Mock Drafts from the Media

[rossihunter2]

15 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya man it's a crazy film to watch. Im honestly kinda hoping we take a chance on this kid. His film says top 5 pick

Edit: not even "kinda hoping". I want Malik McDowell at 16.

im starting to see a situation where we get on the board and barnett, davis and williams are all gone and we end up trading back a few spots and taking one of mckinley, mcdowell, tim williams, robinson, lamp - i could see all 5 of those guys being there and could get behind any one of those guys and we pick up an extra pick

id be 100% fine with mcdowell at 16 though as long as ozzie and eric are happy about the character concerns and his motivation/love of football

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He finishes with authority, that much is evident on tape. 

His production is gonna be limited when he's playing nose at the 0T at 6'5" 295 with a penetrators skillset  and drawing the entire interior OL. He dealt with this an absurd amount. 

Seems you are getting him mixed up with nkemdiche, understandable, they're similar players with similar personality concerns, but nkemdiche was a certified bonehead and McDowell just appears to need a better environment, and on the field McDowell is just a better natural ball player, he's got the vision and pursuit that nkemdiche lacked

I know he finishes with authority... but he didnt finish enough for me.

The ND tape is great, and that was against some top talent. Which begs the question why isnt more of his tape like that?

It's clear with his lateral agility, strength, and tool kit he shouldve been tearing up almost anyone across from him. I know it's not that simple, sometimes assignment, game plan, off days, etc... dictate differently... but for a guy who flashed that level of dominance where top talent look like rag dolls i would just have expected to see it more often or in bigger situations.

And in terms of production i dont mean just getting into the back field or getting after the QB... there's a lot of instances of him settling for just riding a block instead of shedding and making a play, or over pursuing himself beyond a play... i dont see nearly as many stops as he puts himself in position to make. I mean, putting himself in position that many times is part of the battle, and can be a positive; but i expected more.

He looked great when Mich St was making their run to the title. Consistently dominant for them. Maybe the key piece to that great D. Then this past year when the team wasnt that good, he didnt take a step forward at all. I get being bummed that your team stinks, but when your draft position is at stake and you're being talked about as a potential top 5-10 pick, youd think that would be enough.

The fact that it wasnt worries me.

 

When it comes to personality issues, or what get deemed personality red flags, poor interviewing, etc... im not going to guess at what the cause of them are; like its just as simple as better environment. We dont know that and no one does.

Look if the FO thinks they can turn the light on for him and hes worth it at 16, great. I'll eventually get behind it just like i would with John Ross.

But when several teams are quoted as saying things like "Awful, awful interview...." "worst interview we did" and things like that.... cause for concern.

And guys who dont recognize their own flaws/issues and seem to get offended by them, not motivated, worry me. 

 

Maybe they dont become concerns in the NFL... but to overlook them or write them off is risky biz. Nkemdiche may not be the best or exactly like for like, but he was a guy who flashed dominance... had top 10 talent almost unanimously, dropped and the Cards were applauded in the media for taking the risk bc of how big it could pay off, and he couldnt get on the field.

Thats the risk. Yea it can go the other way and when it pays off its great. Im just not comfortable with that risk at 16. 28-32? Sure. Not 16 for me.

 

Edited April 10 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Edgar]

McDowell needs to improve his ability to find the ball when engaged. That doesn't seem to be part of his game yet. He will beat his man and lose sight of ball carrier.

Sort of puts his head down and tends to ignore everything but the guy in front of him.

Haven't watched him in a while but I remember at least two games where he didn't play well and really was pushed around, mostly at 5T.

Generally, you had better double team this guy on third down and this is no small thing to me. Pretty sure he can develop more in the run game.

Defense has severely missed getting pressure up the middle. This guy can win and win quickly and I'm very intrigued by the thought of him at sixteen.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I've now seen a worse mock for us than Chad Reuter's.

PFF's Steve Palazzolo's 3 rounder.... ugh.

Rd 1: Carl Lawson.... with Malik Hooker on the board.

Rd 2: Jabrill Peppers.... w/ Cam Robinson, Garett Bolles, Dan Feeney, Kevin King, Awuzie, Witherspoon, etc....

Rd 3: Mack Hollins, WR, NC??? Bc of his "blazing speed" that we love so much.

 

I know some are really high on Lawson. Love his potential but not at 16... and especially if Malik Hooker is just sitting there. Fournette was there still too.

I want no parts of Jabrill Peppers. 

And i honestly have no clue of Mack Hollins. 1st ive heard of him, period.... let alone as a 3rd round pick for us.

[ravensnation5220]

13 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I've now seen a worse mock for us than Chad Reuter's.

PFF's Steve Palazzolo's 3 rounder.... ugh.

Rd 1: Carl Lawson.... with Malik Hooker on the board.

Rd 2: Jabrill Peppers.... w/ Cam Robinson, Garett Bolles, Dan Feeney, Kevin King, Awuzie, Witherspoon, etc....

Rd 3: Mack Hollins, WR, NC??? Bc of his "blazing speed" that we love so much.

 

I know some are really high on Lawson. Love his potential but not at 16... and especially if Malik Hooker is just sitting there. Fournette was there still too.

I want no parts of Jabrill Peppers. 

And i honestly have no clue of Mack Hollins. 1st ive heard of him, period.... let alone as a 3rd round pick for us.

Im a big fan of peppers so him in the second round is a steal, but the other 2 picks are staight aweful

[rmw10]

36 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I've now seen a worse mock for us than Chad Reuter's.

PFF's Steve Palazzolo's 3 rounder.... ugh.

Rd 1: Carl Lawson.... with Malik Hooker on the board.

Rd 2: Jabrill Peppers.... w/ Cam Robinson, Garett Bolles, Dan Feeney, Kevin King, Awuzie, Witherspoon, etc....

Rd 3: Mack Hollins, WR, NC??? Bc of his "blazing speed" that we love so much.

 

I know some are really high on Lawson. Love his potential but not at 16... and especially if Malik Hooker is just sitting there. Fournette was there still too.

I want no parts of Jabrill Peppers. 

And i honestly have no clue of Mack Hollins. 1st ive heard of him, period.... let alone as a 3rd round pick for us.

PFF is always awful for mock purposes.  They let their college grades influence their rankings, when obviously it's about traits and not the stats.

[jboy19]

On 4/10/2017 at 9:40 AM, Edgar said:

McDowell needs to improve his ability to find the ball when engaged. That doesn't seem to be part of his game yet. He will beat his man and lose sight of ball carrier.

Sort of puts his head down and tends to ignore everything but the guy in front of him.

Haven't watched him in a while but I remember at least two games where he didn't play well and really was pushed around, mostly at 5T.

Generally, you had better double team this guy on third down and this is no small thing to me. Pretty sure he can develop more in the run game.

Defense has severely missed getting pressure up the middle. This guy can win and win quickly and I'm very intrigued by the thought of him at sixteen.

I always got the impression watching McDowell that he's the classic "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" type of guy. Granted I don't know if thats a scheme problem or not. He played a lot of NT/1T at Michigan State and he won't do that in the NFL. Plus since he's added 20 pounds to his listed weight, that will significantly affect his play. 

I think you're right though. He never really used his length as well as I thought he should of (Never seemed to be the guy to get hands up to block passes). I'd have to go back and look at his tape because I'd want him to play the 3T alignment if he was drafted at 16. 

I did hear a lot of pundits knocking him on his interviews for what its worth, but if the Ravens took him, I'd be interested to see how they used him- I'm under the impression that the FO plans on a lot of DL rotation, but I don't think you could justify keeping McDowell off the field as much as would probably be ideal if hes taken at 16. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

PFF is always awful for mock purposes.  They let their college grades influence their rankings, when obviously it's about traits and not the stats.

I was just about to post something along these lines.

After now looking at all their mocks, it looks like they just use it as a platform to emphasize their grading system; and dont take into account level of competition, overall play, traits, measurables, play set, etc...

Just, hey, we have a way higher grade on this guy who played low level ball but was dominant over a 10 game stretch so graded out as our 8th college WR so we're going to mock him around that area even though no one else has going before the 6th round.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I've now seen a worse mock for us than Chad Reuter's.

PFF's Steve Palazzolo's 3 rounder.... ugh.

Rd 1: Carl Lawson.... with Malik Hooker on the board.

Rd 2: Jabrill Peppers.... w/ Cam Robinson, Garett Bolles, Dan Feeney, Kevin King, Awuzie, Witherspoon, etc....

Rd 3: Mack Hollins, WR, NC??? Bc of his "blazing speed" that we love so much.

 

I know some are really high on Lawson. Love his potential but not at 16... and especially if Malik Hooker is just sitting there. Fournette was there still too.

I want no parts of Jabrill Peppers. 

And i honestly have no clue of Mack Hollins. 1st ive heard of him, period.... let alone as a 3rd round pick for us.

carl lawson has the talent to go 16th its the injuries that will knock him back so i dont like the player but if he pans out he's probably worth that pick but yeah with hooker on the board there's no way we wouldnt take him

N.B. i just looked at the actual site and can only find the mock from a week ago where we pick all the same guys but malik hooker is gone at 7... leonard fournette is still there though

jabrill peppers i actually like in the 2nd round just not in the 1st - as long as he's not the marquee guy in a class i think he'll be able to thrive with slightly less attention, less pressure and more time to properly adjust to either dimebacker or safety in the nfl - also there's not the bugabear that we'd be drafting a returner in round 1 - that being said if cam robinson is there, im taking cam robinson

mack hollins is a horrible pick - he's a 5th rounder at best for me

N.B. who's the other 3rd round pick because i looked at the most recent one of his mocks (a week ago before the timmy jernigan trade) and he still has us picking at 99 where we take OT mcdermott

i dont know if this is the same mock...

Edited April 11 by rossihunter2

[ravensnation5220]

@Edgar @jboy19 

You guys really need to go back and take another look at the tape and re evaluate him completely. Take all the things you think now and throw it away and watch him with a new perspective. Thats what happened when i took a second look at him. Oh and make sure to watch his notre dame tape when he goes up against 2 future first round picks in mglinchley(idk how to spell lol) and nelson

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

carl lawson has the talent to go 16th its the injuries that will knock him back so i dont like the player but if he pans out he's probably worth that pick but yeah with hooker on the board there's no way we wouldnt take him

N.B. i just looked at the actual site and can only find the mock from a week ago where we pick all the same guys but malik hooker is gone at 7... leonard fournette is still there though

jabrill peppers i actually like in the 2nd round just not in the 1st - as long as he's not the marquee guy in a class i think he'll be able to thrive with slightly less attention, less pressure and more time to properly adjust to either dimebacker or safety in the nfl - also there's not the bugabear that we'd be drafting a returner in round 1 - that being said if cam robinson is there, im taking cam robinson

mack hollins is a horrible pick - he's a 5th rounder at best for me

N.B. who's the other 3rd round pick because i looked at the most recent one of his mocks (a week ago before the timmy jernigan trade) and he still has us picking at 99 where we take OT mcdermott

i dont know if this is the same mock...

No youre right on the Hooker/Lawson.

Another one of their guys mocked us Lawson at 16 and had Hooker going one pick later at 17. I had them both opened on different tabs (for reference), saw the Lawson at 16 when making this comment and assumed it was the 3 rounder.

The one with Hooker still on the board is Josh Liskiewitz' from yesterday.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

@Edgar @jboy19 

You guys really need to go back and take another look at the tape and re evaluate him completely. Take all the things you think now and throw it away and watch him with a new perspective. Thats what happened when i took a second look at him. Oh and make sure to watch his notre dame tape when he goes up against 2 future first round picks in mglinchley(idk how to spell lol) and nelson

You cant throw away what you know though lol. Thats part of the evaluation.

The Notre Dame game is great.... absolutely dominating. But thats the book. You get that level of consisten dominance in one game, and then maybe 1 or 2 others against low level competition. Then theres games where he flashes it. Then theres games where you dont even think youre watching the same guy.

You have to include the interviews. You have to include the fact that he doesnt seem to acknowledge the knocks on him. You have to include the fact that he seemed completely disinterested at times.

 

You cant weight the ND tape any more than the tape where he disappears. Its all part of him.... and you have to weigh it all and make a determination of whether or not thats who he is, or whether you think you can get the ND tape consistently.

He mailed in most of his senior year, and i can understand that having nothing to really play for other than draft position. He mailed in the combine interviews according to most that met him. Cant understand that.

I have serious, serious concerns that once he gets money and freedom; hes going to keep mailing it in.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

No youre right on the Hooker/Lawson.

Another one of their guys mocked us Lawson at 16 and had Hooker going one pick later at 17. I had them both opened on different tabs (for reference), saw the Lawson at 16 when making this comment and assumed it was the 3 rounder.

The one with Hooker still on the board is Josh Liskiewitz' from yesterday.

lol i just read through those picks... wow - its literally a mockery of player evaluations

[Jonah DeVito]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Im a big fan of peppers so him in the second round is a steal, but the other 2 picks are staight aweful

I really don't think it's a steal though, it's where he should go. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Every PFF guy has us taking Carl Lawson....

Gordon McGuinness does now too.

Has us taking him with Jamal Adams, Solomon Thomas, Corey Davis, Haason Reddick, Fournette, etc..

 

Has Zay Jones going in the 1st. Mahomes going to Jax 4th. Jourdan Lewis 15th. Thomas 19th. Jordan Willis 22nd. Jamal Adams 24th. Zay Jones 27th. Dede Westbrook 30th.

 

PFF loves Jourdan Lewis, Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, and Dede Westbrook. 

[rossihunter2]

7 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Every PFF guy has us taking Carl Lawson....

Gordon McGuinness does now too.

Has us taking him with Jamal Adams, Solomon Thomas, Corey Davis, Haason Reddick, Fournette, etc..

 

Has Zay Jones going in the 1st. Mahomes going to Jax 4th. Jourdan Lewis 15th. Thomas 19th. Jordan Willis 22nd. Jamal Adams 24th. Zay Jones 27th. Dede Westbrook 30th.

 

PFF loves Jourdan Lewis, Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, and Dede Westbrook. 

and they really dont like leonard fournette

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Every PFF guy has us taking Carl Lawson....

Gordon McGuinness does now too.

Has us taking him with Jamal Adams, Solomon Thomas, Corey Davis, Haason Reddick, Fournette, etc..

 

Has Zay Jones going in the 1st. Mahomes going to Jax 4th. Jourdan Lewis 15th. Thomas 19th. Jordan Willis 22nd. Jamal Adams 24th. Zay Jones 27th. Dede Westbrook 30th.

 

PFF loves Jourdan Lewis, Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, and Dede Westbrook. 

I can't see the Jaguars going for Mahomes. I don't think they're ready to give up on Bortles, and Mahomes has a lot of the same questionmarks as Bortles (though probably a higher ceiling). Willis in the 1st in insane to me. He does not look like a first rounder on tap. He could become really good, but it'll take time. Adams should be a top five pick and it'd be insane for the Ravens to pass on him even if we did get Jefferson. Jones I can see as a late first if a team really likes him.

On Lawson, the guy has first round talent, no question. When healthy he is extremely good. The injuries will scare off a lot of teams. Though if he slides to the second, then someone could get the steal of the draft.

Edited April 11 by RaineV1

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

21 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I can't see the Jaguars going for Mahomes. I don't think they're ready to give up on Bortles, and Mahomes has a lot of the same questionmarks as Bortles (though probably a higher ceiling). Willis in the 1st in insane to me. He does not look like a first rounder on tap. He could become really good, but it'll take time. Adams should be a top five pick and it'd be insane for the Ravens to pass on him even if we did get Jefferson. Jones I can see as a late first if a team really likes him.

On Lawson, the guy has first round talent, no question. When healthy he is extremely good. The injuries will scare off a lot of teams. Though if he slides to the second, then someone could get the steal of the draft.

I agree on Lawson... he has the talent, but missing a full year and a half out of 3 is really scary. It seems like PFF just isnt taking that into account at all and are just mocking him to be in agreement with how his '16 play graded out. His skinny lower body is a little worrisome to me too... could be easily uprooted, redirected and knocked off balance by bigger, stronger and more athletic tackles in the NFL.

It wouldnt be the worst pick we could make, but id prob take Tim Williams and maybe even Charles Harris or Takk ahead of him just at that position.... let alone some of the other prospects they have us passing on.

 

[Edgar]

3 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

@Edgar @jboy19 

You guys really need to go back and take another look at the tape and re evaluate him completely. Take all the things you think now and throw it away and watch him with a new perspective. Thats what happened when i took a second look at him. Oh and make sure to watch his notre dame tape when he goes up against 2 future first round picks in mglinchley(idk how to spell lol) and nelson

I don't discount his ability. But I stand by what I said.

I actually like him not a little off the edge. If he develops any sort of inside counter move he will be devastating. 

To me, it comes down to whether or not he views himself as a football player foremost and can keep out of trouble with the law. Doesn't matter too much if he's a jerk as long as I get effort and production.

I have my doubts about that but might consider it worthwhile to sign a freeney or even Dumervil to mentor.

 

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

I can't see the Jaguars going for Mahomes. I don't think they're ready to give up on Bortles, and Mahomes has a lot of the same questionmarks as Bortles (though probably a higher ceiling). Willis in the 1st in insane to me. He does not look like a first rounder on tap. He could become really good, but it'll take time. Adams should be a top five pick and it'd be insane for the Ravens to pass on him even if we did get Jefferson. Jones I can see as a late first if a team really likes him.

On Lawson, the guy has first round talent, no question. When healthy he is extremely good. The injuries will scare off a lot of teams. Though if he slides to the second, then someone could get the steal of the draft.

If the jaguars draft a qb then they might as well get Tom coughlin to fire the gm and coach now because they literally hired Doug marrone and kept Dave Caldwell because they sold the owner on reviving Blake bortles - so if they give up on him then what's the point in keeping those two around? They're likely gone next year if bortles doesn't improve anyway... I can't really look past fournette for the jags at 4 because they will have to do everything to make the offense take some pressure off bortles

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I agree on Lawson... he has the talent, but missing a full year and a half out of 3 is really scary. It seems like PFF just isnt taking that into account at all and are just mocking him to be in agreement with how his '16 play graded out. His skinny lower body is a little worrisome to me too... could be easily uprooted, redirected and knocked off balance by bigger, stronger and more athletic tackles in the NFL.

It wouldnt be the worst pick we could make, but id prob take Tim Williams and maybe even Charles Harris or Takk ahead of him just at that position.... let alone some of the other prospects they have us passing on.

 

I'd take Williams over him. Not sure about Harris. His lack of bend worries me a little, but with how explosive he is off the line he might not need that much bend to effective. I'd probably take Lawson over Takk, but Takk could be the safer pick.

[rossihunter2]

32 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I'd take Williams over him. Not sure about Harris. His lack of bend worries me a little, but with how explosive he is off the line he might not need that much bend to effective. I'd probably take Lawson over Takk, but Takk could be the safer pick.

im coming around on takk lately - he's not as stiff as i thought he was and has shown the ability to bend at times (although not often) - he's often dominant physically with a great first step - my feelings on him were in some part clouded by how raw i thought he was initially but i watched more tape of his about a week ago and saw a little nouse and footballing iq which made me like him a lot more - he's still raw but he's shown characteristics of someone who could develop consistent technique and some rush moves and become dominant - that was my main concern about takk but it's been assuaged somewhat by time and watching more tape - id now happily take him over reddick, mcdowell, ross, humphrey, conley, lamp, robinson etc. maybe even tim williams as well

[RaineV1]

3 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

im coming around on takk lately - he's not as stiff as i thought he was and has shown the ability to bend at times (although not often) - he's often dominant physically with a great first step - my feelings on him were in some part clouded by how raw i thought he was initially but i watched more tape of his about a week ago and saw a little nouse and footballing iq which made me like him a lot more - he's still raw but he's shown characteristics of someone who could develop consistent technique and some rush moves and become dominant - that was my main concern about takk but it's been assuaged somewhat by time and watching more tape - id now happily take him over reddick, mcdowell, ross, humphrey, conley, lamp, robinson etc. maybe even tim williams as well

I like Takk as well. I think he can be a poor man's Suggs on the strong side, with the ability to do well against the run and pass. Takk could be a very good trade back target. I just think Lawson's talent level puts him higher if you're willing to take the risk on the injuries.

[ravensnation5220]

@rossihunter2 @RaineV1

The one thing that gives me pause on Takk is his IQ. Hes not the smartest guy and i worry his football IQ could falter. I mean he majored in African Amercan studies lol. Sounds like a BS major

same with mcdowell, and the ravens like smart plaers on their football team

Edited April 12 by ravensnation5220

[rossihunter2]

18 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I like Takk as well. I think he can be a poor man's Suggs on the strong side, with the ability to do well against the run and pass. Takk could be a very good trade back target. I just think Lawson's talent level puts him higher if you're willing to take the risk on the injuries.

Which is obviously the big issue otherwise Lawson would be a shoe in to be a top 16 pick - the problem is it's not little niggly ones, it's full blown season gone type injuries - so he's kind of boom or bust in that sense - you're either gonna get a whole season or none of a season which is problematic - which of course is telling no one here anything new

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

@rossihunter2 @RaineV1

The one thing that gives me pause on Takk is his IQ. Hes not the smartest guy and i worry his football IQ could falter. I mean he majored in African Amercan studies lol. Sounds like a BS major

I'm pretty confident that it's a reputable historical/sociology/humanities kind of mix of stuff lol but that's by the by

what makes you think his iq is low (not challenging - just asking because I've seen nothing obvious about it in the media)?

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I'm pretty confident that it's a reputable historical/sociology/humanities kind of mix of stuff lol but that's by the by

what makes you think his iq is low (not challenging - just asking because I've seen nothing obvious about it in the media)?

This might make you like him more but Ill just share it anyways. 

 

[rossihunter2]

8 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

This might make you like him more but Ill just share it anyways. 

 

Not available here in the U.K. lol but I guess it's the thought that counts haha

[ravensnation5220]

33 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Not available here in the U.K. lol but I guess it's the thought that counts haha

Oh lol well, he talks about his struggle with school early and had plenty of problems with academic eligibility. Seems like UCLA pulled a few strings to get him there

[Ravenskid52752]

 

I know this has nothing to do with the ravens but heavy effect if this happens.

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter

 

Cleveland has not made up its mind at No. 1, per source. Split opinions. Some like Myles Garrett, some like Mitchell Trubisky. We will see.

Umm only the Browns would do this 

Edited April 12 by Ravenskid52752