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[usmccharles]

11 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Was talking about the backup plan at RT for when/if we lose Wagner. I'm not convinced the backup plan is just playing Lewis there.

Yea i know, i was just sidetracking to the other options retaining our own.  Is there any quality RTs out there?

[PurpleCity5]

As if Lewis demonstrated that he can play RT which at the moment he has not. I don't know about this move, if the Ravens do go this route then a LG round 1 or 2 is a must. I'm thinking Quenton Nelson from Notre Dame. Insane freak.

This might backfire, you need to improve the C spot. 

Maybe we retain Williams and Wagner but how will we address OLB, WR and CB? 

Edited January 8 by PurpleCity5

[RayRayRaven]

On ‎1‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 8:58 PM, Bohica5 said:

Coach harby and flacco gotta go...............Find a way to bring back Ray Lewis into this organization.................

the fact that retreads like Wallace and pitta are considered indispensable to the rayvans really outlines where we are.  then we keep our fish outta water OC and folksreally think we are gonna turn the corner with harball and newsomes latest batch of overdrafted players?   if newsom was getting graded for a yahoo fantasy draft on the players hes picked in recent years he'd score just above the brownies

Brandon Williams will be gone, not because he didn't produce but because he is not superstar

Powers has to be gone. elam is not a football player. noticed traywick playin for Oakland tonight, he's got more football sense.

there is no joy in mudville because all next year is gonna bring is another year. that's right Baltimore is now mudville.  who is gonna change that?

 

[chunkywill25]

We need a guard and possibly tackle if Wagner leaves. Not high on lewis at all. Don't know what you guys see. He might be great one day but as of now, no. 

[rmw10]

45 minutes ago, chunkywill25 said:

We need a guard and possibly tackle if Wagner leaves. Not high on lewis at all. Don't know what you guys see. He might be great one day but as of now, no. 

It doesn't really matter if we are because the team is.

[rmcjacket23]

14 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

20 off-seasons and it's still an issue lol

Didn't appear to be an issue when we were going to the playoffs for like 5 straight years, making all those Championship Game appearances or winning those SBs...

[Ravensfan23]

17 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Apart from the interior on the O line, we are actually pretty talented on offense - our problem is coaching, not the players.

Couldn't disagree agree more. Yes the players are talented, but the coaches aren't the guys out on the field. I've gone back and watched several games over the last week to focus on the offense and some of the on field play was down right pathetic. 

[rmcjacket23]

32 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Couldn't disagree agree more. Yes the players are talented, but the coaches aren't the guys out on the field. I've gone back and watched several games over the last week to focus on the offense and some of the on field play was down right pathetic. 

There's definitely some talent issues at the WR position. I think the offensive line was average this season in terms of talent but has the ability to upgrade easily.

I think our QB, RBs and TEs are probably good enough to win consistently with. I think we need to upgrade 1-2 spots on the Oline, add some depth there as well, and then get some playmakers at the WR position.

I will say though that offensively we're pretty young, and the offensive doing better is probably going to be a product of some of the guys on the roster simply playing better, especially guys like Perriman, Moore, and the TEs like Waller, Boyle, Maxx, etc. Those guys are just simply going to have to play better, otherwise the offense won't be good again, regardless of who he bring in. 

The defense is aging, and while overall it was a good unit last season, you can make an easy case that the focus of talent upgrades should be on that side of the ball. 

If you gave the offense a quality Center and one decent WR, I think the offense can be fine IF the players already on the roster step up.

I think the defense needs talent infusions at just about every level, namely pass rusher, corner, and safety.

[terrynjulia03]

I think CB or S will be addressed in round 1. With the likes of Hooker and Adams being highly touted safeties one should be available at 16. Some really good corners also if those 2 are off the board. Aka immediate starters. DE/OLB and C can be addressed in 2 and 3 and be immediate starters also. 

[arnie_uk]

Resign a 2 down run stopper that done nothing from half the season for massive money instead of one of the leagues best right tackles. 

Our coaches and front office live in the mid 90s

[rmw10]

Not the article I was referring to the other day, but it looks like Zrebiec is also reporting that Williams will be the priority.

"Williams will be the Ravens' priority over a group of free agents that also includes starting right tackle Rick Wagner, fullback Kyle Juszczyk, wide receiver Kamar Aiken and defensive end Lawrence Guy. Those four could return if the price is right, but there will probably be more money available to them elsewhere."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-decisions-0108-20170106-story.html

[Ravensfan23]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

There's definitely some talent issues at the WR position. I think the offensive line was average this season in terms of talent but has the ability to upgrade easily.

I think our QB, RBs and TEs are probably good enough to win consistently with. I think we need to upgrade 1-2 spots on the Oline, add some depth there as well, and then get some playmakers at the WR position.

I will say though that offensively we're pretty young, and the offensive doing better is probably going to be a product of some of the guys on the roster simply playing better, especially guys like Perriman, Moore, and the TEs like Waller, Boyle, Maxx, etc. Those guys are just simply going to have to play better, otherwise the offense won't be good again, regardless of who he bring in. 

The defense is aging, and while overall it was a good unit last season, you can make an easy case that the focus of talent upgrades should be on that side of the ball. 

If you gave the offense a quality Center and one decent WR, I think the offense can be fine IF the players already on the roster step up.

I think the defense needs talent infusions at just about every level, namely pass rusher, corner, and safety.

I agree. This is the biggest factor to me and exactly why a big part of me wanted to keep Marty around. He has his issues no doubt, just want to make sure I say that because I don't want this to be about him. But the system isn't broken, the players just have to develop better. 

The talent is clearly here, it's just getting these guys comfortable in the system enough to be the on same page at all times. I can't tell you how many times I saw guys running routes to the same spot on the field or just looking like they didn't know their assignments. That will improve with a full offseason in the offense, so I don't worry about that too much. But those guys must step up and play better going forward. In the last day or so I went back and broke down the Dallas and Pit games offensively. The amount of times that SSS and Pitta couldn't win against LBs were sickening. The amount of times Flacco had to hold the ball because Wallace and Perriman didn't run good enough routes painted a very clear picture of why this offense struggled. In the Dallas game Pitta was covered by a DE lol. I can't put everything on the coaches.

If you give the offense a quality Center and a strong route runner at WR, I think this offense explodes honestly. I really like Perriman, Waller, Maxx, Dixon, Boyle, and 4/5 of the offensive line moving forward. Given his development and opportunities I think Moore can replace Wallace as a 3rd or 4th option. But like you said guys like Perriman, Waller and Maxx developing will be key. 

[rmcjacket23]

21 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Resign a 2 down run stopper that done nothing from half the season for massive money instead of one of the leagues best right tackles. 

Our coaches and front office live in the mid 90s

I mean I could argue both sides.

We're overall pretty good at drafting and developing lineman. So if we know that, it doesn't always make a ton of sense to just resign the guys you develop to big deals when you can just use a mid round pick and draft and develop somebody cheaper.

Don't really have an issue with rotating a Guard or RT out every four years even if they've been playing well. 4 years is an eternity in the NFL.

That being said, I personally would prefer to resign Wagner over Williams, though a lot depends on the cost of Williams, which I don't think anybody knows what that is right now.

[Ravensfan23]

11 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Not the article I was referring to the other day, but it looks like Zrebiec is also reporting that Williams will be the priority.

"Williams will be the Ravens' priority over a group of free agents that also includes starting right tackle Rick Wagner, fullback Kyle Juszczyk, wide receiver Kamar Aiken and defensive end Lawrence Guy. Those four could return if the price is right, but there will probably be more money available to them elsewhere."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-decisions-0108-20170106-story.html

I wouldn't call that a report more so him giving his best guess of what will take place. No different then him and most everyone believing Marty was gone.

Williams is the only Ravens FA that will command huge money on the open market that the Ravens might not be able to afford, so of course finding a way to retain him will be at the top of their list. However that doesn't mean that retaining Wagner and Juice isn't also at the top of that list, they are probably just more confident that those guys won't be a problem to re-sign. It'll take like 4yrs 8mil with 3mil guaranteed to make Juice the highest FB in the NFL and I don't even think he'll get that. So there isn't much of a point to make him a priority.

With Wagner at RT, Lane Johnson's contract technically drives up the market value for RTs but i'd imagine both sides will realize that Johnson was drafted to be a LT and paid accordingly being a top 4 pick. I'd think Wagner at max is in the range of 5yrs 33.5Mil with 12-14Mill guaranteed and again I don't think he gets that. So that means even if those guys are paid near the top at their positions they could probably be had for a total of about 8Mil a year. Williams on the other hand will probably cost anywhere from 8.5-10Mil a year by himself. So finding ways to not only make him a competitive offer but structure the contract to fit the cap will take more man power than the other guys. 

[Wildabeast88]

57 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Not the article I was referring to the other day, but it looks like Zrebiec is also reporting that Williams will be the priority.

"Williams will be the Ravens' priority over a group of free agents that also includes starting right tackle Rick Wagner, fullback Kyle Juszczyk, wide receiver Kamar Aiken and defensive end Lawrence Guy. Those four could return if the price is right, but there will probably be more money available to them elsewhere."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-decisions-0108-20170106-story.html

I like B. Will but the priority tree should be Wagner, Juice/Guy, Aiken, then Williams because if we lose Wagner O-line becomes a dire need more so than now. Also I feel better about Stanley/Lewis/draft pick/Yanda/Wagner than the configuration without Wagner. We already must get a pass rusher and CB as a must in the first 2-3 picks with WR and O-line as areas of need as well but it becomes worse if we lose Wagner and Aiken.

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Not the article I was referring to the other day, but it looks like Zrebiec is also reporting that Williams will be the priority.

"Williams will be the Ravens' priority over a group of free agents that also includes starting right tackle Rick Wagner, fullback Kyle Juszczyk, wide receiver Kamar Aiken and defensive end Lawrence Guy. Those four could return if the price is right, but there will probably be more money available to them elsewhere."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-decisions-0108-20170106-story.html

This is not a report. 

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, terrynjulia03 said:

I think CB or S will be addressed in round 1. With the likes of Hooker and Adams being highly touted safeties one should be available at 16. Some really good corners also if those 2 are off the board. Aka immediate starters. DE/OLB and C can be addressed in 2 and 3 and be immediate starters also. 

Why do we need a safety?

[Brandon Grist]

I Believe That's We Sign Mike Wallace,Ricky Wagner,Brandon Williams,Dennis Pitta And Eric Weddle To Extensions To Give Us A Little More Flexibility Against The Cap...We Waive Lardarius Webb,Jeremy Zuttah,Elvis Dumervil,Sharece Wright, Jerraud Powers,An James Hurst The Following Moves Should Help Us To Be Able To Manuever An Make The Necessary Adjustments We Need To Improve Our Roster

[Wildabeast88]

Just now, Cillmatic said:

Why do we need a safety?

Also we do have Maurice Canady coming back at CB who is a bigger CB and could help out as a replacement to Wright although I still would like another CB but pass rush is by far our biggest need. As far as S it depends on Webb coming back but otherwise we have no depth as Elam and Lewis are both free agents I believe so unless we go back to Levine at S. 

[gtalk12]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I agree. This is the biggest factor to me and exactly why a big part of me wanted to keep Marty around. He has his issues no doubt, just want to make sure I say that because I don't want this to be about him. But the system isn't broken, the players just have to develop better. 

The talent is clearly here, it's just getting these guys comfortable in the system enough to be the on same page at all times. I can't tell you how many times I saw guys running routes to the same spot on the field or just looking like they didn't know their assignments. That will improve with a full offseason in the offense, so I don't worry about that too much. But those guys must step up and play better going forward. In the last day or so I went back and broke down the Dallas and Pit games offensively. The amount of times that SSS and Pitta couldn't win against LBs were sickening. The amount of times Flacco had to hold the ball because Wallace and Perriman didn't run good enough routes painted a very clear picture of why this offense struggled. In the Dallas game Pitta was covered by a DE lol. I can't put everything on the coaches.

If you give the offense a quality Center and a strong route runner at WR, I think this offense explodes honestly. I really like Perriman, Waller, Maxx, Dixon, Boyle, and 4/5 of the offensive line moving forward. Given his development and opportunities I think Moore can replace Wallace as a 3rd or 4th option. But like you said guys like Perriman, Waller and Maxx developing will be key. 

 

Really need to see these 2 guys playing together

[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, gtalk12 said:

 

Really need to see these 2 guys playing together

I think both will have big seasons next year. I know Boyle's numbers won't be great but the impact he has in the run game will be great and I can see him getting rewarded with a few big play action passes. 

But honestly I think it's Waller and Williams who will work together to help take this offense to the next level. Pitta and Waller were featured a lot in 2TE sets and I think that only increases next year with Maxx and Waller. No changes or upgrades need to be made at the TE position just get these young guys ready to see the field consistently and watch them work. 

[rmw10]

26 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I wouldn't call that a report more so him giving his best guess of what will take place. No different then him and most everyone believing Marty was gone.

Williams is the only Ravens FA that will command huge money on the open market that the Ravens might not be able to afford, so of course finding a way to retain him will be at the top of their list. However that doesn't mean that retaining Wagner and Juice isn't also at the top of that list, they are probably just more confident that those guys won't be a problem to re-sign. It'll take like 4yrs 8mil with 3mil guaranteed to make Juice the highest FB in the NFL and I don't even think he'll get that. So there isn't much of a point to make him a priority.

With Wagner at RT, Lane Johnson's contract technically drives up the market value for RTs but i'd imagine both sides will realize that Johnson was drafted to be a LT and paid accordingly being a top 4 pick. I'd think Wagner at max is in the range of 5yrs 33.5Mil with 12-14Mill guaranteed and again I don't think he gets that. So that means even if those guys are paid near the top at their positions they could probably be had for a total of about 8Mil a year. Williams on the other hand will probably cost anywhere from 8.5-10Mil a year by himself. So finding ways to not only make him a competitive offer but structure the contract to fit the cap will take more man power than the other guys. 

 

24 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

This is not a report. 

Reporting, stating, whatever. Point was more that this is the second instance of someone mentioning that Williams is expected to be the priority. 

[Ravensfan23]

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

 

Reporting, stating, whatever. Point was more that this is the second instance of someone mentioning that Williams is expected to be the priority. 

Oh I get what your point was, I was just really pointing out that right now nobody knows anything. It's all opinions. If I was close to the team and had a twitter account people would be talking about how I reported Wagner as the priority. It really means nothing right now. The media's opinion holds no more weight than yours or mines. The Ravens haven't even had their meeting of the minds at Mr. Biscotti's house where most of this stuff is discussed for the 1st time among each other. So i personally don't put much stock into reports, stating or whatever from media members this time of year because even with inside sources it's impossible for them to know much of anything.  

[Wildabeast88]

22 minutes ago, Brandon Grist said:

I Believe That's We Sign Mike Wallace,Ricky Wagner,Brandon Williams,Dennis Pitta And Eric Weddle To Extensions To Give Us A Little More Flexibility Against The Cap...We Waive Lardarius Webb,Jeremy Zuttah,Elvis Dumervil,Sharece Wright, Jerraud Powers,An James Hurst The Following Moves Should Help Us To Be Able To Manuever An Make The Necessary Adjustments We Need To Improve Our Roster

Pitta is signed through 2018 so I doubt we add years to him on an extension due to his age and injury history at the most one year to lower his hit but I can't see that. Weddle is signed through 2019 so it would get messy trying to redo his contract so that is not an option. Wallace I could see adding a year to lower his cap hit because 8mil isn't going to happen. Powers is already a FA so no issue there. B. will is nice but I'm not paying top dollar for him. I view Wagner as more important plus resign Guy, Juice, and maybe Aiken. Hurst is cheap work him all offseason and see if he shows improvement so no rush there. Zuttah bye period no sweat. Now for the tricky part Dumervil cutting him can create 6 mil in cap space but we already need pass rushers so does it really help. Webb played decent but then Elam is a FA and that leaves Kendrick Lewis as a starter no thanks and Levine is the only other S on the roster. Wright didn't play well and I could move on and I'm fine but we need more help at CB Jimmy and Tavon are fine Canady comes back and I think we cut Arrington. 

Cuts savings Dumervil 6.0. Wallace 5.75. Pitta 3.3. Webb 5.5 Wright 2.66 Zuttah 2.39 Watson 3.0

so that is 28.60 mil but creates 3 massive holes OLB, S, WR add Lewis and Arrington that's 3.9 more.

[January J]

5 hours ago, chunkywill25 said:

We need a guard and possibly tackle if Wagner leaves. Not high on lewis at all. Don't know what you guys see. He might be great one day but as of now, no. 

he was definitely a pleasant surprise- esp considering where he was drafted.  I don't know what you saw.

[rmw10]

31 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Oh I get what your point was, I was just really pointing out that right now nobody knows anything. It's all opinions. If I was close to the team and had a twitter account people would be talking about how I reported Wagner as the priority. It really means nothing right now. The media's opinion holds no more weight than yours or mines. The Ravens haven't even had their meeting of the minds at Mr. Biscotti's house where most of this stuff is discussed for the 1st time among each other. So i personally don't put much stock into reports, stating or whatever from media members this time of year because even with inside sources it's impossible for them to know much of anything.  

I'd doubt it's just speculation on his part, to be fair.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

On 1/1/2017 at 4:04 PM, Purple_City39 said:

Only real prediction I can think of that doesn't already seem incredibly obvious is that they lowball Wagner because of Lewis.

Smith retiring, Dumervil cut, Williams being overpaid elsewhere, Zuttah being replaced, and even possible Wallace and Webb being cut due to money all seem obvious at this point

I say you keep Wallace. He did look pretty frustrated with our NOffense this year tho

[Ravenseconbeast]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Not the article I was referring to the other day, but it looks like Zrebiec is also reporting that Williams will be the priority.

"Williams will be the Ravens' priority over a group of free agents that also includes starting right tackle Rick Wagner, fullback Kyle Juszczyk, wide receiver Kamar Aiken and defensive end Lawrence Guy. Those four could return if the price is right, but there will probably be more money available to them elsewhere."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-decisions-0108-20170106-story.html

 

I like the fact that we are keeping Lawrence Guy in mind.   He has been one of the most underrated player in the roster.   He has been absolute VALUE in terms of what we got from his contract.  

If we can't grab B.Will, at least grab Lawrence.  Missing 2 major starters @ D-line will get our run D back into square one.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I'd doubt it's just speculation on his part, to be fair.

why not? He speculates all the time. Most recently about Marty being fired. Even went as far to say Flacco's and Pitta's comments should be views as them not wanting to throw him under the bus more so than a vote of confidence for him. 

I'm not trying to imply that he's not credible or discredit any sources he has, but it's just hard for me to believe that the usually tight lipped Ravens would allow any info like that to leak out. 

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

why not? He speculates all the time. Most recently about Marty being fired. Even went as far to say Flacco's and Pitta's comments should be views as them not wanting to throw him under the bus more so than a vote of confidence for him. 

I'm not trying to imply that he's not credible or discredit any sources he has, but it's just hard for me to believe that the usually tight lipped as the Ravens would all any info like that to leak out. 

That's fair. Just don't think that's the typical MO for him, especially with how he stated it in the article. 

With that being said, it still wouldn't shock me at all if we resign Wagner and not Williams.