Next Up: Ravens Free Agents--Who goes? Who stays?

[B-more Ravor]

On ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 6:48 AM, Tank 92 said:

Rick did grade out near the top.  Correct? 

I think they have to commit to the O line and this is the immediate "must do".  If that's the number, that's the number. 

Rick graded out pretty well, but both Schwartz and Cannon just earned 2nd team All-Pro status today.

That said, Wagner is about to be a FA and prices go up year to year, so I think we can expect to see Wagner get paid in at least the $7M/year range.

[ellicottraven]

I only hope in their zeal to sign Brandon Williams they don't end up overpaying for his services. The Ravens have paid some people more money than they deserve which typically comes back to haunt them a couple of years down the road. Case in point Jimmy Smith. We paid top dollar for his services and even though he's good when he's on the field, he can't stay on the field. At least Flacco suits up every Sunday! My fear is once you pay somebody big money, their production tends to go down...

[B-more Ravor]

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Did I miss something? Someone said Wagner won't be re signed?

 

2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Zrebiec's sources.

 

39 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Do you have a link to the article? I searched the Sun and Twitter and couldn't find it. 

Here's the article:  http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-news-notes-and-opinions-20170105-story.html

Here's what Jeff said:

"It also means that if Wagner departs, and the bet here is he will, the Ravens will be in the market for a right tackle......"

Now, that could be just an opinion or it could be a informed opinion, who knows?

[B-more Ravor]

On ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 11:28 AM, rmw10 said:

I'll go a step further.  Can you even point to any article or tweet or any supporting documentation for the team liking Skura as much as you say they do?  I feel like that's in your head, because I did a little bit of digging and I can find very little on Matt Skura other than that we signed him.

 

I can't give any insider knowledge, but I can tell you that they up Skura's weekly practice squad salary from the minimum PS salary of $6,900 up to the rookie minimum ($450K/17 = $26,471).  So, even though he was still on the PS, his base salary for those weeks was the same as a rookie who was on the 53-man roster.  I've never seen them give a PS player that much in weekly salary.

So, that tells me that (1) they do like him, (2) some other team was trying to sign him to their 53 and the Ravens offered the same money to keep him (even though on  the PS) and (3) he chose to stay and then re-sign for 2017 because he must see this as a good opportunity for himself.

[rmw10]

17 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

I can't give any insider knowledge, but I can tell you that they up Skura's weekly practice squad salary from the minimum PS salary of $6,900 up to the rookie minimum ($450K/17 = $26,471).  So, even though he was still on the PS, his base salary for those weeks was the same as a rookie who was on the 53-man roster.  I've never seen them give a PS player that much in weekly salary.

So, that tells me that (1) they do like him, (2) some other team was trying to sign him to their 53 and the Ravens offered the same money to keep him (even though on  the PS) and (3) he chose to stay and then re-sign for 2017 because he must see this as a good opportunity for himself.

Yeah I saw you tweet that out today.  That's a good sign that they like him, but that's really the only sign I've seen to this point, and that was only announced today.  I don't doubt that they like him, as I do too.  I just thought the original poster was pumping Skura up based on his own opinion, with no real basis, as it's actually been pretty quiet on him.

In regards to Skura, I hope they spent the season building up his strength, because that was arguably his biggest weakness coming out.

Edited January 7 by rmw10

[B-more Ravor]

9 hours ago, redlobster said:

I like Williams and his play but think he is easier to replace especially at the pay he will probably get vs Wagner. Would be a shame to lose a top 5 RT and have to start over again.

 

Still baffles me that Lewis didn't get the start at RT vs Bengals and instead Hurst did, especially if Wagner was not planning on being re-signed. Unless they think Lewis will stick at LG and a RT will be drafted.

 

9 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah I've considered this also. I'm not convinced that Lewis is just being handed the RT job. Wouldn't surprise me if you see somebody else there next year.

 

9 hours ago, The Raven said:

Not happy about not locking up Wagner. To me, he's the clear pick over Williams. Not even close to me. 

I think we'll see Alex Lewis do better at RT than at LG but still. That opens up a hole at LG and possibly a hole at center, too.

 

I have thought all along that the plan was for Lewis to take the RT spot, but based on Harbaugh's comments at the presser - which, granted, may well have been the first shot of pre-draft misinformation - it looks like they see Lewis as the LG.  That, or they are still hoping to re-sign Wagner, in which case Lewis would play LG, and if that plan fails, then they will consider Lewis at RT (the back-up plan).

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, B-more Ravor said:

 

 

 

I have thought all along that the plan was for Lewis to take the RT spot, but based on Harbaugh's comments at the presser - which, granted, may well have been the first shot of pre-draft misinformation - it looks like they see Lewis as the LG.  That, or they are still hoping to re-sign Wagner, in which case Lewis would play LG, and if that plan fails, then they will consider Lewis at RT (the back-up plan).

Or is signing another, cheaper RT in FA or looking to grab one in the draft a back-up plan?

 

[B-more Ravor]

14 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah I saw you tweet that out today.  That's a good sign that they like him, but that's really the only sign I've seen to this point, and that was only announced today.  I don't doubt that they like him, as I do too.  I just thought the original poster was pumping Skura up based on his own opinion, with no real basis, as it's actually been pretty quiet on him.

 

Oh, absolutely. Liking him is all well and good, but expecting him to make the jump from the PS to the starting C is a bit much, I would agree.  Would be great, but really can't expect it.

[B-more Ravor]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or is signing another, cheaper RT in FA or looking to grab one in the draft a back-up plan?

 

Yes, if they lose Wagner, I would expect them to sign a veteran RT and draft another OT/G like Lewis (and, to a much lesser extent, the soon to depart Hurst).  Then the 3 of them would fight it out for RT.

[usmccharles]

21 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

I have thought all along that the plan was for Lewis to take the RT spot, but based on Harbaugh's comments at the presser - which, granted, may well have been the first shot of pre-draft misinformation - it looks like they see Lewis as the LG.  That, or they are still hoping to re-sign Wagner, in which case Lewis would play LG, and if that plan fails, then they will consider Lewis at RT (the back-up plan).

 

20 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or is signing another, cheaper RT in FA or looking to grab one in the draft a back-up plan?

I would think if we dont resign Wagner, we resign Williams?

[JoeyFlex5]

after seeing our run D get gouged in the last month, i dont know whether we should keep williams to help prevent that, or if williams is partially to blame and is now seen as expendable. 

furthermore... we need to resign wagner, and call me crazy but i think we need to find a more powerful LG. i like lewis there, but he lacks that low center of gravity to get some real push in the middle. i think as of now, lewis' best role on this team would be a starting caliber backup in 4 out of 5 spots on the OL. if stanley, (insert LG here), yanda, or wagner go down, then we insert lewis without skipping a beat. 

[Static]

Is it worth it to try and lock up Orr this year? Instead of waiting?

 

Wonder what round comp pick we will get for B-Will. 

 

We can NOT stand to lose Wagner. Either we pay him or we pay with out record OR Joe getting injured.

 

Lock up Juice for 10 years.

 

See if we can steal Logan Ryan from NE.

 

Taylor Gabriel is a kick returner target.

 

Dontrelle Inman is no named target at WR.

 

 

[RavensRegime]

We're gonna lose the solid players and keep the coaching staff. What quality players on the Free Agency market wants to come here?

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, RavensRegime said:

We're gonna lose the solid players and keep the coaching staff. What quality players on the Free Agency market wants to come here?

Players in FA typically go wherever the money is. If we paid the most or close to it, players will come here. Not really an issue.

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, usmccharles said:

 

I would think if we dont resign Wagner, we resign Williams?

Was talking about the backup plan at RT for when/if we lose Wagner. I'm not convinced the backup plan is just playing Lewis there.

[ellicottraven]

Everybody on the board but the Ravens front office seems to believe in Wagner enough to pursue him. Its been reported that the Ravens aren't actively pursuing Wagner. I think they pursue Brandon Williams and may end up overpaying for him. In my view I think Wagner is the more important piece of the puzzle right now. I say our priorities must be Wagner, Juice, B. Williams, Aiken in that order of preference. The only reason B Williams is low on my priority list is because of how much it may cost us to retain him.

[Tank 92]

All this speculation about not signing Wagner over Zrebiec not thinking they will because they didn't pay KO last year. Doesn't sound like a lock to me. 

[mmcclend]

On 1/3/2017 at 11:08 AM, Edug27 said:

We can definitely agree to disagree. Not blaming Wallace, but he's replaceable. His season was of product of Joe slinging it for a ridiculous amount of times. He wasn't a game changer out there. I'm a firm believer that Perriman can have the same success next season given that role.  

I don't understand how you can think we'd be better without Wallace. Our offense is terrible and you want to take away one of the few bright spots we had. That's crazy smh. 

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

All this speculation about not signing Wagner over Zrebiec not thinking they will because they didn't pay KO last year. Doesn't sound like a lock to me. 

I think it's more that people fear the credibility of his sources than a theory he may or may not have. 

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

All this speculation about not signing Wagner over Zrebiec not thinking they will because they didn't pay KO last year. Doesn't sound like a lock to me. 

If our FO has confidence Lewis can do the job, then it's not too far fetched. They might also have an idea how much would it cost to retain top 5 RT  - my bet is $8-$9M a year. 

[Tank 92]

5 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

If our FO has confidence Lewis can do the job, then it's not too far fetched. They might also have an idea how much would it cost to retain top 5 RT  - my bet is $8-$9M a year. 

It seems they look for Lewis to play LG and Zrebiec guesses Ricky will get $6 - $7 mil..  Unless there's something wrong with him we don't know about I have to think they try to retain him. But who knows, there's so much that goes on we never hear about and all of these deals have so many intertwined factors. 

[mc_red23]

You'd have thought that considering offense was a big problem this season that the FO would do all they could to keep the good players on the team, not be so willing to let them leave. 

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

It seems they look for Lewis to play LG and Zrebiec guesses Ricky will get $6 - $7 mil..  Unless there's something wrong with him we don't know about I have to think they try to retain him. But who knows, there's so much that goes on we never hear about and all of these deals have so many intertwined factors. 

Yep, all we can do is guess.

 

[allblackraven]

8 minutes ago, mc_red23 said:

You'd have thought that considering offense was a big problem this season that the FO would do all they could to keep the good players on the team, not be so willing to let them leave. 

Apart from the interior on the O line, we are actually pretty talented on offense - our problem is coaching, not the players.

[Somerset Ravens]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Apart from the interior on the O line, we are actually pretty talented on offense - our problem is coaching, not the players.

It is true that the coaching needs to be better but there is plenty of room for improvement by our offensive players.

[Tank 92]

17 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Apart from the interior on the O line, we are actually pretty talented on offense - our problem is coaching, not the players.

WR.......huge need.

[Deflated Football]

32 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

WR.......huge need.

Again! 🙄

[rmcjacket23]

19 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Again! 🙄

Not the kind of position you fix in a single offseason...

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Apart from the interior on the O line, we are actually pretty talented on offense - our problem is coaching, not the players.

I think our WRs have some severe limitations currently...

[Deflated Football]

16 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not the kind of position you fix in a single offseason...

20 off-seasons and it's still an issue lol