Mock Drafts from the Media

[rossihunter2]

20 minutes ago, terps85 said:

 

Rewatched and agree with you guys.  I was seeing what I wanted to on the first watch.  Idiot move.

it's fair enough - that's why this forum's great because you can challenge people's initial impressions of prospects - and sometimes it confirms those pre-existing impressions and sometimes it tears them down

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, jboy19 said:

I'd be between Wilson (CB, Florida) and Bolles (OL, Utah)

Bolles wouldn't be too bad, but Wilson is Def pegged as second round at this point

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

This is what I've seen too. 

He can run routes compared to most of the elite speed guys we've seen recently like DHB for example. 

But I think some are over selling his ability there a bit. He still relies on his speed mostly which takes time to get open, as he usually has to get up to speed to separate. 

And he often needs separation to catch the ball bc he doesn't hands catch that well or absorb/fight through contact all that well. 

 

That's to me the element we're missing right now. A guy that can separate immediately with his route running or a guy that doesn't necessarily have to be open to make the catch. 

Mike Williams has become my favorite WR by a distance. The amount of catches he's made with elite prospects draped on him or while getting absolutely destroyed by a big hit....

Obviously depends how the board falls but he's the only WR I'd feel really comfortable taking at 16.... and I don't think there's any chance he's available. 

++++ you said what I've been thinking basically lol

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, terps85 said:

 

Rewatched and agree with you guys.  I was seeing what I wanted to on the first watch.  Idiot move.

Lol yeah, cam got wrecked that game even with the playbook dedicated to making his job easy. 

Barnett really could be better than Garrett because he is just so damn good, ignore the combine numbers, Barnett imo is the best edge defender in the class, at least right now

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Bolles wouldn't be too bad, but Wilson is Def pegged as second round at this point

No, not really. I see several outlets that have him in the first still and the opinions of media analysts is generally far different than that of NFL teams.

[Jacquouille]

8 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Bolles wouldn't be too bad, but Wilson is Def pegged as second round at this point

Did I miss something?

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

Did I miss something?

You did, and so did I.

[BmoreBird22]

Dabo Swinney Mike Williams Rule- if he's in single coverage, he's open. If he's doubled, they better be damn close.

[Jacquouille]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Dabo Swinney Mike Williams Rule- if he's in single coverage, he's open. If he's doubled, they better be damn close.

If he's triple covered, there's a good chance we'll get a DPI.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

36 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No, not really. I see several outlets that have him in the first still and the opinions of media analysts is generally far different than that of NFL teams.

I think what he's seen and so have I is that even a month ago he was pretty much in the convo for everyone as one of the top 3-5 CBs and regularly mocked Mid 1st to the 20's. 

Now a good majority of them don't have him close to the 1st and have him in a group anywhere from the 8th-15th CB. 

Ive seen him now going as late as the 3rd. 

And while the media don't necessarily share the views of FO's and scouts... historically they've had a better idea of what actual boards look like the closer the draft gets as they've had the combine and pro days to hang around and talk to scouts about these guys.... as opposed to earlier on where they're mainly relying on their own evaluations watching tape and assuming. 

 

Some might still have him 1st but there's been almost a consensus big drop for Wilson among media mocks. And I think it's fair to assume that major drop is based on more reliable intel than the original projections that had him as a consensus 1st. 

[Italian Raven]

7 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Bolles wouldn't be too bad, but Wilson is Def pegged as second round at this point

And I don't get why honestly. Wilson is one of the most complete CBs in the class. Great patience and recovery make up for the lack of top end speed. He's a top 3 CB imo and would definitely take him with a top 20 pick. I don't see any reason for him falling off the first round. 

[raven94]

2 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

And I don't get why honestly. Wilson is one of the most complete CBs in the class. Great patience and recovery make up for the lack of top end speed. He's a top 3 CB imo and would definitely take him with a top 20 pick. I don't see any reason for him falling off the first round. 

Hey, if he does fall out of the first round I'm all for picking him up. More for the Ravens right

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No, not really. I see several outlets that have him in the first still and the opinions of media analysts is generally far different than that of NFL teams.

We will see. I could almost guarantee we will see Lattimore, Conley, Humphrey and White go before he does. His combine wasn't terrible but he isn't as smooth as the other top CBs including Awuzie and Moreau.

[ALI624]

In the latest Mel Kiper mock draft he has us taking Ryan Ramczyk with Barnett, Davis and Robinson still on the board. I absolutely disagree with this. Though I am not a fan of Robinson either.

[jboy19]

59 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

In the latest Mel Kiper mock draft he has us taking Ryan Ramczyk with Barnett, Davis and Robinson still on the board. I absolutely disagree with this. Though I am not a fan of Robinson either.

I could live with Ramczyk over Robinson. But leaving Barnett and Davis on the board would make me sad. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

We will see. I could almost guarantee we will see Lattimore, Conley, Humphrey and White go before he does. His combine wasn't terrible but he isn't as smooth as the other top CBs including Awuzie and Moreau.

Combine will make up less than 10% of his grade 

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

We will see. I could almost guarantee we will see Lattimore, Conley, Humphrey and White go before he does. His combine wasn't terrible but he isn't as smooth as the other top CBs including Awuzie and Moreau.

I take Wilson before any of the above. Lattimore is the only one that has shown more on the field and his injury history is the most worrying of the entire class (yes, more than Lawson's)

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

We will see. I could almost guarantee we will see Lattimore, Conley, Humphrey and White go before he does. His combine wasn't terrible but he isn't as smooth as the other top CBs including Awuzie and Moreau.

I'm not sure - either way, unless there's a ridiculous run on corners then I think one of Wilson, Conley, white, Jackson, Moreau, awuzie could be in range of our 2nd round pick

[January J]

If there's a run on corners- we'll end up with a dominant pass rusher- if theres a run on pass rushers and 2 qbs- we'll end up with a top corner. If there's a strong mixture of both we'll end up with either mike Williams or Corey Davis. We're coming away with a great PROSPECT regardless. Let's just hope we get the right guy -they are utilized properly- and they become something special. We usually nail rounds 3-5 ..this year we need to nail 1 and 2...Ofcourse stars are found throughout the entire draft so I'll take them wherever they come from. Udfas too. Weve got a strong foundation to build on. This next level is key to getting back to winning the north year after year.

[Bruce_Almty]

I would not be at all disappointed if we drafted Sidney Jones, Achilles and all, with our 2nd round pick. 

[Jacquouille]

Here's my bold statement of the week: the 2018 RB draft class will be better than this year's.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 hours ago, ALI624 said:

In the latest Mel Kiper mock draft he has us taking Ryan Ramczyk with Barnett, Davis and Robinson still on the board. I absolutely disagree with this. Though I am not a fan of Robinson either.

He also said this morning on the radio that Barnett wouldnt be great value for the Eagles at 14 (i live in philly market) and will probably go in the 20's somewhere, that Cook is prob a 2nd round talent.... that White will 100% be the 2nd CB off the board, Conley is the 3rd and that Reddick is a near sure fire Top 10 pick (starting to feel this isnt as ridiculous as some of the others).

I just feel like the media guys are more all over the place on prospects than in other years. Theres always differing of a opinion... but its usually not as drastic as this. 

Barnett in the 20's? How do u look at him and see late 1st?

[raven94]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

He also said this morning on the radio that Barnett wouldnt be great value for the Eagles at 14 (i live in philly market) and will probably go in the 20's somewhere, that Cook is prob a 2nd round talent.... that White will 100% be the 2nd CB off the board, Conley is the 3rd and that Reddick is a near sure fire Top 10 pick (starting to feel this isnt as ridiculous as some of the others).

I just feel like the media guys are more all over the place on prospects than in other years. Theres always differing of a opinion... but its usually not as drastic as this. 

Barnett in the 20's? How do u look at him and see late 1st?

It's simple. People putting too much stock into the combine. Let's be real, if all you do is watch his combine highlights then you're not impressed. But if you actually do your job, which alot of these analysts don't I feel like, and watch the tape then you see a top 10 guy. Really that's the only way you see someone who goes in the late 20's

[rossihunter2]

30 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

He also said this morning on the radio that Barnett wouldnt be great value for the Eagles at 14 (i live in philly market) and will probably go in the 20's somewhere, that Cook is prob a 2nd round talent.... that White will 100% be the 2nd CB off the board, Conley is the 3rd and that Reddick is a near sure fire Top 10 pick (starting to feel this isnt as ridiculous as some of the others).

I just feel like the media guys are more all over the place on prospects than in other years. Theres always differing of a opinion... but its usually not as drastic as this. 

Barnett in the 20's? How do u look at him and see late 1st?

kiper's a fool, bucky's a fool, casserley's lates mock was stupid, jeremiah's too - at least jeremiah talks well about prospects even if he then ranks them in a funky order but kiper and bucky have no idea what they're doing

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

kiper's a fool, bucky's a fool, casserley's lates mock was stupid, jeremiah's too - at least jeremiah talks well about prospects even if he then ranks them in a funky order but kiper and bucky have no idea what they're doing

Kiper at least used to seem like he had some reliable intel into our FO's draft board. 

Lately he's been clueless though. 

Actually in fairness I think last year he was one of the first ppl that had us taking Stanley over Tunsil. Could be wrong on that though. 

But that Barnett comment just made him lose all credibility to me. He's closer to being a real consideration for the 1st overall pick than he is realistically falling to 20. 

If he's there at 16 our pick is in. Suggs falling to us v2.0. 

[rossihunter2]

52 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Actually in fairness I think last year he was one of the first ppl that had us taking Stanley over Tunsil. Could be wrong on that though.

wasn't that just the first mock where none of the trades for the first two picks had happened yet - i seem to remember him having tunsil going ahead of us

[omar586]

7 hours ago, Bruce_Almty said:

I would not be at all disappointed if we drafted Sidney Jones, Achilles and all, with our 2nd round pick. 

no way we draft him in the 1st 4 rounds, he might not be the same, u want a contributor with your high picks.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

 

22 minutes ago, omar586 said:

no way we draft him in the 1st 4 rounds, he might not be the same, u want a contributor with your high picks.

He came out and said that his doc said he'll play in 2017. 

[RavensDieHard21]

17 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Did I miss something?

Yes, we will revisit this after the draft where I will likely say I told ya so. Everyone is still stuck on Wilson being a top CB. I no longer see that post combine. He is a good CB but he maybe the 6th to 8th best overall CB. 

If teams are really all in for CBs then I could see him going mid to late 20s. If not, he will go early in the second round for a team that wants to bolster the secondary. 

Wilson had better deep speed than Tabor, but that still wasn't too convincing. He looked semi-stiff/ clunky changing direction and flipping his hips. Pair that with his borderline poor tackling and a deep class, there is more potential to be had with guys like Humphrey, Awuzie,  Moreau, Jones, Conley, White and Lattimore. 

[RavensDieHard21]

10 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I'm not sure - either way, unless there's a ridiculous run on corners then I think one of Wilson, Conley, white, Jackson, Moreau, awuzie could be in range of our 2nd round pick

Right now, the two groups that the league as a whole needs better talent at are offensive lineman and corners. With the talent in this year's class, I could see a lot of teams, especially before our second pick, taking a CB. 

As I see it, here is a list of worthy corners that could be taken in the first or second: 

Lattimore, Humphrey, Jones, Conley, White, Awuzie, Wilson, Tabor, Lewis, Tankersley and Jackson. 11 really good corners. 

Now let's think who really needs one. Titans will have two shots at one. Jets will have two chances to replace Revis. Panthers still need a proven CB. Saints need CB and will have three shots at taking too guys early. AZ drafts twice and needs a piece across from Peterson. Browns have two legit shots too. Eagles need a legit corner....The list could go on and on. I won't be surprised if the position is cleaned out by pick 50.