2017 edge rusher

[RavensDieHard21]

With Suggs and Doom being our edge guys still--assuming doom takes a pay cut, we are going to need to add the heir to the throne. Waiting until the third will not cut it. 

I'm praying we take either Barnett or Harris at 16. 

Mid we trade back to the end of the round then I would not hate taking Anderson or maybe even McKinley. 

My he most ideal situation would be to take BPA at 16 then make a move for and Edge guy in the second. Grabbing Wilson, Sidney Jones or even a Cook or Thomas would be awesome especially if we can follow those up with TJ Watt, Lawson, Anderson, or Harris. 

[Jacquouille]

Jordan Willis is a name to follow. He's every bit as good as Harold Landry.

[RaineV1]

10 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

With Suggs and Doom being our edge guys still--assuming doom takes a pay cut, we are going to need to add the heir to the throne. Waiting until the third will not cut it. 

I'm praying we take either Barnett or Harris at 16. 

Mid we trade back to the end of the round then I would not hate taking Anderson or maybe even McKinley. 

My he most ideal situation would be to take BPA at 16 then make a move for and Edge guy in the second. Grabbing Wilson, Sidney Jones or even a Cook or Thomas would be awesome especially if we can follow those up with TJ Watt, Lawson, Anderson, or Harris. 

I think Harris at 16 or trading down for TJ Watt in the early twenties would be perfect for the first round.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I think Harris at 16 or trading down for TJ Watt in the early twenties would be perfect for the first round.

For a while I thought cb in the first was the best route but that was until Harold Landry backed out and Ryan Anderson blew up his stock. The 2nd round now doesn't appear to have too much for edge rushers. 

Cb in the first still might be the best option unless Barnett is there. I think Barnett is the best "guarantee" edge rusher after Garrett, but if it's between Harris and Quincy Wilson or Sidney jones I'm taking the cbs. Wouldn't be mad with Harris though. 

Also, is watt bigger than what he's listed at? That boy plays way too strong and looks too big to be in the 240s

[RavensDieHard21]

19 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

For a while I thought cb in the first was the best route but that was until Harold Landry backed out and Ryan Anderson blew up his stock. The 2nd round now doesn't appear to have too much for edge rushers. 

Cb in the first still might be the best option unless Barnett is there. I think Barnett is the best "guarantee" edge rusher after Garrett, but if it's between Harris and Quincy Wilson or Sidney jones I'm taking the cbs. Wouldn't be mad with Harris though. 

Also, is watt bigger than what he's listed at? That boy plays way too strong and looks too big to be in the 240s

I agree 100% Barnett is a no brainer. If he is there after 12 we need to make a move bc I don't think he survives past Indy. 

If not, Wilson and Jones are far more rounded prospects that you know will immediately make the team better. Harris at 16 is just tough. I could only justify it if a huge rush on pass rushers happened and if still be for trading back first. 

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

For a while I thought cb in the first was the best route but that was until Harold Landry backed out and Ryan Anderson blew up his stock. The 2nd round now doesn't appear to have too much for edge rushers. 

Cb in the first still might be the best option unless Barnett is there. I think Barnett is the best "guarantee" edge rusher after Garrett, but if it's between Harris and Quincy Wilson or Sidney jones I'm taking the cbs. Wouldn't be mad with Harris though. 

Also, is watt bigger than what he's listed at? That boy plays way too strong and looks too big to be in the 240s

I'm thinking his official listing is just old. Some college websites just really aren't good at updating information for player sizes. He'll probably be around 250 at the combine.

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I agree 100% Barnett is a no brainer. If he is there after 12 we need to make a move bc I don't think he survives past Indy. 

If not, Wilson and Jones are far more rounded prospects that you know will immediately make the team better. Harris at 16 is just tough. I could only justify it if a huge rush on pass rushers happened and if still be for trading back first. 

The thing is, after the first round we won't find anyone even close to Harris' caliber, and next year aside from Judon (and even he wasn't great) we don't have anyone on the team that can get decent pass rush. Not to mention that we're more likely to find decent corners later on than we are to find edge guys.

Also, with Williams' issues, Harris in the mid teens as the third edge guy in the draft feels like good value to me. Garret will be gone at 1 and Barnett is a top ten guy now.

[hn68wb4]

6 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Jordan Willis is a name to follow. He's every bit as good as Harold Landry.

I have to disagree on that one, Landry is just a natural pass rusher and everytime I've watched Willis I've been thoroughly unimpressed

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm starting to really like tj watt, so much so that I'd take him at 16, not my first option but I actually might have a hard time taking Charles Harris or possibly even Barnett over him. The more I watch the more I like. It could possibly be his seriously intense energy that's making me see him differently. That's a guy who gets the team rallied and fired up just by playing with intensity. 

He looks the part of a playmaker, complete player, and an unquestioned emotional leader. Something none of the other edge rushers have as a total package

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm starting to really like tj watt, so much so that I'd take him at 16, not my first option but I actually might have a hard time taking Charles Harris or possibly even Barnett over him. The more I watch the more I like. It could possibly be his seriously intense energy that's making me see him differently. That's a guy who gets the team rallied and fired up just by playing with intensity. 

He looks the part of a playmaker, complete player, and an unquestioned emotional leader. Something none of the other edge rushers have as a total package

if anything my initial impressions were the opposite and i kind of softened the other way - i need to go back to the tape because i havent watched any for a week or so this all might change

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

if anything my initial impressions were the opposite and i kind of softened the other way - i need to go back to the tape because i havent watched any for a week or so this all might change

i wasnt very impressed on him at first, ill admit i saw him listed somewhere at like 240 which put a resounding hell no in my head and his burst and bend seemed average. but after watching some more there is no way he is 240, he plays too strong and looks way too big for that, and his burst is good enough but his functional strength and pursuit are off the charts, he sheds blocks great, he plays with excellent hands and agility, and just has a great nose for the ball, to top it all off the guy takes center stage on the field, his intensity is great and hes really fun to watch and we just dont have a guy like that anymore, suggs commands everyones respect but watt plays with an intensity that affects everyone around him and gives his defense a swagger to make offenses fear it.

[mazlak315]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm starting to really like tj watt, so much so that I'd take him at 16, not my first option but I actually might have a hard time taking Charles Harris or possibly even Barnett over him. The more I watch the more I like. It could possibly be his seriously intense energy that's making me see him differently. That's a guy who gets the team rallied and fired up just by playing with intensity. 

He looks the part of a playmaker, complete player, and an unquestioned emotional leader. Something none of the other edge rushers have as a total package

the more i watch the more i agree...or maybe im just not as high on harris anymore. watt is the all around better player for sure, but if ozzie really wants the go-to rusher, id take harris. the one glaring flaw of harris that i see right now... is that when the run comes straight at him and he's not diving into the backfield he cant hold his gap. with his frame im sure he can continue to add the strength to hand in there but it hurts to watch such an intense player just get driven back like that

[hn68wb4]

At the East/West Shrine game Ejuan Price measured in at 5'10", I knew he was short but I didn't expect that short. Good news is that he's got giant hands and a reach comparable to the other guys there that are at the same position regardless of height.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

At the East/West Shrine game Ejuan Price measured in at 5'10", I knew he was short but I didn't expect that short. Good news is that he's got giant hands and a reach comparable to the other guys there that are at the same position regardless of height.

Elvis dumervil clone.  

[Willbacker]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Elvis dumervil clone.  

Alright got another name for you. Taco Charlton. Seems to have decent outside speed but what I've really liked is his presence against the run. He's around 270lbs and reminds me of Suggs. I really like the combination of him and Tredavius White in the 1st 2 rds.

[rossihunter2]

55 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Alright got another name for you. Taco Charlton. Seems to have decent outside speed but what I've really liked is his presence against the run. He's around 270lbs and reminds me of Suggs. I really like the combination of him and Tredavius White in the 1st 2 rds.

I'm not sure I would feel comfortable taking either of them at 16 - I feel like there'd be better pass rushers and corners at that spot

[JoeyFlex5]

55 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Alright got another name for you. Taco Charlton. Seems to have decent outside speed but what I've really liked is his presence against the run. He's around 270lbs and reminds me of Suggs. I really like the combination of him and Tredavius White in the 1st 2 rds.

i dont like him at all for us, i would take him in the 2nd round but i woudnt sniff the guy in the first. 

burst off the line - average at best 

speed around the edge - average, sometimes slightly above average 

bend and flexibility in the pass rush - average at best 

he plays strong and physical but i just dont see nearly enough pass rush ability to warrant taking him 16th. if we were the saints or colts or something picking in this area id sing a different tune, but for what we want/need, no way.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i dont like him at all for us, i would take him in the 2nd round but i woudnt sniff the guy in the first. 

burst off the line - average at best 

speed around the edge - average, sometimes slightly above average 

bend and flexibility in the pass rush - average at best 

he plays strong and physical but i just dont see nearly enough pass rush ability to warrant taking him 16th. if we were the saints or colts or something picking in this area id sing a different tune, but for what we want/need, no way.

To add to this, Charlton played in the 3-4 a bit in Michigan, and struggled. A new DC came in, they went back to 4-3 and he did well again. I don't think he's suited to be a 3-4 edge guy. He's best as a 4-3 DE.

[mazlak315]

20 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

To add to this, Charlton played in the 3-4 a bit in Michigan, and struggled. A new DC came in, they went back to 4-3 and he did well again. I don't think he's suited to be a 3-4 edge guy. He's best as a 4-3 DE.

yeah definitely not an edge guy from what ive been seeing

Even Thomas who can still excel on the edge at the next level, some of his best production came when he was putting pressure on the interior

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

To add to this, Charlton played in the 3-4 a bit in Michigan, and struggled. A new DC came in, they went back to 4-3 and he did well again. I don't think he's suited to be a 3-4 edge guy. He's best as a 4-3 DE.

Now I DO think with 20lbs or so(if possible) he could be an excellent 34DE. He's got the size and raw power to anchor down but he would be a pass rush machine as a 5T with an OLB outside. 

All this to say... there are a million better routes we could go.

[ravensnation5220]

I've been noticing solomon Thomas is more consistently being regarded as a top 15 draft pick. I honestly can't think of a much better prospect we could get than him. Unless a miracle happens and we land hooker or Adams 

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

I've been noticing solomon Thomas is more consistently being regarded as a top 15 draft pick. I honestly can't think of a much better prospect we could get than him. Unless a miracle happens and we land hooker or Adams 

With Thomas you would need a spectacular athlete and freakish strength kinda guy to warrant such a high pick. He is a 3tech through and through imo, I don't see an OLB or a 5T at all with him. If he's not looking like Aaron Donald on film I don't want him.  I just don't think we can take a tweener on the DL in the first. 

Unless you're a pure 43 team you shouldn't have a top 16 grade on him imo 

[mazlak315]

7 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I've been noticing solomon Thomas is more consistently being regarded as a top 15 draft pick. I honestly can't think of a much better prospect we could get than him. Unless a miracle happens and we land hooker or Adams 

i dont know how well he will translate to being on the outside full time though in terms of pass rush production. when stanford did put him out on the edge he wasnt nearly productive as he was at end, his primary spot

[mazlak315]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

With Thomas you would need a spectacular athlete and freakish strength kinda guy to warrant such a high pick. He is a 3tech through and through imo, I don't see an OLB or a 5T at all with him. If he's not looking like Aaron Donald on film I don't want him.  I just don't think we can take a tweener on the DL in the first. 

Unless you're a pure 43 team you shouldn't have a top 16 grade on him imo 

bringing up the same point, but while i do see the flashes of donald, i just dont think he can put on the appropriate weight to have the same effect at the next level inside

[RaineV1]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I've been noticing solomon Thomas is more consistently being regarded as a top 15 draft pick. I honestly can't think of a much better prospect we could get than him. Unless a miracle happens and we land hooker or Adams 

I think Thomas could be a great defensive end for a 4-3 team, who can kick inside on obvious passing downs. He'd be great for someone like the Saints.

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I think Thomas could be a great defensive end for a 4-3 team, who can kick inside on obvious passing downs. He'd be great for someone like the Saints.

Michael Bennett 2.0

[Willbacker]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i dont like him at all for us, i would take him in the 2nd round but i woudnt sniff the guy in the first. 

burst off the line - average at best 

speed around the edge - average, sometimes slightly above average 

bend and flexibility in the pass rush - average at best 

he plays strong and physical but i just dont see nearly enough pass rush ability to warrant taking him 16th. if we were the saints or colts or something picking in this area id sing a different tune, but for what we want/need, no way.

Yeah I don't think he's got a lot of burst but that powerrush he could do on the interior and his run stopping abilities really impressed me. Also was thinking 2nd rd. White in 1st and Taco in 2nd. Should have clarified.

[ravensnation5220]

42 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

With Thomas you would need a spectacular athlete and freakish strength kinda guy to warrant such a high pick. He is a 3tech through and through imo, I don't see an OLB or a 5T at all with him. If he's not looking like Aaron Donald on film I don't want him.  I just don't think we can take a tweener on the DL in the first. 

Unless you're a pure 43 team you shouldn't have a top 16 grade on him imo 

I actually think you can put him anywhere on the line. He still has room to grow in his frame which is amazing. He could play really anywhere along a 3-4 except nose tackle on because he plays the run so we'll. obviously I wouldn't have him rushing the edge on passing downs even though he's shown he has some ability. Having said thay I honestly think he's a very scheme versatile player since he's labeled as a tweener for a defensive lineman. On every film I've watched from him he's unblockable, he's so quick inside and uses his hands extremely well. 

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Yeah I don't think he's got a lot of burst but that powerrush he could do on the interior and his run stopping abilities really impressed me. Also was thinking 2nd rd. White in 1st and Taco in 2nd. Should have clarified.

Taco is likely a first rounder and white is a consensus mid to late second, so that wouldn't make sense

 

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I actually think you can put him anywhere on the line. He still has room to grow in his frame which is amazing. He could play really anywhere along a 3-4 except nose tackle on because he plays the run so we'll. obviously I wouldn't have him rushing the edge on passing downs even though he's shown he has some ability. Having said thay I honestly think he's a very scheme versatile player since he's labeled as a tweener for a defensive lineman. On every film I've watched from him he's unblockable, he's so quick inside and uses his hands extremely well. 

I agree with all of this except for the 34 part. I don't think he's an edge rusher at the next level, his pursuit and burst are good but he lacks the bend to make an edge rush work. 

And for the ravens he is far too much of a tweener and an experiment. Not my cup of tea with the shape this team is in

[Willbacker]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Taco is likely a first rounder and white is a consensus mid to late second, so that wouldn't make sense

 

I agree with all of this except for the 34 part. I don't think he's an edge rusher at the next level, his pursuit and burst are good but he lacks the bend to make an edge rush work. 

And for the ravens he is far too much of a tweener and an experiment. Not my cup of tea with the shape this team is in

Huh. Didn't realize White was rated that low and Taco that high. Talk about wicked curveballs.

[ravensnation5220]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Taco is likely a first rounder and white is a consensus mid to late second, so that wouldn't make sense

 

I agree with all of this except for the 34 part. I don't think he's an edge rusher at the next level, his pursuit and burst are good but he lacks the bend to make an edge rush work. 

And for the ravens he is far too much of a tweener and an experiment. Not my cup of tea with the shape this team is in

Not all edge rushers need to have great bend to be successful. Like I said I wouldn't use him much outside yet but inside nobody is going to block him. He's too fast and too strong for gaurds to handle. He's a great character and worker and remember he's still a red shirt sophomore. Plus I'm not sure what to think of jernigan anymore....i almost forgot he was on the team the second half of this season