he was cut as well especially since he is very accomplished kick/punt returner and may go to the hall of fame base off that alone. 

[January J]

2 hours ago, nextgen_RavensFan said:

No one has mentioned special teams at all. After yesterday evening i think it shows that even our special teams was not so special. Hester had some very nice returns in the game after doing nothing here. Is that a result of him not trying or a lack of execution on special teams (Harb's forte) ?

Yeah it figures he wants to ball out now. I don't buy the injury excuse. The dude couldn't even fair catch a ball. He looked hesistant every single kick and made so many bad choices on letting balls bounce and then just muffing them. Injury has nothing to do with that. But then he goes and  has a game like that with another team. Just figures really. If we had Hester looking like that even half the time we may have won a few more games.I know it was likely his last game and he was going up against  his old team for extra incentive to ball out but still- he looked NOTHING like that. I'm just baffled. I think we go into next season with Moore and campanaro unless we find a specialist in the draft.

[rmw10]

2 hours ago, nextgen_RavensFan said:

No one has mentioned special teams at all. After yesterday evening i think it shows that even our special teams was not so special. Hester had some very nice returns in the game after doing nothing here. Is that a result of him not trying or a lack of execution on special teams (Harb's forte) ?

It's a combination of factors. Hester was always fine when he actually had the ball in his hands. It was the process of actually catching the ball that was the problem. Even on his big punt return, he still didn't look so great bringing it in. He still went to the ground trying to reel it in. He just got lucky that it was a boomer and he actually had some room to field it. 

The other factor is injuries. He pretty much just took a knee of every kickoff as he was going through his injuries during the season. He was much better of kickoffs than he was punts. Unfortunately, we just didn't get to see that much. A heathy version of himself was more willing to take some chances on bringing them out. 

[Moderator 3]

58 minutes ago, January J said:

Yeah it figures he wants to ball out now. I don't buy the injury excuse. The dude couldn't even fair catch a ball. He looked hesistant every single kick and made so many bad choices on letting balls bounce and then just muffing them. Injury has nothing to do with that. But then he goes and  has a game like that with another team. Just figures really. If we had Hester looking like that even half the time we may have won a few more games.I know it was likely his last game and he was going up against  his old team for extra incentive to ball out but still- he looked NOTHING like that. I'm just baffled. I think we go into next season with Moore and campanaro unless we find a specialist in the draft.

Just a thought but maybe getting cut helped him get his head out of his butt. Since he KNEW this was his last shot, he went all out and stopped flinching away from the ball.

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Yeah it figures he wants to ball out now. I don't buy the injury excuse. The dude couldn't even fair catch a ball. He looked hesistant every single kick and made so many bad choices on letting balls bounce and then just muffing them. Injury has nothing to do with that. But then he goes and  has a game like that with another team. Just figures really. If we had Hester looking like that even half the time we may have won a few more games.I know it was likely his last game and he was going up against  his old team for extra incentive to ball out but still- he looked NOTHING like that. I'm just baffled. I think we go into next season with Moore and campanaro unless we find a specialist in the draft.

I think the injury matters with his unwillingness to bring the ball out on kickoffs, but the fact that he wasn't fielding punts was purely confidence for him.  In all honesty, other than his willingness to bring out the ball on kickoffs, that's pretty much the Hester we had all season.  He still struggled fielding that punt.  He just got lucky that the punter out kicked the coverage and he had time to rebound.  He definitely didn't bring that in cleanly.  He was always good here when he actually had the ball.  It was getting the ball that was the problem.

[January J]

22 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

Just a thought but maybe getting cut helped him get his head out of his butt. Since he KNEW this was his last shot, he went all out and stopped flinching away from the ball.

Yeah very possible. Didn't he announce his retirement after the game too or was that just a rumor?

[dallas_texan]

Hello Ravens fans, I come in peace!   Texans fan here, I am doing an informal write up on Right Tackles (you may have seen ours get cut to the ground falling on his knees on a career ending hit that took out BOTH patella tendons). 

Wagner is very curious to me as he had a very solid 2014, followed by a somewhat rough 2015.  He seems to have bounced back, looking at the numbers, but I didn't have an opportunity to see many live Ravens games until the end of the year.  The numbers show you about 13th in the league as an O-line as a whole.  He only had 3 penalties accepted this year, which would be a HUGE improvement alone (our backup Chris Clark had 17......yes you read that right).

What did you guys think of his play, and are you hoping to get him back for 2017 or indifferent?

 

Thanks guys.  Happy to help with any questions about Texans FA's.  (Ryan Griffen, AJ Bouye, Quinten Demps, John Simon, Brandon Weeden, Akeem Dent and potential roster cuts : JJo, Cushing (really hope not though). 

[DomMcRaven]

2 hours ago, dallas_texan said:

Hello Ravens fans, I come in peace!   Texans fan here, I am doing an informal write up on Right Tackles (you may have seen ours get cut to the ground falling on his knees on a career ending hit that took out BOTH patella tendons). 

Wagner is very curious to me as he had a very solid 2014, followed by a somewhat rough 2015.  He seems to have bounced back, looking at the numbers, but I didn't have an opportunity to see many live Ravens games until the end of the year.  The numbers show you about 13th in the league as an O-line as a whole.  He only had 3 penalties accepted this year, which would be a HUGE improvement alone (our backup Chris Clark had 17......yes you read that right).

What did you guys think of his play, and are you hoping to get him back for 2017 or indifferent?

 

Thanks guys.  Happy to help with any questions about Texans FA's.  (Ryan Griffen, AJ Bouye, Quinten Demps, John Simon, Brandon Weeden, Akeem Dent and potential roster cuts : JJo, Cushing (really hope not though). 

Personally, I hope we keep Wagner for the sake of continuity. In our "State of the Ravens" press conference, our Front Office mentioned that one of the keys of the offseason is to build our offensive line. I'm sure there will be another Ravens fan who can talk more about his ability better than I can. However, it depends on how much he's asking so we'll see. It's not a coincidence that Flacco started playing better down the stretch.

As far as your Texans free agents are concerned, who are most likely to get cut?

[trevorsteadman]

2 hours ago, dallas_texan said:

Hello Ravens fans, I come in peace!   Texans fan here, I am doing an informal write up on Right Tackles (you may have seen ours get cut to the ground falling on his knees on a career ending hit that took out BOTH patella tendons). 

Wagner is very curious to me as he had a very solid 2014, followed by a somewhat rough 2015.  He seems to have bounced back, looking at the numbers, but I didn't have an opportunity to see many live Ravens games until the end of the year.  The numbers show you about 13th in the league as an O-line as a whole.  He only had 3 penalties accepted this year, which would be a HUGE improvement alone (our backup Chris Clark had 17......yes you read that right).

What did you guys think of his play, and are you hoping to get him back for 2017 or indifferent?

 

Thanks guys.  Happy to help with any questions about Texans FA's.  (Ryan Griffen, AJ Bouye, Quinten Demps, John Simon, Brandon Weeden, Akeem Dent and potential roster cuts : JJo, Cushing (really hope not though). 

Hes he is a pretty solid right tackle when he has been healthy. The only issue is a team will probably try to make him their LT and I don't think he would be worth $10+ million a season. Definitely a good player. 

AJ Bouye really broke out and looked fantastic against the Patriots. I bet he gets a huge payday.

[allblackraven]

3 hours ago, dallas_texan said:

Hello Ravens fans, I come in peace!   Texans fan here, I am doing an informal write up on Right Tackles (you may have seen ours get cut to the ground falling on his knees on a career ending hit that took out BOTH patella tendons). 

Wagner is very curious to me as he had a very solid 2014, followed by a somewhat rough 2015.  He seems to have bounced back, looking at the numbers, but I didn't have an opportunity to see many live Ravens games until the end of the year.  The numbers show you about 13th in the league as an O-line as a whole.  He only had 3 penalties accepted this year, which would be a HUGE improvement alone (our backup Chris Clark had 17......yes you read that right).

What did you guys think of his play, and are you hoping to get him back for 2017 or indifferent?

 

Thanks guys.  Happy to help with any questions about Texans FA's.  (Ryan Griffen, AJ Bouye, Quinten Demps, John Simon, Brandon Weeden, Akeem Dent and potential roster cuts : JJo, Cushing (really hope not though). 

Wagner's 2015 was patchy due to foot injury. He carried that over into the start of this season but slowly got better as it healed and was back to his almost best by the end. In full health and form he is one of the top RTs in the NFL IMO, thus it'll cost a fair amount of money to sign him. I'm sure the Ravens will do everything they can to keep him, though but he'll get lot of interest in FA.

[rmw10]

3 hours ago, dallas_texan said:

Hello Ravens fans, I come in peace!   Texans fan here, I am doing an informal write up on Right Tackles (you may have seen ours get cut to the ground falling on his knees on a career ending hit that took out BOTH patella tendons). 

Wagner is very curious to me as he had a very solid 2014, followed by a somewhat rough 2015.  He seems to have bounced back, looking at the numbers, but I didn't have an opportunity to see many live Ravens games until the end of the year.  The numbers show you about 13th in the league as an O-line as a whole.  He only had 3 penalties accepted this year, which would be a HUGE improvement alone (our backup Chris Clark had 17......yes you read that right).

What did you guys think of his play, and are you hoping to get him back for 2017 or indifferent?

 

Thanks guys.  Happy to help with any questions about Texans FA's.  (Ryan Griffen, AJ Bouye, Quinten Demps, John Simon, Brandon Weeden, Akeem Dent and potential roster cuts : JJo, Cushing (really hope not though). 

Wagner is an interesting case.  He was really good in 2014, but went down with the dreaded lisfranc injury at the end of the season.  We've seen countless players who really struggle in their next year back from that awful injury, so I'd think 2015 had a lot more to do with his recovery than anything else.  He started 2016 a little questionable, but really rounded into 2014 form as the season went on.

If it was up to me, Wagner would be the priority re-signing over Brandon Williams.  However, I think the team may be looking in a different direction.  During our season ending press conference, it was said that we want to get bigger and stronger on the OL.  Neither of those really describe Wagner.  He's not supremely athletic, but has good feet and relies on his technique.  I prefer my OL that was personally, but it sounds like the team may be looking for something different.

[jboy19]

3 hours ago, dallas_texan said:

Hello Ravens fans, I come in peace!   Texans fan here, I am doing an informal write up on Right Tackles (you may have seen ours get cut to the ground falling on his knees on a career ending hit that took out BOTH patella tendons). 

Wagner is very curious to me as he had a very solid 2014, followed by a somewhat rough 2015.  He seems to have bounced back, looking at the numbers, but I didn't have an opportunity to see many live Ravens games until the end of the year.  The numbers show you about 13th in the league as an O-line as a whole.  He only had 3 penalties accepted this year, which would be a HUGE improvement alone (our backup Chris Clark had 17......yes you read that right).

What did you guys think of his play, and are you hoping to get him back for 2017 or indifferent?

 

Thanks guys.  Happy to help with any questions about Texans FA's.  (Ryan Griffen, AJ Bouye, Quinten Demps, John Simon, Brandon Weeden, Akeem Dent and potential roster cuts : JJo, Cushing (really hope not though). 

I think the team (and fans) would take him back at a reasonable value- 6.8mil/year is probably where that line would be drawn. I personally think the open market could drive his price over 9mil/year, so I'm not really expecting him back if he isn't signed in the next couple months. 

I have no major complaints about his play, the situation is somewhat similar to the Osemele situation the team had last year, where it's a guy who stabilizes the line when healthy, but has only played one full season- in which he did struggle with injury. Another problem is that even when he did play he was hurt a lot of the time and that affected him. Osemele's situation was a little different in that he was expected to get starting LT money at this point before FA, and I don't think Wagner will get paid like LT money- but the hip, new Dallas/Oakland blueprint muddies the water. 

So I guess to summarize, I'd be sad to see him go because he is an above-average NFL lineman and has done a lot for this team, but he isn't really the special talent that some team will probably pay him to be if he hits the open market. 

[codizzle]

4 hours ago, dallas_texan said:

Hello Ravens fans, I come in peace!   Texans fan here, I am doing an informal write up on Right Tackles (you may have seen ours get cut to the ground falling on his knees on a career ending hit that took out BOTH patella tendons). 

Wagner is very curious to me as he had a very solid 2014, followed by a somewhat rough 2015.  He seems to have bounced back, looking at the numbers, but I didn't have an opportunity to see many live Ravens games until the end of the year.  The numbers show you about 13th in the league as an O-line as a whole.  He only had 3 penalties accepted this year, which would be a HUGE improvement alone (our backup Chris Clark had 17......yes you read that right).

What did you guys think of his play, and are you hoping to get him back for 2017 or indifferent?

 

Thanks guys.  Happy to help with any questions about Texans FA's.  (Ryan Griffen, AJ Bouye, Quinten Demps, John Simon, Brandon Weeden, Akeem Dent and potential roster cuts : JJo, Cushing (really hope not though). 

Who's that John Simon guy 😂

[JustinB]

8 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Who's that John Simon guy 😂

God that still stings a little.  I had high hopes for him here

[arnie_uk]

4 hours ago, dallas_texan said:

Hello Ravens fans, I come in peace!   Texans fan here, I am doing an informal write up on Right Tackles (you may have seen ours get cut to the ground falling on his knees on a career ending hit that took out BOTH patella tendons). 

Wagner is very curious to me as he had a very solid 2014, followed by a somewhat rough 2015.  He seems to have bounced back, looking at the numbers, but I didn't have an opportunity to see many live Ravens games until the end of the year.  The numbers show you about 13th in the league as an O-line as a whole.  He only had 3 penalties accepted this year, which would be a HUGE improvement alone (our backup Chris Clark had 17......yes you read that right).

What did you guys think of his play, and are you hoping to get him back for 2017 or indifferent?

 

Thanks guys.  Happy to help with any questions about Texans FA's.  (Ryan Griffen, AJ Bouye, Quinten Demps, John Simon, Brandon Weeden, Akeem Dent and potential roster cuts : JJo, Cushing (really hope not though). 

Talk to me....