Mock Drafts from the Media

[Somerset Ravens]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

I think that's what it will take and someone will do it because there are 3 teams that viably could do it especially given how weak this qb draft class is - people citing brock osweiler as a reason not to sign him is also ridiculous because he'll have a year left on the rookie contract - essentially a one year prove it deal - are you really telling me that jimmy g isn't worth the twelfth pick when some of the qbs in this class are currently being mocked at the 2nd and 3rd pick etc

The twelfth pick for a one year rental is a steep price. Drafting a rookie quarterback early in round one gives you four years on a rookie contract with a fifth option. 

[rossihunter2]

28 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:

The twelfth pick for a one year rental is a steep price. Drafting a rookie quarterback early in round one gives you four years on a rookie contract with a fifth option. 

it's a one year rental where if he sucks you can cut ties and if he does well then you can franchise him a la kirk cousins or lock him up immediately at that point - i think it has to be said that there is a big difference in the quality of output from brock and jimmy g - when brock was on the field he wasnt amazing but he was serviceable for the mostpart - when jimmy g was covering for brady without gronk on the field he looked like the best player on the field and killed it...

[trevorsteadman]

27 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

it's a one year rental where if he sucks you can cut ties and if he does well then you can franchise him a la kirk cousins or lock him up immediately at that point - i think it has to be said that there is a big difference in the quality of output from brock and jimmy g - when brock was on the field he wasnt amazing but he was serviceable for the mostpart - when jimmy g was covering for brady without gronk on the field he looked like the best player on the field and killed it...

I still don't like the trade because Garrapolo has only seen limited action. Osweiler looked decent enough to get his huge contract and it blew up. Quarterbacks always look good in New England. Matt Cassel took their team to 11 wins and a playoff birth. I wouldn't touch any player from New England. 

[usmccharles]

20 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I still don't like the trade because Garrapolo has only seen limited action. Osweiler looked decent enough to get his huge contract and it blew up. Quarterbacks always look good in New England. Matt Cassel took their team to 11 wins and a playoff birth. I wouldn't touch any player from New England. 

I mostly blame the Texans on that, Osweiler I don't think looked that good.  In 9 games he threw 10TDs to 6INTs and I think he had about a 60% rate.  I mean, they gave the guy a contract without ever meeting him.  One of the worst contracts recently....easily.  Jimmy played in less than half the games Osweiler did (smaller sample size I know), and actually looked good, but id rather put my money behind him on a one year deal for about 900k than a rookie on a 4 year deal for around 20mill.  Obviously, its just preference.

Edited February 14 by usmccharles

[trevorsteadman]

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I mostly blame the Texans on that, Osweiler I don't think looked that good.  In 9 games he threw 10TDs to 6INTs and I think he had about a 60% rate.  I mean, they gave the guy a contract without ever meeting him.  One of the worst contracts recently....easily.  Jimmy played in less than half the games Osweiler did (smaller sample size I know), and actually looked good, but id rather put my money behind him on a one year deal for about 900k than a rookie on a 4 year deal for around 20mill.  Obviously, its just preference.

I wouldn't touch any of the quarterbacks in this draft. If a team was smart like the Browns they continue trading back like they did last draft. Trade back 10 spots or so and get another 1st round pick next season. No quarterback out of this class will impress just like the last class. You stockpile picks in future drafts and hope you can find playmakers at other positions in the mean time for when they do find that quarterback he will succeed.

The Browns won't stay down for long. In my opinion they are closer than a lot of teams from being a playoff team. The Browns are getting a lot out of being down near the bottom of most drafts for the past few years. If they continue trading back they will continue finding talent to fill. 

I feel like teams try forcing being competitive.. For instance, last year the Vikings lost Adrian Peterson and Teddy Bridgewater really early on and they go on and trade for Bradford. They barely made the playoffs the year before but they felt they were in a win now when they should've just waited a year for them both to get healthy and go from there. Instead they traded a 1st round pick for Bradford and they missed the playoffs by a mile. The Browns need to continue trading back and stockpiling picks. They got a lot of solid talent last year they need to continue.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

I wouldn't touch any of the quarterbacks in this draft. If a team was smart like the Browns they continue trading back like they did last draft. Trade back 10 spots or so and get another 1st round pick next season. No quarterback out of this class will impress just like the last class. You stockpile picks in future drafts and hope you can find playmakers at other positions in the mean time for when they do find that quarterback he will succeed.

The Browns won't stay down for long. In my opinion they are closer than a lot of teams from being a playoff team. The Browns are getting a lot out of being down near the bottom of most drafts for the past few years. If they continue trading back they will continue finding talent to fill. 

I feel like teams try forcing being competitive.. For instance, last year the Vikings lost Adrian Peterson and Teddy Bridgewater really early on and they go on and trade for Bradford. They barely made the playoffs the year before but they felt they were in a win now when they should've just waited a year for them both to get healthy and go from there. Instead they traded a 1st round pick for Bradford and they missed the playoffs by a mile. The Browns need to continue trading back and stockpiling picks. They got a lot of solid talent last year they need to continue.

I like the progress the Browns are making, although it was a head scratcher for them to draft 4 or 5 WRs in the draft least.  I think they should completely ignore the QB position this year and do what you said, try to trade back.  I would keep the 1st to get Garret unless a team gives a huge ransom, and then try to trade back with the 12th.  If a team wanted lets say Fournette they would have to leap in front of Indi and Phili imo.  I don't know what it would take to make the move but if the Browns could take Garret, have another pick around 20th and take a CB and then maybe a extra 2 or a 3....that's a game changer.  Im with you, I actually think the Browns will be better than people think IF the ownership gives Hue Jackson time to implement his system

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, usmccharles said:

I like the progress the Browns are making, although it was a head scratcher for them to draft 4 or 5 WRs in the draft least.  I think they should completely ignore the QB position this year and do what you said, try to trade back.  I would keep the 1st to get Garret unless a team gives a huge ransom, and then try to trade back with the 12th.  If a team wanted lets say Fournette they would have to leap in front of Indi and Phili imo.  I don't know what it would take to make the move but if the Browns could take Garret, have another pick around 20th and take a CB and then maybe a extra 2 or a 3....that's a game changer.  Im with you, I actually think the Browns will be better than people think IF the ownership gives Hue Jackson time to implement his system

I would agree you keep Garrett because he is almost a sure thing and will be a huge gamechanger. What I see is so valuable is that 12th pick. Still enough for a team to trade up for 2 1st round picks to move up 10 spots. And like you said it will take time so hopefully they give Hue Jackson at least another 2 years to see what he can do. That last draft though was fantastic. They have solid running backs, great wide receivers, great o-line. Only question is the quarterback position.

[usmccharles]

14 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I would agree you keep Garrett because he is almost a sure thing and will be a huge gamechanger. What I see is so valuable is that 12th pick. Still enough for a team to trade up for 2 1st round picks to move up 10 spots. And like you said it will take time so hopefully they give Hue Jackson at least another 2 years to see what he can do. That last draft though was fantastic. They have solid running backs, great wide receivers, great o-line. Only question is the quarterback position.

I don't think they should keep Crowel long term, maybe another year.  Like you said, QB is going to be the thing that holds them back.  I like what the Browns can potentially do here, also excited to see what the Titans do. 

[trevorsteadman]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I don't think they should keep Crowel long term, maybe another year.  Like you said, QB is going to be the thing that holds them back.  I like what the Browns can potentially do here, also excited to see what the Titans do. 

Yes the Titans are very exciting to see especially since they won 7 or 8 games this last season and have 2 1st rounders. 

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Yes the Titans are very exciting to see especially since they won 7 or 8 games this last season and have 2 1st rounders. 

Including the fifth pick which is huge

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Including the fifth pick which is huge

I expect them to take Mike Williams and then go corner.   

[RaineV1]

There's a mock from Bleacher Report that has three QBs going before the Ravens' pick, and Barnett falling for us:

The Pick: DE Derek Barnett, Tennessee

           

Fourteen years ago, the Baltimore Ravens stood pat at the 10th overall pick, and college's football best pass-rusher fell to them because of concerns about his athleticism. 

Derek Barnett may not be the next Terrell Suggs, but the logic of selecting the Tennessee product remains the same. Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome apparently believes a pass-rusher who dominates at the collegiate level should be able to do the same as a professional. 

Barnett left Tennessee after setting a school record with 33 sacks. He also finished second on the Vols' career list with 52 tackles for loss. But concerns persist about his ability to beat offensive tackles at the next level. Teams will be closely watching how he performs at the combine—specifically in the 10-yard split, short shuttle and three-cone drill. 

Meanwhile, Suggs and his bookend, Elvis Dumervil, need reinforcements. Both are at least 33 years old. Each dealt with multiple injuries during their careers. Last season, the duo combined for only 11 sacks, and the team finished 24th overall in the category. 

Barnett may not display top-end physical traits, but he has a knack for getting to the quarterback. It's a quality the Ravens need. 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2692179-2017-nfl-mock-draft-pre-combine-update

[trevorsteadman]

12 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

There's a mock from Bleacher Report that has three QBs going before the Ravens' pick, and Barnett falling for us:

The Pick: DE Derek Barnett, Tennessee

           

Fourteen years ago, the Baltimore Ravens stood pat at the 10th overall pick, and college's football best pass-rusher fell to them because of concerns about his athleticism. 

Derek Barnett may not be the next Terrell Suggs, but the logic of selecting the Tennessee product remains the same. Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome apparently believes a pass-rusher who dominates at the collegiate level should be able to do the same as a professional. 

Barnett left Tennessee after setting a school record with 33 sacks. He also finished second on the Vols' career list with 52 tackles for loss. But concerns persist about his ability to beat offensive tackles at the next level. Teams will be closely watching how he performs at the combine—specifically in the 10-yard split, short shuttle and three-cone drill. 

Meanwhile, Suggs and his bookend, Elvis Dumervil, need reinforcements. Both are at least 33 years old. Each dealt with multiple injuries during their careers. Last season, the duo combined for only 11 sacks, and the team finished 24th overall in the category. 

Barnett may not display top-end physical traits, but he has a knack for getting to the quarterback. It's a quality the Ravens need. 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2692179-2017-nfl-mock-draft-pre-combine-update

I wouldn't be upset with the pick but I also wouldn't be thrilled. I don't know why but I don't like his film. 

[VermontRaven]

18 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I would agree you keep Garrett because he is almost a sure thing and will be a huge gamechanger. What I see is so valuable is that 12th pick. Still enough for a team to trade up for 2 1st round picks to move up 10 spots. And like you said it will take time so hopefully they give Hue Jackson at least another 2 years to see what he can do. That last draft though was fantastic. They have solid running backs, great wide receivers, great o-line. Only question is the quarterback position.

I agree that no QB in this draft class stands out.  The only varying strategy I might have if I was the Browns is going after Garropolo if they think he can be their QB (I have not done any analysis on him to see if he looks like a starting QB).  If you think he can be the guy, you try to work out a trade--I would try to do it without giving up the 12th pick, but if that is what it took and I thought he could be the QB, then I'd go for it.  If you don't think Garropolo is the guy, then get solid playmakers and worry about QB next year and maybe take a flyer on a potential QB in the middle rounds.

[trevorsteadman]

49 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

I agree that no QB in this draft class stands out.  The only varying strategy I might have if I was the Browns is going after Garropolo if they think he can be their QB (I have not done any analysis on him to see if he looks like a starting QB).  If you think he can be the guy, you try to work out a trade--I would try to do it without giving up the 12th pick, but if that is what it took and I thought he could be the QB, then I'd go for it.  If you don't think Garropolo is the guy, then get solid playmakers and worry about QB next year and maybe take a flyer on a potential QB in the middle rounds.

But like I said before... Garropolo is a one year rental at this point. You aren't 100% sure he will resign. Also while Garropolo has had success it has been in limited games when even Brissett has looked fantastic in as well. You have to wonder if it is actually the player or the system. The Texans made a huge mistake last year with Osweiler in limited action. If the Browns are smart they keep trading back. They had a solid draft last year and if they continue to trade back and stockpile picks a franchise quarterback will come along. It wouldn't be smart for them to go for Garropolo in my opinion.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

But like I said before... Garropolo is a one year rental at this point. You aren't 100% sure he will resign. Also while Garropolo has had success it has been in limited games when even Brissett has looked fantastic in as well. You have to wonder if it is actually the player or the system. The Texans made a huge mistake last year with Osweiler in limited action. If the Browns are smart they keep trading back. They had a solid draft last year and if they continue to trade back and stockpile picks a franchise quarterback will come along. It wouldn't be smart for them to go for Garropolo in my opinion.

It's not uncommon for a team to get a long term deal worked out with a trade prospect as part of the trade. And you can't really compare what Garoppolo did to Brissett. Jimmy only played a game and a half compared to Brissett's two and a half games, but yet Jimmy got more yards and four touchdowms compared to Brissett's zero touchdowns. The offenses were ran very differently as well. When Jimmy was in the Patriots didn't hold back at all, but they were a run heavy, game managing team while Brissett was playing. Also, Brissett was the QB when they got shut out by the Bills.

[January J]

We really need 3 qbs to go before our pick. Then we're all but guaranteed  a top notch playmaker. Very good chance Corey davis is there. Would y'all rather have him or Williams? Or would you pass on both and take Jones or Wilson? Tough call cobsidering our needs. Corner higher on the totum pole but the need for a true #1 receiver has been lurking for well over a decade.

[lgcs27288]

6 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

It's not uncommon for a team to get a long term deal worked out with a trade prospect as part of the trade. And you can't really compare what Garoppolo did to Brissett. Jimmy only played a game and a half compared to Brissett's two and a half games, but yet Jimmy got more yards and four touchdowms compared to Brissett's zero touchdowns. The offenses were ran very differently as well. When Jimmy was in the Patriots didn't hold back at all, but they were a run heavy, game managing team while Brissett was playing. Also, Brissett was the QB when they got shut out by the Bills.

If I were the Browns, Id trade back from 12 to get a couple firsts. Then trade one to get Jimmy. Also, Brissett was hurt that game.

[RaineV1]

1 minute ago, lgcs27288 said:

If I were the Browns, Id trade back from 12 to get a couple firsts. Then trade one to get Jimmy. Also, Brissett was hurt that game.

I doubt they could get another first, but trading back for another second round pick and then trading the second first for Jimmy would be smart. I'll give their GM plenty of credit if he pulled that off.

[usmccharles]

19 minutes ago, January J said:

We really need 3 qbs to go before our pick. Then we're all but guaranteed  a top notch playmaker. Very good chance Corey davis is there. Would y'all rather have him or Williams? Or would you pass on both and take Jones or Wilson? Tough call cobsidering our needs. Corner higher on the totum pole but the need for a true #1 receiver has been lurking for well over a decade.

That's a tough call.  I would love to get a young WR for Joe to finish his career with basically.  But just seeing the difference of having no Jimmy over the end of the season, imagine if we drafted a CB that produced for us AND Jimmy was healthy at the same time.  That would alone improve our pass rush making the QB hang on to the ball.  Im really torn and I haven't watched Davis at all but I did see Williams make some amazing grabs in the championship game, a big guy who hi-points the ball would be great for Joe, like a young Brandon Marshall kind of.  If we don't take one of the WRs im praying for a CB.  Prefer the CB then would love to get a pass rusher in the 2nd. 

Obviously this depends on FA. 

Sidenote, PFF just released a mock with us taking Cordrea Tankersley CB from Clemsen.  I don't think ive even seen this name mentioned. 

Edited February 15 by usmccharles

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

But like I said before... Garropolo is a one year rental at this point. You aren't 100% sure he will resign. Also while Garropolo has had success it has been in limited games when even Brissett has looked fantastic in as well. You have to wonder if it is actually the player or the system. The Texans made a huge mistake last year with Osweiler in limited action. If the Browns are smart they keep trading back. They had a solid draft last year and if they continue to trade back and stockpile picks a franchise quarterback will come along. It wouldn't be smart for them to go for Garropolo in my opinion.

he's guaranteed to resign if he plays well - the browns have so much cap room that they can make him the highest paid qb or if not they can franchise him like Washington with cousins - it's only a rental if he plays badly - the brissett thing is different because the patriots were very limited offensively with brissett vs garropolo - brisssett is not a player who will probably ever be a starter but garropolo showed in his starts and in preseason games that he commands the team in a way that suggests he's not a fluke

brock and garropolo are two different beasts - osweiler showed next to nothing in terms of good qb play he just happened to be a better qb than peyton manning when he fell off the cliff - garropolo was legitimately playing like the best player on the field in his starts

and the browns don't need more picks they have so many rookies and young players it's stupid - they need playmakers and game changers hence why they are about to throw ridiculous money at terrell pryor, they have already locked up jamie collins and had 15 rookies on their opening 53 last year

you are right though that next year looks like a better year to take a flyer on qb prospects because the talent level looks better - but i do find it funny when people reference how little a player (like jimmy g) has played but suggest a rookie qb might be a better option despite the fact that they havent even been in an nfl preseason game or training camp

[rossihunter2]

26 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Sidenote, PFF just released a mock with us taking Cordrea Tankersley CB from Clemsen.  I don't think ive even seen this name mentioned. 

not a legitimate first round pick - i personally dont like him as a second rounder either - of the cbs i've ranked so far he is 2nd last

Edited February 15 by rossihunter2

[Prino61]

Mel Kiper Mock Draft 2.0

 

16. Baltimore Ravens, 8-8

Sidney Jones, CB, Washington*

The Ravens probably want to come out of the draft with more than one cornerback, so they might as well start early. Jones could add a little more muscle to his frame, but he has length and can flat-out cover, and if a QB makes a mistake he can show off hands, pluck the ball and head the other way.

[January J]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

not a legitimate first round pick - i personally dont like him as a second rounder either - of the cbs i've ranked so far he is 2nd last

Yeah he wouldn't even be on my board whatsoever. Unless he fell drastically into the  late 3rd or 4th.

Edited February 15 by January J

[usmccharles]

16

Baltimore

Leonard Fournette     LSU     RBF     Reach/Value:     +13

Height: 6'1" Weight: 230

Alternate Pick #1 Marshon Lattimore Alternate Pick #2 Dalvin Cook

It is hard to imagine a better scenario for a Ravens' franchise that has struggled without a feature back, first Jamal Lewis and then Ray Rice. Due to his nagging injuries, people forget what a special talent the Bayou Bengal is. Fournette can and should remind fans of Adrian Peterson, and he is more than capable of having an Ezekiel Elliott-esque rookie impact. Remember, this is a prospect who, as a Sophomore, had 5 games where he carried the ball 20+ times and averaged more than 7ypc, with 4 of those games being against Power 5 programs

The last two seasons, the Ravens have finished 21st and 24th in rushing yards per carry, and the franchise seems to lack a playoff recipe with the running game in such a dire condition. There is little to think about should the LSU product and way-too-early OROY front-runner be available at pick #16, should he fall this far. Marshon Lattimore and Cam Robinson would otherwise merit consideration here, but Fournette is too good to pass up.

From Drafttek.com I would be ok with this IF we resign Wagner

[RaineV1]

I feel like sites that mock a RB to the Ravens in the first didn't actually watch any of our games, especially not the ones Dixon was starting in. Dixon has everything needed to be a feature back in the NFL, and West and Juice compliment him well enough. The problem was the blocking and having an OC that just wasn't calling run plays.

[Number23]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I feel like sites that mock a RB to the Ravens in the first didn't actually watch any of our games, especially not the ones Dixon was starting in. Dixon has everything needed to be a feature back in the NFL, and West and Juice compliment him well enough. The problem was the blocking and having an OC that just wasn't calling run plays.

I think the problem is that Ozzie said we wanted to add a RB, and everyone assumed that means we're gonna draft 6 of them.
(Personally I don't wanna take one in the first either with the DB/OLB talent that's available)

[terps85]

On 2/13/2017 at 1:49 AM, ellicottraven said:

I'm going to lay out a few names I wouldn't mind in the first round. All realistic hopefully depending on how many QBs go before us. Dalvin Cook. Quincy Wilson, Taco Charleton, Teez Tabor, Corey Davis. Lucky if these guys are avaiable and we should pounce - Rueben Foster, Mike Williams, Marcus Lattimore, Solomon Thomas or maybe even Fournette ( all unlikely but one can always hope and pray)!

Hopefully his leg is better by now  (Marcus is the running back from South Carolina whose leg snapped in half).  I would probably add McKinley and Tim Williams.  I personally think CB or EDGE is a lock.

[RavensDieHard21]

13 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I wouldn't be upset with the pick but I also wouldn't be thrilled. I don't know why but I don't like his film. 

I was never a huge fan of his film, but he is a different breed of pass rusher. There are three kinds of rushers. Bull rushers, speed rushers and a blended technique specialist. I prefer speed rushers because obviously speed kills, just look at Von Miller, but Suggs coming out was never fast or overly strong, but was technically sound as it got. 

I see Barnett as that exact guy. He is crafty and uses his hands well. Has a natural bend that allows him to come off the edge effortlessly. He never looks off balance. He is also very discipline in run duties and has been used to drop back in zone. Barnett at 16 is a dream like scenario. 

[RavensDieHard21]

10 hours ago, January J said:

We really need 3 qbs to go before our pick. Then we're all but guaranteed  a top notch playmaker. Very good chance Corey davis is there. Would y'all rather have him or Williams? Or would you pass on both and take Jones or Wilson? Tough call cobsidering our needs. Corner higher on the totum pole but the need for a true #1 receiver has been lurking for well over a decade.

Easily prioritizing in this order.Mike Williams, Sid jones, Davis then Wilson. These two will be very solid, reliable picks that could both develop into premier talents.