2017 edge rusher

[GrimCoconut]

Anderson has to be one of the top options for our 2nd round pick unless NFL teams decide he's the better talent then he'll rise and Williams will drop, which could happen due to the character issues surrounding Williams. I won't automatically put Anderson above Williams yet but this was a feather in his cap for sure. 

[rmw10]

I wouldn't overreact to one game guys.  We saw this same exact thing happen last year when Treadwell went off in the bowl game and was regarded as a top 5 possibility at the time.  That's not to say that Anderson won't rise (I've had him a bottom round 1 grade before this game), but likewise, 1 bad game likely won't make Williams completely drop either.  It's important to remember that these guys have multiple years of tape, not just this 1 game.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I wouldn't overreact to one game guys.  We saw this same exact thing happen last year when Treadwell went off in the bowl game and was regarded as a top 5 possibility at the time.  That's not to say that Anderson won't rise (I've had him a bottom round 1 grade before this game), but likewise, 1 bad game likely won't make Williams completely drop either.  It's important to remember that these guys have multiple years of tape, not just this 1 game.

exactly - this game is more likely to help anderson rise than tim williams drop

[Jacquouille]

Is Ryan Anderson this year's Kevin Dodd?

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Is Ryan Anderson this year's Kevin Dodd?

i feel differently about anderson because he's so dogged against the run as well and has been the defensive leader all year

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i feel differently about anderson because he's so dogged against the run as well and has been the defensive leader all year

I was more comparing hype, they're really not the same player. I have personnally always had a late first round grade on him.

[JoeyFlex5]

I just watched a bunch of film on Anderson. I'll take him over Williams. That game really opened my eyes. If he's there in the 2nd I don't know if I could think of a player id prefer.

[RaineV1]

With the rise of Anderson and Watt joining the fray, I think the chances have really improved that Harold Landry will be there for us in the 2nd round.

[Darhk_Raven]

38 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

With the rise of Anderson and Watt joining the fray, I think the chances have really improved that Harold Landry will be there for us in the 2nd round.

I think he announced yesterday that he's returning for his senior year. 

[RaineV1]

Just now, Darhk_Raven said:

I think he announced yesterday that he's returning for his senior year. 

Just checked and he did. Damn. He was a great edge guy to look for in the 2nd.

[Drew P]

5 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I wouldn't overreact to one game guys.  We saw this same exact thing happen last year when Treadwell went off in the bowl game and was regarded as a top 5 possibility at the time.  That's not to say that Anderson won't rise (I've had him a bottom round 1 grade before this game), but likewise, 1 bad game likely won't make Williams completely drop either.  It's important to remember that these guys have multiple years of tape, not just this 1 game.

Is it possible that MINN is worse than the Ravens at selecting 1st round WR's?

[DomMcRaven]

8 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Is it possible that MINN is worse than the Ravens at selecting 1st round WR's?

Must be a purple thing then. What a shame because I actually respect the Vikings.

[rossihunter2]

43 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Must be a purple thing then. What a shame because I actually respect the Vikings.

they got diggs though

[RavensDieHard21]

Alright so before the combine hits what are everyone's preferred edge guys that we can actually get? Who best fits the 3-4? 

Ill just eliminate Garrett because there is no way we get him.

1.) Barnett, it would be a dream. Super consist. Technical freak with everything we could really want from a pass rusher. 

2.) Charles Harris, I like that he has size and an insane first step. He plays well against the run too. 

3.) Anderson, Surprisingly, he has made me look more into his tape and he has a raven demeanor. Consistently plays with an edge and consistently makes plays. His lack of bend is worrisome, yet his hand use and motor keep him as a threat. 

4.) Williams, despite a lack luster game last night, he does show good pass rush moves and looks like a very natural rusher. He still needs more muscle though as he still looks too wirey. Plus some more tenaciousness. He had many plays where he gave up or looked unable to use a second move to disengage the blocker. 

5.) Lawson, if he stays healthy, he is a really good rusher. But it's risky to take a injury prone player. If we get him in the second it couldn't be any worse than Correa. 

6.) Watt, he has the motor and dimensions of his brother. That is a great sign. He only has one great season to his belt though. He easily needs to gain 10-15 pounds to remain effective at the next level, all while hoping it doesn't slow him down.

7.) McKinley, only one great year while being in the pac 12. He also seems more fitted for a 4-3 instead. He has a high ceiling, but I'm not sure he is the right fit. 

8.) Landry, haven't seen too much on him. 

[Darhk_Raven]

13 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Alright so before the combine hits what are everyone's preferred edge guys that we can actually get? Who best fits the 3-4? 

Ill just eliminate Garrett because there is no way we get him.

1.) Barnett, it would be a dream. Super consist. Technical freak with everything we could really want from a pass rusher. 

2.) Charles Harris, I like that he has size and an insane first step. He plays well against the run too. 

3.) Anderson, Surprisingly, he has made me look more into his tape and he has a raven demeanor. Consistently plays with an edge and consistently makes plays. His lack of bend is worrisome, yet his hand use and motor keep him as a threat. 

4.) Williams, despite a lack luster game last night, he does show good pass rush moves and looks like a very natural rusher. He still needs more muscle though as he still looks too wirey. Plus some more tenaciousness. He had many plays where he gave up or looked unable to use a second move to disengage the blocker. 

5.) Lawson, if he stays healthy, he is a really good rusher. But it's risky to take a injury prone player. If we get him in the second it couldn't be any worse than Correa. 

6.) Watt, he has the motor and dimensions of his brother. That is a great sign. He only has one great season to his belt though. He easily needs to gain 10-15 pounds to remain effective at the next level, all while hoping it doesn't slow him down.

7.) McKinley, only one great year while being in the pac 12. He also seems more fitted for a 4-3 instead. He has a high ceiling, but I'm not sure he is the right fit. 

8.) Landry, haven't seen too much on him. 

I was just telling someone the exact same thing about Watt earlier. The part about McKinley, I think it was said that UCLA switched to a 3-4 and it was hurting his performance so the team actually went back to a 4-3. Landry is returning for his senior year. 

[ravensnation5220]

1- Barnett, any time up have a player break Reggie whites school record, to have to take him seriously

2- Charles harris, electric first step, coupled with an array of pass rush moves including a devastating spin move. Refined player and technique sound....excpet in the run game. 

3- Takk McKinley, when you match athleticism, effort and character; you have a player who is willing to get better and take coaching. Better run defender than given credit for. His combine will eventually raise him over Harris. 

4- Tim Williams, another raw prospect with a great get off. Bends well and has violent hands when he decided to use them. Run defense a question since Alabama doesn't use him often. Character needs to be looked at. 

5- lawson, has the pass rush talent and production when on the feild to be a top 15 pick, however his injury past is a major concern for longevity and consistent availability. 

[rossihunter2]

42 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Alright so before the combine hits what are everyone's preferred edge guys that we can actually get? Who best fits the 3-4? 

Ill just eliminate Garrett because there is no way we get him.

1.) Barnett, it would be a dream. Super consist. Technical freak with everything we could really want from a pass rusher. 

2.) Charles Harris, I like that he has size and an insane first step. He plays well against the run too. 

3.) Anderson, Surprisingly, he has made me look more into his tape and he has a raven demeanor. Consistently plays with an edge and consistently makes plays. His lack of bend is worrisome, yet his hand use and motor keep him as a threat. 

4.) Williams, despite a lack luster game last night, he does show good pass rush moves and looks like a very natural rusher. He still needs more muscle though as he still looks too wirey. Plus some more tenaciousness. He had many plays where he gave up or looked unable to use a second move to disengage the blocker. 

5.) Lawson, if he stays healthy, he is a really good rusher. But it's risky to take a injury prone player. If we get him in the second it couldn't be any worse than Correa. 

6.) Watt, he has the motor and dimensions of his brother. That is a great sign. He only has one great season to his belt though. He easily needs to gain 10-15 pounds to remain effective at the next level, all while hoping it doesn't slow him down.

7.) McKinley, only one great year while being in the pac 12. He also seems more fitted for a 4-3 instead. He has a high ceiling, but I'm not sure he is the right fit. 

8.) Landry, haven't seen too much on him. 

Landry's going back to school

Out of those, well Barnett is obviously the favourite, closely followed by Tim williams

i know there are a lot of people on these boards who are high on Harris and I've come around to a certain extent but I don't think he's value at 16 and I don't think he makes it to us in the 2nd

Ryan Anderson was a guy I think a lot of us were high on before the title game and are now almost disappointed because his performance might have put him out of range of both of our first to picks - I'd really like to have him on our team though - like the more film I watch the more amazing he looks - and he's a vocal leader in the making

id be happy with any of those guys if they made it to the 2nd - not sure about Lawson - his range because of the injuries could be anywhere from mid first to the 3rd - medical checks at the combine will probably make or break his stock

[allblackraven]

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Landry's going back to school

Out of those, well Barnett is obviously the favourite, closely followed by Tim williams

i know there are a lot of people on these boards who are high on Harris and I've come around to a certain extent but I don't think he's value at 16 and I don't think he makes it to us in the 2nd

Ryan Anderson was a guy I think a lot of us were high on before the title game and are now almost disappointed because his performance might have put him out of range of both of our first to picks - I'd really like to have him on our team though - like the more film I watch the more amazing he looks - and he's a vocal leader in the making

Did you mean to say weren't high?

Asking because I haven't seen much praise for Anderson around here until about the start of the 3rd quarter of last night's game.

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Did you mean to say weren't high?

Asking because I haven't seen much praise for Anderson around here until about the start of the 3rd quarter of last night's game.

True. I think what worked in andersons favor last night was going up against a true freshman at right tackle. He man handled the kid. Williams however doesnt have the upper body strength of Anderson and was practically shut down for most of the game

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

True. I think what worked in andersons favor last night was going up against a true freshman at right tackle. He man handled the kid. Williams however doesnt have the upper body strength of Anderson and was practically shut down for most of the game

I didn't re-watch the game but from memory I think Anderson had more snaps vs LT than Williams. Might be wrong but I've seen him there few times.

[rossihunter2]

26 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Did you mean to say weren't high?

Asking because I haven't seen much praise for Anderson around here until about the start of the 3rd quarter of last night's game.

Go back much earlier in this thread, I was pretty high on him as were others - but we thought he would maybe be available comfortably at our 2nd round pick but he was a guy I in particular really liked - hence the disappointment that he now might be unobtainable

[rossihunter2]

11 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I didn't re-watch the game but from memory I think Anderson had more snaps vs LT than Williams. Might be wrong but I've seen him there few times.

anderson would often rush against the left tackle especially on non-obvious passing downs - when Tim williams was actually playing I imagine it was closer to 50/50 who went each side - when they are both in though Williams often takes the left and Anderson the right but it didn't feel that way vs clemson

[RavensDieHard21]

Ya Harris isn't value at 16, that is why u think he would be a great trade back player. Anderson is now in a weird in between slot I feel. Our best bet I believe is we make a move if Barnett slides to 10 or we grab Watt or Lawson in the second. Takk, Harris, and maybe even Williams will go in between 15-40. 

[rossihunter2]

8 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Ya Harris isn't value at 16, that is why u think he would be a great trade back player. Anderson is now in a weird in between slot I feel. Our best bet I believe is we make a move if Barnett slides to 10 or we grab Watt or Lawson in the second. Takk, Harris, and maybe even Williams will go in between 15-40. 

I know people want corners and so do I but if the board falls that way I can seriously see us taking pass rusher first and second if the value is there

[Darhk_Raven]

7 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Ya Harris isn't value at 16, that is why u think he would be a great trade back player. Anderson is now in a weird in between slot I feel. Our best bet I believe is we make a move if Barnett slides to 10 or we grab Watt or Lawson in the second. Takk, Harris, and maybe even Williams will go in between 15-40. 

On a trade back how far would you be willing to trade back and try to still land Harris?

[rossihunter2]

11 minutes ago, Darhk_Raven said:

On a trade back how far would you be willing to trade back and try to still land Harris?

For me right now, maybe around 22-25 he'd become good value at this point - obviously this all changes a huge amount as the process continues and the combine etc.

[Jacquouille]

14 hours ago, Drew P said:

Is it possible that MINN is worse than the Ravens at selecting 1st round WR's?

No, they typically don't let their rookies play a lot. Vikings fans don't seem worried.

[Jacquouille]

5 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Did you mean to say weren't high?

Asking because I haven't seen much praise for Anderson around here until about the start of the 3rd quarter of last night's game.

I was always high on Anderson and had a late first round grade on him. I love his attitude and how light he looks on his feet. His get off isn't the most explosive but among the fastest in the class and his twitch, strength and violent hands make up for a guy that deserves to be taken high. Trade back target for sure.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 hours ago, allblackraven said:

I didn't re-watch the game but from memory I think Anderson had more snaps vs LT than Williams. Might be wrong but I've seen him there few times.

He had a lot more snaps. I know because I was specifically looking for Tim Williams the whole game and at first I was mad he wasn't getting snaps

[Drew P]

3 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

No, they typically don't let their rookies play a lot. Vikings fans don't seem worried.

Really, since when?