2017 edge rusher

[RavensDieHard21]

8 hours ago, Darhk_Raven said:

On a trade back how far would you be willing to trade back and try to still land Harris?

I'd say early 20s. Anyone that is in the 20-25 range would be ideal. Grab a third or fourth for it then potentially bundle the thirds to move up in the second--not likely, but Ozzie is good at finding quality starters in he mid rounds. 

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, Darhk_Raven said:

On a trade back how far would you be willing to trade back and try to still land Harris?

The thing about that is you could likely trade back and have a fail safe fallback plan which addresses both a major need and would fall in the blue chip BPA category. 

You can have Charles harris, Sidney jones, Corey Davis and tim williams all remaining on the board, trade back 10 whole spots for a boatload of picks and still land possibly one of the guys listed above or worst case scenario one of feeney or Nelson is still there and we add one of the 2 Best guards since Zack martin and get an extra 2nd and possibly an extra 3rd. 

[Jacquouille]

46 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Really, since when?

Apparently it's a Mike Zimmer thing. Trae Waynes had a similar treatment, and Alexander is experiencing that too.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think Carl Lawson is in the cards for us at least not early due to his injuries. Steve mentioned how injures are a bigger concern than other concerns to an extent so I felt like that shutdown that possibility 

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't think Carl Lawson is in the cards for us at least not early due to his injuries. Steve mentioned how injures are a bigger concern than other concerns to an extent so I felt like that shutdown that possibility 

I don't think we take him because if he drops low enough for us to consider him, then his injury issues are probably more significant than the media know if no other team takes the risk

[JonnyBaltimore]

Is it me or if the 2017 Class in general is weak in the Offensive line, then these pass rushers are slightly overrated in this draft? 

Just a thought.

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

Is it me or if the 2017 Class in general is weak in the Offensive line, then these pass rushers are slightly overrated in this draft? 

Just a thought.

They don't just play each other though, they do play against good lineman who aren't eligible this year and for most of them there will be tape against last year's linemen as well (a pretty great year for linemen) but I guess it is something to bare in mind when looking at this year's tape - that's not to say there aren't good linemen in this draft just maybe no elite guys at the top like last year

[ravensnation5220]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

They don't just play each other though, they do play against good lineman who aren't eligible this year and for most of them there will be tape against last year's linemen as well (a pretty great year for linemen) but I guess it is something to bare in mind when looking at this year's tape - that's not to say there aren't good linemen in this draft just maybe no elite guys at the top like last year

True statement. Also have to look at how this class fared against last year's prospects and like you said the ones who declare next year. 

Although this oline class seems weak the interior oline seems pretty strong in my eyes. There's good quality at the top and depth as well

[ravensnation5220]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I don't think we take him because if he drops low enough for us to consider him, then his injury issues are probably more significant than the media know if no other team takes the risk

Have you ever noticed how oddly built he is too? Kinda reminds me of Oakman from Baylor even though they're 2 totally different players but their body's are similar. Waste down he looks like he's running on toothpicks 

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Have you ever noticed how oddly built he is too? Kinda reminds me of Oakman from Baylor even though they're 2 totally different players but their body's are similar. Waste down he looks like he's running on toothpicks 

Never skip leg day, son.

[ravensnation5220]

 

Been waiting for this one. I put it on the edge rusher thread because I thought it'd get more views than on the d line thread. He's a tweeter label anyways

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

 

Been waiting for this one. I put it on the edge rusher thread because I thought it'd get more views than on the d line thread. He's a tweeter label anyways

He's a legit ball player. High IQ, motor, strong against the run but I don't know if he could stand up and play in a 3-4 trying to picki hybrid player or out of scheme guys doesn't seem like it would work. Makes the curve harder and we need immediate results. 

Mad happy as I am with Stanley, I wish we got Bosa. The kid had 10.5 sacks his rookie year as the primary rusher. Stanley had more value because of the lack of premier LTs but that was a legit rusher within our reach. 

[JO_75]

 

Walter Football posted that Tim Williams has failed multiple drug tests and could have Randy Gregory type of issues. He could slip to Round 2 much like Gregory. Though if Gregory has shown anything, Williams could drop further.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill/article/Teams Think Tim Williams Could Slip to Round 2

[ravensnation5220]

28 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

 

Walter Football posted that Tim Williams has failed multiple drug tests and could have Randy Gregory type of issues. He could slip to Round 2 much like Gregory. Though if Gregory has shown anything, Williams could drop further.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill/article/Teams Think Tim Williams Could Slip to Round 2

I really had a feeling this would come out eventually. Hearing him speak, the area in which he comes from, and the fact that he was caught with a gun and weed, just like cam robinson, struck me as a red flag. If he passes the combine drug test it's probably not as big a problem but if it's a Randy Gregory type issue them it wouldn't shock me if he failed or had a diluted sample. 

What strikes me about these prospects isn't the weed problem because weed isn't addictive by any means. If they keep making this same mistake then it's not a drug issue but rather a lifestyle they just don't want to give up and that's what makes it a bigger issue. 

[JoeyFlex5]

37 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

 

Walter Football posted that Tim Williams has failed multiple drug tests and could have Randy Gregory type of issues. He could slip to Round 2 much like Gregory. Though if Gregory has shown anything, Williams could drop further.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill/article/Teams Think Tim Williams Could Slip to Round 2

if this is true then we need to take williams off the board until at least round 6. we find quality players all the way up until then, 6 and 7 are mostly flyers. 

im fine with him carrying a gun which he legally owns, im fine with a petty possession of marijuana or a single failed test, however, when you add all those up it doesnt show that hes a gun toting thug, or a stoner that cant put it down, it shows BAD JUDGEMENT and BAD DECISION MAKING, which is worse than either of the former 2 from a FO's point of view.

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, JO_75 said:

 

Walter Football posted that Tim Williams has failed multiple drug tests and could have Randy Gregory type of issues. He could slip to Round 2 much like Gregory. Though if Gregory has shown anything, Williams could drop further.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill/article/Teams Think Tim Williams Could Slip to Round 2

How disappointing.  I can handle an issue here or there, but if it's a consistent problem, I'm not interested.  It's a shame because there is so much talent there.

[rossihunter2]

59 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

How disappointing.  I can handle an issue here or there, but if it's a consistent problem, I'm not interested.  It's a shame because there is so much talent there.

The failed drugs tests really do change things if they're true - it's disappointing because I thought he had a real shot at being there at 16 and being value there too

[Boddiebroadus]

I watched the Harris vs West Virginia tape. In his tape he played much better against the run and showed some power using his speed. Now he still didn't play "hard" on every down but what I saw made me change my mind on him. I think I'd rather have him than takk. Plus he could be a trade down candidate. 

 

[RaineV1]

I think Williams' problems now moves Harris up to being the second edge rusher taken in the draft.

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I think Williams' problems now moves Harris up to being the second edge rusher taken in the draft.

3rd. don't forget myles garrett and barnett are the top 2

[ravensnation5220]

How come not all college websites show the majors of their athletes. Some colleges do but not all, why is that? I'm really curious to see what players like Tim williams, and Quincy Wilson

I know Charles Harris majored in biology and in an interview he talked about how important that was to him which is very admirable for an athlete to take his education just as seriously. I think that shows maturity, responsibility and a good work ethic to be successful in life

[BmoreBird22]

On 1/10/2017 at 9:33 AM, Jacquouille said:

Is Ryan Anderson this year's Kevin Dodd?

To be fair, Dodd was a force for the entire season in 2015. He just gained recognition for most people after that game against Alabama.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

3rd. don't forget myles garrett and barnett are the top 2

Oh, right. I nearly forgot about Garrett since he's barely mentioned.

[ravensnation5220]

9 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Oh, right. I nearly forgot about Garrett since he's barely mentioned.

Lol i know me too

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

To be fair, Dodd was a force for the entire season in 2015. He just gained recognition for most people after that game against Alabama.

That's unfair because Anderson was plain dominant this season and his stats were on par with Tim's, which pretty much shows how underrated he is or was.

[hn68wb4]

5 hours ago, JO_75 said:

 

Walter Football posted that Tim Williams has failed multiple drug tests and could have Randy Gregory type of issues. He could slip to Round 2 much like Gregory. Though if Gregory has shown anything, Williams could drop further.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill/article/Teams Think Tim Williams Could Slip to Round 2

I'd say that if this comes out as true then you can bank on us not taking him, with cases like Gordon, Gregory, and Aldon we're not taking a chance on a guy that can't be trusted to stay out of trouble and on the field. He's not falling as far as it'd take for us to consider him.

[allblackraven]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

To be fair, Dodd was a force for the entire season in 2015. He just gained recognition for most people after that game against Alabama.

So was Anderson for the entire 2016. He also had incredibly productive 2015, despite the heavy rotation and very limited snaps.

On the subject of Tim Williams - very disappointing revelation. I lost all interest in seeing him drafted by the Ravens. All the talent is worth exactly zero if you can't be on the field. He might turn up OK but not worth the risk until maybe late on day 3.

[mc_red23]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

To be fair, Dodd was a force for the entire season in 2015. He just gained recognition for most people after that game against Alabama.

Guessing you haven't watched Anderson consistently?

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

I'd say that if this comes out as true then you can bank on us not taking him, with cases like Gordon, Gregory, and Aldon we're not taking a chance on a guy that can't be trusted to stay out of trouble and on the field. He's not falling as far as it'd take for us to consider him.

What is it with pass rushers lol?

[BmoreBird22]

12 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

That's unfair because Anderson was plain dominant this season and his stats were on par with Tim's, which pretty much shows how underrated he is or was.

 

12 hours ago, allblackraven said:

So was Anderson for the entire 2016. He also had incredibly productive 2015, despite the heavy rotation and very limited snaps.

 

12 hours ago, mc_red23 said:

Guessing you haven't watched Anderson consistently?

I think you all are entirely missing the point of what I said. 

Kevin Dodd was an extremely good football player for the entire 2015 season. Most people didn't know who Kevin Dodd was until the Alabama-Clemson game, unless you were a big ACC/Clemson fan. His stats were on par with Shaq Lawson's (actually identical, nearly). 

I've really liked Ryan Anderson for the entire season, but this rise is really pushing him on everyone's radar.