Mock Drafts from the Media

[RavensDieHard21]

9 hours ago, Darhk_Raven said:

My thought with that set up was that Jones and Wilson were gone along with the other pass rushers ahead of him... If we were to draft Foster what would you do with him seeing as Mosley and Orr hardly ever come off the field?

I love Orr and Mosley, I think that is our best unit but having Foster on the board at 16 is hard to pass on. Most have him as top 5-10 talent. He is a complete lb and we can use him for trade bait potentially or just which two out of the three play the best 

[JonnyBaltimore]

On 1/14/2017 at 10:37 PM, ravensnation5220 said:

 https://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000690216/article/sources-tell-us-what-were-hearing-about-fsu-rb-dalvin-cook?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcollege-football%3Bplyr%3Djamaal_charles&p.ct=CFB 24%2F7&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23ffffff&p.bgc1m=%23000000&sr=amp

That's were the quote came from

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/13252235/dalvin-cook-florida-state-seminoles-strike-woman-attorney-says

And some other info on the topic

The problem here is that it's not just one incident. That's what worries me. Kinda like the Tim Williams problem. It's a repeated off the feild issue with these kids

He got acquitted, but he might be off our board. That sucks. I guess it will depend on our scouts to dig for more info, but it looks a bit sketchy to be honest.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/08/24/-latest-woman-says-shes-sure-fsu-player-punched-her/32262335/

[usmccharles]

47 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I would cry tears of joy no doubt. Scouts afraid of his inconsistent run defense could allow him to slide early to mid second. 

The one player I seen that we would absolutely need to make a play for had the first round played out like this is Barnett. If he gets past 12 we need to pounce. Cincy and Indy are the main competition and if we can use the pick strapped Eagles to leap frog the colts then Ozzie needs to sip some Freakin coffee and realize that talent level at hand. 

If Colts ignore OL again im going to laugh.  I know their D is bad, but might want to protect your 140mill QB

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

If Colts ignore OL again im going to laugh.  I know their D is bad, but might want to protect your 140mill QB

Yeah. While they do need defensive talent, Cam Robinson should be their first pick.

[Jacquouille]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Joe Mixon will fight right in in Cinci

Had the exact same reaction lmao!

[RaineV1]

The mocks I've been seeing are all over the place with the Ravens. I've been seeing Takk, Cook, Cam Robinson, and John Ross. Plus occasionally a corner in that spot.

[Jacquouille]

4 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I would cry tears of joy no doubt. Scouts afraid of his inconsistent run defense could allow him to slide early to mid second. 

The one player I seen that we would absolutely need to make a play for had the first round played out like this is Barnett. If he gets past 12 we need to pounce. Cincy and Indy are the main competition and if we can use the pick strapped Eagles to leap frog the colts then Ozzie needs to sip some Freakin coffee and realize that talent level at hand. 

Ozzie knows his job. Barnett is a very good player and a great fit here, but let's draw a line between getting a great guy and overdrafting. By my count there's 90% chances that either one of Wilson or Lattimore will be there at 16, which would be a better case than trading up for Barnett. Even if Barnett is there at 16 I'd still consider the CBs. I was one of the first to advocate for Barnett when his 2016 tape started coming out, but I think people tend to «overlike» him because he fits that «next Sizzle» etiquette.

Edited January 17 by Jacquouille

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Ozzie knows his job. Barnett is a very good player and a great fit here, but let's draw a line between getting a great guy and overdrafting. By my count there's 90% chances that either one of Wilson or Lattimore will be there at 16, which would be a better case than trading up for Barnett. Even if Barnett is there at 16 I'd still consider the CBs. I was one of the first to advocate for Barnett when his 2016 tape started coming out, but I think people tend to «overlike» him because he fits that «next Sizzle» etiquette.

I have to disagree. Barnett is far and away more valuable at 16 than any cb in the draft. He'd be above the corners even if we were picking in the top ten. It's not just people on this board that think that highly of him, PFF has him ranked as the number three prospect in the draft, just after Garret and Allen: https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-top-32-prospects-for-the-2017-nfl-draft/

Edited January 17 by RaineV1

[ravensnation5220]

7 hours ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

He got acquitted, but he might be off our board. That sucks. I guess it will depend on our scouts to dig for more info, but it looks a bit sketchy to be honest.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/08/24/-latest-woman-says-shes-sure-fsu-player-punched-her/32262335/

Ya I know he got off. I still think that and the dog incident will keep him off our board

[ravensnation5220]

After watching these playoffs I'm thinking great corners don't mean much anymore with how these qbs can throw it. Pass rush is still evident but I would almost rather focus our attention on offense and let flacco do what these guys are doing. Give him a Mike Williams or Corey Davis and a stable offensive line and I think we should see major improvement in our offense

Edited January 17 by ravensnation5220

[rossihunter2]

4 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Ozzie knows his job. Barnett is a very good player and a great fit here, but let's draw a line between getting a great guy and overdrafting. By my count there's 90% chances that either one of Wilson or Lattimore will be there at 16, which would be a better case than trading up for Barnett. Even if Barnett is there at 16 I'd still consider the CBs. I was one of the first to advocate for Barnett when his 2016 tape started coming out, but I think people tend to «overlike» him because he fits that «next Sizzle» etiquette.

Barnett is a top 6 guy by my count at the moment and I have no corners in the top 10 - Barnett would be a steal at 16 but I don't think there's even a chance it happens

also you're the first person I've heard put Lattimore in the discussion that high

[rossihunter2]

8 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

After watching these playoffs I'm thinking great corners don't mean much anymore with how these qbs can throw it. Pass rush is still evident but I would almost rather focus our attention on offense and let flacco do what these guys are doing. Give him a Mike Williams or Corey Davis and a stable offensive line and I think we should see major improvement in our offense

The more I think about the pick the less worried I am - I've wanted a pass rusher the whole way so far but I've started to realise that whoever the bpa pick is is gonna be an impact player that we could really use - the only position I wouldn't be enthused with us picking is ILB

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

Barnett is a top 6 guy by my count at the moment and I have no corners in the top 10 - Barnett would be a steal at 16 but I don't think there's even a chance it happens

also you're the first person I've heard put Lattimore in the discussion that high

Barnett is good we can all agree on that and he has it between the ears, but he's not a perfect prospect either. He lacks some explosiveness and his hands usage isn't elite either. There's room to grow.

After watching Wilson again and noticing how horrible a tackler he is, I'll put Lattimore as the best CB to come out in the last 3 years. I've yet to see a major flaw that would be hard to correct in his game. Only problem is that he played only one year.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

The more I think about the pick the less worried I am - I've wanted a pass rusher the whole way so far but I've started to realise that whoever the bpa pick is is gonna be an impact player that we could really use - the only position I wouldn't be enthused with us picking is ILB

I would be the opposite of happy if we took a RB.  Too many other needs

[VermontRaven]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

After watching these playoffs I'm thinking great corners don't mean much anymore with how these qbs can throw it. Pass rush is still evident but I would almost rather focus our attention on offense and let flacco do what these guys are doing. Give him a Mike Williams or Corey Davis and a stable offensive line and I think we should see major improvement in our offense

I respectfully disagree with this statement after seeing the Ravens with Jimmy and without Jimmy.  Obviously pass rush helps the secondary, but when we had Jimmy and Tavon out there as our corners, we were pretty darn good.  Imagine Jimmy and another good corner on the outside with Tavon sliding to his natural nickelback position...then if Jimmy or the other CB gets hurt, we know Tavon can slide up to outside corner.  This year when Jimmy was out, we had nobody we could rely on on the outside opposite of Tavon.

[usmccharles]

22 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

I respectfully disagree with this statement after seeing the Ravens with Jimmy and without Jimmy.  Obviously pass rush helps the secondary, but when we had Jimmy and Tavon out there as our corners, we were pretty darn good.  Imagine Jimmy and another good corner on the outside with Tavon sliding to his natural nickelback position...then if Jimmy or the other CB gets hurt, we know Tavon can slide up to outside corner.  This year when Jimmy was out, we had nobody we could rely on on the outside opposite of Tavon.

This right here.  We were completely different team with those two playing together.  

[ravensnation5220]

Seems to me were all forgetting about malik McDowell 

[ravensnation5220]

29 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

I respectfully disagree with this statement after seeing the Ravens with Jimmy and without Jimmy.  Obviously pass rush helps the secondary, but when we had Jimmy and Tavon out there as our corners, we were pretty darn good.  Imagine Jimmy and another good corner on the outside with Tavon sliding to his natural nickelback position...then if Jimmy or the other CB gets hurt, we know Tavon can slide up to outside corner.  This year when Jimmy was out, we had nobody we could rely on on the outside opposite of Tavon.

I probably over reacted with the statement cause a great secondary is a boon to every team. But we won't be able to get very far if we can't rush the passer as was shown this weekend great corners can't cover forever, and offense has become such a focal point in terms of success 

[VermontRaven]

34 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I probably over reacted with the statement cause a great secondary is a boon to every team. But we won't be able to get very far if we can't rush the passer as was shown this weekend great corners can't cover forever, and offense has become such a focal point in terms of success 

It's definitely a tough debate about which is more important: pass rush or secondary.  In reality, it is impossible to separate the 2 because they rely on each other.  Personally, I would rather invest in another good CB over pass rusher.  I think we have a pretty good sample about what our team looks like with 2 quality outside corners vs. 1 (even with our inconsistent pass rush)  Unless our pass rush drastically improves (which I am not sure would happen by the addition of just 1 player), I feel upgrading CB is a much safer route to go with us.  I feel if we had 1 more quality outside CB, we would be in the playoffs and ready to give NE/Pitt/anybody else one heck of a game.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Seems to me were all forgetting about malik McDowell 

Injuries and suspect work ethic have pushed him waaay down my board.

[JonnyBaltimore]

1 hour ago, VermontRaven said:

It's definitely a tough debate about which is more important: pass rush or secondary.  In reality, it is impossible to separate the 2 because they rely on each other.  Personally, I would rather invest in another good CB over pass rusher.  I think we have a pretty good sample about what our team looks like with 2 quality outside corners vs. 1 (even with our inconsistent pass rush)  Unless our pass rush drastically improves (which I am not sure would happen by the addition of just 1 player), I feel upgrading CB is a much safer route to go with us.  I feel if we had 1 more quality outside CB, we would be in the playoffs and ready to give NE/Pitt/anybody else one heck of a game.

I think we are going to go DB because we have Z. Smith, Judon, plus our 2nd round and 3rd round picks from last year that are ''pass rushers'' but haven't been on the field yet. 

[Drew P]

8 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

I think we are going to go DB because we have Z. Smith, Judon, plus our 2nd round and 3rd round picks from last year that are ''pass rushers'' but haven't been on the field yet. 

Z vanished in 2016. Correa is currently a core ST at best. Kaufusi is an upright end similar to Urban, Davis...blah. They need an edge guy that can bend and get after the QB and those are in less abundance than DB's this year. But I wouldn't complain about a DB early they sure as hell need at least two more.

[rossihunter2]

not a mock draft but daniel jeremiah's ranked top 50 prospects is interesting - particularly derek barnett #17 - in fact all of it - obviously it'll change a lot but i still think its interesting how different his first look is to most people here's consensus at the moment

[ravensnation5220]

22 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

not a mock draft but daniel jeremiah's ranked top 50 prospects is interesting - particularly derek barnett #17 - in fact all of it - obviously it'll change a lot but i still think its interesting how different his first look is to most people here's consensus at the moment

All big boards are all over the place right now. I kinda like draftteks but it should clear up and balance out more at the combine

[ravensnation5220]

24 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

not a mock draft but daniel jeremiah's ranked top 50 prospects is interesting - particularly derek barnett #17 - in fact all of it - obviously it'll change a lot but i still think its interesting how different his first look is to most people here's consensus at the moment

All big boards are all over the place right now. I kinda like draftteks but it should clear up and balance out more at the combine

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Barnett is good we can all agree on that and he has it between the ears, but he's not a perfect prospect either. He lacks some explosiveness and his hands usage isn't elite either. There's room to grow.

After watching Wilson again and noticing how horrible a tackler he is, I'll put Lattimore as the best CB to come out in the last 3 years. I've yet to see a major flaw that would be hard to correct in his game. Only problem is that he played only one year.

One year exactly lol players that flash for one year cannot be deemed the best in the class. Especially against upperclassmen with a larger body of work. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

Z vanished in 2016. Correa is currently a core ST at best. Kaufusi is an upright end similar to Urban, Davis...blah. They need an edge guy that can bend and get after the QB and those are in less abundance than DB's this year. But I wouldn't complain about a DB early they sure as hell need at least two more.

Kaufusi can actually bend he edge quite well. He's got a brutal under hook and great burst off the line and when he pairs them right he's been unstoppable, that was in college though of course.

[Sizzlebshu]

26 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Kaufusi can actually bend he edge quite well. He's got a brutal under hook and great burst off the line and when he pairs them right he's been unstoppable, that was in college though of course.

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read that as almost never

[Jacquouille]

51 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

One year exactly lol players that flash for one year cannot be deemed the best in the class. Especially against upperclassmen with a larger body of work. 

One year is plenty enough to see how good a player is. That's not a factor for me honestly.

 

14 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

read that as almost never

Why? He did it in college and even if he didn't you can learn to.

[Italian Raven]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

not a mock draft but daniel jeremiah's ranked top 50 prospects is interesting - particularly derek barnett #17 - in fact all of it - obviously it'll change a lot but i still think its interesting how different his first look is to most people here's consensus at the moment

Jeremiah also forgot Lawson, Cunningham, Eflein in his top 50 and wrote about McKinley that he " ... is at his best when he's shooting gaps and relying on his quickness. Overall, McKinley could struggle on run downs but he's a major force on passing downs."
Can struggle on run downs? lol 
DJ and Mayock have really started to lose some ground lately.