Mock Drafts from the Media

[ravensnation5220]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

It depends. Conventional wisdom says franchise tackles go that high and you can wait on other OL positions...

but we've seen an emphasis on interior OL lately. I mean many thought Frederick was a reach for need by the Cowboys at the time.... but now they've got a perennial all pro C. 

If the FO thinks Cam Robinson, Bolles, or Lamp is an all pro at G/RT/C then it's not really a reach. Plus mocks don't usually project trades and that's always a possibility - they're hearing we love Cam but we only love him if we can trade down in the 18-22 range. 

Ultimately we can all say what value is... but if say Myles Garret is a huge bust and Cam Robinson becomes a HOF LG... then Garret would've been a waste even at 16 and Robinson would've been a great pick (assuming no other HOF players at more important positions were on the board for us there).

 

Id be happy if we traded back and went OL while picking up another pick on day 2 or multiple picks. 

But if we stay put id much prefer the top pass rusher available, MW/CD, OJ, a top CB... Foster if he falls somehow, I might even prefer Fournette if he fell to us. 

Ultimately I trust our FO evaluations over media guys and myself - so while the media and I may not think there's an OL worthy at 16.... if the FO does im not one to judge, especially with their track record of drafting them. 

this is all about a "what if" cenario. You can't base your projection on a project with "what if" it's a what have you done for me lately league and Myles Garrett is a can't miss prospect. Robinson has a lot of work to do. If we see a prospect who has a higher floor than Robinson you have to take him. Take the sure fire prospect before you take a prospect who has high potential. It's just that simple. 

Like jabrill peppers for example. His ceiling is all pro yet his floor is bust. While Humphrey has a future in this league regardless. He has traits that will translate to the NFL and keep him in the league for a long time however his potential might not be that of a jabrill peppers

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

34 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

this is all about a "what if" cenario. You can't base your projection on a project with "what if" it's a what have you done for me lately league and Myles Garrett is a can't miss prospect. Robinson has a lot of work to do. If we see a prospect who has a higher floor than Robinson you have to take him. Take the sure fire prospect before you take a prospect who has high potential. It's just that simple. 

Like jabrill peppers for example. His ceiling is all pro yet his floor is bust. While Humphrey has a future in this league regardless. He has traits that will translate to the NFL and keep him in the league for a long time however his potential might not be that of a jabrill peppers

Floors and ceilings are hypothetical,imaginary things that evaluators and media make up to describe what they think might happen and to account for the what if.... like what if theyre wrong. 

Saying a guy has a low floor and high ceiling is essentially saying he could suck or could be great. Well no duh. 

And consensus opinions don't matter either. 99% of people can think Garret is cant miss... but if one team isn't convinced and thinks someone else is better, and their player ends up proving that out -- the 1 was right. 

99.999999% of experts once guaranteed without a doubt the world was flat. 1 guy was right. Consensus opinions and projections don't matter. Ultimately all that matters is what guys in our war room think and that the guys they pick can play.

 

And the Ravens could very well think that Cam has an incredibly high floor and ceiling, while they see someone like Ross having a very low floor. Same can be said for almost anyone. 

The narrative of floors and ceilings, and consensus doesn't mean anything. All that matters is who the FO thinks is the best player for them at 16 and whether or not they're right. 

And I don't get your "what have you done for me lately" comment. It's the draft and that's the point. None of these guys has done anything... lately, a long time ago, yesterday, never. 

The draft is what will you end up doing for me. Bc no one cares how high you or Todd McShay said his floor was if he can't get on the field and Peppers/Cam/Ram, whoever end up making all pros. 

You don't get rings or prizes a week after the draft bc all the media evaluators get together and said you picked all the best value guys... your guys floors and ceiling and ratings were way above where you picked -- great job!

If the FO thinks Cam Robinson is the , say, 8th best player in the draft and the other 7 get picked... then he's the right pick at the time. How he plays determines whether their evaluation is right or not. Nothing else. 

Edited March 30 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[ravensnation5220]

@BOLDnPurPnBlacK I see what your saying and I do like cam Robinson because at worst he can still be an average gaurd. I just never like talking about ceilings. I don't like projecting what a guy can become because that's how you get yourself in trouble and the player ends up being a bust.

Fyi nobody ever truly believed the earth was flat. Theres nothing in scripts or history that suggests that everyone thought the earth was actually flat that's just something k-12 schools said because they got lazy. People did find ways to prove that the earth was round and it was more than 1 person, there were several. Just something interesting I thought you should know. 

[ravensnation5220]

So I couldn't help but notice that the patriots have no list of prospects that they met with on nfl.com. thought that was kind of odd. I 

[Jonah DeVito]

3 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

@BOLDnPurPnBlacK I see what your saying and I do like cam Robinson because at worst he can still be an average gaurd. I just never like talking about ceilings. I don't like projecting what a guy can become because that's how you get yourself in trouble and the player ends up being a bust.

Fyi nobody ever truly believed the earth was flat. Theres nothing in scripts or history that suggests that everyone thought the earth was actually flat that's just something k-12 schools said because they got lazy. People did find ways to prove that the earth was round and it was more than 1 person, there were several. Just something interesting I thought you should know. 

This is true. 99% of ancient Roman and Greek scholars knew the Earth was round. Although some people seem to still think it's flat today lol. 

[ravensnation5220]

26 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

This is true. 99% of ancient Roman and Greek scholars knew the Earth was round. Although some people seem to still think it's flat today lol. 

Lol kyrie Irving cough cough.....

[ravensnation5220]

Is anyone willing to make a poll for who we pick at 16 or should I just make one?

[RavensDieHard21]

38 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Is anyone willing to make a poll for who we pick at 16 or should I just make one?

Who we think we will draft or who we want? Either way, make it. 

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Who we think we will draft or who we want? Either way, make it. 

I'm gonna make it a prediction. We already talk about who everyone likes enough. With a month left I want to see how good we are at predicting our ravens.

Although i could just make it a 2 part question, one for who we think and one for we want them to pick

Also what happens if I make it a "multiple choice" type question. That kinda confuses me

[ravensnation5220]

Of course I'll try and make it so that way I leave players with an unrealistic chance of being there off the list. I'm torn on whether or not to leave oj Howard off the list. I really don't think he'll be available 

[raven94]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Of course I'll try and make it so that way I leave players with an unrealistic chance of being there off the list. I'm torn on whether or not to leave oj Howard off the list. I really don't think he'll be available 

Would you take him?

[ravensnation5220]

10 minutes ago, raven94 said:

Would you take him?

Yes I would. No doubt. 

[ravensnation5220]

There are way too many options lol. I feel like I could put 20 players on this list and still have guys missing

[raven94]

6 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Yes I would. No doubt. 

 

4 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

There are way too many options lol. I feel like I could put 20 players on this list and still have guys missing

I agree. I would take him despite our massive pool of TE's.

 

Yes there are a lot if options that you could put down. Don't worry too much about it. I've got the same issue

[ravensnation5220]

Just now, raven94 said:

 

I agree. I would take him despite our massive pool of TE's.

 

Yes there are a lot if options that you could put down. Don't worry too much about it. I've got the same issue

Well it limits me to 20 options anyways. What does the multiple choice box mean? Cause technically it is a multiple choice question lol

[ravensnation5220]

I need to know what the "multiple choice question" checkbox is there for before I submit this poll. Fyi Malik McDowell is not included. Couldn't fit him in I guess he could be the "Other" option though

[RobertLRenfroJR@Gmail.com]

On 1/1/2017 at 10:03 AM, ravensnation5220 said:

Charlie Campbell from Walter football had us picking adoree jackson. Which, personally I'm happy with. The problem with it wasn't the pick. It was who was still available. Mike Williams went one pick later....lol. while Tim Williams went 30th (Maybe he thinks character concerns idk)

My personal choice would be Jabril Peppers.  With two small strings attached.   In the 2nd round take the CB Sydney Pope from Washington who was a top ten pick before tearing his achilles or take Teez Tabor.  I know he ran a 4.77 40 but just a couple of years ago Jarvis Landry ran the same 40, he plays me faster. Yabor is the best corner in the SEC which makes him the best corner in the country on tape.  The tape doesn't lie.  Vontaze Burfict fell from a hugh 1st rounder the top ilb in the draft, out of the draft over a poor 40 time.  He's gone to mutliple pro bowls for the Bengals.   Now the speed.  I want is to sign one more player.  Justin Gilbert the 8th overall pick in 2014 by the Browns.  He is 6'1" 210lbs and runs a 4.35 40.   And can be had for the league veteran minimum.  You put him with real coaching on a real team like the Ravens, he can have a career better than Revis.  And his first couple of years you'll get him for pennies.  Gilbert,Smith, Carr, Richardson and Weddle.  You have you have a secondary better than either SuperBowl Team had last year.  Then you can draft for the right side of the line and a couple of linebackers late.  The WRs are better and deeper next year.   There are only 4 good backs in the draft this year who are 3 down in December backs.  The first 3 WRs aren't a Julio Jones or an AJ Green.  You're more likely to get those guys next year.   And there are pass rushers from the edge every year.   It usually takes drafting about 4 to get one starter.   So build your defense and your O line this year, grab a couple of vet WRs late,maybe a pass rusher late in the cuts. Make sure you get your corners and safeties in this draft.  And beef up the O Line.  It needs 3 starters.   Likely 1-2 will be late vet cuts with talent to develop under them.But for God's sake don't just leave a young talent like Justin Gilbert sitting home when you can get him for the minimum.  Cleveland screws everybody up but Gordon who was already screwed up.

[RobertLRenfroJR@Gmail.com]

12 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

@BOLDnPurPnBlacK I see what your saying and I do like cam Robinson because at worst he can still be an average gaurd. I just never like talking about ceilings. I don't like projecting what a guy can become because that's how you get yourself in trouble and the player ends up being a bust.

Fyi nobody ever truly believed the earth was flat. Theres nothing in scripts or history that suggests that everyone thought the earth was actually flat that's just something k-12 schools said because they got lazy. People did find ways to prove that the earth was round and it was more than 1 person, there were several. Just something interesting I thought you should know. 

I think this is a Twilight Zone year for drafting.   It's backwards.  I like Jabril Peppers in the 1st round, and in rd 2-3 The corners Sydney Pope from Washington who tore his achillies tendon and Teez Tabor who ran a 4.77 40.  Which is what Jarvis Landry ran.  Tabor plays faster.  He covers the number 1 WRs in the SEC so in college football and shuts them down.  His tape is the best tin college football.   Okay but we need some speed at corner this year.  No problem.   the 6' 200lb 4,3 40yd dash running Justin Gilbert who was drafted 8th overall by the 2014 Browns who drafted Mandiel were the height of dysfunction.  Gilbert never stood a chance. He made a great scapegoat until the ownerfired everyone and started over.  Which he does almost every year.  Gilbert can be had for the league minimum and would welcome the chance to play with theprofosionals and in the structure of a real team like the Ravens who develop players better than anyone. He is too young and has too much talent just to give up on.   On a vetmin contract he is the ultimate low risk, high reward.   Then you draft your linemen, your edge rushers.  It usually takes about 4 drafted players to get one starting pass rusher.  pick up vet cuts for the line and WR maybe a vet rusher while you're developing the rookies.  Then draft normal next year.  Bigs and rushers early, everything else later.   Ozzie has to see the best players in this draft aren't linemen.  Corner and safeties in the first 3-4 rounds plus Gilbert.  You can develop the best. most versatile secondary the NFL has ever seen.  Plus if you win the SB this year renting castoff players, we may end up winning 4 Superbowls with Flacco and we'll have the secondary in place to do it for a decade.  Big, fast, long, hard hitting, ball hawking.   Ed Reed will be proud.   But it's how you draft plus the key signing of Gilbert for nothing.

[ravensnation5220]

@RobertLRenfroJR@Gmail.com I see what your saying about tabor. I do like his tape but consider this. If you do take tabor and be struggles then your screwed. At 4.77 speed the guy can even play special teams. I still think his 40 time will make him be overlooked though and agree with you on that. 

It's Sydney Jones not pope lol. Idk why you keep saying that.

And Justin Gilbert is a bust. The CB needy Steelers cut him just as quick as they signed him. I don't see why we even consider bringing him in. It's a waste of a roster spot. Maybe for try outs but i doubt we'll even do that when 2 other teams in our division don't even want him. 

Edited March 31 by ravensnation5220

[Maryland]

So I'm noticing that RT is a popular selection with our #16 overall pick, whether it's ESPN, Walterfootball, or some other mock draft pundit projecting Cam Robinson, Bolles, or Ramczyk.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a lazy projection? Ever since we drafted Alex Lewis, I always saw him as the projected RT of the future, considering we knew even last draft that Wagner was an inevitable FA loss. It seemed more like Lewis played LG out of necessity due to the dearth of Guard talent on this team. For reference, Lewis played OT in college, he played OT in training camp (and LG, of course), and he even played some OT out of necessity when Stanley was out. Plus his height-related struggles with getting leverage in the ground game always made him a less-appealing guard prospect in my eyes. So, while I do see where Alex Lewis could play LG in the future, it seems like drafting a LG (and obviously a C) should be a higher priority than drafting a RT, since that should be Lewis's ideal position. 

Thoughts? 

Also, I am pretty out of the loop with the draft and this forum due to being busy lately, but I have been lurking a bit and catching up when I can. Hi everyone. 

Edited March 31 by Maryland

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

So I'm noticing that RT is a popular selection with our #16 overall pick, whether it's ESPN, Walterfootball, or some other mock draft pundit projecting Cam Robinson, Bolles, or Ramczyk.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a lazy projection? Ever since we drafted Alex Lewis, I always saw him as the projected RT of the future, considering we knew even last draft that Wagner was an inevitable FA loss. It seemed more like Lewis played LG out of necessity due to the dearth of Guard talent on this team. For reference, Lewis played OT in college, he played OT in training camp (and LG, of course), and he even played some OT out of necessity when Stanley was out. Plus his height-related struggles with getting leverage in the ground game always made him a less-appealing guard prospect in my eyes. So, while I do see where Alex Lewis could play LG in the future, it seems like drafting a LG (and obviously a C) should be a higher priority than drafting a RT, since that should be Lewis's ideal position. 

Thoughts? 

Also, I am pretty out of the loop with the draft and this forum due to being busy lately, but I have been lurking a bit and catching up when I can. Hi everyone. 

I don't think it's lazy projection, just plain wrong. There isn't a lineman this year who's going to be the best player at #16. 

[mc_red23]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

I don't think it's lazy projection, just plain wrong. There isn't a lineman this year who's going to be the best player at #16. 

Especially when some of those linemen are only projected to be good at guard rather than at tackle.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

So Chad Reuter just did a 5 round mock on NFL.com and its awful for us. (IMO at least).

Dont think i like or understand a single pick made for us.

RD 1 - John Ross

But Malik Hooker and Reuben Foster were still on the board.

RD 2- Cordrea Tankersly

Prob my least favorite of the "2nd tier" CB's. Has us taking him, which i find to be a reach, with guys like Feeney, Tim Williams, Malik McDowell, Lawson, Marlon Humphrey, Budda Baker, and Sidney Jones still on the baord.

RD 3 (1) - Ethan Pocic

Not only do i think Elflein is the better player, but also a much better fit for what we want to do with our OL. He doesnt have Elflein picked at all in the first 5 rounds. Plus, guys like Godwin, Des King, Dorian Johnson, Duke Riley, Eluemunor, Kazee, and Kupp all still on the board.

RD 3 (2) - Ryan Anderson

Actually dont hate this... though id like it even more if we had hit on a pass rush specialist somewhere else. The two could platoon one side. I see him becoming a legit 3 down player with enough pass rush ability to keep on the field, and eventual replacement for Suggs, but i dont see him being a big threat off the edge right away.

Other guys still on the board that go off before our next pick - Witherspoon, Adam Shaheen, Marcus Williams

RD 4 - Jamaal Williams, RB

Dont like this pick much at all. Several RBs i like just as much if not more later. Players we miss out on: Marcus Maye, Corn Elder, Treston Decoud, Howard Wilson, Joe WIlliams, Marlon Mack, DJ Jones, Bisnowaty, Asiata, 

RD 5 - Freddie Stevenson, FB

I get we lost Juice... but going RB/FB rounds 4-5 makes no sense to me at all. We have a cpl guys that can fill the FB void, and Woodhead gives us a legit 3rd down back that can protect before slipping out of the backfield. Dont view RB as much of a need or even want unless its a potential star at a value spot (Fournette, Cook/McCaffery in the 2nd) or a homerun hitter (Cohen late). 

FB i see no reason to draft. Not many teams use a FB anymore, so i cant see much competition to draft one... should have your pick of the litter in UDFA and should have a leg up in getting them to sign with us, as we offer a great opportunity for them then almost any other team.

And Dalvin Tomlinson was picked after this.... and even though we signed BWill, thats just too good of value to pass up at this point imo. Not to mention Elflein was still on the board... 

Edited March 31 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Edgar]

I've seen Curtis Samuel mocked in round two a lot. (Ravens)

[ravensnation5220]

@BOLDnPurPnBlacK that's just stupid and terrible. Especially when we can walk away with either hooker/foster and humphrey/McDowell. That would have me ecstatic but of course he has to ruin everything that could go right lol

[RaineV1]

Jared Dubin over on CBS has just did a mock a couple hours ago. He has the Ravens taking Mike Williams, and I'd be thrilled with that.

[JoeyFlex5]

That is the worst mock I've ever seen. Hooker and foster on board at 16 and still not going to us, how did they fall that far anyway? Tank, a 3rd round at best talent, over some obvious upgrades upgrades at major needs with first round talents that fell. Smh

[Edgar]

4 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So Chad Reuter just did a 5 round mock on NFL.com and its awful for us. (IMO at least).

Dont think i like or understand a single pick made for us.

RD 1 - John Ross

But Malik Hooker and Reuben Foster were still on the board.

RD 2- Cordrea Tankersly

Prob my least favorite of the "2nd tier" CB's. Has us taking him, which i find to be a reach, with guys like Feeney, Tim Williams, Malik McDowell, Lawson, Marlon Humphrey, Budda Baker, and Sidney Jones still on the baord.

RD 3 (1) - Ethan Pocic

Not only do i think Elflein is the better player, but also a much better fit for what we want to do with our OL. He doesnt have Elflein picked at all in the first 5 rounds. Plus, guys like Godwin, Des King, Dorian Johnson, Duke Riley, Eluemunor, Kazee, and Kupp all still on the board.

RD 3 (2) - Ryan Anderson

Actually dont hate this... though id like it even more if we had hit on a pass rush specialist somewhere else. The two could platoon one side. I see him becoming a legit 3 down player with enough pass rush ability to keep on the field, and eventual replacement for Suggs, but i dont see him being a big threat off the edge right away.

Other guys still on the board that go off before our next pick - Witherspoon, Adam Shaheen, Marcus Williams

RD 4 - Jamaal Williams, RB

Dont like this pick much at all. Several RBs i like just as much if not more later. Players we miss out on: Marcus Maye, Corn Elder, Treston Decoud, Howard Wilson, Joe WIlliams, Marlon Mack, DJ Jones, Bisnowaty, Asiata, 

RD 5 - Freddie Stevenson, FB

I get we lost Juice... but going RB/FB rounds 4-5 makes no sense to me at all. We have a cpl guys that can fill the FB void, and Woodhead gives us a legit 3rd down back that can protect before slipping out of the backfield. Dont view RB as much of a need or even want unless its a potential star at a value spot (Fournette, Cook/McCaffery in the 2nd) or a homerun hitter (Cohen late). 

FB i see no reason to draft. Not many teams use a FB anymore, so i cant see much competition to draft one... should have your pick of the litter in UDFA and should have a leg up in getting them to sign with us, as we offer a great opportunity for them then almost any other team.

And Dalvin Tomlinson was picked after this.... and even though we signed BWill, thats just too good of value to pass up at this point imo. Not to mention Elflein was still on the board... 

Horrible mock. I hope he's on point with the players he projects to be available at our selection.

1) Hooker

2) Feeney/Williams

3) Godwin

Hard to believe a guy would be on point about that.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That is the worst mock I've ever seen. Hooker and foster on board at 16 and still not going to us, how did they fall that far anyway? Tank, a 3rd round at best talent, over some obvious upgrades upgrades at major needs with first round talents that fell. Smh

Hooker went one pick after us to Wash... no real reason given.

Foster fell bc of the "character concerns," but then mentions in the comments when he mocked Foster that "he could very well go earlier to the Saints, Colts, Ravens, etc... but here i have him free fall..."

Ok, so you recognize that theres a bunch of teams that would love him... yet drop him anyways? especially us with our love for all things Bama.... especially Bama LB's. 

I feel like he just forgot certain players and then was like "oh yea, hes gotta go in the 1st. ill just slot him here then." Not having Elflein selected at all through round 5 is stupid.

Having us pass on Tim Williams in the 2nd is stupid, especially when he doesnt have us grabbing a pass rusher anywhere else. According to his mock we couldve gone Foster/Williams 1-2 punch... Thats what Ozzie wet dreams are made of.

[BmoreBird22]

On 3/28/2017 at 11:30 PM, raven94 said:

Ok, I see your point. I'm on board with your perspective. However that doesn't change anything for me. My idea of a guy worth a first round pick is someone who has shown steady development over their college career, someone with traits, skills, or physical abilities that project well to the next level, someone with scheme versatility, someone with good intangibles, someone who can start day 1 and be an upgrade over the current player on the roster, and someone who needs very little time to develop. There are a lot of guys in this draft who check out just about every single box for me. So I've handed out a lot of first round grades. Am I an easy grader? Possibly. In the end it doesn't matter because I'm not submitting names for the Ravens to draft on draft night. This is why we have the tier system though

And I'm not calling anyone out for having a ton of first round grades if they do. Again, this is your system, not the one of a scout or the NFL and so you do you. 

However, I just wanted to point out there's a large disconnect between fanbases and the scouts of the NFL. Do I see a lot of players who could potentially start day one? Oh yeah, for sure. Do I think they'll all be instant impact makers? No, not at all. And that's the difference for me.