2017 edge rusher

[Boddiebroadus]

15 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

the more i think about it the less likely i think it is that we get a pass rusher in round 1 without a trade back unless barnett somehow falls - i dont think harris or watt will be the top guy on the board at 16 and i think its safe to say williams is dropping on everyone's board - i have a feeling this is gonna be the kind of year where eric de costa nails the pick a week before the draft

I'm 90 percent sure we're gonna go DB then edge. 

[Edgar]

Joe Mathis has limited tape but possesses a lot of the tools to be a good edge player. Good size for the position (olb), really strong physical hands, bends the edge, good at getting hands into guys first and getting rid of them to make the play.

Probably there when we select round two.

Edited January 28 by Edgar

[RaineV1]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

Joe Mathis has limited tape but possesses a lot of the tools to be a good edge player. Good size for the position (olb), really strong physical hands, bends the edge, good at getting hands into guys first and getting rid of them to make the play.

Probably there when we select round two.

He'll likely be a mid to late round pick. He had some big character issues in the past (not DV related). And while it sounds like he turned himself around, his only season with good character had him a season ending injury. That's a high risk for a 2nd round pick. I think the earliest he goes is in the fifth.

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

He'll likely be a mid to late round pick. He had some big character issues in the past (not DV related). And while it sounds like he turned himself around, his only season with good character had him a season ending injury. That's a high risk for a 2nd round pick. I think the earliest he goes is in the fifth.

i thought he was a 6th rounder at best and didnt even know this. im always really big on Washington defenders, for some reason im just partial to these guys, but i really didnt like him on tape. i just saw so little from him, i watched 2 games and i dont think he had one pass rushing snap that was even decent, he was far from a liability against the run from what i remember, but he wasnt standing out over anyone else really.

[JoeyFlex5]

just checked out 2 guys for the first time, haason reddick and jordan willis. 

reddick looks like a hell of a player, hes got the pass rusher skill set nailed down tight, its sad that hes probably weighing in at the combine even smaller than correa though, thats a real concern, but damn hes got a step and a hell of a bend, and he can move too, he eats up ground really fast, takes great angles, and sniffs out the lanes and plugs em up well. i would be tempted to take a chance on him with a 2nd round pick but that size is just a little too much for me to overlook after KC came out and looked really overmatched because of his size. although reddicks bend and overall technique are better, hes still a good 10 lbs lighter. 

jordan willis would be worth a 3rd for sure, hes 6'5" with good bend which isnt something you see from a lot of tall guys, he also gets off the line quick and he drags the tackle deep often, my biggest concern with him is that he doesnt finish the rush well, he wins the first half of the rush and then doesnt know what to do. ive seen him have easy chances for sacks and he fails to do the right thing, he had an easy underhook opportunity which would have been an easy sack and maybe strip but instead of underhooking he just shouldered into the OT really hard and got stonewalled, ive also seen a lot of times he drags the OT deep and has a great chance to cut inside but just keeps running downfield. hes got the tools but needs a lot of work, good news for him is hes got a NFL body and plays with a motor so i would think at the bare minimum he contributes as a guy who at least disrupts the pocket in a rotational role.

Edited January 28 by JoeyFlex5

[ravensnation5220]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

just checked out 2 guys for the first time, haason reddick and jordan willis. 

reddick looks like a hell of a player, hes got the pass rusher skill set nailed down tight, its sad that hes probably weighing in at the combine even smaller than correa though, thats a real concern, but damn hes got a step and a hell of a bend, and he can move too, he eats up ground really fast, takes great angles, and sniffs out the lanes and plugs em up well. i would be tempted to take a chance on him with a 2nd round pick but that size is just a little too much for me to overlook after KC came out and looked really overmatched because of his size. although reddicks bend and overall technique are better, hes still a good 10 lbs lighter. 

jordan willis would be worth a 3rd for sure, hes 6'5" with good bend which isnt something you see from a lot of tall guys, he also gets off the line quick and he drags the tackle deep often, my biggest concern with him is that he doesnt finish the rush well, he wins the first half of the rush and then doesnt know what to do. ive seen him have easy chances for sacks and he fails to do the right thing, he had an easy underhook opportunity which would have been an easy sack and maybe strip but instead of underhooking he just shouldered into the OT really hard and got stonewalled, ive also seen a lot of times he drags the OT deep and has a great chance to cut inside but just keeps running downfield. hes got the tools but needs a lot of work, good news for him is hes got a NFL body and plays with a motor so i would think at the bare minimum he contributes as a guy who at least disrupts the pocket in a rotational role.

Reddick came in at the senior bowl weighing 237 at 6'1. He's got good length to at 32 1/8 but what is more important is his hand size at 10 3/8, which allows him to get off blocks. Many people see him transitioning to a 3-4 inside backer spot because of his coverage skills. He's not a guy you want playing vs the run on the edge but I love his versatility he could bring. He would make our defense so much faster with him and Mosley flying all around the feild. I don't think his weight is that big of an issue for his playing style. He would be an amazing special teamer on top of that. Im a huge fan of his versatility as you can see. I see KC as more of an outside backer than inside so we could always use a guy who can play multiple positions 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Reddick came in at the senior bowl weighing 237 at 6'1. He's got good length to at 32 1/8 but what is more important is his hand size at 10 3/8, which allows him to get off blocks. Many people see him transitioning to a 3-4 inside backer spot because of his coverage skills. He's not a guy you want playing vs the run on the edge but I love his versatility he could bring. He would make our defense so much faster with him and Mosley flying all around the feild. I don't think his weight is that big of an issue for his playing style. He would be an amazing special teamer on top of that. Im a huge fan of his versatility as you can see. I see KC as more of an outside backer than inside so we could always use a guy who can play multiple positions 

I thought the same about kc but apparently the ravens are ready to move him inside full time according to some report someone posted here. I think he, Mosley, and kc would make for a lethal 43 package but I don't see room for him as a starter since we're a base 34. I have faith in correa taking the next step at ILB

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I thought the same about kc but apparently the ravens are ready to move him inside full time according to some report someone posted here. I think he, Mosley, and kc would make for a lethal 43 package but I don't see room for him as a starter since we're a base 34. I have faith in correa taking the next step at ILB

I won't believe it unless the ravens go out and say so themselves. He has more traits at OLD but if that's the case then I guess we pass on reddick. Which would be a shame because he's a great talent.

Obi melifonwu would be awesome however. You'd think he's a strong safety at 6-4 yet he has the range you want to play deep So he's really his an interchangeable safety which is what we look for in our scheme. We could use him as a matchup guy to for tight ends or big receivers 

[Edgar]

14 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

He'll likely be a mid to late round pick. He had some big character issues in the past (not DV related). And while it sounds like he turned himself around, his only season with good character had him a season ending injury. That's a high risk for a 2nd round pick. I think the earliest he goes is in the fifth.

Limited time and tape for sure but he's got a really good skill set and don't think he makes it past the top of round three.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I won't believe it unless the ravens go out and say so themselves. He has more traits at OLD but if that's the case then I guess we pass on reddick. Which would be a shame because he's a great talent.

Obi melifonwu would be awesome however. You'd think he's a strong safety at 6-4 yet he has the range you want to play deep So he's really his an interchangeable safety which is what we look for in our scheme. We could use him as a matchup guy to for tight ends or big receivers 

im pretty sure whoever shared the link/report shared it from a legitimate ravens source. it wouldnt surprise me, i would think they need the edge rush so badly that theyre willing to give him time to develop there, but they could also see better edge rushers in this draft and not wanna have to take an ILB and feel good about KC there, or maybe they just have zero faith in him as an edge rusher, that wouldnt surprise me considering how horrible he looked on the edge this year. 

and yeah i wouldnt mind obi one bit, problem is i dont think hes a good enough value at any point for us without a hefty trade back in the second, granted ive only watched a little bit of tape on him and liked what ive seen, but im not calling a value at 48 yet.

[JoeyFlex5]

ive been watching tanoh kpassagnon and i really like what im seeing. i think this guy has the potential to totally turn around a teams struggling pass rush and he could be a real gamewrecker. he is a massive man at 6'7" 290+ and he comes off the line with so much violence and explosion and he stays lower than a 6'7" DL usually does. i love how he comes out of his 4 point stance, he throws his arms to generate momentum on his first step and it works, and if he engages a blocker the same way hes gonna knock him off his balance. he is on tape bullrushing 2 blockers, pushing them deep into the pocket, and then successfully disengaging and closing in on the qb. i would be drooling over the thought of our 3-4 pass rush unit looking like:

                                                                      Mosley    Correa

                                                         suggs - TK    -    jernigan - BK  -  doom 

judon can sub either OLB, urban can sub one of the DEs, and i think BK and TK would both be able to rush from the OLB spot if we wanted to bring in a bullrush package and swap doom for judon and slide urban into one of those spots. 

or a 43 under package like: 

                  Correa               Mosley  

                                                                                  Doom

TK(wide 9 bullrush)   -   Jernigan   -   BK   -   Judon 

i think kpassagnon could do a lot for us, he looks like a game wrecker and he looks versatile, he has all that size and raw power but still has great burst and bend. hes growing on me a lot

[ravensnation5220]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ive been watching tanoh kpassagnon and i really like what im seeing. i think this guy has the potential to totally turn around a teams struggling pass rush and he could be a real gamewrecker. he is a massive man at 6'7" 290+ and he comes off the line with so much violence and explosion and he stays lower than a 6'7" DL usually does. i love how he comes out of his 4 point stance, he throws his arms to generate momentum on his first step and it works, and if he engages a blocker the same way hes gonna knock him off his balance. he is on tape bullrushing 2 blockers, pushing them deep into the pocket, and then successfully disengaging and closing in on the qb. i would be drooling over the thought of our 3-4 pass rush unit looking like:

                                                                      Mosley    Correa

                                                         suggs - TK    -    jernigan - BK  -  doom 

judon can sub either OLB, urban can sub one of the DEs, and i think BK and TK would both be able to rush from the OLB spot if we wanted to bring in a bullrush package and swap doom for judon and slide urban into one of those spots. 

or a 43 under package like: 

                  Correa               Mosley  

                                                                                  Doom

TK(wide 9 bullrush)   -   Jernigan   -   BK   -   Judon 

i think kpassagnon could do a lot for us, he looks like a game wrecker and he looks versatile, he has all that size and raw power but still has great burst and bend. hes growing on me a lot

Hes also a really smart kid. He's a double major in accounting or finance or something like that. He's prepared to have a long NFL career

[Jacquouille]

Is there a chance Carl Lawson is there in the second?

[ravensnation5220]

48 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Is there a chance Carl Lawson is there in the second?

With his injury history id assume so

[Jacquouille]

20 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

With his injury history id assume so

I think so too, and I'd be ready to pull the trigger in the second. Upside is so huge.

[RaineV1]

27 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I think so too, and I'd be ready to pull the trigger in the second. Upside is so huge.

I agree, depending on who else is there. Lawson has a ton of talent is would probably out play a lot of people taken ahead of him, as long as he stays healthy. But, given the Ravens' recent history with injuries, that's a big if.

[Italian Raven]

21 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I think so too, and I'd be ready to pull the trigger in the second. Upside is so huge.

I wish for us he would but there's no way he falls that far. He finally had one healthy season and proved he's a special talent. 

Look at the first play in the 2nd qr against Ole Miss. Good angle, perfect technique to get rid of two blockers and great acceleration to hit the QB on the rollout. Those things in what? 2 seconds? He has a tremendous natural leverage and elite traits. If teams let him slide all the way to the second they're making a mistake. He's the OLBs' Dominique Easley without off field issues.

 

Edit: i wrote Georgia instead of Ole Miss.. I watched one tape right after the other and messed up.

Edited January 30 by Italian Raven

[Jacquouille]

Just now, RaineV1 said:

I agree, depending on who else is there. Lawson has a ton of talent is would probably out play a lot of people taken ahead of him, as long as he stays healthy. But, given the Ravens' recent history with injuries, that's a big if.

I don't really think you can take injury as a big factor. It's all luck really: Mosley had a decent amount of nagging injuries when he declared and has missed 4 games in 3 years now, while Perriman didn't have any and now has two knee injuries in two seasons. All I'm saying is the injury risk is there for any player.

[RavensDieHard21]

Is Tim Williams considered a second rounder yet? It feels like it but some mocks have him going in the 20s.

I know combine could switch that up too. 

I am 100% on getting Lawson in the second if he is there. That would give up a lot of reassurance on getting a talented edge guy despite whoever we take at 16

[RaineV1]

2 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Is Tim Williams considered a second rounder yet? It feels like it but some mocks have him going in the 20s.

I know combine could switch that up too. 

I am 100% on getting Lawson in the second if he is there. That would give up a lot of reassurance on getting a talented edge guy despite whoever we take at 16

I think some team late in the first will take the risk on him if he does well at the combine. Plenty of playoff teams that need a good, young edge rusher. I actually think the Pats might take him if he's there when its their turn to pick.

[rmw10]

54 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Is Tim Williams considered a second rounder yet? It feels like it but some mocks have him going in the 20s.

I know combine could switch that up too. 

I am 100% on getting Lawson in the second if he is there. That would give up a lot of reassurance on getting a talented edge guy despite whoever we take at 16

You won't really know until the actual draft arrives.  There's no question he's a first round talent, but the off the field stuff is completely up in the air at this point.

[RavensDieHard21]

I have watched a lot of tape on all of the top edge guys and I'd definitely say I prefer the speed rushers, as opposed to the slower, stronger edge guys. 

As much as I like Barnett, I'd prefer getting a top CB or trading back to get someone else. He is smart, stout against the run and technically sound, but at times he just looks so lethargic. He manages to finish the job, but o don't think his skill set will be as productive at the next level. The same goes for Taco Charlton. I just think he will be a solid 4-3 end, but he isn't the speed guy we need. 

I was critical on Harris for a while, but on a lackluster team this year, he really shines and his get off is what NFL teams want. Speed kills and he knows how to use it with finesse moves. His spin and rip moves are impressive and when it is third and long, that is a guy I want to unleash. 

I was also highly critical of Williams v Clemson as he had a bad game, but Clemson was special and a highly balanced offense. Tim is a guy that has elite burst as well and he finishes. Blockers don't often manage to get a last second shove on him to throw him off course. He has balance and when he is able to pin his ears back and rush, he is very hard to contain. 

[Drew P]

5 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I think some team late in the first will take the risk on him if he does well at the combine. Plenty of playoff teams that need a good, young edge rusher. I actually think the Pats might take him if he's there when its their turn to pick.

Mcaffrey is a Patsies pick all the way

[January J]

21 hours ago, Drew P said:

Mcaffrey is a Patsies pick all the way

Yep, for sure.

[JoeyFlex5]

Charles Harris does really well as a standup rusher. Against vandy he had 4 standup rush snaps that I recall, he got a sack on one, got a hand on the qbs throwing arm on one, got a hand on the qb on another, and the other one he was deep in the pocket. 

I nevernoticed that and always thought he had played pure DE

[raven94]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Charles Harris does really well as a standup rusher. Against vandy he had 4 standup rush snaps that I recall, he got a sack on one, got a hand on the qbs throwing arm on one, got a hand on the qb on another, and the other one he was deep in the pocket. 

I nevernoticed that and always thought he had played pure DE

Yeah, Harris does stand up on occasion and as far as pass rushing goes he's excellent either stand up or hand in dirt. I just can't get over how bad his rush defense is. People on here like to criticize Tim Williams for poor run defense (which I actually think he has solid run defense in him, just watch against LSU) Charles Harris has some POOR run defense. At least in any of the 2016 game film I've watched of him (which is every game except for him vs kentucky). Which is why I got confused when people on here started to heat up on Harris? Please show me good run defense film of Harris and I'll change my mind.  

[Italian Raven]

37 minutes ago, raven94 said:

Yeah, Harris does stand up on occasion and as far as pass rushing goes he's excellent either stand up or hand in dirt. I just can't get over how bad his rush defense is. People on here like to criticize Tim Williams for poor run defense (which I actually think he has solid run defense in him, just watch against LSU) Charles Harris has some POOR run defense. At least in any of the 2016 game film I've watched of him (which is every game except for him vs kentucky). Which is why I got confused when people on here started to heat up on Harris? Please show me good run defense film of Harris and I'll change my mind.  

I hear you man. I've been saying the same thing for months now.  

His technique and discipline as a run defender perfectly represent the essence of the number 0. 

[Davesta]

If we go cb 1st round, I'm willing to take a chance on carl Lawson with our second. But would Ozzie..

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, raven94 said:

Yeah, Harris does stand up on occasion and as far as pass rushing goes he's excellent either stand up or hand in dirt. I just can't get over how bad his rush defense is. People on here like to criticize Tim Williams for poor run defense (which I actually think he has solid run defense in him, just watch against LSU) Charles Harris has some POOR run defense. At least in any of the 2016 game film I've watched of him (which is every game except for him vs kentucky). Which is why I got confused when people on here started to heat up on Harris? Please show me good run defense film of Harris and I'll change my mind.  

Harris is a bad run defender I won't argue it, his decision making is horrible in that regard. But then again we have enough run stoppers 

[raven94]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Harris is a bad run defender I won't argue it, his decision making is horrible in that regard. But then again we have enough run stoppers 

That is an excellent point, but with our first round pick I think you need to try and acquire a complete player. I don't think I would take Harris just for his pass rush in the 1st round. 2nd? That would definitely be hard to pass on, and I do believe Harris' deficiencies can be coached out of him