Mock Drafts from the Media

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I don't get the hate for Ross though🤔 I would prefer a big receiver like Williams or Davis, but they likely are not there. 

Ross will be a likely be a TY Hilton / Tyreek Hill like talent. The guy is shifty as it gets and his routes are crisp. He killed it at UW and would have been even better if his QB was better. A lot of his huge plays he had to slow down for and wait for the ball.

Every year Flacco struggles when his receivers cannot gain separation quickly and the longer he holds onto that ball, the more likely a bad play is bound to happen. Ross is so quick off the line and runs such good routes that I think only elite shifty corners will have the chance to contain him. The big physical corners will get toasted. Just like what happened with Sherman vs TY Hilton. 

So true. That's why I don't get the gate for him either. Hill was a speed demon and he really opened up Kcs offense. Plus Perriman is supposed to be this jump ball type of player like he was at ucf

[Jacquouille]

On 19/03/2017 at 10:37 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

I watch a lot of Clemson, but I'm no offensive line specialist.

He's big, but not overly strong, and he's not very agile. He doesn't move well in space and quicker tackles will take advantage of his plodding feet. 

I think he's got an outside chance to be a backup, but not someone I'd want starting more than here or there as needed.

I would second that, or at least the part about his mobility. He absolutely doesn't move.

[RavensDieHard21]

36 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

So true. That's why I don't get the gate for him either. Hill was a speed demon and he really opened up Kcs offense. Plus Perriman is supposed to be this jump ball type of player like he was at ucf

I mean Ross isn't my first pick, but if we get him I'll still be happy with the potential we will have if Perriman comes along and Flacco actually has practices with these guys to gain chemistry. 

There would be so much speed on the field that we would have no excuse to not have a potent passing game unless out line just stinks that bad, but u have faith it will be just fine. 

[January J]

I think some ppl are reluctant to want Ross at 16  BC we already have 3 guys who can stretch the feild. However Ross is so shifty and is more than just a 1 trick pony. And it never hurts to have even more speed. Who's to say we cant have 4 burners? That would create mismatches all over the feild and help pad joes stats with some much needed YAC-which our receivers never seem to get.

However if Williams or Davis is there you have to take them.  For some reason I've been seeing Williams drop down in a lot of the medias mocks lately and I'm not sure why. I've seen him fall as low as 30! He seems like the exact fit of what we need in a wideout- but i get the feeling Corey Davis could be the next AJ Green. Joe finally needs a true #1 to compete with the other studs in the North. I've got full faith in Perriman- but a contingency plan and potential dynamic duo never hurts. Having 2 stud Wrs along with Wallace would be huge.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I don't get the hate for Ross though🤔 I would prefer a big receiver like Williams or Davis, but they likely are not there. 

Ross will be a likely be a TY Hilton / Tyreek Hill like talent. The guy is shifty as it gets and his routes are crisp. He killed it at UW and would have been even better if his QB was better. A lot of his huge plays he had to slow down for and wait for the ball.

Every year Flacco struggles when his receivers cannot gain separation quickly and the longer he holds onto that ball, the more likely a bad play is bound to happen. Ross is so quick off the line and runs such good routes that I think only elite shifty corners will have the chance to contain him. The big physical corners will get toasted. Just like what happened with Sherman vs TY Hilton. 

For me, and i think for others it may be the same.... its not necessarily an overall dislike for Ross as a prospect -- but with the other players that are likely to be available at the same spot, Ross feels a bit like forcing for need.

Wouldnt hate having him and he may very well turn out to be a good player; just if certain other players are on the board and we take Ross ill feel like we reached for need.

Again, i know hes more than just a speed guy, but i think the speed has dazzled some. He can run routes well (for a guy that fast), but hes not necessarily a technician or what youd call a route runner.

Hes got nice hands, but hes not the vice grip, clutch catch kinda guy.

He can burn you deep, but i dont see him track the ball over his shoulder particularly well.

Also dont see him often enough come back, go up and fight for the ball if the defenders in position or the balls underthrown (we flamed Torrey for this).

And, he can run over the middle, but hes not a catch in traffic, absorb the hit kinda guy.

 

He does a number of things well, especially as compared to what we normally think of as "speed guys." Theyre typically one trick ponies, where hes not.

But, i think if you take away the elite, fastest ever 40 speed... the other traits dont say top 15 pick. As a WR hes prob a late 1st, 2nd round guy but the elite speed will make someone take him higher. But speed can fade. Speed can be lost. I dont like investing big in speed if there isnt something else you can really count on with the guy. 

Not to mention, i dont think hes particularly good in space for a guy with that speed.

 

I like him. And depending on who's there at 16 I could either hate it, be "ehh" about it, or like it. But, the Top 15 would have to go really bad for us for me to love taking Ross. For the risk that a guy who's main weapon is speed entails, i think there are similar weapons you can grab in later rounds. Maybe not quite the full package or the upside, but also dont cost the huge investment. 

 

 

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

He can burn you deep, but i dont see him track the ball over his shoulder particularly well.

Also dont see him often enough come back, go up and fight for the ball if the defenders in position or the balls underthrown (we flamed Torrey for this).

I don't see that at all. I think part of the reason you never see him catch the ball over his shoulder is because he was constantly underthrown. Nearly ever...single.....time. he did a fantastic job at tracking the ball down field and coming back to the football time and time again. That's what his tape showed. (Watch the cal tape) He won't go up and out muscle you for the ball, that's not his strength but that doesnt mean he wont try to figbt for it. That's more like Perriman. What he does is create a crazy amount of separation that isn't always seen on tape because his qb does him no service. I honestly think his quickness and route running are vastly underrated. 

[Ravenskid52752]

Jamison Hensley‏ @jamisonhensley

 

Ravens have a pre-draft visit set up with Washington WR John Ross, according to the NFL Network. 

[juanman7]

I am warming up to the idea of john ross for us at 16. if he is healthy he is the fastest player in the nfl. breshad already has size so he could be that possession guy as well as go deep. Ross is a great route runner, and with him, wallace, and perriman on the field someone will get open quick. Plus imagine we get a guy like Boldin in free agency after the draft whose sole purpose is to grab the short to intermediate routes, along with the tight ends, defenses won't know who to cover! Three of the fastest guys in the nfl would be crazy. Draft some o-line men later in the draft and maybe an explosive running back and we could have a lethal offense. If the running game works next season and the other things happen too, the play action would be insane. 

Edited March 21 by juanman7

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, juanman7 said:

I am warming up to the idea of john ross for us at 16. if he is healthy he is the fastest player in the nfl. breshad already has size so he could be that possession guy as well as go deep. Ross is a great route runner, and with him, wallace, and perriman on the field someone will get open quick. Plus imagine we get a guy like Boldin in free agency after the draft whose sole purpose is to grab the short to intermediate routes, along with the tight ends, defenses won't know who to cover! Three of the fastest guys in the nfl would be crazy. Draft some o-line men later in the draft and maybe an explosive running back and we could have a lethal offense. If the running game works next season and the other things happen too, the play action would be insane. 

This is what I've been saying for a while now regarding to Ross. 

A good running back nobody is talking about is Marlon Mack from usf

[rossihunter2]

10 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

I always wonder who seems to be more like AJ green.... Corey Davis? Or Mike Williams?

Corey Davis 100% - the way he catches the ball, runs routes and even his body type a little bit reminds me of aj green whereas mike Williams is more of a body catcher who outleverages guys outside the numbers - both are great prospects but I'd say Corey Davis is a closer comp for green in that sense

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, January J said:

I think some ppl are reluctant to want Ross at 16  BC we already have 3 guys who can stretch the feild. However Ross is so shifty and is more than just a 1 trick pony. And it never hurts to have even more speed. Who's to say we cant have 4 burners? That would create mismatches all over the feild and help pad joes stats with some much needed YAC-which our receivers never seem to get.

However if Williams or Davis is there you have to take them.  For some reason I've been seeing Williams drop down in a lot of the medias mocks lately and I'm not sure why. I've seen him fall as low as 30! He seems like the exact fit of what we need in a wideout- but i get the feeling Corey Davis could be the next AJ Green. Joe finally needs a true #1 to compete with the other studs in the North. I've got full faith in Perriman- but a contingency plan and potential dynamic duo never hurts. Having 2 stud Wrs along with Wallace would be huge.

It's just that I've had enough with 4.2 guys who can screw up their ACL anytime...

[rossihunter2]

4 hours ago, terps85 said:

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/cam-robinson-vs-texas-am-2016/ Watch this game and I am sure your guys' opinions will change.  Note who he is going against.

I've watched this game 2/3 times and it hasn't changed my opinion at all for two reasons:

1) Garrett is not a polished rusher and doesn't know how to set up a tackle - he presented no threat to the inside so cam didn't have to defend and could high tail it to the outside to get hands on Garrett - Garrett is so used to just out-athleting tackles and overpowering them that he doesn't have an array of moves to use against cam who gets hands on and drops his hips

2) Garrett went into that game with a niggly injury and was not at full health

if you want to see cam deal with unpredictable and more polished rushers watch him get eviscerated by derek Barnett 

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

It's just that I've had enough with 4.2 guys who can screw up their ACL anytime...

Exactly... and I don't hold that against perriman at all but given that part of signing Brandon Carr was about durability I have to feel nervous about bringing in a guy who has already had major injuries

and guys can argue that he's more than a speedy guy and that might be right - but he can't make up for being shorter than the other top receivers in the draft - you can't train natural speed or body type and we have speed on this team and we don't have big bodies which comes back to that idea of getting a complementary receiver which to me sounds like someone a little different to what we already have on the roster

this isn't me hating on Ross either and I'd be happy for him to go to another team and do well but I don't think it should be with the Ravens because we need something a little different a little more 

[Jacquouille]

15 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Exactly... and I don't hold that against perriman at all but given that part of signing Brandon Carr was about durability I have to feel nervous about bringing in a guy who has already had major injuries

and guys can argue that he's more than a speedy guy and that might be right - but he can't make up for being shorter than the other top receivers in the draft - you can't train natural speed or body type and we have speed on this team and we don't have big bodies which comes back to that idea of getting a complementary receiver which to me sounds like someone a little different to what we already have on the roster

this isn't me hating on Ross either and I'd be happy for him to go to another team and do well but I don't think it should be with the Ravens because we need something a little different a little more 

I mean... I'd probably be okay with him if there wasn't this injury history, because he's going to be a good NFL receiver, I just don't know for how long and how often.

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, January J said:

I think some ppl are reluctant to want Ross at 16  BC we already have 3 guys who can stretch the feild. However Ross is so shifty and is more than just a 1 trick pony. And it never hurts to have even more speed. Who's to say we cant have 4 burners? That would create mismatches all over the feild and help pad joes stats with some much needed YAC-which our receivers never seem to get.

However if Williams or Davis is there you have to take them.  For some reason I've been seeing Williams drop down in a lot of the medias mocks lately and I'm not sure why. I've seen him fall as low as 30! He seems like the exact fit of what we need in a wideout- but i get the feeling Corey Davis could be the next AJ Green. Joe finally needs a true #1 to compete with the other studs in the North. I've got full faith in Perriman- but a contingency plan and potential dynamic duo never hurts. Having 2 stud Wrs along with Wallace would be huge.

As I see it I have Williams first then Davis then Ross. I just think Buffalo, Arizona, Tennessee, even Carolina could use extra weapons in their offenses, so it will be hard for Davis and Williams to make it. I like to think worst case possible so I don't get my hopes up😂

[RavensDieHard21]

Hypothetically speaking, the draft starts off like this:

Garrett, Thomas, Adams, Fournette, Mike Williams, Marshon Lattimore, Malik Hooker, Jonathan Allen, Reuben Foster, Corey Davis, Derek Barnett, Deshaun Watson, OJ Howard, Dalvin Cook, Forest Lamp. 

Who do you then take with no trade back options on the table?

Edited March 21 by RavensDieHard21

[ravensnation5220]

23 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Hypothetically speaking, the draft starts off like this:

Garrett, Thomas, Adams, Fournette, Mike Williams, Marshon Lattimore, Malik Hooker, Derek Barnett, Reuben Foster, Corey Davis, Marlon Humphrey, Deshaun Watson, OJ Howard, Dalvin Cook, Forest Lamp. 

Who do you then take with no trade back options on the table?

Lol that's easy. Jonathan allen

[RavensDieHard21]

Lmao cannot believe I forgot him hahaha okay lets revamp this 

[raven94]

2 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Lmao cannot believe I forgot him hahaha okay lets revamp this 

I think this just shows that we'll get someone we really want. This is such a rare draft that's so loaded. We're bound to get someone we really want, at any of DB, OLB, OL, and WR. But I will be honest you had my favorites gone by our pick

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

So true. That's why I don't get the gate for him either. Hill was a speed demon and he really opened up Kcs offense. Plus Perriman is supposed to be this jump ball type of player like he was at ucf

I would just hate the lack of dynamic in our passing game and at the cost of a 16th overall pick.

[ravensnation5220]

26 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would just hate the lack of dynamic in our passing game and at the cost of a 16th overall pick.

Lack of dynamic? Wouldn't he make our passing game more dynamic? I mean we really don't have any slot receiver on our team. Ty Hilton and tyreek hill seem to make their teams passing attacks more dynamic. 

It's not like Ross is the same type of receiver Perriman and Wallace are. They all have speed but they all excel in different ways. 

[jboy19]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Hypothetically speaking, the draft starts off like this:

Garrett, Thomas, Adams, Fournette, Mike Williams, Marshon Lattimore, Malik Hooker, Jonathan Allen, Reuben Foster, Corey Davis, Derek Barnett, Deshaun Watson, OJ Howard, Dalvin Cook, Forest Lamp. 

Who do you then take with no trade back options on the table?

I'd be between Wilson (CB, Florida) and Bolles (OL, Utah)

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Lack of dynamic? Wouldn't he make our passing game more dynamic? I mean we really don't have any slot receiver on our team. Ty Hilton and tyreek hill seem to make their teams passing attacks more dynamic. 

It's not like Ross is the same type of receiver Perriman and Wallace are. They all have speed but they all excel in different ways. 

He's got SOME route running chops, but he's still pretty strictly a burner. Undersized, been injured a lot, not much of a hands catcher. I don't see him as a slot guy just a complementary burner

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Hypothetically speaking, the draft starts off like this:

Garrett, Thomas, Adams, Fournette, Mike Williams, Marshon Lattimore, Malik Hooker, Jonathan Allen, Reuben Foster, Corey Davis, Derek Barnett, Deshaun Watson, OJ Howard, Dalvin Cook, Forest Lamp. 

Who do you then take with no trade back options on the table?

tim williams or cam robinson

[rossihunter2]

11 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Lack of dynamic? Wouldn't he make our passing game more dynamic? I mean we really don't have any slot receiver on our team. Ty Hilton and tyreek hill seem to make their teams passing attacks more dynamic. 

It's not like Ross is the same type of receiver Perriman and Wallace are. They all have speed but they all excel in different ways. 

no you're right he's not... he's undersized, has a worse injury history than breshad perriman which are two things that when combined are pretty scary as a risk and are also completely unfixable - to me he may run a slightly different route tree to wallace and perriman but like both of them his best weapon is his deep speed - otherwise what are we drafting? an undersized, moderately ok route runner with inconsistent catching technique - without his speed he isnt anything special worth a mid-first pickon tape - so his speed should be his most desirable quality for us if we draft him high - but it wont be because we have two speedsters on the roster (currently both scheduled to start)

[terps85]

4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I've watched this game 2/3 times and it hasn't changed my opinion at all for two reasons:

1) Garrett is not a polished rusher and doesn't know how to set up a tackle - he presented no threat to the inside so cam didn't have to defend and could high tail it to the outside to get hands on Garrett - Garrett is so used to just out-athleting tackles and overpowering them that he doesn't have an array of moves to use against cam who gets hands on and drops his hips

2) Garrett went into that game with a niggly injury and was not at full health

if you want to see cam deal with unpredictable and more polished rushers watch him get eviscerated by derek Barnett 

I'm not seeing the evisceration you're talking about.  He got beat one play, but did not give up a pressure other than that.

 

Also, the fact that one of the most athletic and powerful players to ever compete at the Combine did not overpower him or beat him athletically says something positive, imo.

[rossihunter2]

39 minutes ago, terps85 said:

I'm not seeing the evisceration you're talking about.  He got beat one play, but did not give up a pressure other than that.

 

Also, the fact that one of the most athletic and powerful players to ever compete at the Combine did not overpower him or beat him athletically says something positive, imo.

yes it suggests he's dominant in small windows where there is less distance to travel laterally

and i completely disagree - barnett beat cam on virtually every single snap in that game and had cam on skates the whole time - bama literally ran their offense away from barnett's side to try and stop him getting pressure

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's got SOME route running chops, but he's still pretty strictly a burner. Undersized, been injured a lot, not much of a hands catcher. I don't see him as a slot guy just a complementary burner

This is what I've seen too. 

He can run routes compared to most of the elite speed guys we've seen recently like DHB for example. 

But I think some are over selling his ability there a bit. He still relies on his speed mostly which takes time to get open, as he usually has to get up to speed to separate. 

And he often needs separation to catch the ball bc he doesn't hands catch that well or absorb/fight through contact all that well. 

 

That's to me the element we're missing right now. A guy that can separate immediately with his route running or a guy that doesn't necessarily have to be open to make the catch. 

Mike Williams has become my favorite WR by a distance. The amount of catches he's made with elite prospects draped on him or while getting absolutely destroyed by a big hit....

Obviously depends how the board falls but he's the only WR I'd feel really comfortable taking at 16.... and I don't think there's any chance he's available. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

50 minutes ago, terps85 said:

I'm not seeing the evisceration you're talking about.  He got beat one play, but did not give up a pressure other than that.

 

Also, the fact that one of the most athletic and powerful players to ever compete at the Combine did not overpower him or beat him athletically says something positive, imo.

One play??

Did we watch the same tape?

I saw Barnett absolutely steal Cams lunch money time and time again. 

 

It didnt always result in product bc Bama figured out real quick he would destroy the entire game. After the first series they almost exclusively ran the ball, and away from Barnett.... and only went his way after setting up good play fakes or counters. 

But if you watch Barnett still had him beat within a step or two almost every play. 

And even with the very limited opp to rush the passer I'm pretty sure Barnett still ended with multiple sacks and several other pressures/hits. 

Did he have a FF or INT that game too? Forgetting bc it's been a while since I've watched Barnett since no other prospect has come close to dethroning him in my eyes as a pass rusher. 

 

Either way that tape is an absolute clinic on edge rushing. 

Edited March 21 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[terps85]

15 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

One play??

Did we watch the same tape?

I saw Barnett absolutely steal Cams lunch money time and time again. 

 

It didnt always result in product bc Bama figured out real quick he would destroy the entire game. After the first series they almost exclusively ran the ball, and away from Barnett.... and only went his way after setting up good play fakes or counters. 

But if you watch Barnett still had him beat within a step or two almost every play. 

And even with the very limited opp to rush the passer I'm pretty sure Barnett still ended with multiple sacks and several other pressures/hits. 

Did he have a FF or INT that game too? Forgetting bc it's been a while since I've watched Barnett since no other prospect has come close to dethroning him in my eyes as a pass rusher. 

 

24 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

yes it suggests he's dominant in small windows where there is less distance to travel laterally

and i completely disagree - barnett beat cam on virtually every single snap in that game and had cam on skates the whole time - bama literally ran their offense away from barnett's side to try and stop him getting pressure

Rewatched and agree with you guys.  I was seeing what I wanted to on the first watch.  Idiot move.