2017 edge rusher

[JoeyFlex5]

47 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Everyone has to watch Carl Lawsons Arkansas and LSU tape. I think I counted about 15 times in both games where he either pressured the qb or got the sack. 

@JoeyFlex5 what do you think about him? His tape, especially those 2 games are great

Talent wise carl Lawson is undeniable. Last year he was my top edge rusher before he withdrew, he's a forgotten man due to his injuries, and I shouldn't hype tj watt as much as I do and then put down Lawson because of injuries, but hey some people are just partial lol. He's got a great burst and motor and bends well and shows some really surprising strength, love his violent hands too. Really on field I can't point out a weakness, just injuries are a concern.

[ravensnation5220]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Talent wise carl Lawson is undeniable. Last year he was my top edge rusher before he withdrew, he's a forgotten man due to his injuries, and I shouldn't hype tj watt as much as I do and then put down Lawson because of injuries, but hey some people are just partial lol. He's got a great burst and motor and bends well and shows some really surprising strength, love his violent hands too. Really on field I can't point out a weakness, just injuries are a concern.

Ya I agree. But he did manage to put together a full season without any drawbacks. His number of pressures are just crazy and those 2 games he seemed unblockable 

[ravensnation5220]

@JoeyFlex5 if you look at the Arkansas tape Lawson was an impact (pass rush) on 9 plays. 7 of those were in the first quarter. They pretty much chipped him or doubled him every time after that. His coaches did a good job trying to free him up. 

Vs LSU it didnt take long for them to figure out he can't be blocked one on one. He is relentless, I'd love him in the second round. If he falls that far

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

@JoeyFlex5 if you look at the Arkansas tape Lawson was an impact (pass rush) on 9 plays. 7 of those were in the first quarter. They pretty much chipped him or doubled him every time after that. His coaches did a good job trying to free him up. 

Vs LSU it didnt take long for them to figure out he can't be blocked one on one. He is relentless, I'd love him in the second round. If he falls that far

Yeah I watched plenty of his junior film and I think none of his senior stuff. I really need to because I've heard great things about him all year

[GrimCoconut]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Broad jump is a great test for explosiveness actually, it tends to be pretty indicative. Whether it converts to production on the field is a different story, a player can be very explosive and now know to use it. I think that's what Charles Harris is, he's explosive but lacks other tools to put it to use, like change of direction and flexibility and balance. Harris appears more athletic on film but Barnett gets a good jump off the ball more often than not, Harris plays very animated and Barnett doesn't, so while Harris is playing downhill and using dramatic looking spin moves, Barnett is playing more tactical and controlled. 

I think obviously Harris is more explosive, but I don't think it's by a very large margin, I think it just appears that way because Barnett plays a lot more controlled and Harris Is just out there gunning it. 

Harris is definitely more explosive off the ball while Barnett relies on timing the snap count quite a bit. Barnett is much better bending the edge, though, so there's that. Harris is just really explosive off the ball there's no denying that

[GrimCoconut]

4 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I also think vertical measures explosiveness. Harris has a 37.5 inch very at his pro day

Both rely on lower body explosiveness and converting power into speed but I would say the broad jump is the most indicative test to measure explosiveness due to the positioning of the body. Both are really good measuring tools, though--much more than the 40

[ravensnation5220]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Both rely on lower body explosiveness and converting power into speed but I would say the broad jump is the most indicative test to measure explosiveness due to the positioning of the body. Both are really good measuring tools, though--much more than the 40

Agreed. I think the 10 yard split is more important than the actual 40. That's another measure of explosion 

[PurpleHorseman]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Harris is definitely more explosive off the ball while Barnett relies on timing the snap count quite a bit. Barnett is much better bending the edge, though, so there's that. Harris is just really explosive off the ball there's no denying that

I think their edge flexibility is comparable. However I would prefer Tim Williams and Carl Lawson over Harris and Barnett. I'm undecided on Who I prefer out of Lawson and Harris. I believe Williams could be a great all around edge rush lb. He could eventually be very good in coverage zone and man up on running backs and TE's. He only needs some coaching and polish on recognizing offenses plays. He has the skills.

[GrimCoconut]

4 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Agreed. I think the 10 yard split is more important than the actual 40. That's another measure of explosion 

I would definitely agree with this.

2 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I think their edge flexibility is comparable. However I would prefer Tim Williams and Carl Lawson over Harris and Barnett. I'm undecided on Who I prefer out of Lawson and Harris. I believe Williams could be a great all around edge rush lb. He could eventually be very good in coverage zone and man up on running backs and TE's. He only needs some coaching and polish on recognizing offenses plays. He has the skills.

I just don't know what to think of Barnett.  I really like him from a standpoint of technique and bend but I do not see the explosiveness in him I want to see.  I think he is slow off the ball and I am legitimately worried he could be similar to Upshaw as a pass rusher.  I just don't know if he can win in the NFL with his jump off the ball.  As for Williams, I like him but I don't even know about him, either.  He extends himself too much and goes too far up field at times and really takes himself out of the play.  He's fast but I think Anderson may actually be quicker off the ball and therefore more explosive despite what I think should be true.  

[raven94]

As far as Barnett goes you've got to understand that he was constantly playing against the spread option in the SEC and since he's actually dedicated to run defense he's cautious. However when the offense is in an empty set or it's an obvious pass down, emphasis on passing down, he sire does have a good get off. When he's allowed to just think about pass rushing he's awesome

[rossihunter2]

19 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

The combine isn't the best test for player explosiveness. It is there to try to show off players' skills but in all honesty we all know that on tape everyone can see that Harris is more explosive.

No it isn't, you're right - and on tape Barnett looks like the far superior player in bend, instincts, setting up rushes, hand fighting, using his speed etc.

harris looks slightly more explosive off the snap but doesn't do anything with that vs barnett

[BmoreBird22]

Just to join in, I think Harris in a way tries to play too cautious with a two gap scheme mentality. Apparently coaches wanted him to just knife in and explode through gaps and he just wouldn't. I have no idea why not, but how will he take to coaching?

As far as Lawson goes, damn, you really wish he didn't have the injuries. Really relentless and a great hand fighter. I think he'll be deadly in the run game day one. A bit tight in the hips to maneuver to a mobile quarterback, but if he has a lane, bye bye to your quarterback. He'll eat them alive.

Not the biggest fan of Barnett. Not extremely explosive or possessing the best burst. He times the snap count very well, but I think he'll be just another guy as a pass rusher. Maybe give like 6-9 sacks a season, but never be elite.

[PurpleHorseman]

10 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I would definitely agree with this.

I just don't know what to think of Barnett.  I really like him from a standpoint of technique and bend but I do not see the explosiveness in him I want to see.  I think he is slow off the ball and I am legitimately worried he could be similar to Upshaw as a pass rusher.  I just don't know if he can win in the NFL with his jump off the ball.  As for Williams, I like him but I don't even know about him, either.  He extends himself too much and goes too far up field at times and really takes himself out of the play.  He's fast but I think Anderson may actually be quicker off the ball and therefore more explosive despite what I think should be true.  

You mean Ryan Anderson? I agree about Barnett. You can bend all you want. If you can't surprise NFL blockers with your jump. The NFL tackles are going to get their hands on him. He is going to look like a kangaroo trying to shed NFL tackles with longer arms and massive hands and better technique.

Harris has some issues but his bend is better than what most people say. But not always showing it. But he can be coached to better use his raw skills. I like Tim Williams and Carl Lawson better.

[Willbacker]

4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

No it isn't, you're right - and on tape Barnett looks like the far superior player in bend, instincts, setting up rushes, hand fighting, using his speed etc.

harris looks slightly more explosive off the snap but doesn't do anything with that vs barnett

What I never see mentioned is his awesome ability to change direction to get back to cover screens and make plays on misdirection. I think its 2nd to none. His get off is what worries me and against NFL tackles..... but what I've seen he's got good hand technique to get off of blockers but is this enough. I just don't see elite but maybe a steady 8-10 sack guy which is still very good and worth 16. Oh btw I'm talking bout Barnett.

Been hearing a lot about Charles Harris and Carl Lawson. Watched Harris tapes against Vandy and WVa and Lawson against LSU and Lawson is by far way better. While Harris got a great knife move to the inside other than that I don't even want him. Terrible at setting the edge against the run, pursuit was horrible and if his 1st initial move didn't work he was stonewalled. Just didn't seem to have the motor Lawson does. Lawson looked like 1st rd talent hands down and if he's there in the 2nd Ozzie needs to run the 4.3,do a 11 ft broad jump and vertical onto the podium.  

[GrimCoconut]

16 hours ago, raven94 said:

As far as Barnett goes you've got to understand that he was constantly playing against the spread option in the SEC and since he's actually dedicated to run defense he's cautious. However when the offense is in an empty set or it's an obvious pass down, emphasis on passing down, he sire does have a good get off. When he's allowed to just think about pass rushing he's awesome

Barnett does a lot of things really well but my issue with him is his explosiveness. I really wonder how effective he will be in the NFL as a pro because I see a guy who is just really good at timing the snap but when I saw him focusing on rushing the passer I felt like he was slow to get off if he couldn't time the snap well. I really see a guy who reminds me a lot of Upshaw here in Barnett in terms of explosion off the ball. Obviously he's not Upshaw at all just in that way he reminds me of him

6 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Just to join in, I think Harris in a way tries to play too cautious with a two gap scheme mentality. Apparently coaches wanted him to just knife in and explode through gaps and he just wouldn't. I have no idea why not, but how will he take to coaching?

As far as Lawson goes, damn, you really wish he didn't have the injuries. Really relentless and a great hand fighter. I think he'll be deadly in the run game day one. A bit tight in the hips to maneuver to a mobile quarterback, but if he has a lane, bye bye to your quarterback. He'll eat them alive.

Not the biggest fan of Barnett. Not extremely explosive or possessing the best burst. He times the snap count very well, but I think he'll be just another guy as a pass rusher. Maybe give like 6-9 sacks a season, but never be elite.

Yeah the thing with Harris is his how well he does things besides his patented moves to rush the passer. I feel like he's a guy who could be mentally shutdown by a good LT who beats him early and takes him out of the rest of the game. And yeah Lawson would be in contention as the #2 OLB if he wasn't injured so much. I just worry about that guy because those injuries in college are a big red flag. Will these continue as a pro?  And your opinion on Barnett is very similar to mine. I think he'd be a good SAM but this team needs a RUSH LB who can really explode off the ball. 

5 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

You mean Ryan Anderson? I agree about Barnett. You can bend all you want. If you can't surprise NFL blockers with your jump. The NFL tackles are going to get their hands on him. He is going to look like a kangaroo trying to shed NFL tackles with longer arms and massive hands and better technique.

Harris has some issues but his bend is better than what most people say. But not always showing it. But he can be coached to better use his raw skills. I like Tim Williams and Carl Lawson better.

Yeah I like Anderson better than his teammate, Tim Williams. I think he's faster off the ball, has better instincts, and plays the run better. I think Williams has more upside but I think Anderson has plenty of that, too. I really think he's just a better prospect 

2 hours ago, Willbacker said:

What I never see mentioned is his awesome ability to change direction to get back to cover screens and make plays on misdirection. I think its 2nd to none. His get off is what worries me and against NFL tackles..... but what I've seen he's got good hand technique to get off of blockers but is this enough. I just don't see elite but maybe a steady 8-10 sack guy which is still very good and worth 16. Oh btw I'm talking bout Barnett.

Been hearing a lot about Charles Harris and Carl Lawson. Watched Harris tapes against Vandy and WVa and Lawson against LSU and Lawson is by far way better. While Harris got a great knife move to the inside other than that I don't even want him. Terrible at setting the edge against the run, pursuit was horrible and if his 1st initial move didn't work he was stonewalled. Just didn't seem to have the motor Lawson does. Lawson looked like 1st rd talent hands down and if he's there in the 2nd Ozzie needs to run the 4.3,do a 11 ft broad jump and vertical onto the podium.  

I am most concerned about whether Barnett can consistently apply pressure on the QB because I don't see the explosion necessary to be an effective #1 OLB for a team. I like Barnett but I want to see him explode off the ball but he just times the snap well but that won't work as a pro. Harris has his issues but he explodes off the ball but his hips are a bit eh with his bend and Lawson explodes and has decent bend but he has an injury history as long as my arm. We don't need more guys who can't be available for games. 

I think my favorite OLB for us are Ryan Anderson and Derek Rivers, but I really do like TJ Watt but injuries and explosion issues are there, too. 

[Willbacker]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Barnett does a lot of things really well but my issue with him is his explosiveness. I really wonder how effective he will be in the NFL as a pro because I see a guy who is just really good at timing the snap but when I saw him focusing on rushing the passer I felt like he was slow to get off if he couldn't time the snap well. I really see a guy who reminds me a lot of Upshaw here in Barnett in terms of explosion off the ball. Obviously he's not Upshaw at all just in that way he reminds me of him

Yeah the thing with Harris is his how well he does things besides his patented moves to rush the passer. I feel like he's a guy who could be mentally shutdown by a good LT who beats him early and takes him out of the rest of the game. And yeah Lawson would be in contention as the #2 OLB if he wasn't injured so much. I just worry about that guy because those injuries in college are a big red flag. Will these continue as a pro?  And your opinion on Barnett is very similar to mine. I think he'd be a good SAM but this team needs a RUSH LB who can really explode off the ball. 

Yeah I like Anderson better than his teammate, Tim Williams. I think he's faster off the ball, has better instincts, and plays the run better. I think Williams has more upside but I think Anderson has plenty of that, too. I really think he's just a better prospect 

I am most concerned about whether Barnett can consistently apply pressure on the QB because I don't see the explosion necessary to be an effective #1 OLB for a team. I like Barnett but I want to see him explode off the ball but he just times the snap well but that won't work as a pro. Harris has his issues but he explodes off the ball but his hips are a bit eh with his bend and Lawson explodes and has decent bend but he has an injury history as long as my arm. We don't need more guys who can't be available for games. 

I think my favorite OLB for us are Ryan Anderson and Derek Rivers, but I really do like TJ Watt but injuries and explosion issues are there, too. 

Yeah I've heard about the Lawson injury problem but the talent sure is there. Is he ok now?

Also totally agree with you bout Anderson.

On ‎2‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 11:38 AM, Willbacker said:

I'm probally the only one that thinks Ryan Anderson is the better edge coming out of Bama.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I've been hearing a lot of Derek rivers hype. Haven't even watched him yet 

[PurpleHorseman]

6 hours ago, Willbacker said:

What I never see mentioned is his awesome ability to change direction to get back to cover screens and make plays on misdirection. I think its 2nd to none. His get off is what worries me and against NFL tackles..... but what I've seen he's got good hand technique to get off of blockers but is this enough. I just don't see elite but maybe a steady 8-10 sack guy which is still very good and worth 16. Oh btw I'm talking bout Barnett.

Been hearing a lot about Charles Harris and Carl Lawson. Watched Harris tapes against Vandy and WVa and Lawson against LSU and Lawson is by far way better. While Harris got a great knife move to the inside other than that I don't even want him. Terrible at setting the edge against the run, pursuit was horrible and if his 1st initial move didn't work he was stonewalled. Just didn't seem to have the motor Lawson does. Lawson looked like 1st rd talent hands down and if he's there in the 2nd Ozzie needs to run the 4.3,do a 11 ft broad jump and vertical onto the podium.  

 

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Barnett does a lot of things really well but my issue with him is his explosiveness. I really wonder how effective he will be in the NFL as a pro because I see a guy who is just really good at timing the snap but when I saw him focusing on rushing the passer I felt like he was slow to get off if he couldn't time the snap well. I really see a guy who reminds me a lot of Upshaw here in Barnett in terms of explosion off the ball. Obviously he's not Upshaw at all just in that way he reminds me of him

Yeah the thing with Harris is his how well he does things besides his patented moves to rush the passer. I feel like he's a guy who could be mentally shutdown by a good LT who beats him early and takes him out of the rest of the game. And yeah Lawson would be in contention as the #2 OLB if he wasn't injured so much. I just worry about that guy because those injuries in college are a big red flag. Will these continue as a pro?  And your opinion on Barnett is very similar to mine. I think he'd be a good SAM but this team needs a RUSH LB who can really explode off the ball. 

Yeah I like Anderson better than his teammate, Tim Williams. I think he's faster off the ball, has better instincts, and plays the run better. I think Williams has more upside but I think Anderson has plenty of that, too. I really think he's just a better prospect 

I am most concerned about whether Barnett can consistently apply pressure on the QB because I don't see the explosion necessary to be an effective #1 OLB for a team. I like Barnett but I want to see him explode off the ball but he just times the snap well but that won't work as a pro. Harris has his issues but he explodes off the ball but his hips are a bit eh with his bend and Lawson explodes and has decent bend but he has an injury history as long as my arm. We don't need more guys who can't be available for games. 

I think my favorite OLB for us are Ryan Anderson and Derek Rivers, but I really do like TJ Watt but injuries and explosion issues are there, too. 

Not a chance Lawson is there in round 2. He isn't getting by Pittsburgh. He could go before Barnett. Barnett isn't as terrible a rusher as Upshaw but he has some Upshaw in him. Anderson is not as upsidy as Williams but he is a great all around player with good burst. Lawson could be tradeback option or trade back into round one and grab. If Foster is there at 16 Oz should grab him then trade up for Lawson. Ravens defense quite nasty again 

[RaineV1]

34 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been hearing a lot of Derek rivers hype. Haven't even watched him yet 

Rivers has a ton of good traits to like about him. His athletic ability is backed up by the fact that he plays with good intensity on every snap, and has a good work ethic. But he's very unpolished when it comes to moves beyond the initial burst and first couple hand strikes on the tackle that's trying to block him. Though a lot of that probably comes from that fact that he plays for a small school. if the coaches of a bigger school had been working with him for his college career he'd likely be a lot more polished, and be going in the same range as TJ Watt. You'll need to coach him up, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rivers ends up outplaying edge guys taken ahead of him after a year or two in the NFL.

Edited April 1 by RaineV1

[allblackraven]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah I like Anderson better than his teammate, Tim Williams. I think he's faster off the ball, has better instincts, and plays the run better. I think Williams has more upside but I think Anderson has plenty of that, too. I really think he's just a better prospect 

 

40 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Also totally agree with you bout Anderson.

As probably the biggest Anderson fan around, I think Williams is better pass rusher and if the Ravens want an immediate impact off the edge, they should take one of Williams/Harris/McKinley with their 1st round.

Overall, I'm repeating myself I know, Anderson is just a complete player - he does everything very well as a 34 OLB and his biggest asset is his football intelligence. He diagnoses offense really well and you'll almost never find him out of play. Maybe Ozzie can find a way of taking Anderson without spending 16th on him?

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Barnett does a lot of things really well but my issue with him is his explosiveness. I really wonder how effective he will be in the NFL as a pro because I see a guy who is just really good at timing the snap but when I saw him focusing on rushing the passer I felt like he was slow to get off if he couldn't time the snap well. I really see a guy who reminds me a lot of Upshaw here in Barnett in terms of explosion off the ball. Obviously he's not Upshaw at all just in that way he reminds me of him

Yeah the thing with Harris is his how well he does things besides his patented moves to rush the passer. I feel like he's a guy who could be mentally shutdown by a good LT who beats him early and takes him out of the rest of the game. And yeah Lawson would be in contention as the #2 OLB if he wasn't injured so much. I just worry about that guy because those injuries in college are a big red flag. Will these continue as a pro?  And your opinion on Barnett is very similar to mine. I think he'd be a good SAM but this team needs a RUSH LB who can really explode off the ball. 

Yeah I like Anderson better than his teammate, Tim Williams. I think he's faster off the ball, has better instincts, and plays the run better. I think Williams has more upside but I think Anderson has plenty of that, too. I really think he's just a better prospect 

I am most concerned about whether Barnett can consistently apply pressure on the QB because I don't see the explosion necessary to be an effective #1 OLB for a team. I like Barnett but I want to see him explode off the ball but he just times the snap well but that won't work as a pro. Harris has his issues but he explodes off the ball but his hips are a bit eh with his bend and Lawson explodes and has decent bend but he has an injury history as long as my arm. We don't need more guys who can't be available for games. 

I think my favorite OLB for us are Ryan Anderson and Derek Rivers, but I really do like TJ Watt but injuries and explosion issues are there, too. 

I personally have no fears or doubts about derek barnetts floor in the NFL - I really think he's a safe prospect because the things he does well will translate directly to the NFL - I understand the explosion worry but not every great player is an athletic phenomenon and it's not like Barnett is an unfit slouch - his burst just isn't as fast Harris, Williams, mckinley etc.

And yet he manages to beat tackles with speed around the corner which either suggests he plays faster than he appears, is able to use his athleticism more effectively than others or the tackles were running in treacle - I don't see the same first step vs snap timing thing on tape - he just looks quick off the mark and agile enough to threaten tackles with his great balance around the edge

Harris is a guy who really disappoints me on tape a lot in his pass rushing because he relies so much on his athleticism - I worry much more about his skillset translating to the NFL because he only has 1 rush move which is an average spin at best, will face much more athletic tackles in the NFL and certainly isn't intuitive or instinctive in his ability to create pressure which again means he might struggle - and given his struggles against the run in terms of attitude etc. I'm not so sure he'll be able to get coached out of his bad habits etc.

carl Lawson is a great prospect when healthy and he did make it through the whole of this most recent season mostly unscathed which is a good first step - I don't think it's a guarantee that Lawson is gone in the 1st because I think taco charlton, takk McKinley and Tim Williams (if he falls) are also attractive options likely to be available then as well

Don't get me wrong, I really like Ryan Anderson, but Tim Williams is a different beast in terms of pass rush ability - he has a good burst, a good bend, good instincts, some vicious rush moves and a good ability to finish 

I have my top edge prospects ranked in this order: Garrett, Barnett, Williams, watt, Lawson, charlton, McKinley, Harris, Anderson

[PurpleHorseman]

24 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

 

As probably the biggest Anderson fan around, I think Williams is better pass rusher and if the Ravens want an immediate impact off the edge, they should take one of Williams/Harris/McKinley with their 1st round.

Overall, I'm repeating myself I know, Anderson is just a complete player - he does everything very well as a 34 OLB and his biggest asset is his football intelligence. He diagnoses offense really well and you'll almost never find him out of play. Maybe Ozzie can find a way of taking Anderson without spending 16th on him?

Anderson could very well be available in round2. If the draft takes that road. To go defensively. Then draft a Foster or Williams then trade up for Lawson/McDowell to add 2 front 7 monsters. If Howard is available ravens could go offensive route and add Howard and one of JuJu, Stewart, Westbrook in round2. And have a new tandem of playmakers. There is always offense and defense route

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

Rivers has a ton of good traits to like about him. His athletic ability is backed up by the fact that he plays with good intensity on every snap, and has a good work ethic. But he's very unpolished when it comes to moves beyond the initial burst and first couple hand strikes on the tackle that's trying to block him. Though a lot of that probably comes from that fact that he plays for a small school. if the coaches of a bigger school had been working with him for his college career he'd likely be a lot more polished, and be going in the same range as TJ Watt. You'll need to coach him up, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rivers ends up outplaying edge guys taken ahead of him after a year or two in the NFL.

So is he more of a Harris/takk guy meaning he's not only unpolished but also stiff? Or is he more of a Tim williams who shows good iq and instincts and bend?

[RaineV1]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So is he more of a Harris/takk guy meaning he's not only unpolished but also stiff? Or is he more of a Tim williams who shows good iq and instincts and bend?

I'd say he's closer to Williams than to Takk. Not quite on the level as someone like Barnett, but he isn't lacking in the bend department. And he has good instincts against the pass. Though he'll need to be taught proper gap assignment when it comes to run defending. This article was a good look at him: http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/22/bills-2017-nfl-draft-targets-youngstown-state-de-derek-rivers-scouting-report/

Edited April 2 by RaineV1

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Anderson could very well be available in round2. If the draft takes that road. To go defensively. Then draft a Foster or Williams then trade up for Lawson/McDowell to add 2 front 7 monsters. If Howard is available ravens could go offensive route and add Howard and one of JuJu, Stewart, Westbrook in round2. And have a new tandem of playmakers. There is always offense and defense route

Anderson should be in round 2 but I seriously doubt he can be had if we stay put. Ideally, we take top guy at any position with #16 and then move up to high 2nd to grab Anderson.

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So is he more of a Harris/takk guy meaning he's not only unpolished but also stiff? Or is he more of a Tim williams who shows good iq and instincts and bend?

Lesser competition but....you can see his strength and speed off the edge in northern iowa film. Straight up bullies the RT multiple times with strength then blows right by him and takes qb off his feat.

Clearly has ball get off. Not enthused by him against the run in this game.

Apparently was exceptional at combine.

[Edgar]

20 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Anderson should be in round 2 but I seriously doubt he can be had if we stay put. Ideally, we take top guy at any position with #16 and then move up to high 2nd to grab Anderson.

There is a decent shot he's there for us without making a move.

I have us taking Reddick in 1 followed with Anderson in 2.

[Edgar]

Rivers vs. West Virginia : 

The tape is strange in that in the three instances where he generates pressure, the footage sort of begins post snap making it difficult to see exactly how he got there....could be just me.

Against the run he is essentially mitigated by WVU rt. Four or five times he gets moved and they run right at him. Other times he fails to set edge and run goes outside him.

Based on the two games from 2016...I'd say he looks developmental. I like college Judon a lot more.

Heard Kiper say he thinks someone will take him in the second so what do I know.

[ravensnation5220]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

Rivers vs. West Virginia : 

The tape is strange in that in the three instances where he generates pressure, the footage sort of begins post snap making it difficult to see exactly how he got there....could be just me.

Against the run he is essentially mitigated by WVU rt. Four or five times he gets moved and they run right at him. Other times he fails to set edge and run goes outside him.

Based on the two games from 2016...I'd say he looks developmental. I like college Judon a lot more.

Heard Kiper say he thinks someone will take him in the second so what do I know.

Well he's an fcs kid and Judon was a division 2 player so level of competition could be a factor. 

[BmoreBird22]

14 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've been hearing a lot of Derek rivers hype. Haven't even watched him yet 

This is Matt Miller's scouting in 140 characters or less...

Derek Rivers: Athlete. ++ Burst. Avg length/use. Great production. Can win with 1st step. Has hips to bend. Can go speed-to-power. Rd3