Mock Drafts from the Media

[BmoreBird22]

Matt Miller did his latest two rounder and had the Ravens going Marlon Humphrey (with Wilson/Jones still on the board) and then Tim Williams in round 2.

Draft experts and NFL analysts seem to love Marlon Humphrey.

[rossihunter2]

On 25/01/2017 at 1:24 PM, RavensDieHard21 said:

Forrest Lamp looks to be the real deal to, but at guard. Watch the Alabama tape. He was a beast out there 

i hope lamp falls to us in the 2nd because i really like him

[Davesta]

Bucky got us selecting Quincy Wilson with Derek Barnett falling to 19. I think the only cb I would take over a pass rusher like Barnett is lattimore or maybe Sidney jones 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Bucky got us selecting Quincy Wilson with Derek Barnett falling to 19. I think the only cb I would take over a pass rusher like Barnett is lattimore or maybe Sidney jones 

I might be lattimores biggest fan here and I don't even know if I'd take him over Barnett. I'd just tell Steve to fire me there because I can't make that call lol

[Edgar]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Matt Miller did his latest two rounder and had the Ravens going Marlon Humphrey (with Wilson/Jones still on the board) and then Tim Williams in round 2.

Draft experts and NFL analysts seem to love Marlon Humphrey.

I really don't see it . I would be more excited to  see him at strong safety. He will get torched on the outside.

[BmoreBird22]

45 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I really don't see it . I would be more excited to  see him at strong safety. He will get torched on the outside.

That I highly doubt. He's extremely athletic in all areas (I expect him to kill the combine) and he has excellent anticipation and awareness. Just not the most fluid/agile.

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I might be lattimores biggest fan here and I don't even know if I'd take him over Barnett. I'd just tell Steve to fire me there because I can't make that call lol

i just started watching corner tape this evening and man am i on that train with you on lattimore - ive got him as my 6th guy and barnett as my 7th though so I don't know who I'd choose either lol - i think i go with lattimore just because i feel like his ceiling is higher and i like the pass rush options in round 2 better than the corners in round 2 (marginally - they're both great classes in the top 2 rounds)

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

i just started watching corner tape this evening and man am i on that train with you on lattimore - ive got him as my 6th guy and barnett as my 7th though so I don't know who I'd choose either lol - i think i go with lattimore just because i feel like his ceiling is higher and i like the pass rush options in round 2 better than the corners in round 2 (marginally - they're both great classes in the top 2 rounds)

id have to disagree with that last statement, i think the drop off from charles harris to the guys who will be available at 48(barring tj watt falling) is far bigger than us having to "settle" for tre white, desmond king, jourdan lewis, adoree jackson, or cordrea tankersley. 

i think if you held a gun to my head, id go with barnett, simply because of how talented the 2nd and 3rd round is for cb, and that barnett has played well for multiple seasons with zero injury history(to my knowledge), lattimore was a redshirt injury guy and then exploded in his first full year, and im not usually one to hold a breakout campaign against a player, but in such a tight decision little thing like that stand out. 

we would probably regret it when jimmy gets hurt again and we lose an important game because our secondary is in shambles, but at the same time we can be relieved the following year when both suggs and doom are likely gone and we have already upgraded. so its a toss up.

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I might be lattimores biggest fan here and I don't even know if I'd take him over Barnett. I'd just tell Steve to fire me there because I can't make that call lol

Id take Barnett over Wilson 9/10 times. 

[rossihunter2]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

id have to disagree with that last statement, i think the drop off from charles harris to the guys who will be available at 48(barring tj watt falling) is far bigger than us having to "settle" for tre white, desmond king, jourdan lewis, adoree jackson, or cordrea tankersley. 

i think if you held a gun to my head, id go with barnett, simply because of how talented the 2nd and 3rd round is for cb, and that barnett has played well for multiple seasons with zero injury history(to my knowledge), lattimore was a redshirt injury guy and then exploded in his first full year, and im not usually one to hold a breakout campaign against a player, but in such a tight decision little thing like that stand out. 

we would probably regret it when jimmy gets hurt again and we lose an important game because our secondary is in shambles, but at the same time we can be relieved the following year when both suggs and doom are likely gone and we have already upgraded. so its a toss up.

i guess what i meant by that was i think there is a far higher possibility of us getting a low first round graded edge rusher than the equivalent corner even though there are probably more good corners - i also think white and jackson will almost certainly be gone by 48 (probably even in the 1st round), desmond king has a chance to go in the 1st - so the only two corners there that i think are likely to be there are tankersly and lewis (im not lewis's biggest fan upon first impressions), whereas i can see one of anderson, or williams, or charlton, (or maybe watt - but i think that's unlikely) falling because of the saturation of low first round grade edge rushers

either way i think lattimore is the better player (even if it is only marginal) so in that situation i'd want him in the first over barnett because bpa and all that

Edited January 28 by rossihunter2

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Id take Barnett over Wilson 9/10 times. 

what about lattimore though?

[JoeyFlex5]

48 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Id take Barnett over Wilson 9/10 times. 

id take barnett over wilson 11/10 times and as harbaugh says, twice on sunday. 

this was about lattimore though lol.

[PurpleReign22]

Matt Millers' last mock was a "what he's hearing/ what he expects" mock draft, and honestly i hope our interest in marlon in that situation is not anything that he's hearing, i'd be so mad if we really took him at 16, i don't even know if i like him as a prospect for us. I may be in the minority here but i really hope Lattimore falls or Wilson and we go pass rusher in the 2nd round, it doesn't seem like there are too many suitable 3-4 rushers at the top of the draft maybe so i think i'd be okay with waiting.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, PurpleReign22 said:

Matt Millers' last mock was a "what he's hearing/ what he expects" mock draft, and honestly i hope our interest in marlon in that situation is not anything that he's hearing, i'd be so mad if we really took him at 16, i don't even know if i like him as a prospect for us. I may be in the minority here but i really hope Lattimore falls or Wilson and we go pass rusher in the 2nd round, it doesn't seem like there are too many suitable 3-4 rushers at the top of the draft maybe so i think i'd be okay with waiting.

youre definitely not in the minority in not wanting humphrey at 16 and preferring sidney or lattimore, thats almost a unanimous opinion around here. not sure i agree with the notion that there arent any good 34 edge guys at 16 though. TJ Watt and Charles Harris are excellent fits, and they are considered to be lower value than 16 but i personally dont see it, id be ok with either of them as long as we wouldnt be passing on lattimore.

[PurpleReign22]

i like Harris he looks really fast off the ball and has a pretty sick counter spin move if we took him i probably wouldn't be too pressed over it, anyone but Takk please he just looks so raw and unimpressive when i watched his play, i haven't seen much of Watt all i know of is what i've read on here and some opinions of scouts on twitter that weren't high on him at all. If he's even half of what JJ is though sign me up.

[JoeyFlex5]

32 minutes ago, PurpleReign22 said:

i like Harris he looks really fast off the ball and has a pretty sick counter spin move if we took him i probably wouldn't be too pressed over it, anyone but Takk please he just looks so raw and unimpressive when i watched his play, i haven't seen much of Watt all i know of is what i've read on here and some opinions of scouts on twitter that weren't high on him at all. If he's even half of what JJ is though sign me up.

tj watt is an unfinished and unproven product, but hes got a lot to like. for starters hes got great length, good burst off the line, good violent style of play, uses his hands with authority to benchpress and rip blockers quickly, hes got one of the better noses for the ball in the class, its impressive the way he just moves through traffic and never gets pushed off his path by the clutter in the box, great closing speed and pursuit, hes 6'5" but has good bend and balance around the edge and plays loose and limber, plays somewhat light on his feet but he plays so strong that its hard for him to have superb agility. great intensity and swagger and will really bring something for the rest of the D to feed off of.

downsides: decent but not elite burst, unproven with only 1 year of real production, still needs to work on the finer parts of his game, his hands are strong and violent but he doesnt do well keeping blockers hands off, its either punch/rip or just engage for him. bend is decent but youd like to see more of it from a guy his height. needs to pack on a lot of weight, at least 10 lbs, 15-20 would be preferable and with him lacking "elite" burst you really hope he doesnt lose a step from doing that. 

overall the kids a great football player, that much is evident, but he does have question marks. for me i will give him the benefit of the doubt because he seems to have real passion for the game and i would hope the work ethic runs in the family, if thats the case then TJ is another blue chip edge defender. but thats a big IF because JJ has all-time great work ethic and hes got a lot of work to do, but he is no slouch. only concern is that if he doesnt have a great work ethic he could have a low ceiling, which i highly doubt.

[JoeyFlex5]

foxsports latest mock draft has tennessee taking tabor 5th. 

what are these media outlets seeing from this guy, seriously man, who out there that actually watches film on these guys is calling him anything close to a top 10 prospect?

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

foxsports latest mock draft has tennessee taking tabor 5th. 

what are these media outlets seeing from this guy, seriously man, who out there that actually watches film on these guys is calling him anything close to a top 10 prospect?

I think it's the ball skills. They're pretty close to second to none. 

I don't prefer Tabor, but then again, it is Fox Sports. Not really sure how reputable they are.

[BmoreBird22]

On the subject of Marlon Humphrey, I finally got around to really watching him and I feel like the opinions on here are way too biased and strong and very parroted. 

I understand he doesn't have the most fluid or agile hips and that he can sometimes get beat by a receiver with a lot of suddenness (Brown, Edelman), but he's got excellent length, height, weight, and I expect him to kill the 40/vert/broad. I think he will surprise people with his cone drills and shuttles. I think he's a lot more fluid than given credit for. I think he's very average in that department with most people thinking of him solely as well below average.

He's got the ability to just line up with a number one receiver and press and ride them down the field. He's also got very plus anticipation and awareness. He seems to understand his limitations with change of direction and reads his receiver so well to already be a step ahead of his man to really beat them to the spot of the ball. I really like that. He's heady and can play press, zone, and off because of his awareness and anticipation. 

Would I want him at 16? Over a Barnett/Wilson/Jones? No, definitely not. However, let's say those three are gone after a run on corners. I think you could do a lot worse than Humphrey.

Cross over from the DB Thread because he's being discussed here as well.

[JoeyFlex5]

21 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think it's the ball skills. They're pretty close to second to none. 

I don't prefer Tabor, but then again, it is Fox Sports. Not really sure how reputable they are.

ill give him the ball skills, but when you jump every damn stutter step the receiver makes your bound to have a lot of picks lol. 

13 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

On the subject of Marlon Humphrey, I finally got around to really watching him and I feel like the opinions on here are way too biased and strong and very parroted. 

I understand he doesn't have the most fluid or agile hips and that he can sometimes get beat by a receiver with a lot of suddenness (Brown, Edelman), but he's got excellent length, height, weight, and I expect him to kill the 40/vert/broad. I think he will surprise people with his cone drills and shuttles. I think he's a lot more fluid than given credit for. I think he's very average in that department with most people thinking of him solely as well below average.

He's got the ability to just line up with a number one receiver and press and ride them down the field. He's also got very plus anticipation and awareness. He seems to understand his limitations with change of direction and reads his receiver so well to already be a step ahead of his man to really beat them to the spot of the ball. I really like that. He's heady and can play press, zone, and off because of his awareness and anticipation. 

Would I want him at 16? Over a Barnett/Wilson/Jones? No, definitely not. However, let's say those three are gone after a run on corners. I think you could do a lot worse than Humphrey.

Cross over from the DB Thread because he's being discussed here as well.

ill agree with all of this but i just dont like his skill set. im not too big on corners who dont turn their hips well, corners with stiff or slow hips are probably the most susceptible to the whole route tree. im also not a fan of corners who just press and dont do very well outside of that. i understand the potential but i see a really risky player and maybe even a "project". 

say other teams find him as risky of a prospect as i do and he falls to 48... welcome aboard, but thats about as likely as myles garrett falling falling to our first pick so its moot.

[BmoreBird22]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ill give him the ball skills, but when you jump every damn stutter step the receiver makes your bound to have a lot of picks lol. 

ill agree with all of this but i just dont like his skill set. im not too big on corners who dont turn their hips well, corners with stiff or slow hips are probably the most susceptible to the whole route tree. im also not a fan of corners who just press and dont do very well outside of that. i understand the potential but i see a really risky player and maybe even a "project". 

say other teams find him as risky of a prospect as i do and he falls to 48... welcome aboard, but thats about as likely as myles garrett falling falling to our first pick so its moot.

I see a less grabby, more well rounded Trae Waynes. 

[ravensnation5220]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ill give him the ball skills, but when you jump every damn stutter step the receiver makes your bound to have a lot of picks lol. 

ill agree with all of this but i just dont like his skill set. im not too big on corners who dont turn their hips well, corners with stiff or slow hips are probably the most susceptible to the whole route tree. im also not a fan of corners who just press and dont do very well outside of that. i understand the potential but i see a really risky player and maybe even a "project". 

say other teams find him as risky of a prospect as i do and he falls to 48... welcome aboard, but thats about as likely as myles garrett falling falling to our first pick so its moot.

I think Humphrey has better hips than you give him credit for, if you look back at the tape youl see he swivels his hips very well for a guy his size and he's quick on his feet as well. He's not as clunky in his transition as Wilson is. The issue I see with Humphrey is finding the ball in the air. He just seems to have issues staying close to the receiver when the ball travels 20 yards downfield. It seems he panics and gets away from his technique. The first 10 yards of coverage however is where he really stands out, he's as good as anyone within the first 10 yards of coverage

With safety help over the top I think he can do very well in the NFL. I just wouldn't stick him on an island just yet, but with time he could develop into one of the best cover men in the league. He has all the tools to do so. 

[hn68wb4]

I genuinely don't think I could hate the "Ozzie loves his 'Bama players!" argument any more than I do. It's always used to justify us taking any Alabama player when in reality over the past 6 years we've only taken 3 total, and compare that to their utter dominance in college FB in recent history that is pretty damn low. I hate that that's always the only argument given, not "he's the best player on the board" or anything, just they're a Bama player so the chances that Ozzie taking them suddenly goes up by at least 200%.

I just saw Walterfootball give us Cam Robinson and give that explanation. I think of all the picks that I see get mocked to us, Robinson is by far my least favorite, and not just because I think we'd be fools to let Wagner walk, I just don't like Robinson as a player in general. Then the rest of the mock isn't any better for us, it's Cam Robinson - Carroll Phillips - Chris Godwin - Dalvin Tomlinson, honestly this is my least favorite realistic draft that I've seen in quite some time. No CB/S in the first 4 rounds, I can't see Phillips as BPA in the second over some guys still on the board, just not much a fan of Godwin to begin with, I don't mind Tomlinson but I think DT is kind of an overrated need, not as pressing as some make it out to be considering we're getting Carl Davis and Willie Henry back next year - sure both are pretty much unproven but they've both got tons of potential and haven't gotten much of a chance yet.

Edited February 2 by hn68wb4

[allblackraven]

21 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I genuinely don't think I could hate the "Ozzie loves his 'Bama players!" argument any more than I do. It's always used to justify us taking any Alabama player when in reality over the past 6 years we've only taken 3 total, and compare that to their utter dominance in college FB in recent history that is pretty damn low. I hate that that's always the only argument given, not "he's the best player on the board" or anything, just they're a Bama player so the chances that Ozzie taking them suddenly goes up by at least 200%.

Couldn't agree more. That is by far the dumbest argument ever, given that Ozzie drafted 7 Alabama players since the birth of the Ravens.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Couldn't agree more. That is by far the dumbest argument ever, given that Ozzie drafted 7 Alabama players since the birth of the Ravens.

In the past decade or so though we have taken them high. Cody, upshaw, Mosley. That's by far more than any school in the first 2 rounds. 

I don't like the argument myself but there is some validity to it, I just think the bama players we take high happen to be our "BPA" at that point.

although I have to wonder if we take Cody or upshaw if not for them being from Alabama. I do think Ozzie may have a tendency to look more deeply into Alabama players because he probably has relationships with some people down there, and develops a bias from time to time. 

[ravensnation5220]

Hey random question but, what does the "days won" thing mean on my profile?

[RavensDieHard21]

My least favorite picks by far are Robinson, Adoree Jackson and Humphrey. There is no value at 16 for any of those picks. 

I would literally without trading back rather take Tim Williams, Charles Harris, Budda Baker, Dan Feeney, or even John Ross lmao

 

[RavensDieHard21]

Odd thing is that usually the first wave or two of mocks usually give us a couple of players to look out for that we will likely take, depending on the combine, I have a gut feeling it will be Quincy Wilson.

I won't be mad at all with the pick, but I wouldn't get too excited until I seen him hit the field. 

[hn68wb4]

46 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

My least favorite picks by far are Robinson, Adoree Jackson and Humphrey. There is no value at 16 for any of those picks. 

I would literally without trading back rather take Tim Williams, Charles Harris, Budda Baker, Dan Feeney, or even John Ross lmao

 

I can see Humphrey if Wilson is gone, I like Jones much more than both but Humphrey gets more hate than he really deserves. He's certainly not a finished product but he defended Mike Williams really well in the national championship, Williams just made a few circus catches. He isn't anywhere near my first choice but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. I think I'd honestly take Humphrey over Tim Williams and maybe Harris - I'm not a big Harris fan - and I know it was a joke but I'd take a heck of a lot of players over Ross.

[JoeyFlex5]

Charlie has us taking cam Robinson again. 

Cant say I'd hate it, I would actually love the pick under one condition: he turns out to be a better GUARD than feeney and that's where we line him up, and then Lewis is a very good RT. That's a lot of ifs though. 

And this is just based on what I've read about him, I haven't watched any of his film