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[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

That's fair. Just don't think that's the typical MO for him, especially with how he stated it in the article. 

With that being said, it still wouldn't shock me at all if we resign Wagner and not Williams. 

yea we clearly read that article differently because I read it as pure speculation on his part. The true is, history has shown that the Ravens will only bring guys  back at the right price. So Williams might indeed be the priority and the Ravens make him an aggressive offer just before FA starts. But if he's leaving he'll be gone within hours of the market opening imo. The Ravens will know ahead of time if they are likely to lose out BW and would turn to Wagner immediately even if he wasn't the priority. 

Really don't see Juice being anybody's priority lol. Even as a pro bowl FB just isn't at the top of many teams wish list. 

If I had to put a percentage on it. I'd say Juice is 99% sure to return. Wagner 75% just because other teams will have big money and someone may be willing to throw huge money at him but I doubt it. I'd put Williams at 45% right now. I just think someone will throw a large amount of money at him and the Ravens will be smart not to compete. Bad contracts has been the biggest factor in this team not having great depth over the last few years and paying huge money for BW would allow that same pattern imo. 

[rmw10]

20 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

yea we clearly read that article differently because I read it as pure speculation on his part. The true is, history has shown that the Ravens will only bring guys  back at the right price. So Williams might indeed be the priority and the Ravens make him an aggressive offer just before FA starts. But if he's leaving he'll be gone within hours of the market opening imo. The Ravens will know ahead of time if they are likely to lose out BW and would turn to Wagner immediately even if he wasn't the priority. 

Really don't see Juice being anybody's priority lol. Even as a pro bowl FB just isn't at the top of many teams wish list. 

If I had to put a percentage on it. I'd say Juice is 99% sure to return. Wagner 75% just because other teams will have big money and someone may be willing to throw huge money at him but I doubt it. I'd put Williams at 45% right now. I just think someone will throw a large amount of money at him and the Ravens will be smart not to compete. Bad contracts has been the biggest factor in this team not having great depth over the last few years and paying huge money for BW would allow that same pattern imo. 

Yeah it's way too early and we'll see how it plays out in the coming months.

I agree wholeheartedly on Juice.  There just aren't enough teams out there that use a FB enough to justify giving him a contract, and those that do have some younger rookies (Janovich, Ripkowski) in place already.  I think Juice will actually find the most value here because we actually use him in a variety of different ways and he's already seen that role.  Across the league, there aren't many teams that have a FB that use him the way we do.

After that, I see 3 possibilities...

1.  If the speculation on Williams is true, we keep him, Juice, and some of the lower level FAs like Levine, Lewis-Harris, etc.  Wagner, Guy, and Aiken walk.  We rely on Urban, Kaufusi, and Davis to step up in Guy's absence, and look at maybe a vet to plug in on the OL.

2.  We keep Wagner, Juice, Guy, and some of the lower level guys I mentioned above.  Guy shouldn't break the bank or anything, and I think they'd be comfortable giving him a shorter team, but multi year deal to go along with Pierce and Jernigan.  His contract shouldn't hamper anything.  Williams and Aiken walk.

3.  We keep neither Williams nor Wagner, but keep Guy, Juice, and some lower level guys.  I'm fearful for this happening, because I don't know what the team would do with the money in that case.  I feel like they'd try to use it on another guy that doesn't factor into the comp pick equation, but I feel like if both walk, you need to prioritize getting some sort of upper level talent somewhere no matter what type of FA he is.  I'm not sure if the Weddle signing is an aberration or not.

[Ravensfan23]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah it's way too early and we'll see how it plays out in the coming months.

I agree wholeheartedly on Juice.  There just aren't enough teams out there that use a FB enough to justify giving him a contract, and those that do have some younger rookies (Janovich, Ripkowski) in place already.  I think Juice will actually find the most value here because we actually use him in a variety of different ways and he's already seen that role.  Across the league, there aren't many teams that have a FB that use him the way we do.

After that, I see 3 possibilities...

1.  If the speculation on Williams is true, we keep him, Juice, and some of the lower level FAs like Levine, Lewis-Harris, etc.  Wagner, Guy, and Aiken walk.  We rely on Urban, Kaufusi, and Davis to step up in Guy's absence, and look at maybe a vet to plug in on the OL.

2.  We keep Wagner, Juice, Guy, and some of the lower level guys I mentioned above.  Guy shouldn't break the bank or anything, and I think they'd be comfortable giving him a shorter team, but multi year deal to go along with Pierce and Jernigan.  His contract shouldn't hamper anything.  Williams and Aiken walk.

3.  We keep neither Williams nor Wagner, but keep Guy, Juice, and some lower level guys.  I'm fearful for this happening, because I don't know what the team would do with the money in that case.  I feel like they'd try to use it on another guy that doesn't factor into the comp pick equation, but I feel like if both walk, you need to prioritize getting some sort of upper level talent somewhere no matter what type of FA he is.  I'm not sure if the Weddle signing is an aberration or not.

Definitely could see it playing out that way. 

Right now i'm leaning towards #2 right now. I think the strength of the Dline is in the numbers not individual players. BW is a great player but i'm not sure he's that much of a difference maker. You can retain key pieces to the core of your team with the money he'll command. Give me Wagner, Juice and Guy for nearly the same amount of money Williams will command and I'm great with that. 

I think the most interesting name you mentioned was Davis. If I remember correctly you've had a roller coast type opinion of him. You liked him coming out his rookie year but was disappointed with him last year correct? I think he's  guy that has to develop into a player who can add to the defensive rotation. He and Pierce could lessen the blow of losing Williams but it's hard to really say either guy is ready right now. I'll be paying close attention to Carl Davis this season one way or another. 

I honestly can't see a scenario where both those guys walk and if they do, a top flight CB or Pass rusher better be coming in return. Even though they don't have a ton of cap space, I think the Ravens are in a great position right now because there aren't many big contracts coming up other than Timmy.Once those 30 year old big contracts come off the book, it's young guys still on their rookie deals who are playing the best right now. I'd allow BW to walk, sign Wagner, Juice and Guy who shouldn't be expensive at all. Than i'd cut the necessary guys to create cap space like, Pitta, Doom, Zuttah etc and use that money to bring in a CB like Stephon Gilmore to really shore up this secondary. I think Jimmy, Gilmore and Young give you 3 starting CBs and Wright provides good depth along with young guys like Price and Canady developing. 

[Deflated Football]

It's sad watching the Steelers' big 3 shred defenses apart when they're healthy and we don't even have a big 1. It stings even more when you realize they are all home grown. We built our defense like the Steelers' over the years. Please start doing the same with the offense. 

[B-more Ravor]

6 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Why do we need a safety?

 

Well, at this point Weddle, Webb and Lewis are under contract; Huff is a RFA and Levine and Elam are FAs.  IMO, it's very possible that Webb and Lewis are released and Huff is non-tendered (can't see him being tendered at $1.8M).  So, that could leave Weddle as the only Safety under contract or under team control as of March.  That doesn't mean they will draft one in the 1st round (although if Hooker from OSU somehow gets that far, he'd be hard to pass up), but they definitely may very well need to restock the position.

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Definitely could see it playing out that way. 

Right now i'm leaning towards #2 right now. I think the strength of the Dline is in the numbers not individual players. BW is a great player but i'm not sure he's that much of a difference maker. You can retain key pieces to the core of your team with the money he'll command. Give me Wagner, Juice and Guy for nearly the same amount of money Williams will command and I'm great with that. 

I think the most interesting name you mentioned was Davis. If I remember correctly you've had a roller coast type opinion of him. You liked him coming out his rookie year but was disappointed with him last year correct? I think he's  guy that has to develop into a player who can add to the defensive rotation. He and Pierce could lessen the blow of losing Williams but it's hard to really say either guy is ready right now. I'll be paying close attention to Carl Davis this season one way or another. 

I honestly can't see a scenario where both those guys walk and if they do, a top flight CB or Pass rusher better be coming in return. Even though they don't have a ton of cap space, I think the Ravens are in a great position right now because there aren't many big contracts coming up other than Timmy.Once those 30 year old big contracts come off the book, it's young guys still on their rookie deals who are playing the best right now. I'd allow BW to walk, sign Wagner, Juice and Guy who shouldn't be expensive at all. Than i'd cut the necessary guys to create cap space like, Pitta, Doom, Zuttah etc and use that money to bring in a CB like Stephon Gilmore to really shore up this secondary. I think Jimmy, Gilmore and Young give you 3 starting CBs and Wright provides good depth along with young guys like Price and Canady developing. 

Yeah.  I really liked Davis out, but the lack of improvement was really unsettling.  I'm not ready to give up on him, but he needs to really improve for me to have much belief in him going forward.  He started so strong his rookie year, fell off quickly, and never got better from that point.  I can handle so growing pains, but you need some positives.  I'm hoping he comes back in a little bit better shape, because he didn't look to be in the best shape in the preseason.  My one hope for Davis is that he was a bit miscast as the alternate at NT.  We really didn't have anyone else so he kind of assumed that role.  I like him much better on the end in the event Guy leaves, but that still leaves him battling for time with Urban and Kaufusi.

My concern isn't really that we don't want to keep them.  Rather, they make it to the open market and find big money that we're not willing to pay.  It's entirely possible, and that's my fear.  I think if we want to keep 1 of those guys, we're almost going to have to reach a deal before the open market becomes an option.  At this point though, chances are high that they'll be exploring the other options out there.  It'd be an extremely disappointing offseason if we again fail to extend at least 1 person from a recent draft class - and no, I don't count the FB in there.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

 

Well, at this point Weddle, Webb and Lewis are under contract; Huff is a RFA and Levine and Elam are FAs.  IMO, it's very possible that Webb and Lewis are released and Huff is non-tendered (can't see him being tendered at $1.8M).  So, that could leave Weddle as the only Safety under contract or under team control as of March.  That doesn't mean they will draft one in the 1st round (although if Hooker from OSU somehow gets that far, he'd be hard to pass up), but they definitely may very well need to restock the position.

I still think you have to look at giving Webb some sort of small extension.  There were a couple of rough moments early on but he really came on strong down the stretch.  I think you have to look at getting a replacement this season as well, but I'd hold onto Webb for the time being because I'm not sure you're going to get anything better, unless it's Hooker as you mentioned.  He's been pretty amenable to contract changes in the past and I'd think he would be again.

[B-more Ravor]

4 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

why not? He speculates all the time. Most recently about Marty being fired. Even went as far to say Flacco's and Pitta's comments should be views as them not wanting to throw him under the bus more so than a vote of confidence for him. 

I'm not trying to imply that he's not credible or discredit any sources he has, but it's just hard for me to believe that the usually tight lipped Ravens would allow any info like that to leak out. 

I agree.  He definitely has his sources, but there's no way to be sure if anything (or everything) in that article is just opinion or "informed" opinion based on sources. 

As you said, he did say he believed that MM was going to fired, so that was clearly opinion, so there's no way to really know which one it is in this case.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

It's sad watching the Steelers' big 3 shred defenses apart when they're healthy and we don't even have a big 1. It stings even more when you realize they are all home grown. We built our defense like the Steelers' over the years. Please start doing the same with the offense. 

Yea it sucks, especially with those guys inside the division. I think the Ravens have made the effort by drafting Perriman, Maxx and Dixon Those guys have to step up in years 3 and 2 respectively. 

[B-more Ravor]

7 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I still think you have to look at giving Webb some sort of small extension.  There were a couple of rough moments early on but he really came on strong down the stretch.  I think you have to look at getting a replacement this season as well, but I'd hold onto Webb for the time being because I'm not sure you're going to get anything better, unless it's Hooker as you mentioned.  He's been pretty amenable to contract changes in the past and I'd think he would be again.

Not saying I disagree - he may very well be amenable and he did seem to improve as the season went on - but I'd be careful in extending a player who appears to be on the downside of his career.  That's only going to push possible dead money into the future, whereas there is none under his column at this point. 

Or, said another way, I'm ready to see them start cleaning up their Cap, not find ways to push today's problems down the road.

Edited January 9 by B-more Ravor

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I still think you have to look at giving Webb some sort of small extension.  There were a couple of rough moments early on but he really came on strong down the stretch.  I think you have to look at getting a replacement this season as well, but I'd hold onto Webb for the time being because I'm not sure you're going to get anything better, unless it's Hooker as you mentioned.  He's been pretty amenable to contract changes in the past and I'd think he would be again.

I agree 100% I bet they extend Webb for little money to even out the cap situation a little better. The team isn't getting anybody better at the position. Can't leave another hole for the team to have to fill.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

Not saying I disagree - he may very well be amenable and he did seem to improve as the season went on - but I'd be careful in extending a player who appears to be on the downside of his career.  That's only going to push possible dead money into the future, whereas there is none under his column at this point. 

Or, said another way, I'm ready to see them start cleaning up their Cap, not find ways to push today's problems down the road.

Agreed, but I think that depends on how they're treating the team right now.  Do they still think they can remain competitive?  In that case, I'd extend Webb.  If they're looking at a mini rebuild of sorts, then definitely let him go.

The main reason I'm amenable to the idea of extending Webb is that I don't see it as a huge cap commitment for the future.  I think Webb also realizes he's on the downside of his career, so I can't see him pressing for too much at this point.

[Ravenseconbeast]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Agreed, but I think that depends on how they're treating the team right now.  Do they still think they can remain competitive?  In that case, I'd extend Webb.  If they're looking at a mini rebuild of sorts, then definitely let him go.

The main reason I'm amenable to the idea of extending Webb is that I don't see it as a huge cap commitment for the future.  I think Webb also realizes he's on the downside of his career, so I can't see him pressing for too much at this point.

Webb seems to have proven himself to be a reliable safety.  Not a great safety but capable.  I suppose we will see, but I don't see Webb being in much of a market anymore in FA.   He had so many ups as well as downs.  Plus I think Webb can appreciate secondary finally starting to have some structure in Ravens defense(when we have the full crew available).     

I would still love to see few DB being looked @ draft though.   Jimmy going down was like Seattle not having Earl Thomas.  We need depth and bring in players that turns to gem like Tavon.  

[B-more Ravor]

16 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Agreed, but I think that depends on how they're treating the team right now.  Do they still think they can remain competitive?  In that case, I'd extend Webb.  If they're looking at a mini rebuild of sorts, then definitely let him go.

The main reason I'm amenable to the idea of extending Webb is that I don't see it as a huge cap commitment for the future.  I think Webb also realizes he's on the downside of his career, so I can't see him pressing for too much at this point.

As I said, I don't really disagree.  It's just a matter of how agreeable to a reasonable - very reasonable - extension (which is going to have to include a "paycyut" IMO) he's going to be.

[Ravensfan23]

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah.  I really liked Davis out, but the lack of improvement was really unsettling.  I'm not ready to give up on him, but he needs to really improve for me to have much belief in him going forward.  He started so strong his rookie year, fell off quickly, and never got better from that point.  I can handle so growing pains, but you need some positives.  I'm hoping he comes back in a little bit better shape, because he didn't look to be in the best shape in the preseason.  My one hope for Davis is that he was a bit miscast as the alternate at NT.  We really didn't have anyone else so he kind of assumed that role.  I like him much better on the end in the event Guy leaves, but that still leaves him battling for time with Urban and Kaufusi.

My concern isn't really that we don't want to keep them.  Rather, they make it to the open market and find big money that we're not willing to pay.  It's entirely possible, and that's my fear.  I think if we want to keep 1 of those guys, we're almost going to have to reach a deal before the open market becomes an option.  At this point though, chances are high that they'll be exploring the other options out there.  It'd be an extremely disappointing offseason if we again fail to extend at least 1 person from a recent draft class - and no, I don't count the FB in there.

Yea I agree on all accounts. I always saw Davis as  poor man's Ngata and I never liked Ngata at NT. He has a lot of work to do and I'm hoping this lost season opens his eyes to the fact that nothing is promised. The Ravens have about 10 2nd and 3rd year players that will need to crush the offseason followed by stepping up in the regular season. After Perriman and Urschel who i think will be the starting Center, Davis might just be at the top of the list. 

It might just be wishful thinking on my part but I'd be extremely surprised if the Ravens gave Wagner a top 5 RT offer, which I think they will and he turns it down. He just doesn't seem like the I need to be the top paid guy to show my value type. Not that there's anything wrong with getting paid, but he just seems like the Marshal Yanda type. Give me a fair deal so I can take care of my family and let me play football. I know what the popular thought is and as much as I like BW, top 5 RT is way more valuable than the best NT in the game. Give Wagner a 5yr 30+ million deal before the market even opens, so him you want him here and I think that gets the job done. 

 

[terrynjulia03]

22 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I wouldn't call that a report more so him giving his best guess of what will take place. No different then him and most everyone believing Marty was gone.

Williams is the only Ravens FA that will command huge money on the open market that the Ravens might not be able to afford, so of course finding a way to retain him will be at the top of their list. However that doesn't mean that retaining Wagner and Juice isn't also at the top of that list, they are probably just more confident that those guys won't be a problem to re-sign. It'll take like 4yrs 8mil with 3mil guaranteed to make Juice the highest FB in the NFL and I don't even think he'll get that. So there isn't much of a point to make him a priority.

With Wagner at RT, Lane Johnson's contract technically drives up the market value for RTs but i'd imagine both sides will realize that Johnson was drafted to be a LT and paid accordingly being a top 4 pick. I'd think Wagner at max is in the range of 5yrs 33.5Mil with 12-14Mill guaranteed and again I don't think he gets that. So that means even if those guys are paid near the top at their positions they could probably be had for a total of about 8Mil a year. Williams on the other hand will probably cost anywhere from 8.5-10Mil a year by himself. So finding ways to not only make him a competitive offer but structure the contract to fit the cap will take more man power than the other guys. 

Um barring Johnsons contract, which is as you stated is a LT contract, the top 10 RTs in the league are only making a max of 6m per year. With a bottom level of 5.5m. I think Wagner falls into the top 10, but certainly not the top and no other team is gonna think that either. He comes back in the range of 5.7m a year. Easily. 

[terrynjulia03]

15 hours ago, B-more Ravor said:

 

Well, at this point Weddle, Webb and Lewis are under contract; Huff is a RFA and Levine and Elam are FAs.  IMO, it's very possible that Webb and Lewis are released and Huff is non-tendered (can't see him being tendered at $1.8M).  So, that could leave Weddle as the only Safety under contract or under team control as of March.  That doesn't mean they will draft one in the 1st round (although if Hooker from OSU somehow gets that far, he'd be hard to pass up), but they definitely may very well need to restock the position.

We need a S because Webb is mediocre at best, and Weddle only has a couple years left. But you're right I bet Webb is shown the door. I really hope Hooker slides to us given more needs by teams in front of us. Or we move up for him. 

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, B-more Ravor said:

As I said, I don't really disagree.  It's just a matter of how agreeable to a reasonable - very reasonable - extension (which is going to have to include a "paycyut" IMO) he's going to be.

To me, I'm looking at him and saying "what kind of deal would he get on the open market"? How do other teams view Webb? Clearly he's a safety for us, but would other teams still take him as a corner? 

I honestly have no idea the answer to the questions, but I personally don't think he's be that valuable in FA. If so, I would think you could add another year or two to his deal at a definite lower salary/cap amount (attributable to age, declining skills and position change) and you probably wouldn't have give much guaranteed money at all, which would solve the potential dead money problem. Pretty much just guarantees his 2017 roster spot and then he'd be 50/50 to be back in 2018.

Definitely agree we need to get younger at Safety and fast, but I think unless you're going to FA to find somebody like that, you're doing it in the draft, and I don't think you can guarantee we get a decent safety in the draft that can start opposite Weddle in 2017.

I'm not opposed to just about anything happening with Webb. Just feels to me like you've got so many other areas you need to address in the short term and we wouldn't want to add Safety to that necessarily. Think it gives us the ability to use a day 2 pick on a safety and not force them into a starting role in year 1.

[Ravensfan23]

53 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Um barring Johnsons contract, which is as you stated is a LT contract, the top 10 RTs in the league are only making a max of 6m per year. With a bottom level of 5.5m. I think Wagner falls into the top 10, but certainly not the top and no other team is gonna think that either. He comes back in the range of 5.7m a year. Easily. 

If the Ravens only offer Wagner 5.7 a year two things will happen. He'll certainly walk and it'll send a clear message that the Ravens aren't serious about building a quality oline. 

There are 8 different RTs making at least 6m per year not including Johnson and the top guy is Bulaga at 6.7m. Marcus Cannon just signed for about 6.4 per year and that's exactly where I see Wagner. 

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

If the Ravens only offer Wagner 5.7 a year two things will happen. He'll certainly walk and it'll send a clear message that the Ravens aren't serious about building a quality oline. 

There are 8 different RTs making at least 6m per year not including Johnson and the top guy is Bulaga at 6.7m. Marcus Cannon just signed for about 6.4 per year and that's exactly where I see Wagner. 

Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I'd have 0 problems paying Wagner $6.4M a year.  That's more than worth it for a guy that's been as good as he has, lisfranc injury year withstanding.

[hereweare]

12 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I'd have 0 problems paying Wagner $6.4M a year.  That's more than worth it for a guy that's been as good as he has, lisfranc injury year withstanding.

I'd be ok with it as well (I think everyone wants an above avg OL), but has the FO ever paid a RT significant money?

Edited January 9 by hereweare

[jboy19]

9 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I'd have 0 problems paying Wagner $6.4M a year.  That's more than worth it for a guy that's been as good as he has, lisfranc injury year withstanding.

Schraeder (Atlanta) set the market at 6.3. Seems okay to me. 

[jazz1988]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I'd have 0 problems paying Wagner $6.4M a year.  That's more than worth it for a guy that's been as good as he has, lisfranc injury year withstanding.

He might get more than that because from  what I saw concerning the free agent tackles  this year it doesn't seem like Wagner has much competition at all to be considered the best tackle.

[hereweare]

here's a thought... If Lewis can actually play RT, then paying a guard in FA 5-6m/yr might not be a bad idea.?? Would mean we have a similar OL to the 2012 and 2014 teams.

2012 - Mckinney, Osemele, birk, Yanda, Oher
2014- monroe, osemele, zuttah, yanda, Wagner
2017- Stanley, FA guard, zuttah, yanda, Lewis.

I see all 3 as very similar. FA guard should be as good or better than 2012 Osemele, but lesser than 2014 Osemele. RT, C, LG, LT would all be identical. 

Edited January 9 by hereweare

[usmccharles]

22 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I'd have 0 problems paying Wagner $6.4M a year.  That's more than worth it for a guy that's been as good as he has, lisfranc injury year withstanding.

Na, definitely ok with that considering the OL is one place we should spend money on and considering the cap will go up, its not the same cap percentage as the year before. 

 

2 minutes ago, hereweare said:

here's a thought... If Lewis can actually play RT, then paying a guard in FA 5-6m/yr might not be a bad idea.?? Would mean we have a similar OL to the 2012 and 2014 teams.
 

I just have an issue moving someone to RT that has never played it.  If Wagner costs us say 6.5, why would you rather put a new player at RT then bring in another  to play guard when we could of just kept Wagner and Lewis at their respected positions? 

[Ravensfan23]

42 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I'd have 0 problems paying Wagner $6.4M a year.  That's more than worth it for a guy that's been as good as he has, lisfranc injury year withstanding.

I'll get on the crazy bus with you because he's more than worth it. He's gotta performance bonuses each year, not sure about this year, but this year may have been his best year. I'd love he and Stanley moving forward as the bookends. Honestly i'd be willing to make him the highest paid RT around 6.7-6.8M because the Ravens will be able to afford it over the next couple years. But I don't think it'll take that as I mentioned before. Make an aggressive offer to Wagner and i'm willing to bet he signs without a 2nd thought. 

[Ravensfan23]

38 minutes ago, hereweare said:

I'd be ok with it as well (I think everyone wants an above avg OL), but has the FO ever paid a RT significant money?

Have the Ravens every had a RT worth significant money? I know Oher viewed himself as a LT and wanted to be paid like one so he wasn't gonna be paid here. I thought maybe Jah Ried could develop but no, I think the best RT we've had other than Wagner was Marshal Yanda. I can't think of anyone else. 

[hereweare]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I just have an issue moving someone to RT that has never played it.  If Wagner costs us say 6.5, why would you rather put a new player at RT then bring in another  to play guard when we could of just kept Wagner and Lewis at their respected positions? 

Yea just for arguments sake you could say that 2 above average guards significantly improve the OL rather than at RG and RT. ex. 2012 and 2014 had two very good guards and young average RTs. And before those seasons it was Grubbs and Yanda as above avg guards.

( this assuming the FA guard is better than Lewis and Lewis can play RT)

29 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Have the Ravens every had a RT worth significant money? I know Oher viewed himself as a LT and wanted to be paid like one so he wasn't gonna be paid here. I thought maybe Jah Ried could develop but no, I think the best RT we've had other than Wagner was Marshal Yanda. I can't think of anyone else. 

Could be as easy as that, never had the opportunity to pay a RT who was worth it

Edited January 9 by hereweare

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, hereweare said:

Yea just for arguments sake you could say that 2 above average guards significantly improve the OL rather than at RG and RT. ex. 2012 and 2014 had young average RTs and did very well as a unit. And before those seasons it was Grubbs and Yanda.

( this assuming the FA guard is better than Lewis and Lewis can play RT)

Yea I just don't see the logic in that. Why pay a G a tad less than what Wagner will make when we already know what we have in a RT rather than taking a risking and putting 4th G in his 2nd year at RT, then having to go find a G.  I guess I get what your saying, I just don't think that's a smart way to go about it.

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1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Yea I just don't see the logic in that. Why pay a G a tad less than what Wagner will make when we already know what we have in a RT rather than taking a risking and putting 4th G in his 2nd year at RT, then having to go find a G.  I guess I get what your saying, I just don't think that's a smart way to go about it.

especially if you end up getting rid of zuttah (as is hypothesised) which would mean you are starting 2 new guys next to each other on the interior