Mock Drafts from the Media

[RavensDieHard21]

I think Conley is a borderline top 5 CB in this class. Especially with upside due to size. 

1. Lattimore 2. Jones 3. Wilson--even though draft experts are tough on him, then it is tough. White and Lewis will likely be in the slot. Tabor and Humphrey have a super high ceiling, but pretty low floors because they have some serious concerns. 

Conley isn't a superstar but I think he will hold his own and has potential to be an underrated player

[ravensnation5220]

23 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think Conley is a borderline top 5 CB in this class. Especially with upside due to size. 

1. Lattimore 2. Jones 3. Wilson--even though draft experts are tough on him, then it is tough. White and Lewis will likely be in the slot. Tabor and Humphrey have a super high ceiling, but pretty low floors because they have some serious concerns. 

Conley isn't a superstar but I think he will hold his own and has potential to be an underrated player

We don't need an underrated player on this team however. I'd rather take a chance on Humphrey and Tabor, considering I don't see serious concerns. They can both play and are ultra competitors. They have that chip on their shoulder and I think our defense needs some kind of swagger. They can both set the tone of a game and make big plays. 

[ravensnation5220]

How many of these players have dad's who played in the NFL? Sheesh... I just found out Jamal Adams' dad was a first round pick

[allblackraven]

37 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

How many of these players have dad's who played in the NFL? Sheesh... I just found out Jamal Adams' dad was a first round pick

Son is much better in this case

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

We don't need an underrated player on this team however. I'd rather take a chance on Humphrey and Tabor, considering I don't see serious concerns. They can both play and are ultra competitors. They have that chip on their shoulder and I think our defense needs some kind of swagger. They can both set the tone of a game and make big plays. 

The difference is those picks are definite first round selections where Conley would likely only be a second round pick for us. 

Conley however has better pure coverage skills than either corner In my opinion, Tabor and Humphrey are both physical but the way they held people in college will result in easy penalties in the pros. Tabor has the better ball skills where Hump is a better tackler and better at shedding blocks. 

neither would be great picks at 16, but decent ones, where Conley would be a crazy good value in the second. 

 

[Darhk_Raven]

So this week Walter Football has us drafting nothing but Oline and defensive front.

Round 1: Cam Robinson 

Round 2: Dan Feeney

Round 3: Carroll Phillips 

Round 4: Elijah Qualls 

 

[RaineV1]

2 hours ago, Darhk_Raven said:

So this week Walter Football has us drafting nothing but Oline and defensive front.

Round 1: Cam Robinson 

Round 2: Dan Feeney

Round 3: Carroll Phillips 

Round 4: Elijah Qualls 

 

I like rounds two and four there. I don't want Robinson in the first and Phillips is a reach in the third.

Edited February 22 by RaineV1

[RavensDieHard21]

CBS has us taking Cook in most recent one with Sidney Jones, Davis and Barnett all there. Objections? 

Per se Barnett and Jones are gone, would you take Cook or Davis? 

[VermontRaven]

23 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

CBS has us taking Cook in most recent one with Sidney Jones, Davis and Barnett all there. Objections? 

Per se Barnett and Jones are gone, would you take Cook or Davis? 

I want no part of Cook because 1) his off-the-field issues and 2) I don't want to see us take a RB with our first round pick

[rossihunter2]

32 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

CBS has us taking Cook in most recent one with Sidney Jones, Davis and Barnett all there. Objections? 

Per se Barnett and Jones are gone, would you take Cook or Davis? 

im a big fan of corey davis - he's currently 9th on my big board

[hn68wb4]

40 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

CBS has us taking Cook in most recent one with Sidney Jones, Davis and Barnett all there. Objections? 

Per se Barnett and Jones are gone, would you take Cook or Davis? 

I'd take Barnett over all 3, I think people are putting way too much stock in his lack of game breaking athleticism. The guy has everything else you want in an EDGE player and produced against the best of the best. He'd be a steal at #16. Between Davis and Jones it's close for #2, I'd still go Jones just because he's my guy, I think he's going to be great, though I really like Davis. Cook is well below all 3 and below plenty of other players as well, he's a great player but I really don't want him, we just don't need him and his off-the-field stuff can't be discounted because of his athleticism.

[ravensnick]

On 2/17/2017 at 4:58 PM, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think Conley is a borderline top 5 CB in this class. Especially with upside due to size. 

1. Lattimore 2. Jones 3. Wilson--even though draft experts are tough on him, then it is tough. White and Lewis will likely be in the slot. Tabor and Humphrey have a super high ceiling, but pretty low floors because they have some serious concerns. 

Conley isn't a superstar but I think he will hold his own and has potential to be an underrated player

Most the media have him on the border of rounds 1/2. I don't think he's being underrated like you say.

[ravensnick]

14 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I'd take Barnett over all 3, I think people are putting way too much stock in his lack of game breaking athleticism. The guy has everything else you want in an EDGE player and produced against the best of the best. He'd be a steal at #16. Between Davis and Jones it's close for #2, I'd still go Jones just because he's my guy, I think he's going to be great, though I really like Davis. Cook is well below all 3 and below plenty of other players as well, he's a great player but I really don't want him, we just don't need him and his off-the-field stuff can't be discounted because of his athleticism.

I just don't like Barnetts fit at OLB at all. He's definitely a 4-3 DE. Great player, but I'm not sure exactly how he would fit in our scheme.

Edited February 22 by ravensnick

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, ravensnick said:

I just don't like Barnetts fit at OLB at all. He's definitely a 4-3 DE. Great player, but I'm not sure exactly how he would fit in our scheme.

ive been going back to the barnett film the last few days because of everyone cooling on him and if anything i've come out of it more hyped about him as a prospect - and in terms of being a 3-4 olb he has shown all the qualities to suggest he can be as effective at either spot - i've seen him rush from 3point stance and standing up, ive seen him drop into coverage and he bends the edge like no other prospect in this class with good hand usage as well

he's my 6th prospect at the moment - i just moved him up a couple of spots on my board

[hn68wb4]

4 hours ago, ravensnick said:

I just don't like Barnetts fit at OLB at all. He's definitely a 4-3 DE. Great player, but I'm not sure exactly how he would fit in our scheme.

People have said this to me before, but from everything I've watched on him I think he's work fine at EDGE, the only thing that I haven't seen from him that would be an obstacle is his athleticism, but to me that's very much minor. Solomon Thomas on the other hand is a guy with all the athleticism in the world but I've never gotten the indication that he can be anything but a currently undersized 4-3 DT with some ability to kick outside to DE, I don't see EDGE ability at all.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, ravensnick said:

I just don't like Barnetts fit at OLB at all. He's definitely a 4-3 DE. Great player, but I'm not sure exactly how he would fit in our scheme.

I don't see that at all. He's got prototype OLB size being on the lower end of 6 foot with long arms and weighing in the 260s. He'll have no issues with leverage or reach, excellent pursuit and he takes advantage of space very well. He's too savvy an edge defender to be bitten by scheme changes. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

People have said this to me before, but from everything I've watched on him I think he's work fine at EDGE, the only thing that I haven't seen from him that would be an obstacle is his athleticism, but to me that's very much minor. Solomon Thomas on the other hand is a guy with all the athleticism in the world but I've never gotten the indication that he can be anything but a currently undersized 4-3 DT with some ability to kick outside to DE, I don't see EDGE ability at all.

I agree. Solomon Thomas is a player who I just don't get the hype. He's fun to watch and has a ton of great traits, he's a plus athlete with incredible burst and closing speed and strength, but at his size he needs to be on tape looking like Aaron Donald and he isn't. I think his size will keep him limited to a very solid guy who moves a lot. He could struggle if he goes to the wrong team

[RavensDieHard21]

8 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I'd take Barnett over all 3, I think people are putting way too much stock in his lack of game breaking athleticism. The guy has everything else you want in an EDGE player and produced against the best of the best. He'd be a steal at #16. Between Davis and Jones it's close for #2, I'd still go Jones just because he's my guy, I think he's going to be great, though I really like Davis. Cook is well below all 3 and below plenty of other players as well, he's a great player but I really don't want him, we just don't need him and his off-the-field stuff can't be discounted because of his athleticism.

Oh obviously Barnett is the best amongst them, but it is very probable that Barnett, Jones, Lattimore and many other CBS and edge guys are gone. I was wondering which player people thought had more value between cook and Davis 

[RavensDieHard21]

8 hours ago, ravensnick said:

Most the media have him on the border of rounds 1/2. I don't think he's being underrated like you say.

Ya they throw him in there(1st) just for variety in their picks but almost any mock you see will have Jones, Lattimore, Hump, Tabor, Wilson and in some cases Lewis and White all ahead of him. 

This is why I think he could be a great Rd 2 pick. 

[RavensDieHard21]

Just seen the best two round mock so far, Barnett in the first with us trading up with I think Philly to take Budda Baker. 

Talk about instant infusion of talent. Baker's tape might be the most entertaining to watch. He might not be the honey badger but he certainly looks like the Tasmanian Devil😈

[rossihunter2]

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I agree. Solomon Thomas is a player who I just don't get the hype. He's fun to watch and has a ton of great traits, he's a plus athlete with incredible burst and closing speed and strength, but at his size he needs to be on tape looking like Aaron Donald and he isn't. I think his size will keep him limited to a very solid guy who moves a lot. He could struggle if he goes to the wrong team

I think Solomon is going to be just fine lol - but at 3-4 DE or at DT - he didn't look that small to me on film but the combine will be big for him - his raw traits though have at times had me salivating

[ravensnick]

14 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Ya they throw him in there(1st) just for variety in their picks but almost any mock you see will have Jones, Lattimore, Hump, Tabor, Wilson and in some cases Lewis and White all ahead of him. 

This is why I think he could be a great Rd 2 pick. 

I personally have Jones, Lattimore, and Wilson over him and Humphrey pretty close. I think a lot of executives in the NFL see it the same. Humphrey has stiff hips, Lewis and White are shorter, and Tabor has off the field flags plus he is overhyped. I think most GMs have Conley in the first even if most fan/media "experts" don't. I definitely don't think he'll be there in the middle of the second. I think if we trade down to early/mid 20s, we could snag him.

Edited February 23 by ravensnick

[ravensnick]

13 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Just seen the best two round mock so far, Barnett in the first with us trading up with I think Philly to take Budda Baker. 

Talk about instant infusion of talent. Baker's tape might be the most entertaining to watch. He might not be the honey badger but he certainly looks like the Tasmanian Devil😈

I do really, really like Budda Baker. He or Desmond King would be excellent in the second, since I doubt we could get Hooker/Adams in the first.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I think Solomon is going to be just fine lol - but at 3-4 DE or at DT - he didn't look that small to me on film but the combine will be big for him - his raw traits though have at times had me salivating

I think he'll be fine as well, I'm just not seeing this home run top 10, sometimes even top 5 talent he's being mocked as. I see a mid teens talent for a strictly 43 team who needs talent on the front 4 regardless of position.

if you're a 34 team or a 43 team who needs a full time DE and you're picking top 10, you may possibly come out of it feeling a little underwhelmed. Now this is all relatively speaking because I still think he's gonna be good, but compared to some other top 10 talents being projected in the same area I think he may fall short. now say NO who's desperate for talent up front regardless takes him in the teens, that's different. I'm really referring to him being mocked 4th overall to the jags and 9th to he bengals. I just don't see a top 10 guy there

[trevorsteadman]

What I hear about Solomon Thomas is what I heard about Joey Bosa last season... And I still wish he fell to the Ravens at #6. Looking back now I love Stanley he is going to be one of the best tackles in the league. But I think people put too much stock into size. I think he shows all the traits. I think he would be fantastic a OLB in the Ravens' 3-4 scheme. He is only an inch shorter and actually weighs more than Suggs and no one can deny Suggs has been one of the best OLB to play in the league since he entered the league. I really think he makes plays and I would be excited to bring him in. His football IQ is pretty high and watching interviews he seems like a good guy to bring into the locker room. 

I actually don't think he lasts that long to 16. And his lack of tape online kind of scares me. But I do think he would be a solid pick at #16.

[ravensnation5220]

44 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think he'll be fine as well, I'm just not seeing this home run top 10, sometimes even top 5 talent he's being mocked as. I see a mid teens talent for a strictly 43 team who needs talent on the front 4 regardless of position.

if you're a 34 team or a 43 team who needs a full time DE and you're picking top 10, you may possibly come out of it feeling a little underwhelmed. Now this is all relatively speaking because I still think he's gonna be good, but compared to some other top 10 talents being projected in the same area I think he may fall short. now say NO who's desperate for talent up front regardless takes him in the teens, that's different. I'm really referring to him being mocked 4th overall to the jags and 9th to he bengals. I just don't see a top 10 guy there

He's gonna blow up the combine. Just wait this guy should be a top 10 pick. He's a disruptive force and only a red shirt sophomore. He's a very high character guy. No red flags with that kind of talent should garner a top 10 pick

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

What I hear about Solomon Thomas is what I heard about Joey Bosa last season... And I still wish he fell to the Ravens at #6. Looking back now I love Stanley he is going to be one of the best tackles in the league. But I think people put too much stock into size. I think he shows all the traits. I think he would be fantastic a OLB in the Ravens' 3-4 scheme. He is only an inch shorter and actually weighs more than Suggs and no one can deny Suggs has been one of the best OLB to play in the league since he entered the league. I really think he makes plays and I would be excited to bring him in. His football IQ is pretty high and watching interviews he seems like a good guy to bring into the locker room. 

I actually don't think he lasts that long to 16. And his lack of tape online kind of scares me. But I do think he would be a solid pick at #16.

This talk about bosa was regarding his burst and speed, but he had all the measurables to be a good edge defender and the talk was ridiculous nitpicking about an absurdly talented player, Thomas and bosa are on 2 different planets. 

The concern with Thomas is about his size as a DT, and his lack of experience or tape as an edge defender. I don't think there is a single piece of film out there that shows Thomas bending the edge. It's all inside gap knifing and great pursuit plays. Bosas film was some of the best you would ever see from a college edge defender, he was a game wrecker in all facets, even taking it easy as a junior he was the best player in the nation and everything looked NFL ready. He could bend the edge, get off the snap, win 1on1 matchups, played with incredible strength and savvy. These are just 2 totally different cases where one guy was a sure thing being nitpicked and the other is a big question mark with upside

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

He's gonna blow up the combine. Just wait this guy should be a top 10 pick. He's a disruptive force and only a red shirt sophomore. He's a very high character guy. No red flags with that kind of talent should garner a top 10 pick

I think he'll crush it too. I just don't see where he plays in the NFL and whoever takes him better have a role in mind and have the luxury of time if he needs to develop.

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think he'll crush it too. I just don't see where he plays in the NFL and whoever takes him better have a role in mind and have the luxury of time if he needs to develop.

He played everywhere on the line for Stanford. But in the NFL he is going to be a 3 tech and could play 5 or 7 tech well. I just want him picking on interior lineman. No one will be able to handle him inside with his quickness and his strength. His relentlessness will keep him in the league for a while. High ceiling and high floor 

[rmw10]

48 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

What I hear about Solomon Thomas is what I heard about Joey Bosa last season... And I still wish he fell to the Ravens at #6. Looking back now I love Stanley he is going to be one of the best tackles in the league. But I think people put too much stock into size. I think he shows all the traits. I think he would be fantastic a OLB in the Ravens' 3-4 scheme. He is only an inch shorter and actually weighs more than Suggs and no one can deny Suggs has been one of the best OLB to play in the league since he entered the league. I really think he makes plays and I would be excited to bring him in. His football IQ is pretty high and watching interviews he seems like a good guy to bring into the locker room. 

I actually don't think he lasts that long to 16. And his lack of tape online kind of scares me. But I do think he would be a solid pick at #16.

I don't think he's necessarily an OLB in the 3-4, but I think he'd be perfect as a base end when we're in the 4-3 under, moving inside on obvious pass rushing situations.  I don't think I'd ever try to stand him up, but I think you could easily put him all over your defensive front with his hand in the dirt.  I'll still stand by my original thought when watching him - Michael Bennett 2.0