2017 edge rusher

[GrimCoconut]

Lots of replies here so I'll just say I'm replying to all those above. 

First, Anderson. I think Williams is certainly more explosive and bends better than Anderson but the problem I see with Williams is he takes himself out of the play and overpursues just like I've seen in guys like Smith. That will kill him at the next level. I may be too picky about it but that will be a major issue. Also, his character concerns are very concerning. This is why I like Anderson more for us than Williams. A prospect may have more potential than another, as is the case with Anderson and Williams, but Anderson could easily outperform Williams as a pro because talent and potential can only reach the level the prospect desires and that's where I love and hate Williams. He showed commitment to get his weight up and improve from last year but these drug issues...I just don't know what to think there.

As for Barnett, yeah, he's certainly not as slow as Upshaw but he's not considerably faster than him either. Don't get me wrong he may be able to be a great player at the next level but when I watched him really closely I saw a guy who was good at timing the snap of the ball more than I saw a guy who exploded to the ball. 

Derek Rivers is a guy I really like but not as a 1st or 2nd round pick. If we're talking Kaufusi then okay but I would be very hesitant to make him Correa. He's extremely explosive and bends better than given credit but I think his hips are a touch stiff but I'm not too worried about that because this guy could replace Suggs if he puts it all together. As @BmoreBird22 said via Miller, I definitely agree with those sentiments and see him as a third round pick. I'd trade up to get him but I see him in that round. 

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Lots of replies here so I'll just say I'm replying to all those above. 

First, Anderson. I think Williams is certainly more explosive and bends better than Anderson but the problem I see with Williams is he takes himself out of the play and overpursues just like I've seen in guys like Smith. That will kill him at the next level. I may be too picky about it but that will be a major issue. Also, his character concerns are very concerning. This is why I like Anderson more for us than Williams. A prospect may have more potential than another, as is the case with Anderson and Williams, but Anderson could easily outperform Williams as a pro because talent and potential can only reach the level the prospect desires and that's where I love and hate Williams. He showed commitment to get his weight up and improve from last year but these drug issues...I just don't know what to think there.

As for Barnett, yeah, he's certainly not as slow as Upshaw but he's not considerably faster than him either. Don't get me wrong he may be able to be a great player at the next level but when I watched him really closely I saw a guy who was good at timing the snap of the ball more than I saw a guy who exploded to the ball. 

Derek Rivers is a guy I really like but not as a 1st or 2nd round pick. If we're talking Kaufusi then okay but I would be very hesitant to make him Correa. He's extremely explosive and bends better than given credit but I think his hips are a touch stiff but I'm not too worried about that because this guy could replace Suggs if he puts it all together. As @BmoreBird22 said via Miller, I definitely agree with those sentiments and see him as a third round pick. I'd trade up to get him but I see him in that round. 

i dont see overpursuit problems like smith with williams - he occasionally loses the edge with overeagerness but he also doesnt get many opportunities to practice but in terms of over pursuing in his rushes i dont see that at all - he often uses a spin or a move to the inside if he cant bend the edge or he's being pushed outside the qb like with smith who gets in a sprint stance and easily gets pushed away from the qb - i think the character concerns are obviously legitimate but if our FO is happy with them then I will be too - i think the drug issues have been well documented and are apparently in the past (whether that is true will be weedled out in interviews/by contacting bama

i also like anderson for different reasons as an all round defender in all phases - but as a pure rusher he doesnt have the athleticism or bend that williams does

with barnett i think you're looking at it in black and white terms - its not a case of either or - he is not as explosive as williams/garrett/mckinley but he is not exactly a slouch either - explosion goes beyond speed and while barnett hasnt done amazingly in drills ill admit which might be something to track at the next level but give his other elite traits i dont foresee it as an issue going forward - his play-style and use of rush skills is very different to upshaw's as well - the comp is a little forced

[Boddiebroadus]

I'm not sure what tape people are watching with Barnett being slow. He has amazing get off. Even when he's not anticipating the snap dude still get off the ball very quick. Maybe he didn't run an amazing 40 but his 10 yard split was good and he had one of the best 3 cone drills of anyone. I believe he was 5th with being .04 second behind 2nd.

 

If Barnett is there at 16 it's a no brainer. He'll only get bigger stronger and faster. I wouldn't doubt he'll be the most productive pass rusher from this class. Dude has proved himself every year vs quality tackles. Broke Reggie Whites record. Watch the tape dude is constantly putting pressure on the qb. And he plays smart. Stays home in the run game and doesn't over pursue and squeezes the edge. (I'm a huge fan) 

 

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, Boddiebroadus said:

I'm not sure what tape people are watching with Barnett being slow. He has amazing get off. Even when he's not anticipating the snap dude still get off the ball very quick. Maybe he didn't run an amazing 40 but his 10 yard split was good and he had one of the best 3 cone drills of anyone. I believe he was 5th with being .04 second behind 2nd.

 

If Barnett is there at 16 it's a no brainer. He'll only get bigger stronger and faster. I wouldn't doubt he'll be the most productive pass rusher from this class. Dude has proved himself every year vs quality tackles. Broke Reggie Whites record. Watch the tape dude is constantly putting pressure on the qb. And he plays smart. Stays home in the run game and doesn't over pursue and squeezes the edge. (I'm a huge fan) 

 

i 100% agree with this - he may not be an athletic freak like garrett, mckinley, watt, williams but that doesnt mean he's not a good enough athlete for the next level - the reason those guys are expected to go high is because they have the potential to dominate with their athleticism which suggests the nfl baseline level is below their athletic levels anyway or they wouldnt be so special as prospects - as long as barnett isnt blown away athletically by the nfl tackles (which i doubt he will be) then he will be an incredibly productive 3 down player

[Dubs]

I tend to agree with @GrimCoconut on the hesitancy on Barnett. I have my doubts of his game transitioning we'll to the NFL. I think Grim points out a lot of the issues and things we need to think about. I would add his case reminds me a lot of Jarvis Jones when he was coming out of Georgia and what the Steelers go out of him. Both were amazingly productive college players and there is no question about...both had a nice dip and under move in college and knew how to finish. I also think Jones struggled a lot in the NFL because of length issues, a lot of NFL OT's use their length to their advantage much better than in college. I am not huge for how Barnett takes on blocks, often not keeping as square as he could, and lets be honest a little bit of healthy skepticism is always good at this point especially when the board starts clamouring for one guy or demonizing another. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, Dubs said:

I tend to agree with @GrimCoconut on the hesitancy on Barnett. I have my doubts of his game transitioning we'll to the NFL. I think Grim points out a lot of the issues and things we need to think about. I would add his case reminds me a lot of Jarvis Jones when he was coming out of Georgia and what the Steelers go out of him. Both were amazingly productive college players and there is no question about...both had a nice dip and under move in college and knew how to finish. I also think Jones struggled a lot in the NFL because of length issues, a lot of NFL OT's use their length to their advantage much better than in college. I am not huge for how Barnett takes on blocks, often not keeping as square as he could, and lets be honest a little bit of healthy skepticism is always good at this point especially when the board starts clamouring for one guy or demonizing another. 

I don't see the Jones comparison at all. 

Jones was all athleticism but somewhat stiff, not great with his hands, ok bend, and not real set of pass rush moves, no counter move, and much smaller. 

Not to mention the severe Neck injury and medical issue. Health was a part of his Steelers story that can't be ignored. 

Barnett's 15 lbs bigger, is knocked for his lack of burst not noted for it, but is about as polished as it comes in regard to his bend, hand fighting, and his tool kit of pass rush moves. He goes in with a plan, can win the edge or immediately counter back inside. 

 

Maybe im missing the connection but I don't see how the two are at all related. 

If anything I'd see Jones as a possible project for guys like Takk and Tim Williams who got most of their production on burst and athleticism but will need refining on the finer details of pass rushing. 

[rossihunter2]

DeCosta says he sees 4 or 5 pass rushers going in first round though all are not necessarily great fits for a 3-4 scheme...

instantly made me think of taco charlton and solomon thomas

[RavensDieHard21]

In regards to the Williams v Anderson comp, I think that Williams has more raw potential and has the tool to be a double digit sack artist, but he needs to stay out of trouble and keep his weight on. When he is sub 240, he just gets too light and isn't as much of a force. If he could keep his explosiveness and not over pursue on the speed rush he could be deadly. 

 

[RavensDieHard21]

Anderson on the other hand however is going to be a very reliable SAM backer. He doesn't have the wild athleticism and explosiveness, but he  plays physical and intelligently. He will be a jack of all trades. 

He is great in run support; he finds a way to always be around the ball; uses his hands well while bending the edge; wraps up well and doesn't get tricked by counters, screens, etc. 

Williams from a talent perspective isn't as reliable in run support and doesn't disengage blockers well when they get a hold of him. My other critique is everyone claims he has a nasty spin move and counter moves, which I've seen, bit not nearly as much as you would like. His initial strategy is to straight up beat the tackle around the edge with quickness. Once the tackle is able to mirror him and prevent that from happening, he often tries to shoot inside with a rip or spin move, but often the LTs and RTs get a hold of him and he is frozen. This happened a lot against Clemson. 

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Anderson on the other hand however is going to be a very reliable SAM backer. He doesn't have the wild athleticism and explosiveness, but he  plays physical and intelligently. He will be a jack of all trades. 

He is great in run support; he finds a way to always be around the ball; uses his hands well while bending the edge; wraps up well and doesn't get tricked by counters, screens, etc. 

Williams from a talent perspective isn't as reliable in run support and doesn't disengage blockers well when they get a hold of him. My other critique is everyone claims he has a nasty spin move and counter moves, which I've seen, bit not nearly as much as you would like. His initial strategy is to straight up beat the tackle around the edge with quickness. Once the tackle is able to mirror him and prevent that from happening, he often tries to shoot inside with a rip or spin move, but often the LTs and RTs get a hold of him and he is frozen. This happened a lot against Clemson. 

What I will say about Williams is that he's great at using his hands. He doesn't get stalled too often because his hands are so fast and violent. He also had great placement with his hands which throws tackles off balance. Anderson does this well too, I think it's just the Bama coaching to be honest

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Anderson on the other hand however is going to be a very reliable SAM backer. He doesn't have the wild athleticism and explosiveness, but he  plays physical and intelligently. He will be a jack of all trades. 

He is great in run support; he finds a way to always be around the ball; uses his hands well while bending the edge; wraps up well and doesn't get tricked by counters, screens, etc. 

Williams from a talent perspective isn't as reliable in run support and doesn't disengage blockers well when they get a hold of him. My other critique is everyone claims he has a nasty spin move and counter moves, which I've seen, bit not nearly as much as you would like. His initial strategy is to straight up beat the tackle around the edge with quickness. Once the tackle is able to mirror him and prevent that from happening, he often tries to shoot inside with a rip or spin move, but often the LTs and RTs get a hold of him and he is frozen. This happened a lot against Clemson. 

I didn't see that against Clemson, I saw him winning the edge with speed and a bit of hand fighting to prevent any engagement followed up with a loss of balance.

that game was unfortunate for williams and fortunate for any team hoping to land him in the 2nd. He could have made a statement had the turf not came out from under him multiple times, he was winning a lot of snaps initially and then literally just went all life alert "I've fallen and can't get up". It was weird honestly, to see a guy who bends at high speed so well just having the floor come out from under his feet repeatedly 

[rossihunter2]

37 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I didn't see that against Clemson, I saw him winning the edge with speed and a bit of hand fighting to prevent any engagement followed up with a loss of balance.

that game was unfortunate for williams and fortunate for any team hoping to land him in the 2nd. He could have made a statement had the turf not came out from under him multiple times, he was winning a lot of snaps initially and then literally just went all life alert "I've fallen and can't get up". It was weird honestly, to see a guy who bends at high speed so well just having the floor come out from under his feet repeatedly 

yeah i dont know if it was a cleat issue or a balance issue vs clemson but i was weird seeing a couple of snaps where i expected deshaun watson to end up on the turf and then the only player on the turf was williams and clemson got into the endzone on one of those plays - it was odd to watch

[rossihunter2]

right ive gone back and watched almost all of takk mckinley's tape and ill be the first to admit i was overly harsh and wrong about him - he's a lot less raw and one dimensional than i initially thought and obviously has the athleticism to absolutely overcome any sort of physical problem put to him by an o lineman - with some coaching and some work on his bend he could be destructive in the nfl - i still wouldnt be overly fond of picking him at 16 but ive come full circle in a sense that id put him in range now

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

yeah i dont know if it was a cleat issue or a balance issue vs clemson but i was weird seeing a couple of snaps where i expected deshaun watson to end up on the turf and then the only player on the turf was williams and clemson got into the endzone on one of those plays - it was odd to watch

I kinda wanna just say he's top heavy, he bulked up a lot in his previous offseason(20 lbs or so) and you could tell all of it was core and arms. When top heavy guys lean as hard as he does on loose grass and he doesn't have those dense legs to keep his feet firmly planted in the turf, that stuff happens. 

If that's the case then williams is a scary pass rusher at this point, because if he played in the 250s this year without adding leg muscle, then he could easily bulk up to 260 by working on his legs, which would give him better balance and even more explosion out of the snap, along with a better bullrush by being able to generate power from the hips. 

Same could be said for carl Lawson who has chicken legs and has been known to topple over and slip on occasion

Edited April 6 by JoeyFlex5

[ravensnation5220]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I kinda wanna just say he's top heavy, he bulked up a lot in his previous offseason(20 lbs or so) and you could tell all of it was core and arms. When top heavy guys lean as hard as he does on loose grass and he doesn't have those dense legs to keep his feet firmly planted in the turf, that stuff happens. 

If that's the case then williams is a scary pass rusher at this point, because if he played in the 250s this year without adding leg muscle, then he could easily bulk up to 260 by working on his legs, which would give him better balance and even more explosion out of the snap, along with a better bullrush by being able to generate power from the hips. 

Same could be said for carl Lawson who has chicken legs and has been known to topple over and slip on occasion

This is why when looking at a prospect I always look at their hips. When looking at their hips you can see how much room they have to grow into their body. If their hips come out wider than their torso or thighs then they haven't maxed out their body to their full potential. 

One guy that comes to mind who is maxed out is takk McKinley. The guy is just a freak of nature. He may be a little stiff but he's got good enough flexibility to play in a 3-4 and just needs to be taught some disengaging moves as he has none. Even if it's only one or two for his first year it would help him emensly. I think he's much better than ogbah or Odigizuwa(if I spelt that right). I just see him bend well enough to be successful,he has decent flexibility and a much better first step

[rossihunter2]

16 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

This is why when looking at a prospect I always look at their hips. When looking at their hips you can see how much room they have to grow into their body. If their hips come out wider than their torso or thighs then they haven't maxed out their body to their full potential. 

One guy that comes to mind who is maxed out is takk McKinley. The guy is just a freak of nature. He may be a little stiff but he's got good enough flexibility to play in a 3-4 and just needs to be taught some disengaging moves as he has none. Even if it's only one or two for his first year it would help him emensly. I think he's much better than ogbah or Odigizuwa(if I spelt that right). I just see him bend well enough to be successful,he has decent flexibility and a much better first step

Yeah I'm coming around on takk in a big way - I don't see unimprovable stiffness with him - his bend is inconsistent but I've seen him bend ok on occasion which gives me hope for him at the next level and his athleticism is really scary at times - he's not as raw as I thought after my initial impressions of him and you're right that his first step can be really good - though he's not a polished edge guy by any means he's not completely one dimensional - and he looks like he could be a monster off the edge in the run game straight from the gun

[ravensnation5220]

15 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Yeah I'm coming around on takk in a big way - I don't see unimprovable stiffness with him - his bend is inconsistent but I've seen him bend ok on occasion which gives me hope for him at the next level and his athleticism is really scary at times - he's not as raw as I thought after my initial impressions of him and you're right that his first step can be really good - though he's not a polished edge guy by any means he's not completely one dimensional - and he looks like he could be a monster off the edge in the run game straight from the gun

He seems like a good kid and gives 100% effort every game, that's a big thing to me. This guy has probably the best motor in the draft. I always liked him a lot but I still feel there could be better options at 16 yet that doesn't mean I'd be mad if we picked him. 

[rossihunter2]

12 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

He seems like a good kid and gives 100% effort every game, that's a big thing to me. This guy has probably the best motor in the draft. I always liked him a lot but I still feel there could be better options at 16 yet that doesn't mean I'd be mad if we picked him. 

See if you'd asked me two days ago I would have been livid if we'd picked takk at 16, whereas now I'd probably sneakily like it if certain guys were gone

[PurpleHorseman]

On 4/3/2017 at 6:31 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I don't see the Jones comparison at all. 

Jones was all athleticism but somewhat stiff, not great with his hands, ok bend, and not real set of pass rush moves, no counter move, and much smaller. 

Not to mention the severe Neck injury and medical issue. Health was a part of his Steelers story that can't be ignored. 

Barnett's 15 lbs bigger, is knocked for his lack of burst not noted for it, but is about as polished as it comes in regard to his bend, hand fighting, and his tool kit of pass rush moves. He goes in with a plan, can win the edge or immediately counter back inside. 

 

Maybe im missing the connection but I don't see how the two are at all related. 

If anything I'd see Jones as a possible project for guys like Takk and Tim Williams who got most of their production on burst and athleticism but will need refining on the finer details of pass rushing. 

I don't think Jones was stiff. His rush moves many of required good flexibility. He clearly didn't have the burst to put NFL tackles in submissive positions where he could then finish. He was thought to be powerful for 250 lbs. but was not powerful in the NFL. 

Barnett is similar. However he is a little bigger and stronger than Jones and a touch more flexible. But Jones possessed a slightly faster initial burst. However it isn't going to make a difference in the NFL. He isn't overpowering NFL tackles. And a tackles technique and polish in the NFL is light years ahead of college. Jones's moves that were his impressive trademark in college he soon learned were not working in the NFL. Barnett is known for good hand usage. But NFL tackles are bigger with longer arms to negate that. He may get about 6-8 sacks a year tops all on the well below average tackles and Tight Ends.

However only an opinion. I like Tim Williams and Lawson. Tak could end up the best after some coaching. He has the best raw athleticism power and burst. Overall I like this edge rusher class but it is a touch overrated. It is a dangerous class as well because not all these rushers are going to be top shelf edge rushers. 

There is the players that combine size with athleticism to consider as well. That being Taco and McDowell. Taco and McDowell are athletic enough to play rush olb at 280 and 295 lbs.while sliding inside on 3rd and longs. Very very similar to Cameron Jordan. 

[rossihunter2]

12 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I don't think Jones was stiff. His rush moves many of required good flexibility. He clearly didn't have the burst to put NFL tackles in submissive positions where he could then finish. He was thought to be powerful for 250 lbs. but was not powerful in the NFL. 

Barnett is similar. However he is a little bigger and stronger than Jones and a touch more flexible. But Jones possessed a slightly faster initial burst. However it isn't going to make a difference in the NFL. He isn't overpowering NFL tackles. And a tackles technique and polish in the NFL is light years ahead of college. Jones's moves that were his impressive trademark in college he soon learned were not working in the NFL. Barnett is known for good hand usage. But NFL tackles are bigger with longer arms to negate that. He may get about 6-8 sacks a year tops all on the well below average tackles and Tight Ends.

However only an opinion. I like Tim Williams and Lawson. Tak could end up the best after some coaching. He has the best raw athleticism power and burst. Overall I like this edge rusher class but it is a touch overrated. It is a dangerous class as well because not all these rushers are going to be top shelf edge rushers. 

There is the players that combine size with athleticism to consider as well. That being Taco and McDowell. Taco and McDowell are athletic enough to play rush olb at 280 and 295 lbs.while sliding inside on 3rd and longs. Very very similar to Cameron Jordan. 

The more I hear about taco, the more I watch him and a couple of zierlein sources have really left me confident that he really isn't as good as he's been touted in the media at times - I really think being a Michigan guy has helped him inordinately in this process in the media

[PurpleHorseman]

3 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

The more I hear about taco, the more I watch him and a couple of zierlein sources have really left me confident that he really isn't as good as he's been touted in the media at times - I really think being a Michigan guy has helped him inordinately in this process in the media

Maybe a little overrated thus far but a very good athlete at 280lbs. McDowell is a little better I think. He is bigger with a better bullrush and as flexible. McDowell changes direction and breaks down totackle alittle better than taco

These rushers are a touch overrated. Not as explosive as Von. And similar athleticism to Alfonso smith and Justin Houston and Quinn but not the size or length of them. 

I like Lawson Harris and Williams but not crazy about them. Lawson I really like but is a little too heavy. If his legs could catch his upper body he could be there with  Khalil Mack. He turns the corner hard with authority and underrated flexibility. Harris has the best burst off the ball. But his 4.84 is not impressive for a smallish speed rush olb

Edited April 6 by PurpleHorseman

[rossihunter2]

14 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

McDowell is a little better I think. He is bigger with a better bullrush and as flexible. McDowell changes direction and breaks down totackle alittle better than taco

I don't think they project the same though - mcdowell to me looks solidly like a 5tech who might play a bit of 3tech whereas taco looks like a 4-3 defensive end

i agree though that mcdowell's athleticism is freakish for where he might end up playing

[ALI624]

Wow Myles Garrett refused to come on Mike & Mike because Booger McFarland was critical of him and Texas A&M. Guess he is very sensitive and a prima donna.

[Dubs]

20 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Wow Myles Garrett refused to come on Mike & Mike because Booger McFarland was critical of him and Texas A&M. Guess he is very sensitive and a prima donna.

I dunno if I was him and a surefire first overall and someone offered me to come on where I would be critiqued just to be critiqued I too would likely pass. He really in every single way has absolutely nothing to win by going on the show and can only make people have question marks..seems like a good call to put his time and energy elsewhere as he probably is stretched already

[ALI624]

1 minute ago, Dubs said:

I dunno if I was him and a surefire first overall and someone offered me to come on where I would be critiqued just to be critiqued I too would likely pass. He really in every single way has absolutely nothing to win by going on the show and can only make people have question marks..seems like a good call to put his time and energy elsewhere as he probably is stretched already

Doesn't that bring more question marks about his toughness and ability to deal with criticism than just going on and defending himself. He's not going to drop from the number one overall pick either way, but it just is not a good look to me to shy away from conflict because he is going to criticized and scrutinized when he gets to the NFL. Just doesn't smell right especially after saying he would "punish" the Browns if they passed on them. If you want to talk tough than back it up.

[Dubs]

Just now, ALI624 said:

Doesn't that bring more question marks about his toughness and ability to deal with criticism than just going on and defending himself. He's not going to drop from the number one overall pick either way, but it just is not a good look to me to shy away from conflict because he is going to criticized and scrutinized when he gets to the NFL. Just doesn't smell right especially after saying he would "punish" the Browns if they passed on them. If you want to talk tough than back it up.

As you say either way this will not effect him much. If I were to advise I would say save your time/energy you don't need to be a 'tough' guy all day everyday, and a different advisor may say attend to it head on. Either works but overall it really doesn't matter for him and we likely don't need to overthink it. Enough has been done on the field and through everything else that you have 99.9% of the picture of what/who you are getting

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, Dubs said:

As you say either way this will not effect him much. If I were to advise I would say save your time/energy you don't need to be a 'tough' guy all day everyday, and a different advisor may say attend to it head on. Either works but overall it really doesn't matter for him and we likely don't need to overthink it. Enough has been done on the field and through everything else that you have 99.9% of the picture of what/who you are getting

Yep.  It's the tape and the fact that he's the consensus #1 that no one should care.  He has absolutely nothing to prove at this point.

[Number23]

Does anyone think we could go for Jordan Willis? He'd have to convert from DE to OLB for us, but watching some tape of his he looks like he has good hands and a great motor. Converting might be pain but he has the right size, and the only question mark I had about him was whether he could cover any.

[rmw10]

9 minutes ago, Number23 said:

Does anyone think we could go for Jordan Willis? He'd have to convert from DE to OLB for us, but watching some tape of his he looks like he has good hands and a great motor. Converting might be pain but he has the right size, and the only question mark I had about him was whether he could cover any.

I think he''ll go earlier than he should, so that would take him out for us.  His combine performance was much better than his tape shows.

[Dubs]

What about Tarrell Basham? He seems to be getting some love lately and looks like a guy who once in an NFL strength and conditioning program and with some coaching on hand usage could be something...thoughts on him (anyone)? I have seen his draft value all over the place. Really like his motor and size/quickness combo