Mock Drafts from the Media

[BmoreBird22]

On 3/29/2017 at 4:30 AM, rossihunter2 said:

I don't see that Barnett has a lack of lateral agility - especially with the way he sets up his outside moves often with essentially a double move type deal or a fake to the inside - I really don't see the athletic limitations as limitations because he's still pretty athletic - he just uses his tools to aid his athleticism

I don't view him as a poor athlete by any stretch. He's got enough to get it done. I just don't think he has the physical and athletic traits needed to be an elite edge player.

[BmoreBird22]

On 3/29/2017 at 11:33 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I get the point... but arbitrarily saying a "1st round grade" is 7.0 or higher, and that in any year theres at most 10-15 players that would grade in that range is meaningless, and almost stupid.

Why would that be your criteria for someone having a 1st round grade if theres never been a draft that has 32 players with said grade. Grading someone as a 1st rounder is literally a dumb label if less than half of the players in the 1st round are capable of earning that grade in 90% of drafts. Not directed at you, just the semantics of the system/idea.

 

If a team is constructing their board, and theyre identifying players with "1st round grades" it should mean the players they'd be comfortable taking in the 1st round. If its only relative to their pick (using us as an example) then sure, maybe that only consists of 10-15 players since we're picking 16th. Someone we'd feel comfortable picking at 25 wouldnt have our "1st round grade" in that situation.

 

I guess what im saying is that a system that says a player must have a 7.0 or higher, of which there will only ever be 10-15 in a draft, is no more or less arbitrary than one that says there are 38 players with 1st round grades, meaning 38 players that could/should go in the 1st.

If a grade scale is tied to the rounds of the draft, it should be a moving scale based on the available pool of players in any given draft... not something thats drawn across all players in all drafts.

You have to think of what the grade means, though. If it means that a player will step in day one, be a starter, be an impact maker, and be a Pro Bowl caliber player, do we have 32 of those a year? We probably have about 10 to 15, truthfully. 

If your definition is that they just come in and start day one, then we get a bit bigger. If we want them to just have a high impact (a little subjective), the lines broaden a little bit more. It depends on entirely what your definition is.

[ravensnation5220]

Lol this was a good laugh. Thought I'd share it here

https://mobile.twitter.com/TonyZ19/status/847535217011286016?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcbssports.cbsi.com%2Fremote.html%3F1490899213109

[JoeyFlex5]

ok so here goes another ridiculous disaster by nfl.com 

chad reuter mocked these things... 

takk mckinley 8th overall to the panthers 

ravens passing on malik hooker 

malik hooker falling to 17 

jordan willis 21st to detroit 

reuben foster 24th to oakland 

kevin king 26th to seattle 

dalvin cook falling to 27 

josh jones 28 to dallas 

man, what a mock.

 

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ok so here goes another ridiculous disaster by nfl.com 

chad reuter mocked these things... 

takk mckinley 8th overall to the panthers 

ravens passing on malik hooker 

malik hooker falling to 17 

jordan willis 21st to detroit 

reuben foster 24th to oakland 

kevin king 26th to seattle 

dalvin cook falling to 27 

josh jones 28 to dallas 

man, what a mock.

 

I skimmed through all of our picks and decided the mock was completely worthless so I didn't bother posting about it lol 

[RaineV1]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ok so here goes another ridiculous disaster by nfl.com 

chad reuter mocked these things... 

takk mckinley 8th overall to the panthers 

ravens passing on malik hooker 

malik hooker falling to 17 

jordan willis 21st to detroit 

reuben foster 24th to oakland 

kevin king 26th to seattle 

dalvin cook falling to 27 

josh jones 28 to dallas 

man, what a mock.

 

I rarely get upset about the Ravens passing on a guy, but that one would piss me off. Passing on a top five (at the ery least a top ten) talent at 16 is insane.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Dan Jeremiah just posted his 4.0 mock. 

And with no QB's picked before us still has Barnett falling to us. I like it. 

Couple curious selections with the Saints taking Conley at 11 with both Reuben Foster and Barnett on the board. 

And McCaffery going to the Panthers. 

 

But it certainly not a crazy set of circumstances where Barnett does in fact make it to us. There is some hope. 

[RavensDieHard21]

35 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Dan Jeremiah just posted his 4.0 mock. 

And with no QB's picked before us still has Barnett falling to us. I like it. 

Couple curious selections with the Saints taking Conley at 11 with both Reuben Foster and Barnett on the board. 

And McCaffery going to the Panthers. 

 

But it certainly not a crazy set of circumstances where Barnett does in fact make it to us. There is some hope. 

Barnett's chance of landing here can go either way. I think if two QBs go and two surprise picks happen while the Saints pass on him then he should 90% be there. 

I'm hoping Watson and Trubisky go then some combo like Reddick and Lamp go ahead of us. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Barnett's chance of landing here can go either way. I think if two QBs go and two surprise picks happen while the Saints pass on him then he should 90% be there. 

I'm hoping Watson and Trubisky go then some combo like Reddick and Lamp go ahead of us. 

Even without the QBs going (bc I don't see the Niners, Jets, Bills, Bears or Cards taking him) I think he could fall to us. 

Only teams I can see taking him are the Panthers, Bengals, Saints or Indy. 

Panthers I doubt. 

Bengals I think go Foster if he's there which I think he will. 

Saints are the big one for me. They need pass rush. But I see them taking Foster if he's there, a chance they go CB over pass rush especially if only Lattimore is taken so far.... and I could see them wanting the more athletic, twitchy guy in Takk or Taco. 

Indy I see taking OL, trading back for OL, or could go RB (Cook, Mixon, McCaffery). They need to help Luck out either with better protection or a consistent run game.

Feeling fairly confident he gets to the Saints and if they don't take him he's ours. 

Edited April 5 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Number23]

On 3/31/2017 at 4:58 PM, ravensnation5220 said:

Lol this was a good laugh. Thought I'd share it here

https://mobile.twitter.com/TonyZ19/status/847535217011286016?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcbssports.cbsi.com%2Fremote.html%3F1490899213109

Oh god that clip was way too on point 

[Prino61]

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16. Baltimore Ravens

Kiper: Takkarist McKinley, OLB, UCLA | Watch highlights
Baltimore needs pass-rushers. Terrell Suggs, 34, was the only Raven to have more than five sacks last season (he had eight). McKinley is a speed rusher who could play outside linebacker in the Ravens' 3-4. He broke out in 2016 with 10 sacks and three forced fumbles for the Bruins.

McShay: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama | Watch highlights
The Ravens spent the sixth overall pick last year on LT Ronnie Stanley, and Robinson is a natural fit on the right side. He still needs to improve his technique, but Robinson possesses excellent length (35½-inch arms) and is an elite mauler in the running game

 

 

 

47. Baltimore Ravens

Kiper: Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA
Moreau could drop a little farther after tearing a pectoral muscle at his pro day. He's expected to be ready for training camp, however, so I don't see him dropping much. Baltimore signed veteran corner Brandon Carr but needs youth and depth.

McShay: Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State
It's hard for a 255-pounder to have a better combine performance than Willis: 4.53 40, 39-inch vertical, 4.28-second short shuttle. I didn't quite see that level of explosiveness when initially watching Willis' tape, but he certainly caught the eye of folks in the league.

Edited April 5 by Prino61

[RavensDieHard21]

51 minutes ago, Prino61 said:

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16. Baltimore Ravens

Kiper: Takkarist McKinley, OLB, UCLA | Watch highlights
Baltimore needs pass-rushers. Terrell Suggs, 34, was the only Raven to have more than five sacks last season (he had eight). McKinley is a speed rusher who could play outside linebacker in the Ravens' 3-4. He broke out in 2016 with 10 sacks and three forced fumbles for the Bruins.

McShay: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama | Watch highlights
The Ravens spent the sixth overall pick last year on LT Ronnie Stanley, and Robinson is a natural fit on the right side. He still needs to improve his technique, but Robinson possesses excellent length (35½-inch arms) and is an elite mauler in the running game

 

 

 

47. Baltimore Ravens

Kiper: Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA
Moreau could drop a little farther after tearing a pectoral muscle at his pro day. He's expected to be ready for training camp, however, so I don't see him dropping much. Baltimore signed veteran corner Brandon Carr but needs youth and depth.

McShay: Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State
It's hard for a 255-pounder to have a better combine performance than Willis: 4.53 40, 39-inch vertical, 4.28-second short shuttle. I didn't quite see that level of explosiveness when initially watching Willis' tape, but he certainly caught the eye of folks in the league.

I like Kiper's better, but realistically, I think Cam and Takk are both far from complete prospects, or at least ones we should target at 16. 

Takk is a high motor kinda player but that is about it. He is a quicker Upshaw who doesn't set the edge as well. Watch once the tackle engages, he has zero counter moves. He tries to bull rush and even that isn't good enough to consistently beat NFL caliber RTs or LTs. He is a project player. 

I love Cam as a mauler guard in the run game, but he is slow and clunky in pass pro. I prefer Forrest Lamp, he's a beast. Yanda like player there. 

[Edgar]

15 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Dan Jeremiah just posted his 4.0 mock. 

And with no QB's picked before us still has Barnett falling to us. I like it. 

Couple curious selections with the Saints taking Conley at 11 with both Reuben Foster and Barnett on the board. 

And McCaffery going to the Panthers. 

 

But it certainly not a crazy set of circumstances where Barnett does in fact make it to us. There is some hope. 

I believe he has all three receivers going, along with McCaffrey and OJ Howard before we pick. 

[RaineV1]

CBS just did a mock. They had one receiver going before the Ravens, Corey Davis, so the Ravens selected Mike Williams. Here's the link so you can see how they came that conclusion: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-mock-draft-run-on-pass-rushers-in-first-round-fournette-goes-in-top-five/

[Jonah DeVito]

7 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

CBS just did a mock. They had one receiver going before the Ravens, Corey Davis, so the Ravens selected Mike Williams. Here's the link so you can see how they came that conclusion: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-mock-draft-run-on-pass-rushers-in-first-round-fournette-goes-in-top-five/

Looks fairly realistic, and Williams falls to us even with Jonathan Allen falling to 17. If all 3 running backs and at least 1 qb is taken before us we are going to get someone we really want at 16, and it's exciting to think about. 

[ellicottraven]

7 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

CBS just did a mock. They had one receiver going before the Ravens, Corey Davis, so the Ravens selected Mike Williams. Here's the link so you can see how they came that conclusion: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-mock-draft-run-on-pass-rushers-in-first-round-fournette-goes-in-top-five/

I seriously doubt we pick Mike Williams if it is BPA we're going after. You don't pass up on Jonathan Allen who is of the Haloti Ngata breed to pick Williams imho. If Johnathan Allen is there, we surely pick him over anybody else.

[Jonah DeVito]

19 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I seriously doubt we pick Mike Williams if it is BPA we're going after. You don't pass up on Jonathan Allen who is of the Haloti Ngata breed to pick Williams imho. If Johnathan Allen is there, we surely pick him over anybody else.

It won't matter as there is no chance Allen falls that far. 

[BmoreBird22]

38 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

It won't matter as there is no chance Allen falls that far. 

He's got BAD shoulders. 

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I seriously doubt we pick Mike Williams if it is BPA we're going after. You don't pass up on Jonathan Allen who is of the Haloti Ngata breed to pick Williams imho. If Johnathan Allen is there, we surely pick him over anybody else.

Well, if Allen fell that far, that means teams are terrified that his shoulders won't hold up. If that many teams pass on him, I'd say there's a good reason to be wary.

[Jonah DeVito]

46 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He's got BAD shoulders. 

True, it'd be better to say if he falls that far, I don't want him. 

[rossihunter2]

31 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

True, it'd be better to say if he falls that far, I don't want him. 

Exactly it's a terrible catch 22 where I want the player but if he fell to us we'd have to pass on him because it would indicate the medical issue is serious

[BMORE21]

i hope we dont draft a Wr in the first round even  if Mike williams, corey davis or john ross turn out to be great nfl wrs. Last great wr to win super bowl was jeryy rice. That means no ring for moss, carter,calvin,owens, julio, fitz etc. All we need are wrs that can play to our QB and system strengths. 

Edited April 8 by BMORE21
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[RaineV1]

23 minutes ago, BMORE21 said:

i hope we dont draft a Wr in the first round even  if Mike williams, corey davis or john ross turn out to be great nfl wrs. Last great wr to win super bowl was jeryy rice. That means no ring for moss, carter,calvin,owens, julio, fitz etc. All we need are wrs that can play to our QB and system strengths. 

Julio and Fitz got to the Super Bowl and only fell just short. And the Ravens won the super bowl in part because of Boldin's great play.

As for past great receivers to win the Super Bowl: Gronk (he's more of a receiving threat than a blocker), Colston (Saints in general had a top tier receiving core that year), Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, and Hines Ward.

Saying great WRs don't win Super Bowls is just inaccurate. Over the last twenty years the winners (and losers) tended to have some top tier play makers on offense.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

14 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Julio and Fitz got to the Super Bowl and only fell just short. And the Ravens won the super bowl in part because of Boldin's great play.

As for past great receivers to win the Super Bowl: Gronk (he's more of a receiving threat than a blocker), Colston (Saints in general had a top tier receiving core that year), Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, and Hines Ward.

Saying great WRs don't win Super Bowls is just inaccurate. Over the last twenty years the winners (and losers) tended to have some top tier play makers on offense.

Yea... I think it is true to say that you don't NEED a great WR to win a super bowl, but not to the extreme of saying that great WRs don't win Super Bowls. 

Brady's always had a number of weapons - Gronk as you pointed out but also Edelman and last year Hogan played a big role, Bennett and they just got Cooks. 

Denver had Demaryius and Sanders. 

Even Seattle - Baldwin really started breaking out. 

 

You think about our SB and the plays that got us there... the Pitta/Boldin vertical seam TD catches in the red zone, Jacoby in Denver, Joe's ballsy audible to throw to Boldin hot for that 1st down conversion with the game on the line, Pitta's multiple huge 1st down catches while getting drilled... Torrey stretching the field.

Our loss to NE the year before came down to a WR not making a play. Otherwise we're in back to back SB's. 

We always cite Joe's crazy run... but it also coincided with his weapons playing the best they have since he's been here. 

 

And Williams, imo, fits exactly what Joe's missing. That Boldin/Pitta 2012 presence of being open when covered, making the crucial tough catches in crunch time. 

 

Theres players id take over Williams, but certainly not passing him up just bc you can get away with not having great WRs. 

[ravensnation5220]

Who saw voch lumbardis video of him saying Malik McDowell is better than Solomon Thomas? It's honestly pretty good and I've been turning on McDowell quite a bit at 16. Voch seems to selling him to me lol

[rossihunter2]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Who saw voch lumbardis video of him saying Malik McDowell is better than Solomon Thomas? It's honestly pretty good and I've been turning on McDowell quite a bit at 16. Voch seems to selling him to me lol

The problem with mcdowell is not his film or athleticism but his maturity and iq 

[ravensnation5220]

45 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

The problem with mcdowell is not his film or athleticism but his maturity and iq 

Ya I get that. But his film.....sheesh...nobody can block him. I'd love to have suggs mentor him. Show him how to be a pro. He made Notre dame's oline look like fcs players lol. And they got a couple first round picks on that line next year

I feel like sometimes it's better to look past the off the feild stuff (can't believe in saying that). I mean he really hasn't ever hurt anyone or did anything stupid in any regard. Especially when the kid has top 5 talent which Malik does. 

Edited April 8 by ravensnation5220

[hn68wb4]

50 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Who saw voch lumbardis video of him saying Malik McDowell is better than Solomon Thomas? It's honestly pretty good and I've been turning on McDowell quite a bit at 16. Voch seems to selling him to me lol

I think McDowell is much more scheme versatile than Thomas - I think Thomas' versatility gets overstated often, in my opinion he's a 3-tech with maybe a little bit of ability to play 4-3 DE, but that's it, I hate him anywhere in the 3-4, at EDGE he'd be Courtney Upshaw, at DE I have a hard time seeing him turning into a 3 down player. McDowell on the other hand is fine at 3-tech or DE in either scheme. I do think that McDowell at his absolute best is better than Thomas, but you don't get McDowell at his best with any sort of consistency

[ravensnation5220]

4 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I think McDowell is much more scheme versatile than Thomas - I think Thomas' versatility gets overstated often, in my opinion he's a 3-tech with maybe a little bit of ability to play 4-3 DE, but that's it, I hate him anywhere in the 3-4, at EDGE he'd be Courtney Upshaw, at DE I have a hard time seeing him turning into a 3 down player. McDowell on the other hand is fine at 3-tech or DE in either scheme. I do think that McDowell at his absolute best is better than Thomas, but you don't get McDowell at his best with any sort of consistency

You nailed it on the head. Couldn't have said it better. 

Now, the elephant in the room. Maliks character and effort seem to be an issue but should we give him the benefit of the doubt? I mean he played hard on tape until Michigan st was pretty much done. The kid was the only player on his defense that could do anything positive and you can tell it frustrated him. Maybe he was been saving himself for the next level and trying to avoid injury. I mean he played nose tackle half the time and got double and triple teamed all the time. I'd get pretty tired of dealing with all that myself. 

[rossihunter2]

44 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I get that. But his film.....sheesh...nobody can block him. I'd love to have suggs mentor him. Show him how to be a pro. He made Notre dame's oline look like fcs players lol. And they got a couple first round picks on that line next year

I feel like sometimes it's better to look past the off the feild stuff (can't believe in saying that). I mean he really hasn't ever hurt anyone or did anything stupid in any regard. Especially when the kid has top 5 talent which Malik does. 

It's more about whether you trust him to mentally be able to pick up the playbook  and work within complicated defensive schemes etc. So it's not about him hurting anyone it's more about whether we trust him to be able to take the "job" seriously and work as hard as he should and whether we trust his intelligence level