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Mock Drafts from the Media

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On 2/23/2017 at 11:37 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Why does nobody believe in Dixon? His college tape was absurd and he showed a lot of the same this year when he got healthy. 

I keep thinking the same thing. With Dixon on the team, I have pretty much zero interest in picking Cook with #16. 

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On 2/23/2017 at 11:37 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Why does nobody believe in Dixon? His college tape was absurd and he showed a lot of the same this year when he got healthy. 

 

On 2/24/2017 at 10:50 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I agree. I want nothing to do with a RB high, unless the value is just out of this world. I'd have to consider McCaffery in the 2nd, but he brings a ton of value elsewhere.... passing game, return game, etc..

Dixon was an absolute beast and probably my favorite RB in last year's draft behind Zeke.

If he was fully healthy all year, i dont think there'd be any RB questions whatsoever. He'd have firmly established himself as a 3 down monster. Pretty sure he led the NFL in yards after contact over the games he played, or maybe it was yards after contact per carry... either way its incredibly impressive for a guy as elusive as he is to also have that kind of power to bounce off tackles.

I mean, in the last couple games -- the images of 3-4 Steelers defenders draped on his back and him just carrying them all an additional 4-5 yards makes you salivate. If he improves on his pass protection, there's no reason to take him off the field. And, if we improve the OL and can routinely get him 2-3 yards before contact he's going to be an absolute beast. DL have trouble bringing him down -- get him in open space against an undersized LB or a DB and forget it... hes dragging you to the end zone.

He also seems like a guy who gets going the more carries he gets. So lets not spread the carries out even more. Feed the beast and look out.

I don't get the love of drafting a RB. I agree Dixon is a rare talent. He will trample a DB and that is if he doesn't shake him out of his shoes first. Dixon is an incredible talent. I like him as much as Cook or Zeke.

He ran a 4.58 which is good long speed for a back if he has good burst and elusiveness. But Dixon was surprised and disappointed at it and feels he is capable of playing at sub 4.5 breakaway speed. He pretty much promised he is going to be faster than that. Priest Holmes went from 4.58 speed to 4.38 after working on it. He is a good sized back and as strong as Ezekiel Elliott. He squats between 600 and 700lbs. Which is more than most LBs and explains all his broken tackles. With his size speed elusiveness and power he is one of the best young backs today. And it gets better. He is a great route runner with really good hands and ball skills. What more do fans want in a young back? I don't get it. Why do we need to draft a back early?

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5 hours ago, GENIUSofFF said:

 

I don't get the love of drafting a RB. I agree Dixon is a rare talent. He will trample a DB and that is if he doesn't shake him out of his shoes first. Dixon is an incredible talent. I like him as much as Cook or Zeke.

He ran a 4.58 which is good long speed for a back if he has good burst and elusiveness. But Dixon was surprised and disappointed at it and feels he is capable of playing at sub 4.5 breakaway speed. He pretty much promised he is going to be faster than that. Priest Holmes went from 4.58 speed to 4.38 after working on it. He is a good sized back and as strong as Ezekiel Elliott. He squats between 600 and 700lbs. Which is more than most LBs and explains all his broken tackles. With his size speed elusiveness and power he is one of the best young backs today. And it gets better. He is a great route runner with really good hands and ball skills. What more do fans want in a young back? I don't get it. Why do we need to draft a back early?

It's not about need, and I'll preface this by saying I don't want the pick to be an rb either, but it's about bringing playmakers into the building and if cook is the bpa playmaker on the board then he could well be the pick - in the first round it's not about need it's about game changers and cook might be that - that being said I'd rather it was someone else from virtually any other position

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7 hours ago, GENIUSofFF said:

 

I don't get the love of drafting a RB. I agree Dixon is a rare talent. He will trample a DB and that is if he doesn't shake him out of his shoes first. Dixon is an incredible talent. I like him as much as Cook or Zeke.

He ran a 4.58 which is good long speed for a back if he has good burst and elusiveness. But Dixon was surprised and disappointed at it and feels he is capable of playing at sub 4.5 breakaway speed. He pretty much promised he is going to be faster than that. Priest Holmes went from 4.58 speed to 4.38 after working on it. He is a good sized back and as strong as Ezekiel Elliott. He squats between 600 and 700lbs. Which is more than most LBs and explains all his broken tackles. With his size speed elusiveness and power he is one of the best young backs today. And it gets better. He is a great route runner with really good hands and ball skills. What more do fans want in a young back? I don't get it. Why do we need to draft a back early?

Sounds like the team should use him as a slot receiver; we need pass-catching playmakers more than a 3-yds and a cloud of dust guy.

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I just said something about it in the post above, but I'll say it again. I'm getting sick of seeing mock drafts having the ravens take dalvin cook....idk why I'm still looking at them. It's not that I don't like cook as a player but his off feild stuff really bother me. And I think it will bother the ravens too

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http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/fsu-football-writer-questions-dalvin-cook-s-character-021217

I hate to say it. But. This guy seems to be making excuses for cooks behaviour. Those arent even the only arrests hes had so if it were just one thing id understand. But this is multiple incedents. Besides I trust Matt Miller's reports. Charlie Campbell as well is the only other pundit to report about cooks character. 

I don't mean to always talk about this or bring it up but it's something I feel strongly about

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A two round mock o NFL Spinzone had the Ravens going Corey Davis in the first, and Charles Harris in the second. I would love for it to turn out this way.

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7 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

A two round mock o NFL Spinzone had the Ravens going Corey Davis in the first, and Charles Harris in the second. I would love for it to turn out this way.

I would cry of happiness if that turned out that way. But I really do think Charles Harris will be the 2nd DE taken in this draft. I think the combine will show his power and speed and he will jump up. I really hope he is there at #16. I think a more realistic would be Harris in the 1st and Kupp in the 2nd. Even though I think Kupp is surely rising, plus I think Kupp fits the need the Ravens need than Davis does. 

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CBS's Dane Bruger has us taking Cook in the first, and uses this as his explanation.   

"The Ravens have a stable of average backs on the roster, which is one of the reasons they ranked near last in the NFL in rushing in 2016. Cook would help change that and open up the offense." 

This honestly really pissed me off. If you are that ignorant please don't post a mock draft. 

To make things worse, players still available included Corey Davis, Derek Barnett, and Sidney Jones. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

To make things worse, players still available included Corey Davis, Derek Barnett, and Sidney Jones. 

I agree, id take all three of those guys ahead of cook

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12 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

CBS's Dane Bruger has us taking Cook in the first, and uses this as his explanation.   

"The Ravens have a stable of average backs on the roster, which is one of the reasons they ranked near last in the NFL in rushing in 2016. Cook would help change that and open up the offense." 

This honestly really pissed me off. If you are that ignorant please don't post a mock draft. 

To make things worse, players still available included Corey Davis, Derek Barnett, and Sidney Jones. 

 

I used one of his mocks in the first post of the thread. He's been dead set on the Ravens taking Cook in his mocks.

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10 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I used one of Cook's mocks in the first post of the thread. He's been dead set on the Ravens taking Cook in his mocks.

A guy with DVs, he's dead set on the ravens taking lol. Makes no sense. 

Charlie Campbell is still stuck on us taking tank at 48. Smh he's usually on point with player value

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12 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I used one of Cook's mocks in the first post of the thread. He's been dead set on the Ravens taking Cook in his mocks.

They also like to say "staring safety Matt Elam is a pending free agent" when mocking us peppers lol. No sense

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1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

A guy with DVs, he's dead set on the ravens taking lol. Makes no sense. 

Charlie Campbell is still stuck on us taking tank at 48. Smh he's usually on point with player value

Worst part is, its not only them mocking him to us lol. Baltimore Sun and the ravens website mention him as a target....no research

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8 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Charlie Campbell has Solomon Thomas falling to us in his latest mock.

Id be stoked. He's a top 10 prospect in my eyes

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8 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Id be stoked. He's a top 10 prospect in my eyes

Again though I'd still be a little disappointed - I love his tape so much but again I feel like there would be an edge guy or a wr or a corner who would be more exciting at that spot - it'd be much easier to talk myself into loving Solomon Thomas as a pick than dalvin cook though

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On 2/26/2017 at 0:37 AM, GENIUSofFF said:

 

I don't get the love of drafting a RB. I agree Dixon is a rare talent. He will trample a DB and that is if he doesn't shake him out of his shoes first. Dixon is an incredible talent. I like him as much as Cook or Zeke.

He ran a 4.58 which is good long speed for a back if he has good burst and elusiveness. But Dixon was surprised and disappointed at it and feels he is capable of playing at sub 4.5 breakaway speed. He pretty much promised he is going to be faster than that. Priest Holmes went from 4.58 speed to 4.38 after working on it. He is a good sized back and as strong as Ezekiel Elliott. He squats between 600 and 700lbs. Which is more than most LBs and explains all his broken tackles. With his size speed elusiveness and power he is one of the best young backs today. And it gets better. He is a great route runner with really good hands and ball skills. What more do fans want in a young back? I don't get it. Why do we need to draft a back early?

Again- it has nothing to do with Dixon- its about staying true to the BPA mantra. If the top corners and pass rushers get plucked, the top WRS are gone AND we can't get a tradeback- then certainly Cook would be the best move is it not? And when has it ever hurt to have 2 dynamic backs? Always great to have insurance incase of injury and to keep both guys fresh. Then we have an extra asset that could be useful when it comes time to renegotiate a 2nd contract or to use as trade bait.

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24 minutes ago, January J said:

Again- it has nothing to do with Dixon- its about staying true to the BPA mantra. If the top corners and pass rushers get plucked, the top WRS are gone AND we can't get a tradeback- then certainly Cook would be the best move is it not? And when has it ever hurt to have 2 dynamic backs? Always great to have insurance incase of injury and to keep both guys fresh. Then we have an extra asset that could be useful when it comes time to renegotiate a 2nd contract or to use as trade bait.

If Cook is there there is no way we don't get a good trade back option.

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22 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Id be stoked. He's a top 10 prospect in my eyes

Honestly, I expect him to be available at our pick and I expect us to pass. I think he's this year's flavor of the month guy like Noah Spence last year, he's getting hypes up even as far as top 5 but as the process goes on he'll move back into realistic position of - where I see it anyway - late first. He's athletic and strong but I don't see a guy as versatile as some make him out to be, I think he's a pretty scheme specific 4-3 DT, with possibly a little ability to play 4-3 DE. 

He could genuinely go that high I suppose, he won't disappoint at the combine and his biggest competition in Barnett - though, as I said, I don't think they're in any way going to be at the same position in the NFL - will likely not do very well, but I don't see him as a top 10 guy unless he absolutely tears apart the combine. He'll do well, but he's not putting up crazy numbers from what I've seen.

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16 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Honestly, I expect him to be available at our pick and I expect us to pass. I think he's this year's flavor of the month guy like Noah Spence last year, he's getting hypes up even as far as top 5 but as the process goes on he'll move back into realistic position of - where I see it anyway - late first. He's athletic and strong but I don't see a guy as versatile as some make him out to be, I think he's a pretty scheme specific 4-3 DT, with possibly a little ability to play 4-3 DE. 

He could genuinely go that high I suppose, he won't disappoint at the combine and his biggest competition in Barnett - though, as I said, I don't think they're in any way going to be at the same position in the NFL - will likely not do very well, but I don't see him as a top 10 guy unless he absolutely tears apart the combine. He'll do well, but he's not putting up crazy numbers from what I've seen.

Given what you think of Thomas then, what do you think of Malik mcdowell in terms of value and draft position?

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22 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Given what you think of Thomas then, what do you think of Malik mcdowell in terms of value and draft position?

I'd have to re-watch him to give my own thoughts on his stock, but I watched him last what feels like years ago at this point. Cheating by going off what others have said and based off what I remember - admittedly not much - I think he's probably a first round guy. I don't think he and Thomas are very comparable though, like I said before, I think Thomas needs to be a primary 3 tech DT in a 4-3, whereas I think it's pretty clear that McDowell should primarily be an end in the 4-3, I just don't see proper strength and leverage to be a successful DT, unless that's a pass rush specialist at DT on passing downs. I know McDowell as of late is falling pretty hard, and I'm not really surprised by that, he's a hard one to place.

I think DeMarcus Walker from FSU would be a better comparison than McDowell, I don't hate Walker but like Thomas he's undersized for what looks like his natural position at 3 tech. Obviously Walker brings his own set of problems to the equation, but I think their strengths are similar, though consistent effort level is a big point of separation between them.

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If anyone's interested, lance zierlein just discussed his latest mock draft and the rationale behind it on the latest around the NFL podcast with specific reference to the top qbs and their apparent value as well as Garrett among others - I thought it was pretty interesting (his section starts after about an hour I think, if you wanna skip to it)

they also had discussed before he came on the value of qbs now in the league and talked about jimmy g, Kirk cousins etc. and contextualised some of the struggling teams looking for qbs - it's helped me in how I think about the qb carousel and the number of guys who might go ahead of us at 16

worth a listen if you haven't already

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--> also bucky brooks latest draft has reuben foster dropping to 27 and jabrill peppers top 10... i never really agreed with his evaluations of players before but it was within the bounds of reason where it's like 'ok you just feel differently about certain things than me but you're the pro so...' but his latest draft is just stupid - i dont think i saw a single pick i really thought i liked apart from garrett at number 1

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2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

--> also bucky brooks latest draft has reuben foster dropping to 27 and jabrill peppers top 10... i never really agreed with his evaluations of players before but it was within the bounds of reason where it's like 'ok you just feel differently about certain things than me but you're the pro so...' but his latest draft is just stupid - i dont think i saw a single pick i really thought i liked apart from garrett at number 1

His mocks are always stupid. He's maybe the absolute worst. I'd place more stock into save dameshek having Garrett fall to the steelers over anything by Bucky 

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1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His mocks are always stupid. He's maybe the absolute worst. I'd place more stock into save dameshek having Garrett fall to the steelers over anything by Bucky 

i think the difference this time is i've lost respect for him now because he either knows nothing at all and doesn't deserve respect or he's not taking the job seriously in which case what's the point in having him do a mock in the first place... either way it's bad

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22 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i think the difference this time is i've lost respect for him now because he either knows nothing at all and doesn't deserve respect or he's not taking the job seriously in which case what's the point in having him do a mock in the first place... either way it's bad

I think he's legitimately that clueless.

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Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think he's legitimately that clueless.

and to think the panthers employed him as a scout... i guess that's why he's no longer a scout and no longer gets job offers from the league unlike DJ

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1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

and to think the panthers employed him as a scout... i guess that's why he's no longer a scout and no longer gets job offers from the league unlike DJ

Ya DJ and mayock are really the 2 guys who make the most sense. Out of really every draft guru. I don't understand kiper. I thinks he's gone crazy or something

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