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[GrimCoconut]

Hypothetical question here but let's say we 2nd round tender Orr as expected and which I agree, btw. Let's say a team puts in a bid on him. Do you match the bid and keep him or let him go and get that 2nd round pick? 

[Rav'n Maniac]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Hypothetical question here but let's say we 2nd round tender Orr as expected and which I agree, btw. Let's say a team puts in a bid on him. Do you match the bid and keep him or let him go and get that 2nd round pick? 

Good question! I feel it will depend on the offer that is made. Orr did a good job alongside of Mosley, together they made a strong tandem. Still, I can't see us getting into a bidding war over him if it came to that.

[redlobster]

19 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Hypothetical question here but let's say we 2nd round tender Orr as expected and which I agree, btw. Let's say a team puts in a bid on him. Do you match the bid and keep him or let him go and get that 2nd round pick? 

Nope, I let him walk. Would immediately use that pick to move up in first round for Foster.

[AnthonyGames]

We need to cut the low hanging fruit at CB - Arrington and Kendrick Lewis for sure. Maybe Wirght too, but then again, we need some depth, and he's Jimmy Smith's best friend (keep Jimmy's morale high). Dumervil, Pitta or Watson, Zuttah all being cut will help with payroll. Also. all this talk about WR, just throwing this out there: Perriman in the most gifted WR in Ravens history? The speed and catching radius he showed was impressive. He needs to improve big time, but I'm optimistic.

[gtalk12]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I still think if the Ravens deside to cut ties with Wallace then they need another deep threat. Desean Jackson is a name to toss out but I have a feeling he will be payed more than Wallace is currently getting. They need a chain mover badly more than anything. I think the team needs to hold onto Wallace so Flacco can have a little bit of consistency. 

Wallace played well, why would we release him?

[hen826957]

28 minutes ago, redlobster said:

Nope, I let him walk. Would immediately use that pick to move up in first round for Foster.

I wouldn't. Zachary Orr is becoming a great LB. The guy has 133 tackles and 3 interceptions this season. That's impressive especially by just won the starting role in the preseason. We starting to have a LB tandem here. CJ Mosley almost have 100 tackles and 4 picks they pretty much equal. It a matter of time before the NFL would start noticing him. While Mosley is in the Pro Bowl, Orr should be there but the Pro Bowl is a popularity vote so nobody ain't noticing him yet. Mosley and Orr l like that tandem. Orr is an up and coming great LB. l wouldn't give him up for an 1st or 2nd round unproven player. 

Edited January 10 by hen826957

[jazz1988]

46 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Hypothetical question here but let's say we 2nd round tender Orr as expected and which I agree, btw. Let's say a team puts in a bid on him. Do you match the bid and keep him or let him go and get that 2nd round pick? 

It's difficult to say but The Ravens do have Correa who I think may have more upside than Zach Orr  and could turn out to be similar player as Jamie Collins.

[redlobster]

14 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

I wouldn't. Zachary Orr is becoming a great LB. The guy has 133 tackles and 3 interceptions this season. That's impressive especially by just won the starting role in the preseason. We starting to have a LB tandem here. CJ Mosley almost have 100 tackles and 4 picks they pretty much equal. It a matter of time before the NFL would start noticing him. While Mosley is in the Pro Bowl, Orr should be there but the Pro Bowl is a popularity vote so nobody ain't noticing him yet. Mosley and Orr l like that tandem. Orr is an up and coming great LB. l wouldn't give him up for an 1st or 2nd round unproven player. 

What do you do when Mosley and Orr both come up for extensions after 2017 season? I'd much rather take a 2nd round pick and use that as a replacement for Orr or to upgrade other positions.

Edited January 10 by redlobster

[hen826957]

6 minutes ago, redlobster said:

What do you do when Mosley and Orr both come up for extensions after 2017 season?

They have to find a way. If Seattle can keep thier star players so can we.  They need to manange their cap because If they actually gonna trade a 24 year old upcoming LB for a 2nd rounder then that's mess up. They can't keep letting players go when they develop all the time and let rookies replace them. I understand they can't keep all but it almost a tradition. Once rookies contract expires you gotta go. Poor management if they can't pay the players they want to keep. 

[PurpleCity5]

Harbaugh and Ozzie seem really confident in building the OL. I think the team is confident that they will retain Wagner, I also think we're going to attack C much more this year. 

[trevorsteadman]

That depends if the Ravens feel Orr is really that good this year or if it was just the situations he was put in that made him excel. This reminds me of the Aiken situation last year. Everybody was all over using a 2nd round tender on him. Then what happened? He disappeared. He even produced very little in the situations he was used and now looks like he will test free agency. All depends on where they think Correa was at. Because at the beginning of the offseason all talks were about him being everywhere and making plays everywhere then he disappeared and has been active for very few games. 

[omar586]

pass rushers, OL depth, CBs is our priority this offseason, 

 

we have to keep wagner, no more turnover at the OL position, we need a couple pass rushers added, at least 2 starting caliber CBs thru FA or draft. 

[rossihunter2]

it's all down to the offer that's made - if its exorbitant then we wont match it because we cant and we'd take the pick and move on, if it's a fair contract we might match it - remember what the other team is giving up - not many teams are going to give up a big contract and a high pick to a player that's only started for 1 season and yes was good but wasnt by any means the best in the league

[Deflated Football]

2 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

It's difficult to say but The Ravens do have Correa who I think may have more upside than Zach Orr  and could turn out to be similar player as Jamie Collins.

Based on what exactly? Orr actually played at LB and played well. Correa has shown nothing in the pros. 

[redlobster]

2 hours ago, hen826957 said:

They have to find a way. If Seattle can keep thier star players so can we.  They need to manange their cap because If they actually gonna trade a 24 year old upcoming LB for a 2nd rounder then that's mess up. They can't keep letting players go when they develop all the time and let rookies replace them. I understand they can't keep all but it almost a tradition. Once rookies contract expires you gotta go. Poor management if they can't pay the players they want to keep. 

Seattle can keep star players because 5 of their 11 offensive starters were signed as UDFA , not to mention a couple of their starting defenders.

[jazz1988]

20 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Based on what exactly? Orr actually played at LB and played well. Correa has shown nothing in the pros. 

I wouldn't say Correa has shown totally nothing in the pros but upside has nothing to do what was shown in the pros either.

[January J]

3 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

Wallace played well, why would we release him?

Not during the second half of the season... He tapered off big time. 

Still , a 1000 yard season is a great accomplishment.

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Hypothetical question here but let's say we 2nd round tender Orr as expected and which I agree, btw. Let's say a team puts in a bid on him. Do you match the bid and keep him or let him go and get that 2nd round pick? 

Tough call but I'd keep Orr. He's only going to get better and I'd be pissed if we whiffed on the pick. Stick with what we know we have.

[trevorsteadman]

5 hours ago, January J said:

Not during the second half of the season... He tapered off big time. 

Still , a 1000 yard season is a great accomplishment.

Tough call but I'd keep Orr. He's only going to get better and I'd be pissed if we whiffed on the pick. Stick with what we know we have.

I agree he tapered off but he had great stats in the role he played. I hope the team keeps him.

And I agree keep with the guy who just proved himself. He is only getting better and better. Wouldn't be wise to separate one of the best if not the best inside linebacking duo in the league. 

[ravenz2752]

Anyone know why we deny putting Correa at pass rush?

[arnie_uk]

11 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

I wouldn't say Correa has shown totally nothing in the pros but upside has nothing to do what was shown in the pros either.

He played maybe 50 snaps. He showed zero

[jazz1988]

2 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

He played maybe 50 snaps. He showed zero

He played 50 snaps nearly had  a interception against The Jags which just became a pass deflection by him and had a force fumble that wasn't  credited to him against The Jets so that doesn't exactly sound like he showed zero to me .

Edited January 11 by jazz1988

[jazz1988]

7 hours ago, ravenz2752 said:

Anyone know why we deny putting Correa at pass rush?

They actually did but  use him in other ways as well. 

[trevorsteadman]

10 hours ago, ravenz2752 said:

Anyone know why we deny putting Correa at pass rush?

I think the team realizes he isn't big enough yet muscle wise to be able to power through NFL tackles. He is quite small still I'm hoping he bulks up so he doesn't hit a tackle like a kid running into a brick wall. Plus I still think his skill set would be better used on the inside with his sideline to sideline pursuit.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

21 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Hypothetical question here but let's say we 2nd round tender Orr as expected and which I agree, btw. Let's say a team puts in a bid on him. Do you match the bid and keep him or let him go and get that 2nd round pick? 

That's going to be a tough call.

I might even consider trying to get Orr locked up on a 3 year deal. If they think this year is a true reflection of who he's going to be, and continue improving - try to get it done well below market value. If he holds out, he holds out. But that'll at least give you an indication of what his intentions are come FA and gives you more info to make the tender decision (accept the pick, or try to outbid).

Plus, if you offer him a deal that he doesnt accept... and then someone comes with a bid that's below what we originally offered - might cause him to rethink and take the relative bargain 3 year offer.

 

I'd just like to see us, when possible, be a bit more aggressive in locking key guys up. Especially the ones that arent going to break the bank.

Edited January 11 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[trevorsteadman]

22 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

That's going to be a tough call.

I might even consider trying to get Orr locked up on a 3 year deal. If they think this year is a true reflection of who he's going to be, and continue improving - try to get it done well below market value. If he holds out, he holds out. But that'll at least give you an indication of what his intentions are come FA and gives you more info to make the tender decision (accept the pick, or try to outbid).

Plus, if you offer him a deal that he doesnt accept... and then someone comes with a bid that's below what we originally offered - might cause him to rethink and take the relative bargain 3 year offer.

 

I'd just like to see us, when possible, be a bit more aggressive in locking key guys up. Especially the ones that arent going to break the bank.

The only reason I would say to wait is because of what Kamar Aiken did last year. Same situation almost at a different position. It would suck if they broke out a decent chunk of change on Orr when he only has 1 season of that caliber. I think and hope Orr continues to improve and plays at a high level but I remember a lot of fans wanting to give Aiken a decent deal last season after his break out season to make sure he was locked up just in case Steve Smith walked out the door. Plus I think the team might wait the year to see how much Correa improves. 

I agree we need to lock up key guys early that shouldn't break the bank. But this is a risk move and I think the Ravens hold out a year still which will suck if he has another break out season. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

The only reason I would say to wait is because of what Kamar Aiken did last year. Same situation almost at a different position. It would suck if they broke out a decent chunk of change on Orr when he only has 1 season of that caliber. I think and hope Orr continues to improve and plays at a high level but I remember a lot of fans wanting to give Aiken a decent deal last season after his break out season to make sure he was locked up just in case Steve Smith walked out the door. Plus I think the team might wait the year to see how much Correa improves. 

I agree we need to lock up key guys early that shouldn't break the bank. But this is a risk move and I think the Ravens hold out a year still which will suck if he has another break out season. 

I would say not same situation. Aiken was the only even decent receiver and was force fed the ball.

Orr had a great year, racking up tackles, while playing alongside another ILB and SS who both were great tacklers. In theory, that shouldve made it more difficult for him to post a high number, but he was still the guy most frequently flying to the ball.

[hereweare]

18 hours ago, January J said:

Not during the second half of the season... He tapered off big time. 

Still , a 1000 yard season is a great accomplishment.

 

Agree on both statements. While I think an efficient route runner and chain moving WR along side Perriman sounds better than Wallace and Perriman... It is possible that a significantly improved run game would eliminate the constant 2 high safeties look we got all season long and we could see more of a deep threat Wallace next season?

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I would say not same situation. Aiken was the only even decent receiver and was force fed the ball.

Orr had a great year, racking up tackles, while playing alongside another ILB and SS who both were great tacklers. In theory, that shouldve made it more difficult for him to post a high number, but he was still the guy most frequently flying to the ball.

Yes but you could almost argue that almost any inside linebacker the team has put in there as the #2 inside linebacker has done a relatively decent job, if not better, for the team the last little while. So you would also view how valuable you actually see Zach Orr. It is a strange situation because he initially lost his starting position to Kamalei Correa early in the offseason to then win it back and Correa was inactive. I really wonder how big of a gap there is between the two. I don't want to take anything from Zach Orr, I think he was a surprise and the MVP of the defense this year and definitely deserved a pro bowl. I just would be hesitant on one year of anything close to this production. It all depends on what that ballpark number would be. 

And while yes Aiken was targeted a million times due to the lack of any other weapon at the time.... He still got open quite a bit and people started hyping him up calling him the next Boldin replacement. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Yes but you could almost argue that almost any inside linebacker the team has put in there as the #2 inside linebacker has done a relatively decent job, if not better, for the team the last little while. So you would also view how valuable you actually see Zach Orr. It is a strange situation because he initially lost his starting position to Kamalei Correa early in the offseason to then win it back and Correa was inactive. I really wonder how big of a gap there is between the two. I don't want to take anything from Zach Orr, I think he was a surprise and the MVP of the defense this year and definitely deserved a pro bowl. I just would be hesitant on one year of anything close to this production. It all depends on what that ballpark number would be. 

And while yes Aiken was targeted a million times due to the lack of any other weapon at the time.... He still got open quite a bit and people started hyping him up calling him the next Boldin replacement. 

Daryl Smith didnt play half as well as last year as Orr did this year.

And, the end of 2015 Orr was already coming on - playing more and more, better and better. So, it's not like a 1 year surprise thing. They see him in practice every day... they know what he is. Just like they knew what Aiken truly was, and why they didnt go all out trying to extend him. If they do it for Orr, I trust is justified.

Im just saying, when they do feel its justified, id like to see us be more aggressive. If you think he truly is this guy we saw, then try and lock him up for average #2 LB money.

Obviously i trust the organization and coaches either way. But i think theres a lot more evidence to Orr's performance being a legitimate sample of who he is (earning playing time his first year, starter 2nd year... unlike Aiken who bounced around for year before getting noticed... and Orr stood out in a lineup of great players; Aiken only stood out with nobodies) which is why im of this opinion. If they dont think so... i wont call it a mistake or anything.

 

I will however if in a year we lose him in FA and he goes on to be a dominant ILB for another team and we couldve had him below market value for a while. Kind of like losing McPhee - if there was a chance to lock him up for 3-5 years early on, it shouldve been done. Hindsight makes it easy to say that, but thats the case. If we couldve locked KO up 2 years ago well below market value - it would be great right now.

So making these preemptive strikes in the right situations could be the difference between us retaining more of our best, young players... and watching them walk away to the highest bidder. Locking them up before they have that huge, breakout, season where they become household names.

Edited January 11 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[hereweare]

21 hours ago, hen826957 said:

They have to find a way. If Seattle can keep thier star players so can we.  They need to manange their cap because If they actually gonna trade a 24 year old upcoming LB for a 2nd rounder then that's mess up. They can't keep letting players go when they develop all the time and let rookies replace them. I understand they can't keep all but it almost a tradition. Once rookies contract expires you gotta go. Poor management if they can't pay the players they want to keep. 

I hear this is misconception all the time. Seattle has decided to keep their defense together because it is proven great enough to win a SB. And still have lost Irvin, Browner, Mebane, Maxwell to note. Otherwise they suffer on offense losing Golden Tate and 3 OL in recent years (Unger via trade, Okung and Sweezy).
They only spend $6.26 mil against the cap on the OL!! 
They rank 5th in defensive spending and 30th in offensive spending.
 

Edited January 11 by hereweare